From jkeen at verizon.net  Mon May 11 18:34:00 2015
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:34:00 -0400
Subject: YAPC::NA: 4 Weeks Away
Message-ID: <55515888.9080706@verizon.net>

YAPC::NA::2015 starts four weeks from today:  http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/

Are you registered?

Have you paid?

Have you booked your hotel reservations?

Have you booked your flight?

Have you posted your arrival/departure information on the wiki 
(http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalsAndDepartures)?

And now the most important question of all ...

*Where are we going for the Arrivals Dinner?*

Four weeks from YAPC, and we haven't yet begun arguing over the location 
and details of the Arrivals Dinner for Sunday June 07.  What's wrong 
with you, people?  That notorious vegan autarch has already begun to 
organize the Anti-Arrivals Dinner 
(http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner), but if we 
don't get our act together for the Arrivals Dinner 
(http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner), he won't have 
anything to be Anti!  We can't let that happen, can we?

So, are there any Salt Lake City locals on this list who can make 
suggestions as to where to go on the Sunday before the conference for 
anywhere from 20 to 120 people?

Just askin'.

kid51

From msouth at gmail.com  Mon May 11 18:40:49 2015
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:40:49 -0500
Subject: YAPC::NA: 4 Weeks Away
In-Reply-To: <55515888.9080706@verizon.net>
References: <55515888.9080706@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAN483vdOhnDd=apWFkPR99Z=ov=Ugsjc+6v61xZXUye+-oqu_Q@mail.gmail.com>

What is the sound of an anti arrival dinner without an arrival dinner?
 (Start pondering....NOW.  First one to enlightenment wins!)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:34 PM, James E Keenan via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
wrote:

> YAPC::NA::2015 starts four weeks from today:
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/
>
> Are you registered?
>
> Have you paid?
>
> Have you booked your hotel reservations?
>
> Have you booked your flight?
>
> Have you posted your arrival/departure information on the wiki (
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalsAndDepartures)?
>
> And now the most important question of all ...
>
> *Where are we going for the Arrivals Dinner?*
>
> Four weeks from YAPC, and we haven't yet begun arguing over the location
> and details of the Arrivals Dinner for Sunday June 07.  What's wrong with
> you, people?  That notorious vegan autarch has already begun to organize
> the Anti-Arrivals Dinner (
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner), but if we
> don't get our act together for the Arrivals Dinner (
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner), he won't have
> anything to be Anti!  We can't let that happen, can we?
>
> So, are there any Salt Lake City locals on this list who can make
> suggestions as to where to go on the Sunday before the conference for
> anywhere from 20 to 120 people?
>
> Just askin'.
>
> kid51
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From autarch at urth.org  Mon May 11 19:09:12 2015
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:09:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: YAPC::NA: 4 Weeks Away
In-Reply-To: <55515888.9080706@verizon.net>
References: <55515888.9080706@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1505112107360.10493@urth.org>

On Mon, 11 May 2015, James E Keenan via yapc wrote:

> *Where are we going for the Arrivals Dinner?*
>
> Four weeks from YAPC, and we haven't yet begun arguing over the location and 
> details of the Arrivals Dinner for Sunday June 07.  What's wrong with you, 
> people?  That notorious vegan autarch has already begun to organize the 
> Anti-Arrivals Dinner 
> (http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner), but if we don't 
> get our act together for the Arrivals Dinner 
> (http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner), he won't have 
> anything to be Anti!  We can't let that happen, can we?

It's so Anti that it's *DESTROYED* the arrival dinner. Yeah, I am 
notorious, motherbleepers! Do not fork with me!

Seriously, I can't take responsibility for organizing something bigger 
than 16-20 people, so if you want some huge gathering someone else should 
step up.


Cheers,

-dave

/*============================================================
http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
============================================================*/

From jkeen at verizon.net  Tue May 12 17:54:34 2015
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:54:34 -0400
Subject: YAPC home page has awkward layout, doesn't display all sponsors
Message-ID: <5552A0CA.1050406@verizon.net>

Tonight I had occasion to go to the main web page for this year's 
conference:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/

In the section under Sponsors, at any given time a large logo for one 
sponsor takes up a lot of screen real estate.  This appears to rotate 
through various sponsors' logos over time -- and through the hideous 
Perl6 Camelia logo as well -- but doesn't give the viewer a picture of 
*all* the sponsors at once.  You have to click on a link set in a much 
smaller point size and go to 
http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/sponsors.html#become-sponsor to see the 
complete list.

This is, IIRC, a departure from our past practice in which the sponsors' 
logos appeared in a sidebar in descending order of generosity.  In 
events I've organized, sponsors have always been promised some constant 
presence on the conference's home page.  I would ask the organizers to 
consider putting all the sponsors on the home page as we have done at 
past YAPCs.

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan

From dan at dwright.org  Tue May 12 20:26:13 2015
From: dan at dwright.org (Daniel Wright)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 23:26:13 -0400
Subject: YAPC home page has awkward layout, doesn't display all sponsors
In-Reply-To: <5552A0CA.1050406@verizon.net>
References: <5552A0CA.1050406@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <25C4D3C6-60A4-4549-8814-839023EDC578@dwright.org>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the feedback.   Though, your suggestions may have been better directed to admins at yapcna.org <mailto:admins at yapcna.org>.

In case you were wondering how to contact YAPC, we have a contact us page on the web site:

	http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/contact.html <http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/contact.html>

This is just one of many improvements we have made to the site compared to previous years.   :-)

-Dan


> On May 12, 2015, at 8:54 PM, James E Keenan via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> Tonight I had occasion to go to the main web page for this year's conference:
> 
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/
> 
> In the section under Sponsors, at any given time a large logo for one sponsor takes up a lot of screen real estate.  This appears to rotate through various sponsors' logos over time -- and through the hideous Perl6 Camelia logo as well -- but doesn't give the viewer a picture of *all* the sponsors at once.  You have to click on a link set in a much smaller point size and go to http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/sponsors.html#become-sponsor to see the complete list.
> 
> This is, IIRC, a departure from our past practice in which the sponsors' logos appeared in a sidebar in descending order of generosity.  In events I've organized, sponsors have always been promised some constant presence on the conference's home page.  I would ask the organizers to consider putting all the sponsors on the home page as we have done at past YAPCs.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> Jim Keenan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 

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From darren at darrenduncan.net  Tue May 12 20:31:19 2015
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:31:19 -0700
Subject: YAPC home page has awkward layout, doesn't display all sponsors
In-Reply-To: <5552A0CA.1050406@verizon.net>
References: <5552A0CA.1050406@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5552C587.3070500@darrenduncan.net>

I agree with Jim Keenan on his main point that all the sponsors should be shown 
at once staticly, rather than an animation of one at a time.  I also generally 
think that animations looping through a list of things is a fad and that static 
displays are better on web pages.  I disagree on the Camelia logo and think it 
looks perfectly fine. -- Darren Duncan

On 2015-05-12 5:54 PM, James E Keenan via yapc wrote:
> Tonight I had occasion to go to the main web page for this year's conference:
>
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/
>
> In the section under Sponsors, at any given time a large logo for one sponsor
> takes up a lot of screen real estate.  This appears to rotate through various
> sponsors' logos over time -- and through the hideous Perl6 Camelia logo as well
> -- but doesn't give the viewer a picture of *all* the sponsors at once.  You
> have to click on a link set in a much smaller point size and go to
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/sponsors.html#become-sponsor to see the complete list.
>
> This is, IIRC, a departure from our past practice in which the sponsors' logos
> appeared in a sidebar in descending order of generosity.  In events I've
> organized, sponsors have always been promised some constant presence on the
> conference's home page.  I would ask the organizers to consider putting all the
> sponsors on the home page as we have done at past YAPCs.
>
> Thank you very much.
> Jim Keenan



From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 13 14:01:22 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:01:22 -0400
Subject: perl jobs symposium
Message-ID: <5553BBA2.9020602@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

damn, this list is quiet this year!

anyhow, the perl jobs bof i have led the last 3 yapc::na's is no more. 
but it has been promoted to the perl jobs symposium!! :)

note that the bof started in madison with about 10 attendees and last 
year in orlando we have close to 30. it is too large for a bof so it 
will be on the schedule as a symposium. it will be held on wednesday at 
lunch in one of the conference rooms. food and drink will NOT be 
provided so grab something and drop on by. if some company wants to 
sponsor it, that would be cool. i can order pizza or similar but last 
year we had way too many attendees for what i ordered. it would have to 
be better organized this year if we want that.

also i am looking for an HR person and a hiring manager to be on the 
panel. i will represent the agency side of things.

as with the bof, the goal is to educate attendees on how to do better in 
the perl jobs market. this includes tips on resumes and interviews, Q&A 
with the panel, good or bad stories to share, etc.

reply to the list with anything such as interest in attending, being on 
the panel, sponsorship or whatever. i don't do facebook or twitter so 
email is it for me! :)

thanx,

uri


From jordan.m.adler at gmail.com  Wed May 13 19:25:45 2015
From: jordan.m.adler at gmail.com (Jordan M Adler)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:25:45 -0700
Subject: Late Addition to the YAPC::NA 2015 Schedule: Mobile Apps... in Perl?
Message-ID: <CAKbmdCsPV=MRnE=KaZCHy5QkDA460HgHLkJkm1v-pV28dcqDSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'd like to let you know that my presentation, which is a very broad but
very shallow view of the modern mobile web, has been slotted in as a late
addition to the schedule.


