From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Wed Feb 22 10:41:52 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:41:52 +0200
Subject: [za-pm] [pm_groups] Perl tutorials,
	perl news and the Perl Monger groups
Message-ID: <20120222184152.GA25303@fables.co.za>

Hi,

I am forwarding this message from Gabor Szabo which was posted on the
pm_groups mailimg list a while ago.

I have done my own google search of 'perl tutorials' and my results from
home here in South Africa show the following:

1.	www.tizag.com/perlT/
2.	www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/
3.	learn.perl.org/tutorials/	
4.	www.perltutorial.org/
5.	www.perl.com/pub/2000/10/begperl1.html
6.	perl-tutorial.org/
7.	www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Training/PerlIntro/
8.  www.pageresource.com/cgirec/index2.htm
9.	www.tutorialspoint.com/perl/

I am making no comment on any of the above.

In sympathy with his aims I am updating the za-pm website to make a
section for preferred perl tutorial material.

I would like your input on this.  Are there other sites that we should
recommend, do we agree with the list as proposed?

Before I cast the html code in stone, what do you think?

Anne

----- Forwarded message from Gabor Szabo <szabgab at gmail.com> -----

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:06:18 +0200
From: Gabor Szabo <szabgab at gmail.com>
To: PM Groups <pm_groups at pm.org>
Subject: [pm_groups] Perl tutorials, perl news and the Perl Monger groups

Hi everyone,

I am frustrated so I'd like to ask for your help.

I just checked "perl tutorial" on Google and most of the top
hits are still the old and outdated ones. More frustrating to me,
is that mine is still somewhere between 8-12 depending
who searches.

I also checked "perl news" and Google put use.perl.org
as the number one hit.
That site has been frozen for several years now.

So I'd like to ask your help to promote the good Perl tutorials
and perl news sites by linking to them from your Perl Monger
web site.



Perl Tutorials
===========
For the Perl tutorials Christian Walde (Mithaldu) created a web site
http://perl-tutorial.org/ trying to categorize the tutorials.
A few examples for links:

A collection of good <a href="http://perl-tutorial.org/">Perl tutorials</a>.

<a href="http://learn.perl.org/tutorials/">Perl tutorials</a>
<a href="http://onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/">Modern Perl Book</a>
<a href="http://szabgab.com/perl_tutorial.html">Perl Tutorial</a> by Gabor Szabo


Perl news
=========
For the new sites I think one or more of these would be good:

<a href="http://perlnews.org/">Perl news</a>
<a href="http://perlsphere.net/">Perlsphere Aggregated Perl news</a>
<a href="http://ironman.enlightenedperl.org/">Ironman Aggregated Perl news</a>
<a href="http://perlbuzz.com/">Perl Buzz, news collection</a>
<a href="http://perlweekly.com/">Perl Weekly news</a>



Some background if you are interested:
=============================

at the end of October there was surge of discussion about the fact that
the top hits on Google when searching for "perl tutorial" bring mostly
outdated materials.

See the links:

http://perlhacks.com/2011/10/perl-tutorial/
http://blogs.perl.org/users/mithaldu/2011/10/perl-tutorials-suck-and-cause-serious-damage.html
http://blogs.perl.org/users/mithaldu/2011/10/how-do-newbies-find-perl-learning-materials-online.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/loas6/how_do_newbies_find_perl_learning_materials_online/
http://szabgab.com/helping-people-find-good-perl-tutorials.html


The Keyword tool of Google tells me the following search volumes:

perl tutorial   74,000
learn perl 14,800
learning perl 9,900
perl book 18,100
perl 7,480,000



regards and thank you for your help.
   Gabor
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From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Thu Feb 23 08:56:41 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:56:41 +0200
Subject: [za-pm] Job offers in Germany
Message-ID: <20120223165641.GA21969@fables.co.za>

----- Forwarded message from Sebastian Willing <sewi at cpan.org> -----

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:49:45 +0100
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From: Sebastian Willing <sewi at cpan.org>
To: pm_groups at pm.org
Subject: [pm_groups] Job offers in Germany

Dear all,

apologies for abusing the list, please forward this to your local groups  
if you think someone might be interested:

We're hiring junior and senior Perl developers for working in one of our  
German locations.

Here is the job description: http://goo.gl/kU5Wg

Please apply online or send me a mail to sewi at cpan.org

Thanks for reading,
Sebastian
Hannover.pm

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From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Thu Feb 23 11:22:07 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:22:07 +0200
Subject: [za-pm] Perl training in South Africa?
Message-ID: <20120223192207.GA23593@fables.co.za>

Hi,

I was asked late last year whether there was a need for Perl Training in
South Africa.

At the time I was unable to give any answer but the question has not
gone away.

The obstacle to a definitive answer revolves around how many members of
za-pm (plus other non-member perl practitioners) are actually resident
here. Do we have enough support for something of this sort, both
individual and corporate? Are there enough people using perl in South
Africa to warrant bringing training here? Maybe we export people to
commercial training programmes overseas. What gives?

I know from other involvements that South Africa is not always fertile
ground for this sort of thing. We have large distances and sparse
population in all but a few major centres. While we are small we are not
that small but neither are we that big. We are part of the big world
now, maybe we should make ourselves some opportunities to catch up here.

As well as any individual comments on the need or feasability of
something like this I would like to quantify the demographics of
the za-pm membership. So ...

Would each of you email me direct with your current working
location? All information regarded as confidential of course.

Regards
Anne



From jon at hogue.org  Thu Feb 23 11:39:06 2012
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:39:06 -0500
Subject: [za-pm] Hi everybody
Message-ID: <CAHZ7yzmUoufVR2CreKCHCnZhs58P62OBvyruvF5vzuffRR_zTw@mail.gmail.com>

New to the list. Wanted to see if this group was active. Looking to
make some africa / perl connections

From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Thu Feb 23 23:45:53 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:45:53 +0200
Subject: [za-pm] Hi everybody
In-Reply-To: <CAHZ7yzmUoufVR2CreKCHCnZhs58P62OBvyruvF5vzuffRR_zTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZ7yzmUoufVR2CreKCHCnZhs58P62OBvyruvF5vzuffRR_zTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120224074553.GA9989@fables.co.za>

Good morning, Jonathan,


Nice to have you aboard, Welcome to sunny SA. 
 
We are not really very active. Membership is small and geographically
diverse.

I have started two threads over the past days so please check the
back issues.

If there is anything we can help you with, please be our guest.

bestest
Anne

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From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Thu Mar  1 13:39:08 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 23:39:08 +0200
Subject: [za-pm] updates to za-pm website
Message-ID: <20120301213908.GA4430@fables.co.za>

Hi, all,

I have just updated the za-pm website at http://za.pm.org/

This shows a selection of Perl tuition and news websites added.

I'll remove some of the older dated content shortly. In the meantime,
any suggestions on web site content, layout, typography, colour schemes,
etc. will be considered.

regards
Anne