APM: Possible New Austin.pm Software Projects

Thu Jun 12 11:04:37 PDT 2014

Yes Reini is correct, there is an inherent risk in the FRDCSA project,
because we won't know the true value of FRDCSA until it is uploaded to
CPAN and tested by the Perl community.
Yes I believe I did see Mr. Dougherty's booth at YAPC in Austin last
year, I was interested then and I'm still interested now.
Remember this is just 1 possible project put forth by a member of
Austin.pm, we are still wide open to any other ideas of the group.
Perling,~ Will the Chill
On 6/12/2014 at 9:46 AM, "Reini Urban"  wrote:On 06/12/2014 02:33 AM,
William N. Braswell, Jr. wrote:
> MONGERS, PLEASE READ MR. DOUGHERTY'S LETTER BELOW AND PROVIDE
FEEDBACK!
>
> Things I personally think are attractive about this FRDCSA project:
>
> - Clear Initial Win By Releasing Pre-Existing Software To CPAN
> - Artificial Intelligence Is Cool
> - Integrates With New Austin.pm Catalyst Website
> - Existing Maintainer To Lead The Project
> - Potentially High-Value & High-Visibility
> - Broad Enough To Have Something For Everyone

I and most other p5p folks don't really trust this guy.

He applied for a tpf grant last year and it was denied.
Nobody expects anybody to ask for money to publish his
perl modules to CPAN.

*
http://news.perlfoundation.org/2010/08/2010q3-grant-proposal-frdcsa-i.html

* 
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/06/13/154226/learn-about-the-frdcsa-weak-ai-project-video

And the quality of the code was horrible compared to similar AI 
projects. So I doubt the potential High-Value & High-Visibility.

Wasn't he in Austin at the last YAPC?
I do think so.