*Mobile Apps... in Perl?*http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/talk/6045

Mobile Apps... in Perl?  Yes, it's possible.  Web developers can provide
push notifications, engaging user experiences, and rich offline experiences
on mobile and on desktop.

Join Jordan Adler, a Google Developer Advocate, as he reveals the future of
mobile web and how it can bring a greater level of engagement with your
users.


Thanks,
Jordan
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 15 22:51:59 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 01:51:59 -0400
Subject: do you need a hotel room?
Message-ID: <5556DAFF.3080707@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

does anyone need a hotel room at the conference rate? my reservation is 
available as i will be sharing a room with someone. i am auctioning off 
this reservation. bids may be in bitcoin, galactic dollars, beers, cpan 
coding work, us cash in a brown paper bag, spanish doubloons and pretty 
much anything that gets my interest. all bids must be public and on the 
list. my decision of the winner is final unless you bribe me.

thanx,

uri


From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 00:57:30 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 03:57:30 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
Message-ID: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible easy 
place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called charlie 
chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl with veggies 
noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and they grill it 
for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice. all you can eat 
setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up differently. it is only 4 
blocks from the hotel so we can walk there en mass. any thoughts? i will 
wiki it up as a suggestion and signup page. i say 7pm and we leave at 
6:30 from the hotel. this is not a group thing so i will not be selling 
tickets or anything. you cover your own tab or table.

here are google and yelp reviews. sounds decent.

https://plus.google.com/118232509384740735547/about?hl=en&gl=us
http://www.yelp.com/biz/charlie-chows-dragon-grill-salt-lake-city-2

uri

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 01:18:30 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 04:18:30 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <555AF1D6.9090801@stemsystems.com>

On 05/19/2015 04:15 AM, drforr at pobox.com wrote:
> On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
>> easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
>> charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
>> with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
>> they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice.
>> all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
>> differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
>> en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
>> page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
>> group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
>> your own tab or table.
>
> +1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my 
> known weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own 
> seasoning, an additional +1 will be added :)

as i said, boston has an american version with a giant round grill they 
cook all the food on. i have seen them in nyc and read about them 
elsewhere. it allows major customization of your meal(s).
  this one claims to have 17 sauces you choose from for the grill. if 
that is your own seasoning, they it is +1 for you.

uri

From drforr at pobox.com  Tue May 19 01:15:24 2015
From: drforr at pobox.com (drforr at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:15:24 +0200
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>

On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
> easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
> charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
> with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
> they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice.
> all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
> differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
> en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
> page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
> group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
> your own tab or table.

+1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my known 
weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own seasoning, an 
additional +1 will be added :)

> 
> here are google and yelp reviews. sounds decent.
> 
> https://plus.google.com/118232509384740735547/about?hl=en&gl=us
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/charlie-chows-dragon-grill-salt-lake-city-2
> 
> uri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From drforr at pobox.com  Tue May 19 01:29:50 2015
From: drforr at pobox.com (drforr at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:29:50 +0200
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <555AF1D6.9090801@stemsystems.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
	<555AF1D6.9090801@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <05d5584e32699d77ac5ef8d1f6cbe2ca@pobox.com>

On 2015-05-19 10:18, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> On 05/19/2015 04:15 AM, drforr at pobox.com wrote:
>> On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>>> hi all,
>>> 
>>> i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
>>> easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
>>> charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
>>> with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
>>> they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and 
>>> ice.
>>> all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
>>> differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
>>> en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
>>> page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
>>> group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
>>> your own tab or table.
>> 
>> +1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my 
>> known weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own 
>> seasoning, an additional +1 will be added :)
> 
> as i said, boston has an american version with a giant round grill
> they cook all the food on. i have seen them in nyc and read about them
> elsewhere. it allows major customization of your meal(s).
>  this one claims to have 17 sauces you choose from for the grill. if
> that is your own seasoning, they it is +1 for you.

We shall see. Khan's is a legendary chain of Mongolian in Minneapolis, 
and I dragged Walt M. to a Mongolian place I spotted in Dublin when he 
was there :) I probably shouldn't reveal this on a public mailing list 
:) but the trick is that chefs usually add water or sesame oil when the 
sauces you've poured over your bowl evaporate, so you hand them a 
*second* bowl with additional sauces, so you get better flavor.

> 
> uri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 01:34:17 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 04:34:17 -0400
Subject: good movie night
Message-ID: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i am sure dave adler will be running some form of bad movie night. maybe 
one about a shark getting zapped by FOO rays and becoming the president 
of cuba! :)

but if you recall, i selected a pretty well received double feature in 
austin, the president's analyst and the court jester. we won't be 
getting theater but we may be able to get a room with a projector (well, 
we can ask). my suggestion is a pair of noir like flicks. the first is a 
great british spy story set in london in the 60's and starring michael 
caine called the ipcress file. this is what james bond should have been 
and without the gadgets. the other is a modern classic that deserves to 
be seen multiple tiles, chinatown. it has jack nicholson at his peak 
alongside the dazzling fay dunaway as the femme fatale. 1000 whose line 
points to anyone that can actually explain the evil plot run by john huston!

any interest in these two? of course i would have to ask dave to 
benevolently acquire the dvd's for these (i am sure he must have 
chinatown already! :).

thanx,

uri



From drforr at pobox.com  Tue May 19 01:38:12 2015
From: drforr at pobox.com (drforr at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:38:12 +0200
Subject: good movie night
In-Reply-To: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
References: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <59714dae6510f0e404f324b81a88f85f@pobox.com>

On 2015-05-19 10:34, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> i am sure dave adler will be running some form of bad movie night.
> maybe one about a shark getting zapped by FOO rays and becoming the
> president of cuba! :)
> 
> but if you recall, i selected a pretty well received double feature in
> austin, the president's analyst and the court jester. we won't be
> getting theater but we may be able to get a room with a projector
> (well, we can ask). my suggestion is a pair of noir like flicks. the
> first is a great british spy story set in london in the 60's and
> starring michael caine called the ipcress file. this is what james
> bond should have been and without the gadgets. the other is a modern
> classic that deserves to be seen multiple tiles, chinatown. it has
> jack nicholson at his peak alongside the dazzling fay dunaway as the
> femme fatale. 1000 whose line points to anyone that can actually
> explain the evil plot run by john huston!
> 
> any interest in these two? of course i would have to ask dave to
> benevolently acquire the dvd's for these (i am sure he must have
> chinatown already! :).


Forget it, Jake.

> thanx,
> 
> uri
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 01:43:55 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 04:43:55 -0400
Subject: good movie night
In-Reply-To: <59714dae6510f0e404f324b81a88f85f@pobox.com>
References: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
	<59714dae6510f0e404f324b81a88f85f@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <555AF7CB.9070405@stemsystems.com>

On 05/19/2015 04:38 AM, drforr--- via yapc wrote:
>
> Forget it, Jake.
>

i will sic those orange grove farmers on you!

uri

From finkel.matt at gmail.com  Tue May 19 07:15:22 2015
From: finkel.matt at gmail.com (Matt Finkel)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:15:22 -0500
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <05d5584e32699d77ac5ef8d1f6cbe2ca@pobox.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
	<555AF1D6.9090801@stemsystems.com>
	<05d5584e32699d77ac5ef8d1f6cbe2ca@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6Gsf6ey+4zsrLLaLSdiKszkHyiqU8K1_+28XLLwnq3Dp43og@mail.gmail.com>

