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I'll dig out the modules I had to force install tonight - my built
sheet is at home on a virtualized system. From what I remember, the
real pain was WWW::Mechanize, Test::WWW::Mechanize, and
Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst -- all of which fail to install
properly under Windows. I force installed these, and most of the
rest installed clean. The problem appeared to be using fork to
create two processes with a non-blocking connection to test the test
modules. OpenSSL could also be an issue if you use it. <br>
<br>
If things fail let me know - I use the same toolchain as Strawberry,
and manually install a lot of stuff when needed. That is the problem
with Strawberry - several key CPAN modules have tests that break on
Windows even when the module is fine. <br>
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On 9/21/2010 3:13 PM, J Z Tam wrote:
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">Thanks Dave.<br>
I'll hunt for other people's success stories on Fedora
then.<br>
<br>
Do any listers have a know working build sheet for
Catalyst on Windoze server, using either Strawberry or
another perl distro? I had an impasse 4 months ago using
my XP Pro desktop: ActiveState5.8.8 trying to get
Catalyst to install... at all. ;-(<br>
TIA<br>
/jordan <br>
<br>
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From: Dave Doyle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave.s.doyle@gmail.com"><dave.s.doyle@gmail.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...<br>
To: "J Z Tam" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jztam@yahoo.com"><jztam@yahoo.com></a><br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org">"Martin@Cleaver.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Martin@cleaver.org"><Martin@cleaver.org></a>,
"Toronto Perl Mongers" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tpm@to.pm.org"><tpm@to.pm.org></a><br>
Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:06 PM<br>
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<div>Hey Jordan,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Actually, I have no actual experience with
Strawberry Perl or Catalyst on windows. </div>
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<div>I have setup a CGI::App system using ActiveState
Perl and Apache2 on windows back in the day. My
knowledge is severely outdated now. My suggestion
of Strawberry was purely from reading.</div>
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<div>From what I understand, Strawberry Perl is
superior to ActiveState in that it has the full
stack of tools needed to compile modules (as opposed
to precompiled PPM packages, of which ActiveState
maintains and incomplete archive of CPAN). If I
recall, ActiveState wasn't able to package some
things because of licensing (Crypt::SSLeay I think).
I've not played with it though. I've only ever
deployed Catalyst on Linux/Solaris but we're using
the latest and greatest 5.8.x series to get the
Moosey goodness. I'm afraid you'd have to
experiment. I've no idea how to get Strawberry Perl
to play nice with IIS if that's your server (we used
the ISAPI plugin to IIS from Activestate) so you may
want to try Apache2. I don't know what other
alternatives you have at the moment.</div>
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<div>D</div>
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2010 at 2:54 PM, J Z Tam <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<br>
IIRC, you had mentioned that on WindoZe
server OS, it would be easier/doable to
set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl.
If so, which versions of each are working
for you?<br>
Thanks in advance. <br>
Jordan<br>
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Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost
steam...<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org">"Martin@Cleaver.org"</a> <<a
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10:14 AM
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<div>While I do believe Perl has
lost steam in the publics eye, I
don't buy the hype. CPAN is
growing faster and faster (it's
a curve). This year's YAPC had
about 70% of folk going to their
first or second YAPC. The
ecosystem itself is doing just
fine.</div>
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</div>
<div>That being said, I've looked
and Django and Rails and they
ain't my thing (neither is
Catalyst for that matter). But
there are other options like
Mojolicious and Dancer and as
far as I'm concerned CGI::App
still gets the stuff done. I
think Dancer would be an
excellent way for newbies to get
started in webdev in Perl.</div>
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I'd contend that building a
Web app in Groovy on Grails is
where beginners should start.<br>
<br>
Grails is one (not several
competing) Web Framework,
Groovy is Java and J2EE
compliant, yet a scripting
language with closures and
implicit parallel programming
support. Together they give
you scripting access to all
the J2EE components developed
over the past decade while
hiding the crappy verboseness
of XML and Java.<br>
<br>
Building a Web App? As much I
know and like Perl I wouldn't
start a new Web App in one.
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> On Mon, Sep 20,
2010 at 4:39 PM,
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<div>>> It would
seem that right now,
when "Web Apps" are
really coming into<br>
>> their own,
CGI scripts written
in Perl would be the
place that<br>
>> "Beginners"
would start looking.<br>
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But CGI is sooo '90s,
and even Web apps are
passe now; it's all
smartphones.<br>
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