[LA.pm] Anyone with a teaching bug?

[pete]

Which is really all I said in the first place.  It's a neat idea.

Why the discussion had to deteriorate to degrading comments I attribute to
unrestrained passion we all share for Perl.
Passion is great.
So is restraint.

Pete.

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Juan Jose Natera <naterajj at gmail.com>wrote:

> I believe everyone can agree that the idea of doing some introductory
> Perl training is a good thing, but it needs to be good.
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Todd Cranston-Cuebas
> <geekhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andy,
> > LOL I'm sorry, I just had to crack up. I haven't heard the word "suckage"
> in
> > a long time ;)
> > That being said, I can understand both sides of the argument. The perl
> > community has to be aware of a certain "reputation" and it doesn't help
> if
> > coders are using bad form, etc. On the other hand, I've argued for a good
> > long time that the perl community has a serious need to develop new
> talent
> > in just about any manner possible. Sometimes you need to just "hook"
> someone
> > on a simple example that helps them do something truly useful. From that
> > point on, they can grab onto books, additional training, etc. Simple,
> good
> > training doesn't necessarily have to be free though so I'm not going to
> get
> > into the argument of paid vs. free stuff.
> > I know that the php community in LA has been running extensive and truly
> > beginner classes on PHP and mySQL and graduate to more complex classes...
> > all for free. Ruby has extensive online courseware, learning videos, etc.
> > and clearly has an aim toward indoctrinating the masses. I can still
> > remember when perl was "the" choice for doing anything on the web and
> people
> > learned it to do mostly cgi work. From there, it grew, BUT the average
> > person was pulled to perl because it was the choice for the early web
> coder.
> > The argument could be made that something similar occurred to sysadmins
> > ,etc. when perl was the defacto language for scripting. The world is
> > changing though. PHP, Ruby, and even Groovy are available for simple web
> > stuff. Sysadmins are relying more and more on python. In general, I
> applaud
> > any attempt to make perl accessible again.
> > Just my two cents. Suckage... that's just great ;)
> > todd
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Ben Tilly wrote:
> >>
> >>> You say that like it is always bad to point out suckage.
> >>
> >>
> >> At the expense of enthusiasm, with nothing positive on the flip side,
> yes
> >> I do think it's always bad to "point out" suckage, which usually takes
> the
> >> form of rude comments that pretend that the listener isn't actually a
> person
> >> with feelings.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> >>
> >>
> >>
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