$attendance++;  I'm gonna go for that _third_ sauce bowl.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:29 AM, drforr--- via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> On 2015-05-19 10:18, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>
>> On 05/19/2015 04:15 AM, drforr at pobox.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi all,
>>>>
>>>> i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
>>>> easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
>>>> charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
>>>> with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
>>>> they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice.
>>>> all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
>>>> differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
>>>> en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
>>>> page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
>>>> group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
>>>> your own tab or table.
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my known
>>> weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own seasoning, an
>>> additional +1 will be added :)
>>>
>>
>> as i said, boston has an american version with a giant round grill
>> they cook all the food on. i have seen them in nyc and read about them
>> elsewhere. it allows major customization of your meal(s).
>>  this one claims to have 17 sauces you choose from for the grill. if
>> that is your own seasoning, they it is +1 for you.
>>
>
> We shall see. Khan's is a legendary chain of Mongolian in Minneapolis, and
> I dragged Walt M. to a Mongolian place I spotted in Dublin when he was
> there :) I probably shouldn't reveal this on a public mailing list :) but
> the trick is that chefs usually add water or sesame oil when the sauces
> you've poured over your bowl evaporate, so you hand them a *second* bowl
> with additional sauces, so you get better flavor.
>
>
>
>> uri
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
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From waltman at pobox.com  Tue May 19 07:21:45 2015
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:21:45 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <05d5584e32699d77ac5ef8d1f6cbe2ca@pobox.com>
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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:29:50AM +0200, drforr--- via yapc wrote:
> On 2015-05-19 10:18, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> >On 05/19/2015 04:15 AM, drforr at pobox.com wrote:
> >>On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> >>>hi all,
> >>>
> >>>i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
> >>>easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
> >>>charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
> >>>with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
> >>>they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice.
> >>>all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
> >>>differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
> >>>en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
> >>>page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
> >>>group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
> >>>your own tab or table.
> >>
> >>+1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my known
> >>weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own seasoning, an
> >>additional +1 will be added :)
> >
> >as i said, boston has an american version with a giant round grill
> >they cook all the food on. i have seen them in nyc and read about them
> >elsewhere. it allows major customization of your meal(s).
> > this one claims to have 17 sauces you choose from for the grill. if
> >that is your own seasoning, they it is +1 for you.
> 
> We shall see. Khan's is a legendary chain of Mongolian in Minneapolis, and I
> dragged Walt M. to a Mongolian place I spotted in Dublin when he was there
> :) I probably shouldn't reveal this on a public mailing list :) but the
> trick is that chefs usually add water or sesame oil when the sauces you've
> poured over your bowl evaporate, so you hand them a *second* bowl with
> additional sauces, so you get better flavor.

I enjoy a good Mongolian BBQ as much as the next guy [1], but all the
places I've ever been to have been fairly small with only 1 or 2
chefs. I'm worried how well this might scale up to several hundred
people. Might well be awesome, of course, but make sure you give them
a call to make sure they can handle it.

Walt

1. So long as the next guy isn't Dr. Forr.

From faelin.landy at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:18:55 2015
From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:18:55 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <20150519142145.GA16712@mawode.com>
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I absolutely adore that cooking style! +1 for sure!

However, looking at the venue, they seem to have very limited seating (I'd
estimated between 60 and 80 seats, maybe as many as 120). I tried to call,
but got no answer, so I'll try again later. If the venue can't handle the
load of a full arrival dinner, maybe we could make this the anti-arrival
dinner? After all, they can do vegetarian! Or maybe make it the arrival
anti-dinner, for those who get in early enough for lunch. Mostly, I just
want an excuse to eat Mongolian barbecue! :D

~wolf



On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Walt Mankowski via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:29:50AM +0200, drforr--- via yapc wrote:
> > On 2015-05-19 10:18, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> > >On 05/19/2015 04:15 AM, drforr at pobox.com wrote:
> > >>On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> > >>>hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>>i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
> > >>>easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
> > >>>charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
> > >>>with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
> > >>>they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice.
> > >>>all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
> > >>>differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
> > >>>en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
> > >>>page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
> > >>>group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
> > >>>your own tab or table.
> > >>
> > >>+1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my
> known
> > >>weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own seasoning, an
> > >>additional +1 will be added :)
> > >
> > >as i said, boston has an american version with a giant round grill
> > >they cook all the food on. i have seen them in nyc and read about them
> > >elsewhere. it allows major customization of your meal(s).
> > > this one claims to have 17 sauces you choose from for the grill. if
> > >that is your own seasoning, they it is +1 for you.
> >
> > We shall see. Khan's is a legendary chain of Mongolian in Minneapolis,
> and I
> > dragged Walt M. to a Mongolian place I spotted in Dublin when he was
> there
> > :) I probably shouldn't reveal this on a public mailing list :) but the
> > trick is that chefs usually add water or sesame oil when the sauces
> you've
> > poured over your bowl evaporate, so you hand them a *second* bowl with
> > additional sauces, so you get better flavor.
>
> I enjoy a good Mongolian BBQ as much as the next guy [1], but all the
> places I've ever been to have been fairly small with only 1 or 2
> chefs. I'm worried how well this might scale up to several hundred
> people. Might well be awesome, of course, but make sure you give them
> a call to make sure they can handle it.
>
> Walt
>
> 1. So long as the next guy isn't Dr. Forr.
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From msouth at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:22:28 2015
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:22:28 -0500
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CAN6Gsf6ey+4zsrLLaLSdiKszkHyiqU8K1_+28XLLwnq3Dp43og@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 from me.

If we get enough consensus for this to be "it", someone should probably
warn the establishment, right?  Assuming we can get a guess of how large an
invasion it will be.  (I think at those establishments a large group is
called a "horde".)

mike

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Matt Finkel via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> $attendance++;  I'm gonna go for that _third_ sauce bowl.
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:29 AM, drforr--- via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-05-19 10:18, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/19/2015 04:15 AM, drforr at pobox.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-19 09:57, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> i have been scoping out the area's restaurants and found a possible
>>>>> easy place to do an arrival dinner with little fuss. it is called
>>>>> charlie chow's and they have a dragon grill setup. you fill a bowl
>>>>> with veggies noodles, meats and sauces and stuff from a food bar and
>>>>> they grill it for you. boston has a similar place called fire and ice.
>>>>> all you can eat setup as you can get new bowl and mix it up
>>>>> differently. it is only 4 blocks from the hotel so we can walk there
>>>>> en mass. any thoughts? i will wiki it up as a suggestion and signup
>>>>> page. i say 7pm and we leave at 6:30 from the hotel. this is not a
>>>>> group thing so i will not be selling tickets or anything. you cover
>>>>> your own tab or table.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 # "Dragon Grill" is also known as Mongolian barbecue, one of my
>>>> known weaknesses. If they (properly) allow you to do your own seasoning, an
>>>> additional +1 will be added :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> as i said, boston has an american version with a giant round grill
>>> they cook all the food on. i have seen them in nyc and read about them
>>> elsewhere. it allows major customization of your meal(s).
>>>  this one claims to have 17 sauces you choose from for the grill. if
>>> that is your own seasoning, they it is +1 for you.
>>>
>>
>> We shall see. Khan's is a legendary chain of Mongolian in Minneapolis,
>> and I dragged Walt M. to a Mongolian place I spotted in Dublin when he was
>> there :) I probably shouldn't reveal this on a public mailing list :) but
>> the trick is that chefs usually add water or sesame oil when the sauces
>> you've poured over your bowl evaporate, so you hand them a *second* bowl
>> with additional sauces, so you get better flavor.
>>
>>
>>
>>> uri
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matthew Finkel
> mfinkel.net
>
>
>
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From autarch at urth.org  Tue May 19 08:26:20 2015
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:26:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CALciv9GbxUdYdCX2UN7tHJWNccmsmHPMn41FTs+-x1Mi1xMjqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
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On Tue, 19 May 2015, Faelin McCaley Landy via yapc wrote:

> However, looking at the venue, they seem to have very limited seating (I'd estimated between 60 and 80 seats, maybe as many as 120). I tried to
> call, but got no answer, so I'll try again later. If the venue can't handle the load of a full arrival dinner, maybe we could make this the
> anti-arrival dinner? After all, they can do vegetarian! Or maybe make it the arrival anti-dinner, for those who get in early enough for lunch.
> Mostly, I just want an excuse to eat Mongolian barbecue! :D

As I'm organizing the anti-arrival dinner and I really don't like 
Mongolian BBQ, I suspect we won't be going there (at least I won't be). 
I've already identified a number of places nearby that are much more 
interesting to me - 
http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner


Cheers,

-dave

/*============================================================
http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
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From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Tue May 19 08:33:53 2015
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:33:53 +0200
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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+1 to that.

That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Dave Rolsky via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 May 2015, Faelin McCaley Landy via yapc wrote:
>
>  However, looking at the venue, they seem to have very limited seating
>> (I'd estimated between 60 and 80 seats, maybe as many as 120). I tried to
>> call, but got no answer, so I'll try again later. If the venue can't
>> handle the load of a full arrival dinner, maybe we could make this the
>> anti-arrival dinner? After all, they can do vegetarian! Or maybe make it
>> the arrival anti-dinner, for those who get in early enough for lunch.
>> Mostly, I just want an excuse to eat Mongolian barbecue! :D
>>
>
> As I'm organizing the anti-arrival dinner and I really don't like
> Mongolian BBQ, I suspect we won't be going there (at least I won't be).
> I've already identified a number of places nearby that are much more
> interesting to me -
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -dave
>
> /*============================================================
> http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
> Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
> ============================================================*/
>
>
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From autarch at urth.org  Tue May 19 08:35:28 2015
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:35:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_TUUVUEnqZmu-+_goLs6k2P8oabV6PR5PODP3TMCBNuPg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 19 May 2015, Sawyer X wrote:

> +1 to that.
> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place. Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.

FWIW, despite the name, mongolian BBQ is actually quite vegan-friendly. I 
just don't like the food.


