[DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time

Dennis Daupert ddaupert at csc.com
Thu Nov 8 08:00:38 PST 2012

> I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it.

Sorry for the top-post -- Lotus Notes does what it does.

I have a different reaction to "Higher Order Perl." I got a lot out of it. 
I hadn't had any 
dealings with self-referencing subroutines previously, and had a problem 
to solve 
for work that Dominus's stuff solved fantastically. The code I ended up 
writing evolved 
into a tool used regularly by our team and has saved countless hours in 
our development work. 

Looking at what the market wants is certainly important on a career level. 
But I'd like to 
put in a plug for attending to what your interests are, what really turns 
you on. Doing so has
helped me keep my fires lit over the years. I don't always get to do what 
I want to do at
work every day, but since I've made it a practice to speak to what I like 
to do, many times
team members and various managers have found ways to use my Perl skills in 
where that might not have happened otherwise. Case in point. I got really, 
really interested
in Catalyst and DBIx::Class a couple years back, and started building 
hobby web sites 
on my personal linux machine on weekends. One day at work, the subject 
came up around
needing a place to collect the succession of documents and code packages 
our team
had been building. I piped up with the idea that a dedicated web site 
would be ideal. To my
surprise, the manager OKed that idea, and gave me the time and support to 
build the site
for in-house use, and the final product proved extremely useful. For me, 
hog heaven :-)


From:   kevin <kbrannen at pwhome.com>
To:     dfw-pm at pm.org
Date:   11/07/2012 11:00 PM
Subject:        Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time
Sent by:        "Dfw-pm" <dfw-pm-bounces+ddaupert=csc.com at pm.org>

On books...

I liked Conway's "Perl Best Practices". Even when I didn't totally agree 
with it, he says up front that if you think about the "why" and feel 
like you can defend your answer, then the book has worked (or something 
like that). It did make me think about how and why I work, so it was a 

I found Conway's "Object Oriented Perl" to be fantastic and well worth 
the price. Besides discussing multiple ways to do OO, he also has good 
advice on perl programming in general. In fact, Damian Conway is my 
favorite Perl author and he's a blast to listen to if you can catch him 
at a conference or a talk. (I hope we can get him to come back and give 
a talk to our group again.)

I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it. While 
there is some interesting stuff, there's not enough to make it 
worthwhile -- fortunately it was free I would have been very 
disappointed if I had bought it. To me, it was like he had an "Iterator 
hammer" and tried to solve most problems with them. While that works 
well on some problems, it felt like he was having to stretch too much to 
make that work on too many of the problems.

I've got "Modern Perl", but have yet to read it.

I'm presently working my way thru the O'Reilly Git book. :) I do 
recommend the Chacon "Pro Git" book, and it's free online.


On 11/07/2012 11:46 AM, Stuart Johnston wrote:
> Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job
> experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you are
> proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN 
> Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best
> Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order Perl".
> Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a good one
> too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".)
> Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer,
> Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst.
> Have fun!
> On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote:
>> Stuart and Group,
>> What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? 
>> can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info
>> into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages 
>> Ajax. What should I study next?
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