[tpm] Why perl lost steam...

[Stuart Watt]

  Ok, I didn't know Grails *was* Groovy + Spring + Hibernate + Tomcat. 
Now I do, I'd say it's probably a good framework, but I'm not sure it's 
really any simpler than Catalyst. And that's saying something.

The quickest web apps I've ever developed used HTTP::Daemon. Seriously, 
can it get any simpler than:
http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/libwww-perl-5.837/lib/HTTP/Daemon.pm 
<http://search.cpan.org/%7Egaas/libwww-perl-5.837/lib/HTTP/Daemon.pm>. 
OK, so Dancer and Mojolicious both come close, but they also immediately 
impose stuff on you.

For learning, there is a lot to be said for this approach. A framework 
is just more stuff to learn, and while they are useful because they hide 
nasty web complexity, this makes it harder to see what's going on.

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On 9/21/2010 12:13 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 September 2010 15:47:39 Martin at Cleaver.org wrote:
>> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
>> should start.