[yapc] Missing subcribers

[Uri Guttman]

On 05/25/2012 02:51 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
> It's fine.
>
>
> I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have discussed it
> with the organizers several times.
>
> It's the same sort of bickering and attitude that prevented people in the
> bad old days from picking up Perl, because that's the sort of help they
> were likely to get asking questions in lists.
>
> I have decided that this attitude makes the conference less useful for me.
> Where I had planned to attend (yes, for the first time), give two talks,
> sponsor a couple folks, etc., I have now decided to not attend at all.  If
> that's the intended point of these rants, well, they have hit their mark.

if basic bickering on a list stops you from coming to yapc (and you have 
two talks scheduled), you have a very thin skin. what is happening here 
isn't bickering, it is trying to reestablish a norm of 10+ years where 
attendees are subscribed to this list. it has obviously been for the 
detriment of this yapc as there has been almost no communication here 
but for the blog reposts and the few other threads. it is a real problem 
that matt and i (and many others have chimed in with their support) want 
to get fixed. notice how no one has said anything but support for this 
idea. if the yapc leader (jt) wants to have support for his choice he 
should have asked about it rather than unilaterally decided that 
autosubscribing is spamming. it isn't and we all (but him) agree with that.

so you can choose what you want to do but this thread is vital to yapc 
and our community. if we had all attendees subscribed we wouldn't be 
having this thread and you would still be attending yapc. think about 
that while you mull this over. also by not attending you are causing 
more trouble by requiring replacement talks and also from your getting 
to know and be known by others. i.e. be a part of the perl community. 
and yapc's usually don't have too much bickering as most are having fun. 
which is why i arranged the arrival dinner. and why i am upset that so 
few know about it due to the subscribe issue. this is causing less fun 
to be had in a real sense and not about some bickering (which isn't even 
bickering as we all support the idea of subscribing).

thanx,

uri