-dave

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http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
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From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Tue May 19 08:38:22 2015
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:38:22 +0200
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1505191035020.17935@urth.org>
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"Vegan-friendly" is debatable. I have a problem with places that have very
strong odors. (Insert joke about my hygiene - or don't, please.)
A BBQ is usually something I would avoid altogether. The smell stays with
you too.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dave Rolsky via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 May 2015, Sawyer X wrote:
>
>  +1 to that.
>> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
>> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
>> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
>> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
>>
>
> FWIW, despite the name, mongolian BBQ is actually quite vegan-friendly. I
> just don't like the food.
>
>
>
> -dave
>
> /*============================================================
> http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
> Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
> ============================================================*/
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue May 19 08:42:50 2015
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:42:50 -0700
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com> (Uri Guttman via yapc's
	message of "Tue, 19 May 2015 03:57:30 -0400")
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <86iobomv45.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Uri" == Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> writes:

Uri> https://plus.google.com/118232509384740735547/about?hl=en&gl=us
Uri> http://www.yelp.com/biz/charlie-chows-dragon-grill-salt-lake-city-2

I'm good for this.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
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From abigail at abigail.be  Tue May 19 09:07:52 2015
From: abigail at abigail.be (Abigail)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 18:07:52 +0200
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:33:53PM +0200, Sawyer X via yapc wrote:
> +1 to that.
> 
> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
> 


Yeah, well, we've had an arrival dinner for years (2003 was the first
one, IIRC). Most (all?) have been organized by Uri, and while there 
have always been complaints, not many have stepped up and organized
an alternative -- Dave being the most notable exception.

I'd say the people that actually step up and organize an (Anti-)*Arrival
dinner get to pick the place. Don't like the location? Don't go. Know
about an awesome alternative? Pick up the phone, reserve some space
and announce your alternative on the Wiki/mailinglist.

I'm not going to YAPC for its awesome food options -- I'm there to
meet up with people. That's why I also go to the Arrival dinner, for
the people, not the food.

Having said that, a Mongolian BBQ probably accomodates more people than
many alternatives, as it gives you a wide range of food items to select
from. But most != everyone; giving the herd of cats Perl people are,
I doubt there exits a place that will accommodate every one.


Abigail

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 09:35:47 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:35:47 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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On 05/19/2015 12:07 PM, Abigail via yapc wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:33:53PM +0200, Sawyer X via yapc wrote:
>> +1 to that.
>>
>> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
>> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
>> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
>> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
>>
>
> Yeah, well, we've had an arrival dinner for years (2003 was the first
> one, IIRC). Most (all?) have been organized by Uri, and while there
> have always been complaints, not many have stepped up and organized
> an alternative -- Dave being the most notable exception.

the first arrival dinner i attended was in pittsburgh but it wasn't 
labeled as such or announced in general. i first organized one 
(impromptu) at boca raton (an all you can eat sushi place - what year 
was that?). i have organized them many of the years since then. 
sometimes with help from the yapc team, sometimes like this at the last 
second. and i have no problem with dave's anti-arrival gang and 
attendees can do whatever they want sunday night.
> I'm not going to YAPC for its awesome food options -- I'm there to
> meet up with people. That's why I also go to the Arrival dinner, for
> the people, not the food.
>
that is the whole reason i do this, to get yapc attendees together for a 
social time before it gets all crazy during the actual conference.

thanx,

uri

From yaakov at perlfoundation.org  Tue May 19 09:40:50 2015
From: yaakov at perlfoundation.org (Ya'akov Sloman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:40:50 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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For many years I have attended the arrival dinner even if I could only sometimes eat some of the food on offer. It's a social event, but it's not a plenary. Dave's alternative offers another choice, and yet others could be organized (as Abigail points out).

I think perhaps the idea of "anti" is outdated. One of the salient features of the Perl community (shared by many other "communities") is that there are many affinity groups of varying sizes all in orbit around Perl, and sharing that as a cohesive force.  Plenary events are nice, but universality isn't an organic sort of thing.  Having many different options that can be comfortable events for the different sorts of people is good.

Dave's event is organized (largely) on dietary principles. Other events could have other organizing principles if people feel drawn to them.

In the end, not everyone "arrives" in time for the "Arrival Dinner", and not everyone choosing to join the "anti-Arrival Dinner" is dissenting.  I will be with Dave this year, but it's not because I am against Uri's event; a genuine YAPC tradition.  All sincere expressions of community should be welcome and, from my perspective most certainly are something I will advocate for; even if I don't participate.

Let's focus on the commonality, not the differences ? that's actually the sustaining strength of YAPC, a community conference.

I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE,
Ya'akov

> On May 19, 2015, at 12:07, Abigail via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:33:53PM +0200, Sawyer X via yapc wrote:
>> +1 to that.
>> 
>> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
>> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
>> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
>> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
>> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, well, we've had an arrival dinner for years (2003 was the first
> one, IIRC). Most (all?) have been organized by Uri, and while there 
> have always been complaints, not many have stepped up and organized
> an alternative -- Dave being the most notable exception.
> 
> I'd say the people that actually step up and organize an (Anti-)*Arrival
> dinner get to pick the place. Don't like the location? Don't go. Know
> about an awesome alternative? Pick up the phone, reserve some space
> and announce your alternative on the Wiki/mailinglist.
> 
> I'm not going to YAPC for its awesome food options -- I'm there to
> meet up with people. That's why I also go to the Arrival dinner, for
> the people, not the food.
> 
> Having said that, a Mongolian BBQ probably accomodates more people than
> many alternatives, as it gives you a wide range of food items to select
> from. But most != everyone; giving the herd of cats Perl people are,
> I doubt there exits a place that will accommodate every one.
> 
> 
> Abigail
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From yaakov at perlfoundation.org  Tue May 19 09:41:51 2015
From: yaakov at perlfoundation.org (Ya'akov Sloman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:41:51 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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For many years I have attended the arrival dinner even if I could only sometimes eat some of the food on offer. It's a social event, but it's not a plenary. Dave's alternative offers another choice, and yet others could be organized (as Abigail points out).

I think perhaps the idea of "anti" is outdated. One of the salient features of the Perl community (shared by many other "communities") is that there are many affinity groups of varying sizes all in orbit around Perl, and sharing that as a cohesive force.  Plenary events are nice, but universality isn't an organic sort of thing.  Having many different options that can be comfortable events for the different sorts of people is good.

Dave's event is organized (largely) on dietary principles. Other events could have other organizing principles if people feel drawn to them.

In the end, not everyone "arrives" in time for the "Arrival Dinner", and not everyone choosing to join the "anti-Arrival Dinner" is dissenting.  I will be with Dave this year, but it's not because I am against Uri's event; a genuine YAPC tradition.  All sincere expressions of community should be welcome and, from my perspective most certainly are something I will advocate for; even if I don't participate.

Let's focus on the commonality, not the differences ? that's actually the sustaining strength of YAPC, a community conference.

I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE,
Ya'akov

> On May 19, 2015, at 12:07, Abigail via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:33:53PM +0200, Sawyer X via yapc wrote:
>> +1 to that.
>> 
>> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
>> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
>> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
>> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
>> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, well, we've had an arrival dinner for years (2003 was the first
> one, IIRC). Most (all?) have been organized by Uri, and while there 
> have always been complaints, not many have stepped up and organized
> an alternative -- Dave being the most notable exception.
> 
> I'd say the people that actually step up and organize an (Anti-)*Arrival
> dinner get to pick the place. Don't like the location? Don't go. Know
> about an awesome alternative? Pick up the phone, reserve some space
> and announce your alternative on the Wiki/mailinglist.
> 
> I'm not going to YAPC for its awesome food options -- I'm there to
> meet up with people. That's why I also go to the Arrival dinner, for
> the people, not the food.
> 
> Having said that, a Mongolian BBQ probably accomodates more people than
> many alternatives, as it gives you a wide range of food items to select
> from. But most != everyone; giving the herd of cats Perl people are,
> I doubt there exits a place that will accommodate every one.
> 
> 
> Abigail
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 10:00:56 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:00:56 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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On 05/19/2015 12:40 PM, Ya'akov Sloman via yapc wrote:
>
> Dave's event is organized (largely) on dietary principles. Other events could have other organizing principles if people feel drawn to them.
>
> In the end, not everyone "arrives" in time for the "Arrival Dinner", and not everyone choosing to join the "anti-Arrival Dinner" is dissenting.  I will be with Dave this year, but it's not because I am against Uri's event; a genuine YAPC tradition.  All sincere expressions of community should be welcome and, from my perspective most certainly are something I will advocate for; even if I don't participate.
>
>
even when the arrival dinner had good veggie/vegan choices the 
anti-dinner had happened. according to dave it is as much about the 
smaller crowd as it is the food choice. and i am fine with it. herding 
100 perl hackers at a dinner is not easy, especially those times where i 
had to collect payment and even worse when i had to pass the hat as we 
under-collected. also the 'anti' prefix was always a joke and i still 
take it that way. it was never a social comment but more like an 
anti-proton. which means if the arrival and anti-arrival dinners ever 
collide, we can make warp speed engines!

uri

From toddr at cpanel.net  Tue May 19 10:01:12 2015
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:01:12 -0500
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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> On May 19, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Ya'akov Sloman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> For many years I have attended the arrival dinner even if I could only sometimes eat some of the food on offer. It's a social event, but it's not a plenary. Dave's alternative offers another choice, and yet others could be organized (as Abigail points out).
> 

Austin had like 6 arrival dinners if I remember the mailing list correctly :). There's nothing new about it. 

