From lanx.perl at googlemail.com  Tue Sep  6 08:46:56 2016
From: lanx.perl at googlemail.com (LanX)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:46:56 +0200
Subject: Slides: Emacs as Perl IDE
Message-ID: <CAGzSEhcb8ErQ5KdpV6xS14kwc-My4JwWrjLbv7a60oEAABHdPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

As promised here the slides for the cancelled talk

--> http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~langsdorf/talks/2016_YAPC::EU/EmacsIDE/Emacs_as_Perl_IDE.pdf

In the meantime I've put much efforts to include dozens of screenshots
to have an "animated effect" to and compensate for the lack of "human
animation". ;)

There for the PDF should be pretty self explanatory.

Anyway the video of my talk at YAPC EU is supposed to appear soon on
youtube, I'll keep you informed.

For questions and feedback please use this thread on perlmonks:

-->  http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=1167507

Cheers
  Rolf (aka LanX)


PS: Many, many thanks to Damian for jumping in as a replacement on
short notice!

I just saw the video on youtube and was very impressed about how he hacked VIM
to mimic some old Emacs features ... ;-)

From damian at conway.org  Tue Sep  6 15:00:24 2016
From: damian at conway.org (Damian Conway)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 08:00:24 +1000
Subject: Slides: Emacs as Perl IDE
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Thanks so much for making that available, LanX.
I'm only sorry we didn't get to hear it live at YAPC::NA.

And I'll certainly be mining it, looking to create additional Vim tools. :-)


> I just saw the video on youtube and was very impressed about how he
> hacked VIM to mimic some old Emacs features ... ;-)

Let me just correct that small typo for you...

    :%s/mimic/make available to modern developers/

;-)

Damian
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From lanx.perl at googlemail.com  Wed Sep  7 02:13:22 2016
From: lanx.perl at googlemail.com (LanX)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 11:13:22 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Slides: Emacs as Perl IDE
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(once again for the list)

2016-09-07 0:00 GMT+02:00 Damian Conway <damian at conway.org>:
> Thanks so much for making that available, LanX.
> I'm only sorry we didn't get to hear it live at YAPC::NA.

Yep, I'm sorry too! Hopefully the video won't be lost like they did in Riga....

> And I'll certainly be mining it, looking to create additional Vim tools. :-)

Yeah, have a look into textmate snippets, I saw they are available for VIM too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTrx98J_Z0

Perl needs more reusable, editor agnostic solutions...

>     :%s/mimic/make available to modern developers/

Well I won't continue on this, I have no problem with VIM and I agree
that the keybindings
are saner, and I'm even learning evil-mode right now.

But I went once to a local meeting of the linux user group, and did
the mistake to mention
Emacs and Perl in the same phrase ...

... only to become the constant hate target of some VIM / Python guy.

(Needless to say I never went again, even that they meet just across my street.)

Like with Python it's not the tool  but the mindset of "There is only
one way to do it"
of its community, which is driving me away ...

Even more surprising is that 80% of self proclaimed vi users (they
even often ignore the difference to VIM)
I interviewed so far told me they switch to other tools like Komodo,
Padre, JetBrains/Camelcade, Eclipse/EPIC,
and so on  when on windows (all good tools on their own)

All Emacsers I talked to seem to lack this flexibility ... ;-)

Cheers =)
  Rolf

PS: for those interested: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=788619

From yapc at packy.org  Thu Sep  8 05:38:11 2016
From: yapc at packy.org (Packy Anderson)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:38:11 -0400
Subject: Slides: Emacs as Perl IDE
Message-ID: <CAJ5of3smfrRXdonQ5boeJ8eJ4o9Tjhqa4L6ZX-PD1PnGkEZjcg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sep 6, 2016 6:01 PM, "Damian Conway via yapc" <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> > I just saw the video on youtube and was very impressed about how he
> > hacked VIM to mimic some old Emacs features ... ;-)
>
> Let me just correct that small typo for you...
>
>     :%s/mimic/make available to modern developers/
>
> ;-)

The only thing I have to say to that is that *both* vi and Emacs are 40
years old. You'd think modern developers would use something a little
newer... ;-)

-packy (if I can't use Emacs or vi, it's not worth editing it)

-- 
Packy Anderson
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From lanx.perl at googlemail.com  Sun Sep 11 06:13:09 2016
From: lanx.perl at googlemail.com (LanX)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:13:09 +0200
Subject: Video: Emacs as Perl IDE
Message-ID: <CAGzSEhfmGJRYPQOXXS+NKmaKYXBcp3oODWzUzNN_dPpQhdPsqQ@mail.gmail.com>

For those interested, the recording was published...

All links here!

http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=1167507

Please use Perlmonks for questions and feedback! :)

Cheers
  Rolf

2016-09-08 14:38 GMT+02:00 Packy Anderson via yapc <yapc at pm.org>:
> On Sep 6, 2016 6:01 PM, "Damian Conway via yapc" <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
>> > I just saw the video on youtube and was very impressed about how he
>> > hacked VIM to mimic some old Emacs features ... ;-)
>>
>> Let me just correct that small typo for you...
>>
>>     :%s/mimic/make available to modern developers/
>>
>> ;-)
>
> The only thing I have to say to that is that both vi and Emacs are 40 years
> old. You'd think modern developers would use something a little newer... ;-)
>
> -packy (if I can't use Emacs or vi, it's not worth editing it)
>
>
> --
> Packy Anderson
>
>
>
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