[LA.pm] Anyone with a teaching bug?

[Juan Jose Natera]

I believe everyone can agree that the idea of doing some introductory
Perl training is a good thing, but it needs to be good.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Todd Cranston-Cuebas
<geekhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy,
> LOL I'm sorry, I just had to crack up. I haven't heard the word "suckage" in
> a long time ;)
> That being said, I can understand both sides of the argument. The perl
> community has to be aware of a certain "reputation" and it doesn't help if
> coders are using bad form, etc. On the other hand, I've argued for a good
> long time that the perl community has a serious need to develop new talent
> in just about any manner possible. Sometimes you need to just "hook" someone
> on a simple example that helps them do something truly useful. From that
> point on, they can grab onto books, additional training, etc. Simple, good
> training doesn't necessarily have to be free though so I'm not going to get
> into the argument of paid vs. free stuff.
> I know that the php community in LA has been running extensive and truly
> beginner classes on PHP and mySQL and graduate to more complex classes...
> all for free. Ruby has extensive online courseware, learning videos, etc.
> and clearly has an aim toward indoctrinating the masses. I can still
> remember when perl was "the" choice for doing anything on the web and people
> learned it to do mostly cgi work. From there, it grew, BUT the average
> person was pulled to perl because it was the choice for the early web coder.
> The argument could be made that something similar occurred to sysadmins
> ,etc. when perl was the defacto language for scripting. The world is
> changing though. PHP, Ruby, and even Groovy are available for simple web
> stuff. Sysadmins are relying more and more on python. In general, I applaud
> any attempt to make perl accessible again.
> Just my two cents. Suckage... that's just great ;)
> todd
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Ben Tilly wrote:
>>
>>> You say that like it is always bad to point out suckage.
>>
>>
>> At the expense of enthusiasm, with nothing positive on the flip side, yes
>> I do think it's always bad to "point out" suckage, which usually takes the
>> form of rude comments that pretend that the listener isn't actually a person
>> with feelings.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>>
>>
>>
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