[oak perl] Fwd: Oakland.pm - coordinator resignation

[George Woolley]

[if you are concerned about the future of the group,
i suggest reading what follows
as well as other posts on this subject.]

hi michael,

i thought i sent this yesterday,
but i don't see it in the archives.
my bad.
maybe somehow i sent it to you off-list.
[this paragraph added 5/9]

== thanks
thank you for your concern.
you are welcome for the work i've done re the group.

== call
there was no general call for a new coordinator.
my resignation email [among other things]
sketches my process [in this matter].

== coordinator
in my opinion what is needed in a coordinator
is largely in the mind of the beholder.
i think the main areas of concern are:
* the website
* the mailing list
* the meetings
if someone is seriously interested in being coordinator,
i'd be glad to go into more detail with them.
the document i found most useful in starting the group
is by rick moen and is referenced on our home page.
i think perl mongers has something too
but don't recall what.
if interested, someone could ask them.

i think [but don't know] that perl mongers
requires a single point of contact.
i do think that splitting up the job is desireable,
but am inclined to think
it's still best to have someone in charge.
are you ready to take that on?   <<<
if so, i suggest you contact perl mongers.

== archives
i don't know how long
perl mongers will keep this list or its archive around.
for matters such as this [and for most matters re the group],
i suggest contacting perl mongers.
i do know that our group is no longer on the list
of active perl mongers groups.

== posting
i will post on this matter as seems appropriate to me.
that will probably be mostly answering
some questions [and concerns] posted to this list.
currently, at the top of my to do list [re this matter]
is modifying the website to reflect the current situation.

== contact
for most matters re the group,
i suggest contacting perl mongers.

for [questions or] specific requests, i suggest:
      support at pm.org
if that's the wrong place to make your request,
hopefully they'll know the right place.
in my experience, they are very helpful.

== thanks
you are welcome again.

skoal,
george

p.s if you feel strongly about keeping the archives available,
i guess you could:
* capture the list and make the archives available yourself
   [assuming the archives are still accessible]
* or arrange with perl mongers to keep the archives available
  [much better given your concern as i understand it]

p.p.s. i'd review [and proof] this further,
but time may be important in this matter.

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On Wednesday 07 May 2008 22:21, you wrote:
> Thanks for all the work you've done on this, George.
>
> Not sure I caught earlier item(s) on call for a new coordinator.
>
> Is it in the list archives?  Perhaps if folks know what's needed
> to cover it, perhaps some volunteer(s) would step forward ... or maybe
> among a few folks or so, all the bits could get covered.  Perhaps
> Perl Mongers already has a nice prepared list/description that could
> be referenced, of what's needed in a "coordinator"?
>
> If nothing else, it'd be nice to keep the list archives around ...
> even if they become a static collection, that's better than having
> all that information go bye-bye from the Internet.  And at the same
> URLs is quite preferable, if feasible ... so the stuff's still findable
> (e.g. avoid breaking all the links and bookmarks that poing to them).
>
> Keep us posted.
>
> And thanks again!
>
> Quoting George Woolley <george at metaart.org>:
> > hi all,
> > thanks to all who have contributed to the group.
> > - george
> >
> > ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
> >
> > Subject: Oakland.pm - coordinator resignation
> > Date: Tuesday 06 May 2008 10:58
> > From: George Woolley <george at metaart.org>
> > To: support at pm.org
> >
> > I have the following requests:
> > * I request you remove me [my name, etc.]
> > as coordinator of Oakland.pm in all appropriate places.
> > * I request, in particular, you remove my name and email address from:
> >          http://www.pm.org/groups/314.html
> > * I request you not remove me from the group leaders list
> > as I'm still coordinator of Camelot.pm.
> >
> > I attempted to find someone to replace me but failed.
> > [For more detail, see below my "signature".]
> > You are welcome to ask if someone else on the list is willing
> > to take on the coordinator function.
> > [You may well find someone as the administrative interface
> > showed 78 subscriptions when I checked May 5.]
> > If noone is willing to take on the function or you choose not to ask,
> > you may want to shut the group down.
> >
> > - George
> >
> > == Detail on Not Finding Someone to Take Over
> > 2008 Background:
> > I've been actively looking for someone appropriate to take on the
> > function since early april [april 4].
> > I asked [april 4] two people I thought would be very good
> > to take on the function,
> > but both eventually said no [april 9 & 14].
> > A third person I thought would also be good [but hadn't considered
> > initially]
> > thought he wanted to do it but eventually decided [may 5] no.
> >
> > Earlier Background [i.e. before 2008]:
> > I began as coordinator of the group in late 2002
> > so that I would have a close by group to go to
> > [and not because I wanted to coordinate a group].
> > Twice in the past I've asked people
> > if they'd be willing to take over.
> > Both times they ended up saying no.

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