<div dir="ltr">As said: We should establish something outside, and still should support Cologne.pm to make their meeting in Cologne, and we just come over all the time. Or we make it in 2 months shedule rotating, I just think that people outside of cologne cant reach cologne easy, Mönchengladbach is an exception. Else ist a horrible way _OVER_ Düsseldorf always :).<div>
<br></div><div style>I dont see anything from my side BLOCKING having a perl meeting in cologne, i just would love to push it out to the <a href="http://cologne.pm">cologne.pm</a> guys ;)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Jens Rehsack <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rehsack@googlemail.com" target="_blank">rehsack@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On 03.06.13 15:32, Torsten Raudssus wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If we dont establish a base outside of cologne then noone will ever<br>
come. Cologne is hard to reach, and all people outside of cologne avoid<br>
cologne.<br>
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But only for you. The most new people joined us while we were in Cologne<br>
at Railslove.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
That is my opinion.<br>
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Yes - and all I could say from last two weeks negotiating was that<br>
your opinion was more important than increasing new attendees :/<br>
<br>
Well - I give it a shot and we'll see how it works.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
So if there is something in Cologne, then<br></div>
let it be Cologne.pm (and we can do it AS <a href="http://cologne.pm" target="_blank">cologne.pm</a> <<a href="http://cologne.pm" target="_blank">http://cologne.pm</a>><div class="im"><br>
who cares?) and still let it open to have a meeting more north.<br>
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And beside: I _HATE_ Cologne :( but ok, now i have a driver so i dont<br>
care much where it goes ;)<br>
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I guess that's the really reason - you simply hate open minded people :P<br>
And to be true: you're single personal animosities shouldn't boycott<br>
an entire group, should it?<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Peter Rabbitson <<a href="mailto:rabbit%2Bnrpm@rabbit.us" target="_blank">rabbit+nrpm@rabbit.us</a><br></div><div><div class="h5">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:rabbit%2Bnrpm@rabbit.us" target="_blank">rabbit+nrpm@rabbit.us</a>><u></u>> wrote:<br>
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:39:44PM +0200, Torsten Raudssus wrote:<br>
> Grundsätzlich sind alle Ziele ausserhalb von Köln zu bevorzugen<br>
aufgrund<br>
> der Überschneidung mit Cologne.pm<br>
<br>
Getty - this is ridiculous. Nobody cares - we are Perl Mongers who want<br>
to get together. We want to do it preferably regularly, and preferrably<br>
in a place and time which is convenient for the highest amount of<br>
people. The more the merrier. And the more often the merrier btw -<br>
Chicago.pm meets twice a month - for a presentation night, and for a<br>
hack night.<br>
<br>
All we are trying to "sell" is good time and good company. I guarantee<br>
you that nobody really cares what we are called - heck noboy minds<br>
meeting in a place called Rails*LOVE*. In short - "branding" is not only<br>
irrelevant here - it is actively harmful.<br>
<br>
> > jetzt haben wir einiges an Alternativen bekommen:<br>
> ><br>
> > * GarageBilk - Bilker Allee 217, 40215 Duesseldorf<br>
> > + 30€ pro Abend, WLAN etc. vorhanden und nutzbar<br>
> > + 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist frei<br>
> ><br>
> > * Solution Space - Brüsseler Platz 26, 50674 Köln<br>
> > + 30€ pro Stunde (also ca. 150€ pro Abend),<br>
> > WLAN etc. vorhanden und nutzbar<br>
> > + 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist frei<br>
> ><br>
> > * Railslove - An der Bottmühle 5, 50678 Cologne<br>
> > + kostenlos, WLAN etc. verfügbar<br>
> > - 2. Mittwoch im Monat ist belegt<br>
> > - unzuverlässig<br>
> ><br>
> > * KOMED - MediaPark 7, 50670 Köln<br>
> > - 200€/4h, WLAN vorhanden<br>
> > - können nicht zwischen 20m^2 und 56m^2 unterscheiden<br>
> ><br>
> > * IBO Internet Software e.K. - Wehrstr. 6, 41199 Mönchengladbach<br>
> > + kostenlos, WLAN etc. vorhanden<br>
> > - schlecht mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln zu erreichen<br>
> > - noch schlechter zu verlassen<br>
> ><br>
<br>
My opinion on the options - I think we should prefer things based on<br>
their cost, and then by their location.<br>
<br>
Yes, it isn't a whole lot of money when we split it up. On the other<br>
hand I rather spend the 10EUR on food and beer, rather than on<br>
facilities which we will not even use that much (all we really seek is a<br>
quiet atmosphere, where Wendy can occasionally shout at Getty without<br>
reprecussions).<br>
<br>
As a location Köln should pick #1 mainly because of its proximity to<br>
most *uninitiated* permongers. Yes, it is the most inconvenient option<br>
for both me and Dijkmat. But we are not who these meetings should be<br>
optimized for. We want new people: God luck convincing them there is<br>
this cool thing taking place in Mönchengladbach.<br>
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As said - let's give GarageBilk a chance. If it works fine there,<br>
we'll stay for a while. Maybe a second round two weeks later in a nice<br>
location in Cologne could extend our Düsseldorf meeting.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
My 2c<br>
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Cheers<br>
<br>
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Cheers<br>
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