[tpm] Why perl lost steam...
Stuart Watt
stuart at morungos.com
Tue Sep 21 12:31:25 PDT 2010
I'll dig out the modules I had to force install tonight - my built
sheet is at home on a virtualized system. From what I remember, the real
pain was WWW::Mechanize, Test::WWW::Mechanize, and
Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst -- all of which fail to install properly
under Windows. I force installed these, and most of the rest installed
clean. The problem appeared to be using fork to create two processes
with a non-blocking connection to test the test modules. OpenSSL could
also be an issue if you use it.
If things fail let me know - I use the same toolchain as Strawberry, and
manually install a lot of stuff when needed. That is the problem with
Strawberry - several key CPAN modules have tests that break on Windows
even when the module is fine.
--S
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On 9/21/2010 3:13 PM, J Z Tam wrote:
> Thanks Dave.
> I'll hunt for other people's success stories on Fedora then.
>
> Do any listers have a know working build sheet for Catalyst on Windoze
> server, using either Strawberry or another perl distro? I had an
> impasse 4 months ago using my XP Pro desktop: ActiveState5.8.8 trying
> to get Catalyst to install... at all. ;-(
> TIA
> /jordan
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle /<dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
> To: "J Z Tam" <jztam at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org>, "Toronto Perl
> Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
> Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:06 PM
>
> Hey Jordan,
>
> Actually, I have no actual experience with Strawberry Perl or
> Catalyst on windows.
>
> I have setup a CGI::App system using ActiveState Perl and Apache2
> on windows back in the day. My knowledge is severely outdated
> now. My suggestion of Strawberry was purely from reading.
>
> From what I understand, Strawberry Perl is superior to ActiveState
> in that it has the full stack of tools needed to compile modules
> (as opposed to precompiled PPM packages, of which ActiveState
> maintains and incomplete archive of CPAN). If I recall,
> ActiveState wasn't able to package some things because of
> licensing (Crypt::SSLeay I think). I've not played with it though.
> I've only ever deployed Catalyst on Linux/Solaris but we're using
> the latest and greatest 5.8.x series to get the Moosey goodness.
> I'm afraid you'd have to experiment. I've no idea how to get
> Strawberry Perl to play nice with IIS if that's your server (we
> used the ISAPI plugin to IIS from Activestate) so you may want to
> try Apache2. I don't know what other alternatives you have at the
> moment.
>
> D
>
>
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com </mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM, J Z Tam <jztam at yahoo.com
> </mc/compose?to=jztam at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> IIRC, you had mentioned that on WindoZe server OS, it would
> be easier/doable to set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl.
> If so, which versions of each are working for you?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jordan
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle /<dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
> To: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org
> </mc/compose?to=Martin at cleaver.org>>
> Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org
> </mc/compose?to=tpm at to.pm.org>>
> Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
>
> While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye,
> I don't buy the hype. CPAN is growing faster and faster
> (it's a curve). This year's YAPC had about 70% of folk
> going to their first or second YAPC. The ecosystem itself
> is doing just fine.
>
> That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they
> ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter). But
> there are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as
> far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done.
> I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to
> get started in webdev in Perl.
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> <http://mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle@gmail.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org
> <Martin at cleaver.org
> <http://mc/compose?to=Martin@cleaver.org>> wrote:
>
> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on
> Grails is where beginners should start.
>
> Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework,
> Groovy is Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting
> language with closures and implicit parallel
> programming support. Together they give you scripting
> access to all the J2EE components developed over the
> past decade while hiding the crappy verboseness of XML
> and Java.
>
> Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I
> wouldn't start a new Web App in one.
>
>
> M.
> --
> Martin at Cleaver.org
> http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
> +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net
> <http://mc/compose?to=arocker@vex.net>> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson
> <bills at ezinvoice.com
> <http://mc/compose?to=bills@ezinvoice.com>>
> > wrote:
>
> >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps"
> are really coming into
> >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be
> the place that
> >> "Beginners" would start looking.
> >>
>
> But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe
> now; it's all smartphones.
>
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