From the wiki:

The Arrival Dinner (Hula Hut)
The Anti-Arrival Dinner (The Clay Pit)
The Anti-Anti-Arrival Dinner (Mother's Cafe & Garden)
Procrastinators Arrival Dinner (Rudy's BBQ)




From hank.sola at gmail.com  Tue May 19 10:50:56 2015
From: hank.sola at gmail.com (Hank Sola)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:50:56 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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I'm a freegan vegan locavore.

I only eat locally grown organic vegetables that have been discarded (not including carnivorous plants).  

Anyone interested in an arrival dumpster feast?

-Hank

> On May 19, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Todd Rinaldo via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 19, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Ya'akov Sloman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> For many years I have attended the arrival dinner even if I could only sometimes eat some of the food on offer. It's a social event, but it's not a plenary. Dave's alternative offers another choice, and yet others could be organized (as Abigail points out).
> 
> Austin had like 6 arrival dinners if I remember the mailing list correctly :). There's nothing new about it. 
> 
> From the wiki:
> 
> The Arrival Dinner (Hula Hut)
> The Anti-Arrival Dinner (The Clay Pit)
> The Anti-Anti-Arrival Dinner (Mother's Cafe & Garden)
> Procrastinators Arrival Dinner (Rudy's BBQ)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From ribasushi at cpan.org  Tue May 19 11:17:54 2015
From: ribasushi at cpan.org (Peter Rabbitson)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 20:17:54 +0200
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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On 05/19/2015 07:50 PM, Hank Sola via yapc wrote:
> I'm a freegan vegan locavore.
>
> I only eat locally grown organic vegetables that have been discarded (not including carnivorous plants).
>
> Anyone interested in an arrival dumpster feast?

/me, will bring a +1.


From autarch at urth.org  Tue May 19 11:35:34 2015
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:35:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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On Tue, 19 May 2015, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:

> the first arrival dinner i attended was in pittsburgh but it wasn't labeled 
> as such or announced in general. i first organized one (impromptu) at boca 
> raton (an all you can eat sushi place - what year was that?). i have 
> organized them many of the years since then. sometimes with help from the 
> yapc team, sometimes like this at the last second. and i have no problem with 
> dave's anti-arrival gang and attendees can do whatever they want sunday 
> night.

Yes, the reason for the anti-dinner is as much about the size of the group 
as it is the venue. That said, I like picking where I'm going to eat, 
because I'm a huge food snob. The "anti-" has always been a joke, and is 
not intended to reflect any actual opposition to the arrival dinner. If 
people really dislike it, I'm happy to rename to the wiki page. Maybe we 
can call it AltArrivalDinner or something like that?


-dave

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From yaakov at perlfoundation.org  Tue May 19 12:08:23 2015
From: yaakov at perlfoundation.org (Ya'akov Sloman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:08:23 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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Dave:

I know you well enough to know that you intend nothing negative with the "anti-" prefix. If there is any reason to change it, it is to make clear that to people that don't know this isn't a genuinely "anti-" event.

As communities grow, inside jokes become more obscure and intent more occult.  I don't think that renaming is a necessity, but evolution is a good thing and if you feel it's a positive change, I'd say go for it.

Ya'akov

> On May 19, 2015, at 14:35, Dave Rolsky via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 19 May 2015, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> 
>> the first arrival dinner i attended was in pittsburgh but it wasn't labeled as such or announced in general. i first organized one (impromptu) at boca raton (an all you can eat sushi place - what year was that?). i have organized them many of the years since then. sometimes with help from the yapc team, sometimes like this at the last second. and i have no problem with dave's anti-arrival gang and attendees can do whatever they want sunday night.
> 
> Yes, the reason for the anti-dinner is as much about the size of the group as it is the venue. That said, I like picking where I'm going to eat, because I'm a huge food snob. The "anti-" has always been a joke, and is not intended to reflect any actual opposition to the arrival dinner. If people really dislike it, I'm happy to rename to the wiki page. Maybe we can call it AltArrivalDinner or something like that?
> 
> 
> -dave
> 
> /*============================================================
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> ============================================================*/
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From bslaabs at ucdavis.edu  Tue May 19 12:15:04 2015
From: bslaabs at ucdavis.edu (Brent Laabs)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:15:04 -0700
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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If we renamed the Anti-Arrival Dinner to the Alt Arrival Dinner, then we'll
have to rename the Arrival Dinner to the Anti-Alt Arrival Dinner.

Seriously, the meaning of the dinners was absolutely clear the first time I
came to YAPC.  And also Mongolian sounds good for me too.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ya'akov Sloman via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
wrote:

> Dave:
>
> I know you well enough to know that you intend nothing negative with the
> "anti-" prefix. If there is any reason to change it, it is to make clear
> that to people that don't know this isn't a genuinely "anti-" event.
>
> As communities grow, inside jokes become more obscure and intent more
> occult.  I don't think that renaming is a necessity, but evolution is a
> good thing and if you feel it's a positive change, I'd say go for it.
>
> Ya'akov
>
> > On May 19, 2015, at 14:35, Dave Rolsky via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 May 2015, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> >
> >> the first arrival dinner i attended was in pittsburgh but it wasn't
> labeled as such or announced in general. i first organized one (impromptu)
> at boca raton (an all you can eat sushi place - what year was that?). i
> have organized them many of the years since then. sometimes with help from
> the yapc team, sometimes like this at the last second. and i have no
> problem with dave's anti-arrival gang and attendees can do whatever they
> want sunday night.
> >
> > Yes, the reason for the anti-dinner is as much about the size of the
> group as it is the venue. That said, I like picking where I'm going to eat,
> because I'm a huge food snob. The "anti-" has always been a joke, and is
> not intended to reflect any actual opposition to the arrival dinner. If
> people really dislike it, I'm happy to rename to the wiki page. Maybe we
> can call it AltArrivalDinner or something like that?
> >
> >
> > -dave
> >
> > /*============================================================
> > http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
> > Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
> > ============================================================*/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From faelin.landy at gmail.com  Tue May 19 12:17:22 2015
From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:17:22 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CAAPDpBy+p37MygHXdncAh3jYhQXtvnf-sko+6O60=o-RLNhJ+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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And this is a why I prefer the term "arrival anti-dinner". Add to the
obfuscation!

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Brent Laabs via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> If we renamed the Anti-Arrival Dinner to the Alt Arrival Dinner, then
> we'll have to rename the Arrival Dinner to the Anti-Alt Arrival Dinner.
>
> Seriously, the meaning of the dinners was absolutely clear the first time
> I came to YAPC.  And also Mongolian sounds good for me too.
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ya'akov Sloman via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dave:
>>
>> I know you well enough to know that you intend nothing negative with the
>> "anti-" prefix. If there is any reason to change it, it is to make clear
>> that to people that don't know this isn't a genuinely "anti-" event.
>>
>> As communities grow, inside jokes become more obscure and intent more
>> occult.  I don't think that renaming is a necessity, but evolution is a
>> good thing and if you feel it's a positive change, I'd say go for it.
>>
>> Ya'akov
>>
>> > On May 19, 2015, at 14:35, Dave Rolsky via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 19 May 2015, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>> >
>> >> the first arrival dinner i attended was in pittsburgh but it wasn't
>> labeled as such or announced in general. i first organized one (impromptu)
>> at boca raton (an all you can eat sushi place - what year was that?). i
>> have organized them many of the years since then. sometimes with help from
>> the yapc team, sometimes like this at the last second. and i have no
>> problem with dave's anti-arrival gang and attendees can do whatever they
>> want sunday night.
>> >
>> > Yes, the reason for the anti-dinner is as much about the size of the
>> group as it is the venue. That said, I like picking where I'm going to eat,
>> because I'm a huge food snob. The "anti-" has always been a joke, and is
>> not intended to reflect any actual opposition to the arrival dinner. If
>> people really dislike it, I'm happy to rename to the wiki page. Maybe we
>> can call it AltArrivalDinner or something like that?
>> >
>> >
>> > -dave
>> >
>> > /*============================================================
>> > http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
>> > Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
>> > ============================================================*/
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > yapc mailing list
>> > yapc at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 13:26:58 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:26:58 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <555B7E52.2050809@cpan.org>
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On 05/19/2015 02:17 PM, Peter Rabbitson via yapc wrote:
> On 05/19/2015 07:50 PM, Hank Sola via yapc wrote:
>> I'm a freegan vegan locavore.
>>
>> I only eat locally grown organic vegetables that have been discarded 
>> (not including carnivorous plants).
>>
>> Anyone interested in an arrival dumpster feast?
>
> /me, will bring a +1.

is this serious? not objecting, and i know about gleaning and food 
waste. just wondering if this is intended to be a 'real' dinner or 
another joke like anti-?

uri

From hank.sola at gmail.com  Tue May 19 14:56:41 2015
From: hank.sola at gmail.com (Hank Sola)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:56:41 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <555B9C92.5040009@stemsystems.com>
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	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
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	<20150519142145.GA16712@mawode.com>
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Message-ID: <FA55236D-9CBF-479D-916F-92FF3AC63B97@gmail.com>

It was a joke :-)
I did not mean to offend any true vegans, freegans, locavores, dumpsters or Venus fly traps. 

