[niederrhein.pm] Wohin soll's denn nun gehen?

[Jens Rehsack]

On 03.06.13 15:32, Torsten Raudssus wrote:
> If we dont establish a base outside of cologne then noone will ever
> come. Cologne is hard to reach, and all people outside of cologne avoid
> cologne.

But only for you. The most new people joined us while we were in Cologne
at Railslove.

> That is my opinion.

Yes - and all I could say from last two weeks negotiating was that
your opinion was more important than increasing new attendees :/

Well - I give it a shot and we'll see how it works.

> So if there is something in Cologne, then
> let it be Cologne.pm (and we can do it AS cologne.pm <http://cologne.pm>
> who cares?) and still let it open to have a meeting more north.

> And beside: I _HATE_ Cologne :( but ok, now i have a driver so i dont
> care much where it goes ;)

I guess that's the really reason - you simply hate open minded people :P
And to be true: you're single personal animosities shouldn't boycott
an entire group, should it?

> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+nrpm at rabbit.us
> <mailto:rabbit+nrpm at rabbit.us>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:39:44PM +0200, Torsten Raudssus wrote:
>      > Grundsätzlich sind alle Ziele ausserhalb von Köln zu bevorzugen
>     aufgrund
>      > der Überschneidung mit Cologne.pm
>
>     Getty - this is ridiculous. Nobody cares - we are Perl Mongers who want
>     to get together. We want to do it preferably regularly, and preferrably
>     in a place and time which is convenient for the highest amount of
>     people. The more the merrier. And the more often the merrier btw -
>     Chicago.pm meets twice a month - for a presentation night, and for a
>     hack night.
>
>     All we are trying to "sell" is good time and good company. I guarantee
>     you that nobody really cares what we are called - heck noboy minds
>     meeting in a place called Rails*LOVE*. In short - "branding" is not only
>     irrelevant here - it is actively harmful.
>
>      > > jetzt haben wir einiges an Alternativen bekommen:
>      > >
>      > > * GarageBilk - Bilker Allee 217, 40215 Duesseldorf
>      > >   + 30€ pro Abend, WLAN etc. vorhanden und nutzbar
>      > >   + 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist frei
>      > >
>      > > * Solution Space - Brüsseler Platz 26, 50674 Köln
>      > >   + 30€ pro Stunde (also ca. 150€ pro Abend),
>      > >     WLAN etc. vorhanden und nutzbar
>      > >   + 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist frei
>      > >
>      > > * Railslove - An der Bottmühle 5, 50678 Cologne
>      > >   + kostenlos, WLAN etc. verfügbar
>      > >   - 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist belegt
>      > >   - unzuverlässig
>      > >
>      > > * KOMED - MediaPark 7, 50670 Köln
>      > >   - 200€/4h, WLAN vorhanden
>      > >   - können nicht zwischen 20m^2 und 56m^2 unterscheiden
>      > >
>      > > * IBO Internet Software e.K. - Wehrstr. 6, 41199 Mönchengladbach
>      > >   + kostenlos, WLAN etc. vorhanden
>      > >   - schlecht mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln zu erreichen
>      > >   - noch schlechter zu verlassen
>      > >
>
>     My opinion on the options - I think we should prefer things based on
>     their cost, and then by their location.
>
>     Yes, it isn't a whole lot of money when we split it up. On the other
>     hand I rather spend the 10EUR on food and beer, rather than on
>     facilities which we will not even use that much (all we really seek is a
>     quiet atmosphere, where Wendy can occasionally shout at Getty without
>     reprecussions).
>
>     As a location Köln should pick #1 mainly because of its proximity to
>     most *uninitiated* permongers. Yes, it is the most inconvenient option
>     for both me and Dijkmat. But we are not who these meetings should be
>     optimized for. We want new people: God luck convincing them there is
>     this cool thing taking place in Mönchengladbach.

As said - let's give GarageBilk a chance. If it works fine there,
we'll stay for a while. Maybe a second round two weeks later in a nice
location in Cologne could extend our Düsseldorf meeting.

>     My 2c
>
>     Cheers
>
>
Cheers