But I don't want to curb your enthusiasm if you like to work on it.
AI *is* cool.
And nobody trusted Will neither, until he came up with a successful 
project on his own. So if you like it, go for it.
> ----- Forwarded message from "Andrew J. Dougherty" 
> -----
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:17:11 +0000
> Subject: Re: Possible New Austin.pm Software Projects
> To: "William N. Braswell, Jr." 
>
> Hi Mongers,
>
> Sure, I'll give a description. There is a ton of open source
> software out there that hasn't been integrated directly with Perl
> yet which is often written in other languages or combinations
> thereof. Really powerful stuff. I have made/want to make a
> giant directory of all of this and expose interfaces from Perl to
> all the libraries, APIs, etc, and make both the original software
> and its wrapper installable on your OS of choice by building OS
> specific installers for it for as many OSes as possible. I've
> been using the FLOSSMole database of software, spidering, and a
> lot of natural language processing software I've collected (that
> I've exposed the APIs to in Perl) to bootstrap a Comprehensive
> Software Ontology, and have created a toolchain called
> RADAR/Packager/Architect which can locate, package and integrate
> that software into these APIs and OS packages. I do all my
> programming in Perl and want to make my environment as capable as
> possible. So there is the Perl API component, and also the OS
> package component.
>
> In addition to this main goal there are a lot of other tools,
> which have either been custom written in Perl or which I've
> indexed using the system, to provide two kinds of capabilities.
> The first kind are capabilities that help with the goal of
> locating, packaging and integrating existing open source
> software. The second kind are general purpose software.
>
> I think that by making all these non-Perl tools able to be
> controlled from Perl, we will magnify the set of capabilities
> that are installable via CPAN and your OS. I've been building
> vagrant scripts to test.
>
> Since learning of Catalyst, I have always envisioned exposing
> these capabilities through CPAN to Catalyst to help make it the
> most powerful possible web development system, capable of
> accessing and performing the most comprehensive set of functions
> possible.
>
> I have put 15 years of work into this project, and it has never
> been released on CPAN, because I don't have experience releasing
> CPAN modules, and everything is interdependent. It would be a
> great help to me and hopefully to the Perl community as well if
> the Austin Perl Mongers could help me get this system deployed to
> CPAN so that people can use it with their projects. There is a
> lot involved, tests need to be written, code cleaned and secured,
> but I'm confident that it is very doable and worthwhile.
>
> Much of the software I have been packaging is artificial
> intelligence and text processing tools. You can see some of the
> packages here:
>
> deb http://services.frdcsa.org/debian unstable/
>
> I've also developed a lot of Perl programs, both general purpose
> software, and software that aids in the creation of Perl. I have
> one that uses PPI to convert a script into a module. I am
> working on one that converts a textual description of a system
> into object-oriented code. One that installs all dependent
> modules for a perl program, etc.
>
> Thanks for considering the FRDCSA as your project.
>
> Here are some links:
>
> Internal:
>
> http://frdcsa.org/frdcsa/
> http://frdcsa.org/
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/Overview.odt
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/projects/module-list.txt
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/modules.txt
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/visual-aid/
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/visual-aid/major-tracks.pdf
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/visual-aid/FRDCSA-Grant-Proposal.odt
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/
>
http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/Temporal-Planning-and-Inferencing-for-Personal-Task-Management-with-SPSE2.pdf
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/flourish-2009.odp
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/workhorse.odp‎
>
http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/frdcsa-2.0-requirements-draft.txt
>
> External:
>
>
https://github.com/aindilis/myfrdcsas-doc/blob/master/MyFRDCSAs.README
> http://flossmole.org/
> http://www.fossology.org/projects/fossology
>
> Some sample code:
>
> http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/software/software-samples-20111215.tgz
>
> (you can see some wrappers in System::, Capability:: and
> PerlLib:: in the perllib.tgz tar contained within the samples
> tar).
>
>
> On 06/11/2014 10:04 PM, William N. Braswell, Jr. wrote:
>> Good idea, Mr. Choate.
>>
>> Mr. Dougherty, will you please reply to the mailing list with a
brief
>> explanation of your Perl project?
>> Thanks!
>> Perling,~ Will the Chill, Austin.pm Prez
>>
>> On 6/11/2014 at 7:37 AM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote:With
regard
>> to projects, I'd like to propose somebody in authority speak with
>> Andrew Dougherty w/ FRDCSA. He has a large collection of Perl he's
>> been working on for the last several years related to ML and such
>> topics. He's trying to get help organizing and building some
support
>> to get them into a real production status. I've included Andrew in
CC.
>> I've been trying to get cycles to help since finding out about it
from
>> last years YAPC talk he gave (though I must admit I've not been
able
>> to do much actual help to date).
>>
>>http://www.frdcsa.org
>>
>> ---- "William N. Braswell wrote:
>>> Howdy Mongers,
>>> We had a very productive meeting tonight, thanks to Joe Axford
>>> stepping forth as our new Catalyst website re-design team leader,
to
>>> be assisted by a number of us helpful Austin Perl Mongers.  We
will
>>> use (of course) Linux / Perl on the back-end, Catalyst /
>>> Template::Toolkit as the middle-ware, and Foundation / JQuery /
>>> Javascript on the front-end, for a fully-featured modern and
>>> responsive website.  WOWZA!
>>> Our straw-man general plan is available on our handy-dandy Trello
>>> to-do list:
>>>https://trello.com/b/fyNhcgzd/austin-pm-website
>>> We have debated for months and tonight we finally voted upon an
>>> official Austin Perl Mongers mascot...
>>>
>>> THE BARTON SPRINGS SALAMANDER!
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Springs_salamander
>>> We want to anthropomorphize the animal like our sponsor
HostGator's
>>> "Snappy the Gator" mascot.  We've had several possible ideas
>> including
>>> a hipster or hippie salamander, all the way through a "proper
>> british
>>> salamander with a top-hat, monocle, and cane with a big pearl on
>> top".
>>>  So we'll let the artists create some prototypes and see what we
>> come
>>> up with?  "Sir Barton P. MacSalamander the Third, Of Austin
Springs,
>>> at your service my good lady"
>>> We also got some radical new Perl t-shirts thanks to HostGator and
>> our
>>> main man X!  Hey X, can you please send out some photos of the new
>>> shirts?
>>> AAAAAND last but not least, we've decided to debate and eventually
>>> choose an official Austin.pm FLAGSHIP SOFTWARE PROJECT to be
hosted
>> on
>>> CPAN.  We have no idea what this might be, and we're pretty much
>> open
>>> to anything that will have a real positive impact on the Perl
>>> community.  It could be an important upgrade to an existing CPAN
>>> distribution, or it could be a totally new CPAN project that we
come
>>> up with from scratch.  Let's all pitch in and make a difference,
>> let's
>>> put Austin.pm on the maps!
>>> So, who has ideas for projects, website, graphics, etc?
>>> Perling,~ Will the Chill, Austin.pm Prez
>>>
>>> William Norman Braswell, Jr.
>>>  CEO & President; Auto-Parallel Technologies, Inc.
>>>  william.braswell at autoparallel.com
>>>  512.563.7984
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>>  -- -- -- --
>> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
>>
>> jameschoate at austin.rr.com
>> jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org
>> ravage at ssz.com
>>
>> h: 512-657-1279
>>
>> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
>>  -- -- -- --
>>
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