-Hank

> On May 19, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 05/19/2015 02:17 PM, Peter Rabbitson via yapc wrote:
>>> On 05/19/2015 07:50 PM, Hank Sola via yapc wrote:
>>> I'm a freegan vegan locavore.
>>> 
>>> I only eat locally grown organic vegetables that have been discarded (not including carnivorous plants).
>>> 
>>> Anyone interested in an arrival dumpster feast?
>> 
>> /me, will bring a +1.
> 
> is this serious? not objecting, and i know about gleaning and food waste. just wondering if this is intended to be a 'real' dinner or another joke like anti-?
> 
> uri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From faelin.landy at gmail.com  Tue May 19 15:54:07 2015
From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 18:54:07 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <FA55236D-9CBF-479D-916F-92FF3AC63B97@gmail.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
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	<05d5584e32699d77ac5ef8d1f6cbe2ca@pobox.com>
	<20150519142145.GA16712@mawode.com>
	<CALciv9GbxUdYdCX2UN7tHJWNccmsmHPMn41FTs+-x1Mi1xMjqQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20150519160752.GB5676@almanda.fritz.box>
	<9A7FEFBC-4A2D-40F6-951F-897C5E032140@perlfoundation.org>
	<8724A621-6BBE-494A-8AA7-87DAE17E4364@cpanel.net>
	<8D50BE1F-F19D-457F-83FF-55D250E61848@gmail.com>
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	<FA55236D-9CBF-479D-916F-92FF3AC63B97@gmail.com>
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I feel that I should insert here that I am an oxygenarian, and therefore
will be consuming only O2. Can anyone recommend a good oxygen bar in the
area?

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Hank Sola via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> It was a joke :-)
> I did not mean to offend any true vegans, freegans, locavores, dumpsters
> or Venus fly traps.
>
> -Hank
>
> > On May 19, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 05/19/2015 02:17 PM, Peter Rabbitson via yapc wrote:
> >>> On 05/19/2015 07:50 PM, Hank Sola via yapc wrote:
> >>> I'm a freegan vegan locavore.
> >>>
> >>> I only eat locally grown organic vegetables that have been discarded
> (not including carnivorous plants).
> >>>
> >>> Anyone interested in an arrival dumpster feast?
> >>
> >> /me, will bring a +1.
> >
> > is this serious? not objecting, and i know about gleaning and food
> waste. just wondering if this is intended to be a 'real' dinner or another
> joke like anti-?
> >
> > uri
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue May 19 16:06:42 2015
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:06:42 -0700
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <FA55236D-9CBF-479D-916F-92FF3AC63B97@gmail.com> (Hank Sola via
	yapc's message of "Tue, 19 May 2015 17:56:41 -0400")
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>>>>> "Hank" == Hank Sola via yapc <yapc at pm.org> writes:

Hank> It was a joke :-)
Hank> I did not mean to offend any true vegans, freegans, locavores, dumpsters or
Hank> Venus fly traps.

I'm offended!  I'm anti-dumpster... because the housingly-challenged
need some source of nutrition!  What Would Obama Do?

:-)

-- 
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<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue May 19 16:07:17 2015
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:07:17 -0700
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CALciv9EuO4S9qhJk1DNuYpZT2Vipu=bmMamRjyQup4Ws2Cc53Q@mail.gmail.com>
	(Faelin McCaley Landy via yapc's message of "Tue, 19 May 2015 18:54:07
	-0400")
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	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
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>>>>> "Faelin" == Faelin McCaley Landy via yapc <yapc at pm.org> writes:

Faelin> I feel that I should insert here that I am an oxygenarian, and
Faelin> therefore will be consuming only O2. Can anyone recommend a good
Faelin> oxygen bar in the area?

Don't know of any oxygen bars, but I could come up with some iron bars,
if you're in to that.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig

From bslaabs at ucdavis.edu  Tue May 19 16:22:38 2015
From: bslaabs at ucdavis.edu (Brent Laabs)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:22:38 -0700
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <86h9r8kvyy.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
	<185655853011cae1bac17150a5917108@pobox.com>
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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Randal L. Schwartz via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
wrote:

> Don't know of any oxygen bars, but I could come up with some iron bars,
> if you're in to that.
>

How about a milk bar; does anyone know where I could take me droogs?  That
would be horrorshow.

And people wonder why the mundanes mass unsubscribed from this list last
year.



> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777
> 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig
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From faelin.landy at gmail.com  Tue May 19 16:29:01 2015
From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:29:01 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <86h9r8kvyy.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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	<8D50BE1F-F19D-457F-83FF-55D250E61848@gmail.com>
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I appreciate the irony in that statement.

;D

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Randal L. Schwartz via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
wrote:

> >>>>> "Faelin" == Faelin McCaley Landy via yapc <yapc at pm.org> writes:
>
> Faelin> I feel that I should insert here that I am an oxygenarian, and
> Faelin> therefore will be consuming only O2. Can anyone recommend a good
> Faelin> oxygen bar in the area?
>
> Don't know of any oxygen bars, but I could come up with some iron bars,
> if you're in to that.
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777
> 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue May 19 16:30:19 2015
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:30:19 -0700
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CALciv9FKZxo5pr_RKEJt3TxGAzKHRRhNJfhZqRuPtqw7+_=qhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>> "Faelin" == Faelin McCaley Landy <faelin.landy at gmail.com> writes:

Faelin> I appreciate the irony in that statement.

And yet you steel had to respond?

:-)
-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig

From msouth at gmail.com  Tue May 19 16:59:28 2015
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 18:59:28 -0500
Subject: arrival dinner idea
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_Tn0ahvpUbt6-iC1=m2Y5Zct7bf2YomHbpqVJVaxQoyxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <555AECEA.2090803@stemsystems.com>
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>I have a problem with places that have very strong odors.

How are you able to attend any tech gathering?

...I'll show myself out. :)

mike


On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sawyer X via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:

> "Vegan-friendly" is debatable. I have a problem with places that have very
> strong odors. (Insert joke about my hygiene - or don't, please.)
> A BBQ is usually something I would avoid altogether. The smell stays with
> you too.
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dave Rolsky via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 19 May 2015, Sawyer X wrote:
>>
>>  +1 to that.
>>> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
>>> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally anyone), I
>>> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
>>> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
>>>
>>
>> FWIW, despite the name, mongolian BBQ is actually quite vegan-friendly. I
>> just don't like the food.
>>
>>
>>
>> -dave
>>
>> /*============================================================
>> http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
>> Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
>> ============================================================*/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
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From msouth at gmail.com  Tue May 19 17:04:05 2015
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:04:05 -0500
Subject: arrival dinner idea
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tl;dr  There Is More Than One Way To Dinner

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Ya'akov Sloman via yapc <yapc at pm.org>
wrote:

> For many years I have attended the arrival dinner even if I could only
> sometimes eat some of the food on offer. It's a social event, but it's not
> a plenary. Dave's alternative offers another choice, and yet others could
> be organized (as Abigail points out).
>
> I think perhaps the idea of "anti" is outdated. One of the salient
> features of the Perl community (shared by many other "communities") is that
> there are many affinity groups of varying sizes all in orbit around Perl,
> and sharing that as a cohesive force.  Plenary events are nice, but
> universality isn't an organic sort of thing.  Having many different options
> that can be comfortable events for the different sorts of people is good.
>
> Dave's event is organized (largely) on dietary principles. Other events
> could have other organizing principles if people feel drawn to them.
>
> In the end, not everyone "arrives" in time for the "Arrival Dinner", and
> not everyone choosing to join the "anti-Arrival Dinner" is dissenting.  I
> will be with Dave this year, but it's not because I am against Uri's event;
> a genuine YAPC tradition.  All sincere expressions of community should be
> welcome and, from my perspective most certainly are something I will
> advocate for; even if I don't participate.
>
> Let's focus on the commonality, not the differences ? that's actually the
> sustaining strength of YAPC, a community conference.
>
> I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE,
> Ya'akov
>
> > On May 19, 2015, at 12:07, Abigail via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:33:53PM +0200, Sawyer X via yapc wrote:
> >> +1 to that.
> >>
> >> That's actually why I won't go to the Arrival Dinner in the first place.
> >> Having a wide range of people for the Arrival Dinner (literally
> anyone), I
> >> would have hoped people would opt for a place that accommodates as many
> >> people as possible while a grill place accommodates only some.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yeah, well, we've had an arrival dinner for years (2003 was the first
> > one, IIRC). Most (all?) have been organized by Uri, and while there
> > have always been complaints, not many have stepped up and organized
> > an alternative -- Dave being the most notable exception.
> >
> > I'd say the people that actually step up and organize an (Anti-)*Arrival
> > dinner get to pick the place. Don't like the location? Don't go. Know
> > about an awesome alternative? Pick up the phone, reserve some space
> > and announce your alternative on the Wiki/mailinglist.
> >
> > I'm not going to YAPC for its awesome food options -- I'm there to
> > meet up with people. That's why I also go to the Arrival dinner, for
> > the people, not the food.
> >
> > Having said that, a Mongolian BBQ probably accomodates more people than
> > many alternatives, as it gives you a wide range of food items to select
> > from. But most != everyone; giving the herd of cats Perl people are,
> > I doubt there exits a place that will accommodate every one.
> >
> >
> > Abigail
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 18:25:17 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:25:17 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner wiki is up
Message-ID: <555BE27D.6020804@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i spoke to the manager of charlie chow's and we are set for the arrival 
dinner. the wiki page is now up so sign up here:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner

