<div dir="ltr">Which is really all I said in the first place. It's a neat idea.<br><br>Why the discussion had to deteriorate to degrading comments I attribute to unrestrained passion we all share for Perl.<br>Passion is great.<br>
So is restraint.<br><br>Pete.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Juan Jose Natera <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:naterajj@gmail.com">naterajj@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I believe everyone can agree that the idea of doing some introductory<br>
Perl training is a good thing, but it needs to be good.<br>
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Todd Cranston-Cuebas<br>
<<a href="mailto:geekhunter@gmail.com">geekhunter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Andy,<br>
> LOL I'm sorry, I just had to crack up. I haven't heard the word "suckage" in<br>
> a long time ;)<br>
> That being said, I can understand both sides of the argument. The perl<br>
> community has to be aware of a certain "reputation" and it doesn't help if<br>
> coders are using bad form, etc. On the other hand, I've argued for a good<br>
> long time that the perl community has a serious need to develop new talent<br>
> in just about any manner possible. Sometimes you need to just "hook" someone<br>
> on a simple example that helps them do something truly useful. From that<br>
> point on, they can grab onto books, additional training, etc. Simple, good<br>
> training doesn't necessarily have to be free though so I'm not going to get<br>
> into the argument of paid vs. free stuff.<br>
> I know that the php community in LA has been running extensive and truly<br>
> beginner classes on PHP and mySQL and graduate to more complex classes...<br>
> all for free. Ruby has extensive online courseware, learning videos, etc.<br>
> and clearly has an aim toward indoctrinating the masses. I can still<br>
> remember when perl was "the" choice for doing anything on the web and people<br>
> learned it to do mostly cgi work. From there, it grew, BUT the average<br>
> person was pulled to perl because it was the choice for the early web coder.<br>
> The argument could be made that something similar occurred to sysadmins<br>
> ,etc. when perl was the defacto language for scripting. The world is<br>
> changing though. PHP, Ruby, and even Groovy are available for simple web<br>
> stuff. Sysadmins are relying more and more on python. In general, I applaud<br>
> any attempt to make perl accessible again.<br>
> Just my two cents. Suckage... that's just great ;)<br>
> todd<br>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Andy Lester <<a href="mailto:andy@petdance.com">andy@petdance.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Ben Tilly wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> You say that like it is always bad to point out suckage.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> At the expense of enthusiasm, with nothing positive on the flip side, yes<br>
>> I do think it's always bad to "point out" suckage, which usually takes the<br>
>> form of rude comments that pretend that the listener isn't actually a person<br>
>> with feelings.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
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