[niederrhein.pm] Wohin soll's denn nun gehen?

[Torsten Raudssus]

As said: We should establish something outside, and still should support
Cologne.pm to make their meeting in Cologne, and we just come over all the
time. Or we make it in 2 months shedule rotating, I just think that people
outside of cologne cant reach cologne easy, Mönchengladbach is an
exception. Else ist a horrible way _OVER_ Düsseldorf always :).

I dont see anything from my side BLOCKING having a perl meeting in cologne,
i just would love to push it out to the cologne.pm guys ;)


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Jens Rehsack <rehsack at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 03.06.13 15:32, Torsten Raudssus wrote:
>
>> If we dont establish a base outside of cologne then noone will ever
>> come. Cologne is hard to reach, and all people outside of cologne avoid
>> cologne.
>>
>
> But only for you. The most new people joined us while we were in Cologne
> at Railslove.
>
>  That is my opinion.
>>
>
> Yes - and all I could say from last two weeks negotiating was that
> your opinion was more important than increasing new attendees :/
>
> Well - I give it a shot and we'll see how it works.
>
>  So if there is something in Cologne, then
>> let it be Cologne.pm (and we can do it AS cologne.pm <http://cologne.pm>
>>
>> who cares?) and still let it open to have a meeting more north.
>>
>
>  And beside: I _HATE_ Cologne :( but ok, now i have a driver so i dont
>> care much where it goes ;)
>>
>
> I guess that's the really reason - you simply hate open minded people :P
> And to be true: you're single personal animosities shouldn't boycott
> an entire group, should it?
>
>  On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+nrpm at rabbit.us
>> <mailto:rabbit+nrpm at rabbit.us>**> wrote:
>>
>>     On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:39:44PM +0200, Torsten Raudssus wrote:
>>      > Grundsätzlich sind alle Ziele ausserhalb von Köln zu bevorzugen
>>     aufgrund
>>      > der Überschneidung mit Cologne.pm
>>
>>     Getty - this is ridiculous. Nobody cares - we are Perl Mongers who
>> want
>>     to get together. We want to do it preferably regularly, and
>> preferrably
>>     in a place and time which is convenient for the highest amount of
>>     people. The more the merrier. And the more often the merrier btw -
>>     Chicago.pm meets twice a month - for a presentation night, and for a
>>     hack night.
>>
>>     All we are trying to "sell" is good time and good company. I guarantee
>>     you that nobody really cares what we are called - heck noboy minds
>>     meeting in a place called Rails*LOVE*. In short - "branding" is not
>> only
>>     irrelevant here - it is actively harmful.
>>
>>      > > jetzt haben wir einiges an Alternativen bekommen:
>>      > >
>>      > > * GarageBilk - Bilker Allee 217, 40215 Duesseldorf
>>      > >   + 30€ pro Abend, WLAN etc. vorhanden und nutzbar
>>      > >   + 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist frei
>>      > >
>>      > > * Solution Space - Brüsseler Platz 26, 50674 Köln
>>      > >   + 30€ pro Stunde (also ca. 150€ pro Abend),
>>      > >     WLAN etc. vorhanden und nutzbar
>>      > >   + 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist frei
>>      > >
>>      > > * Railslove - An der Bottmühle 5, 50678 Cologne
>>      > >   + kostenlos, WLAN etc. verfügbar
>>      > >   - 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist belegt
>>      > >   - unzuverlässig
>>      > >
>>      > > * KOMED - MediaPark 7, 50670 Köln
>>      > >   - 200€/4h, WLAN vorhanden
>>      > >   - können nicht zwischen 20m^2 und 56m^2 unterscheiden
>>      > >
>>      > > * IBO Internet Software e.K. - Wehrstr. 6, 41199 Mönchengladbach
>>      > >   + kostenlos, WLAN etc. vorhanden
>>      > >   - schlecht mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln zu erreichen
>>      > >   - noch schlechter zu verlassen
>>      > >
>>
>>     My opinion on the options - I think we should prefer things based on
>>     their cost, and then by their location.
>>
>>     Yes, it isn't a whole lot of money when we split it up. On the other
>>     hand I rather spend the 10EUR on food and beer, rather than on
>>     facilities which we will not even use that much (all we really seek
>> is a
>>     quiet atmosphere, where Wendy can occasionally shout at Getty without
>>     reprecussions).
>>
>>     As a location Köln should pick #1 mainly because of its proximity to
>>     most *uninitiated* permongers. Yes, it is the most inconvenient option
>>     for both me and Dijkmat. But we are not who these meetings should be
>>     optimized for. We want new people: God luck convincing them there is
>>     this cool thing taking place in Mönchengladbach.
>>
>
> As said - let's give GarageBilk a chance. If it works fine there,
> we'll stay for a while. Maybe a second round two weeks later in a nice
> location in Cologne could extend our Düsseldorf meeting.
>
>      My 2c
>>
>>     Cheers
>>
>>
>>  Cheers
>
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