note: we are limited to 50 seats there so signup now before you get 
locked out and have to go foraging in dumpsters! :)

thanx,

uri

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 19 23:30:37 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 02:30:37 -0400
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
Message-ID: <555C2A0D.9070303@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i am glad the list got some volume finally. i think i saw a mention that 
yapc registrants are not automatically added to this list. if so, i 
think that is a mistake. everyone has email. i don't stick my face into 
a book nor am i a twit. if email was good enough for edison, it is fine 
with me!

anyhoo, i just wanted to make sure i can reach and annoy all yapc people 
and not only those who want to be annoyed.

so correct my understanding of this list if you can.

thanx,

uri

From jkeen at verizon.net  Wed May 20 04:29:49 2015
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 07:29:49 -0400
Subject: arrival dinner wiki is up
In-Reply-To: <555BE27D.6020804@stemsystems.com>
References: <555BE27D.6020804@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <555C702D.6090406@verizon.net>

On 05/19/2015 09:25 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i spoke to the manager of charlie chow's and we are set for the arrival
> dinner. the wiki page is now up so sign up here:
>
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner
>
> note: we are limited to 50 seats there so signup now before you get
> locked out and have to go foraging in dumpsters! :)
>
> thanx,
>
> uri

Thank you, Uri, for once again taking the lead on this.

kid51


From genehack at genehack.org  Wed May 20 07:25:48 2015
From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 07:25:48 -0700
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
In-Reply-To: <555C2A0D.9070303@stemsystems.com>
References: <555C2A0D.9070303@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CABJ3DF969CXY-1SVkm9j6skERh0=r8fkapz2QAOUwFtB5+BVCQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:


> i am glad the list got some volume finally. i think i saw a mention that
> yapc registrants are not automatically added to this list.


Attendees are no longer automatically added to this list. That was a
decision made based on the overwhelming preference of past attendees. There
is an announcement-only list that people are still added to, but it is
intended for very infrequent usage, involving critical announcements that
really do need to go to everybody attending. (And before you ask, no, the
arrival dinner arrangements don't, IMO, qualify as "critical".)

(Also, as somebody who sees the subscribe/unsubscribe notifications, I can
tell you the frequency of the latter are directly correlated with the
posting volume on the list. Seeing quite a few of them in the past couple
days...)

anyhoo, i just wanted to make sure i can reach and annoy all yapc people
> and not only those who want to be annoyed.
>

You're currently only reaching people that have not yet opted out of being
annoyed by you. You'll have to wait until you're in SLC for the opportunity
to annoy all YAPC people.

chrs,
john,
yapc list mom and general purveyor of informations
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From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed May 20 09:04:30 2015
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:04:30 -0500
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
In-Reply-To: <CABJ3DF969CXY-1SVkm9j6skERh0=r8fkapz2QAOUwFtB5+BVCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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> On May 20, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John SJ Anderson via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org <mailto:yapc at pm.org>> wrote:
>  
> i am glad the list got some volume finally. i think i saw a mention that yapc registrants are not automatically added to this list.
> 
> Attendees are no longer automatically added to this list. That was a decision made based on the overwhelming preference of past attendees. There is an announcement-only list that people are still added to, but it is intended for very infrequent usage, involving critical announcements that really do need to go to everybody attending. (And before you ask, no, the arrival dinner arrangements don't, IMO, qualify as "critical".)

To follow on to john's explanation,

I maintain the script that auto-subscribes people to the announce mailing list. The script will add someone to the list if
1. They've never been added in the past
2. They've registered for the current YAPCNA in ACT.

They get the following email template when they are added to the announce mailing list.

-------

As a result of having registered for YAPC 2015 in Salt Lake City, UT, you have been added to the <announce email addy here> mailing list. This list is used to disseminate information about the upcoming conference. We will send you no more than 1 email per day with information you can use to better plan your trip.

If you also want to communicate with your fellow attendees, the following unofficial list exists which you can optionally choose to join. The list becomes significantly more active as YAPC approaches: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

Finally, if you don?t want these announcements you can click on the link below to immediately unsubscribe.

http://mail.pm.org/mailman/options/yapc/${email_fourty}?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1

------

I do see people join the yapc at pm.org mailing list when I run the script so I know we are getting joiners from that procedure.

Before you ask, no I won't share the code publicly because the script is trivial and totally useless without the data file of all the emails previously added. It also requires admin access to the YAPCNA ACT instance and the mailing list. It would be inappropriate for me to share the email list. 

Hope that helps,
Todd
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 20 09:22:45 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:22:45 -0400
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
In-Reply-To: <CABJ3DF969CXY-1SVkm9j6skERh0=r8fkapz2QAOUwFtB5+BVCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05/20/2015 10:25 AM, John SJ Anderson via yapc wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org 
> <mailto:yapc at pm.org>> wrote:
>
>     i am glad the list got some volume finally. i think i saw a
>     mention that yapc registrants are not automatically added to this
>     list. 
>
>
> Attendees are no longer automatically added to this list. That was a 
> decision made based on the overwhelming preference of past attendees. 
> There is an announcement-only list that people are still added to, but 
> it is intended for very infrequent usage, involving critical 
> announcements that really do need to go to everybody attending. (And 
> before you ask, no, the arrival dinner arrangements don't, IMO, 
> qualify as "critical".)

bah, humbug! then how is one to communicate with the attendees? the 
dinner stuff may be the only threads now but in the past there were 
plenty of yapc related discussions. how would you publicize an event or 
a bof or discuss some scandalous breaking of rules?
>
> (Also, as somebody who sees the subscribe/unsubscribe notifications, I 
> can tell you the frequency of the latter are directly correlated with 
> the posting volume on the list. Seeing quite a few of them in the past 
> couple days...)

wow. and those who unsubscribe want to be at yapc with even more noise 
but less communication?

are yapc attendees really using facebook and twitter vs mail these days? 
proprietary locked in systems vs an open and free one? yow.

uri
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From larryl at emailplus.org  Wed May 20 09:31:52 2015
From: larryl at emailplus.org (Larry Leszczynski)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 10:31:52 -0600
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
In-Reply-To: <555CB4D5.2000503@stemsystems.com>
References: <555C2A0D.9070303@stemsystems.com>
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On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> wow. and those who unsubscribe want to be at yapc with even more noise 
> but less communication?

Could be folks like me who attended in the past and are still on the
list but who cannot (unfortunately) attend this year.

Larry

From abigail at abigail.be  Wed May 20 09:37:31 2015
From: abigail at abigail.be (Abigail)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 18:37:31 +0200
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
In-Reply-To: <555CB4D5.2000503@stemsystems.com>
References: <555C2A0D.9070303@stemsystems.com>
	<CABJ3DF969CXY-1SVkm9j6skERh0=r8fkapz2QAOUwFtB5+BVCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20150520163731.GA5106@almanda.fritz.box>

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:22:45PM -0400, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> On 05/20/2015 10:25 AM, John SJ Anderson via yapc wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org  
>> <mailto:yapc at pm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     i am glad the list got some volume finally. i think i saw a
>>     mention that yapc registrants are not automatically added to this
>>     list. 
>>
>>
>> Attendees are no longer automatically added to this list. That was a  
>> decision made based on the overwhelming preference of past attendees.  
>> There is an announcement-only list that people are still added to, but  
>> it is intended for very infrequent usage, involving critical  
>> announcements that really do need to go to everybody attending. (And  
>> before you ask, no, the arrival dinner arrangements don't, IMO,  
>> qualify as "critical".)
>
> bah, humbug! then how is one to communicate with the attendees? the  
> dinner stuff may be the only threads now but in the past there were  
> plenty of yapc related discussions. how would you publicize an event or  
> a bof or discuss some scandalous breaking of rules?


Considering the mailing list is for *all* YAPC::NA's, I can appreciate
the unwillingness to automatically add people to the mailinglist. 
And I don't think running a different mailing list for each YAPC is
a valuable alternative either.

As for the examples you give, announcing events like BOFs that are part
of the conference belong on the conference schedule. Discussing scandalous
breaking of rules should not happen on a public mailing list.

