[Phoenix-pm] job opening

[jnf]

Very much so- it's been quite the day for me and I almost commented on it
and fired off an angry email in response to other statements related to
the company, luckily pine crashed. (seriously)

Hi Bill. Look forward to working with you on Monday. I sware, im no where
as bad as they say I am.

Justin F.



On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Bill Nash wrote:

> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:31:23 -0700 (MST)
> From: Bill Nash <billn at billn.net>
> To: jnf <lists at innocence-lost.net>
> Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] job opening
>
>
> Innocence-lost, indeed. =) I gotta stop posting before my manager checks
> his mail and fires me.
>
> - billn
>
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, jnf wrote:
>
> > Hrm. I think as of next week, I work with you Bill.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Bill Nash wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:25:43 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: Bill Nash <billn at billn.net>
> > > To: Scott Walters <scott at illogics.org>
> > > Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] job opening
> > >
> > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Scott Walters wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey billn. Always good to see your text. I take it as a compliment that
> > > > you consider my banter worthy of a reply.
> > >
> > > You're in a great minority. Most people see me post and go 'dear god, what
> > > now?!' =)
> > >
> > > > But that's moot. My real complaint was something I'd rather hint at than say:
> > > > my jobs were banal. Of the dozens of "ecomm" websites I slaved away to
> > > > create under deadline, only one is still online. The other companies folded.
> > >
> > > But these aren't *your* fault, as much as they are the property of poor
> > > management of a product fielded by people obviously incapable of wielding
> > > the tools you provided. It's not just you, it happens in more than just
> > > the tech industry.
> > >
> > > > However, it all has a happy end: I work on things I consider interesting anyway,
> > > > and I consider a diet rich in ramen a small price to pay for the privilege.
> > >
> > > Again, this is as much the product of finding decent managers who can take
> > > what you provide and make things Suck Less(tm). I like the work I do, and
> > > while sometimes things Suck More(tm), it's always entertaining trying to
> > > push them in the other direction. I've been largely lucky, with only a
> > > few past exceptions, in finding managers with the technical ability
> > > to effectively manage technical workers.
> > >
> > > There will always be bad managers and crappy executives, and people in
> > > decision making roles who clearly don't belong there. This is a basic
> > > truth of any industry run by humans. Call it Tao, Zen, whatever, once you
> > > accept that it's as inevitable as death, the rest is simply routing around
> > > the fault.
> > >
> > > > It's nice to be able to boo the demons of the 8-5 job with my fellow
> > > > Perl Mongers. Re: Darwin, it's true I probably won't have any kids smelling
> > > > bad and not having money, so you're right. I can't argue with that.
> > >
> > > I can't say, "Don't let this defeat you," since I've been there. I've been
> > > the burnout victim, broken by bad management and bullshit political
> > > wrangling. While I can't offer a solution, I can say, it gets better. Even
> > > statistically, you can't stay down forever.
> > >
> > > - billn
> > >
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