Do realize that for almost anything you want to discuss, most attendees
will not be interested in. Even an arrival dinner with 150 people means
there are more people who won't be there (and the discussion only attracted
a handful of people -- for the majority of the people, a time and place
mentioned on the Wiki will be enough).


>> (Also, as somebody who sees the subscribe/unsubscribe notifications, I  
>> can tell you the frequency of the latter are directly correlated with  
>> the posting volume on the list. Seeing quite a few of them in the past  
>> couple days...)
>
> wow. and those who unsubscribe want to be at yapc with even more noise  
> but less communication?
>
> are yapc attendees really using facebook and twitter vs mail these days?  
> proprietary locked in systems vs an open and free one? yow.


The majority of the people don't care about that, and in practice, this
mailing list is as closed to them as Facebook or Twitter is: just because
the mailing list runs on free software doesn't mean the mailing list is
open to anyone. Except for a few admins, all one can do is subscribe and
post, but that's the same options Facebook and Twitter give you.




Abigail

From yapcna at vmbrasseur.com  Wed May 20 09:45:02 2015
From: yapcna at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:45:02 -0700
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
In-Reply-To: <555CB4D5.2000503@stemsystems.com>
References: <555C2A0D.9070303@stemsystems.com>	<CABJ3DF969CXY-1SVkm9j6skERh0=r8fkapz2QAOUwFtB5+BVCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05/20/2015 09:22 , Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> On 05/20/2015 10:25 AM, John SJ Anderson via yapc wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org
>> <mailto:yapc at pm.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Attendees are no longer automatically added to this list. That was a
>> decision made based on the overwhelming preference of past attendees.
>
> bah, humbug! then how is one to communicate with the attendees? the
> dinner stuff may be the only threads now but in the past there were
> plenty of yapc related discussions. how would you publicize an event or
> a bof or discuss some scandalous breaking of rules?

Well, if one is an organizer then one uses the announcement list. If one 
isn't an organizer then it's likely safe to assume that what one has to 
communicate may not be of general interest to all attendees. And if it 
IS, then one works through the organizers to have information 
communicated. As well?

Events and BoFs are easily publicized on the wiki. As is dinner. 
Granted, I think that the organizers could do a far better job of 
directing attendees toward the wiki, both before and during the event, 
but it's still the best way to share ad hoc events and information.

The scandalous breaking of rules is not fit subject matter for a public 
mailing list. The organizers will handle rule breakers how they deem 
best. If you wish to muckrake, there's undoubtedly an IRC channel to 
which you can turn.

>> (Also, as somebody who sees the subscribe/unsubscribe notifications, I
>> can tell you the frequency of the latter are directly correlated with
>> the posting volume on the list. Seeing quite a few of them in the past
>> couple days...)
>
> wow. and those who unsubscribe want to be at yapc with even more noise
> but less communication?

This does not parse.

> are yapc attendees really using facebook and twitter vs mail these days?
> proprietary locked in systems vs an open and free one? yow.

Is it necessary to pass judgment on attendees in this way? You cannot 
will your market to communicate in your preferred method. You must speak 
their language. If that language is Facebook and Twitter, so be it. You 
can still extol the virtues of openness via proprietary systems.

Sent from my MacBook, BTW.

--V

From dan at dwright.org  Wed May 20 10:17:32 2015
From: dan at dwright.org (Daniel Wright)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:17:32 -0400
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
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> On May 20, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> bah, humbug! then how is one to communicate with the attendees? the dinner stuff may be the only threads now but in the past there were plenty of yapc related discussions. how would you publicize an event or a bof or discuss some scandalous breaking of rules? 

Post it to the wiki.

We?ll make sure an announcement goes out next week reminding everybody to check the wiki for last minute updates and participant-organized events.

-Dan

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From genehack at genehack.org  Wed May 20 11:17:02 2015
From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:17:02 -0700
Subject: is this list still a main thing?
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Just as a datapoint, four people have unsubscribed from the list since this
thread started.

I would suggest that, if people want to maintain this list as a way to
informally communicate about stuff at YAPC, maybe keeping it relatively
on-topic about stuff at YAPC would maybe be a good way to minimize this
trend.

chrs,
john.
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From dha at pobox.com  Thu May 21 21:13:03 2015
From: dha at pobox.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 00:13:03 -0400
Subject: good movie night
In-Reply-To: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
References: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20150522041303.GA8759@panix.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 04:34:17AM -0400, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> i am sure dave adler will be running some form of bad movie night. maybe one
> about a shark getting zapped by FOO rays and becoming the president of cuba!
> :)

I'll be bringing movies, as I'm sure will drforr. Any chance of making
this an official part of the conference again? I like that because it
means I don't have to find a room for it. :-)

> but if you recall, i selected a pretty well received double feature in
> austin, the president's analyst and the court jester. we won't be getting
> theater but we may be able to get a room with a projector (well, we can
> ask). my suggestion is a pair of noir like flicks. the first is a great
> british spy story set in london in the 60's and starring michael caine
> called the ipcress file. this is what james bond should have been and
> without the gadgets. the other is a modern classic that deserves to be seen
> multiple tiles, chinatown. it has jack nicholson at his peak alongside the
> dazzling fay dunaway as the femme fatale. 1000 whose line points to anyone
> that can actually explain the evil plot run by john huston!
> 
> any interest in these two? of course i would have to ask dave to
> benevolently acquire the dvd's for these (i am sure he must have chinatown
> already! :).

Oddly, I own neither of these. I might get them before the conference.
If that doesn't happen, though, I will certainly have other "good" films
on hand. I have a decent sized hard drive,and I'm not afraid to use it!

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Truth for authority, not authority for truth!
	- Lucretia Mott

From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 21 21:37:04 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 00:37:04 -0400
Subject: good movie night
In-Reply-To: <20150522041303.GA8759@panix.com>
References: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/22/2015 12:13 AM, David H. Adler via yapc wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 04:34:17AM -0400, Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> i am sure dave adler will be running some form of bad movie night. maybe one
>> about a shark getting zapped by FOO rays and becoming the president of cuba!
>> :)
> I'll be bringing movies, as I'm sure will drforr. Any chance of making
> this an official part of the conference again? I like that because it
> means I don't have to find a room for it. :-)
that would be good but i can't do anything. maybe the powers that be can 
get a movie room?

>> but if you recall, i selected a pretty well received double feature in
>> austin, the president's analyst and the court jester. we won't be getting
>> theater but we may be able to get a room with a projector (well, we can
>> ask). my suggestion is a pair of noir like flicks. the first is a great
>> british spy story set in london in the 60's and starring michael caine
>> called the ipcress file. this is what james bond should have been and
>> without the gadgets. the other is a modern classic that deserves to be seen
>> multiple tiles, chinatown. it has jack nicholson at his peak alongside the
>> dazzling fay dunaway as the femme fatale. 1000 whose line points to anyone
>> that can actually explain the evil plot run by john huston!
>>
>> any interest in these two? of course i would have to ask dave to
>> benevolently acquire the dvd's for these (i am sure he must have chinatown
>> already! :).
> Oddly, I own neither of these. I might get them before the conference.
> If that doesn't happen, though, I will certainly have other "good" films
> on hand. I have a decent sized hard drive,and I'm not afraid to use it!
>
well, i would be up for watching either or both given time, energy and 
your bringing them on your disk!

uri

From dan at dwright.org  Fri May 22 16:54:32 2015
From: dan at dwright.org (Daniel Wright)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:54:32 -0400
Subject: good movie night
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	<20150522041303.GA8759@panix.com>
	<555EB270.7000603@stemsystems.com>
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> On May 22, 2015, at 12:37 AM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> that would be good but i can't do anything. maybe the powers that be can get a movie room?

We can see about getting you the Arizona room on an evening, but no promises at this point.   All the room orders have already been made.    I need to know days and times that you would need the room.    

-Dan

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From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 22 18:49:21 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 21:49:21 -0400
Subject: good movie night
In-Reply-To: <CA7C13AD-72EE-48A9-B11A-5EC92CF9189B@dwright.org>
References: <555AF589.6020801@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/22/2015 07:54 PM, Daniel Wright wrote:
>
>> On May 22, 2015, at 12:37 AM, Uri Guttman via yapc <yapc at pm.org 
>> <mailto:yapc at pm.org>> wrote:
>>
>> that would be good but i can't do anything. maybe the powers that be 
>> can get a movie room?
>
> We can see about getting you the Arizona room on an evening, but no 
> promises at this point.   All the room orders have already been made. 
>    I need to know days and times that you would need the room.
>
>
that would be more up to dave than me. iirc last year it was during and 
after the games/buffet night. the main thing is that it can (and will) 
run late into the early hours. that may be an issue for the hotel. 
sometimes that hasn't been an issue but it depends on the venue.

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From dan at dwright.org  Sat May 23 11:29:22 2015
From: dan at dwright.org (Daniel Wright)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:29:22 -0400
Subject: good movie night
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> On May 22, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> 
> that would be more up to dave than me. iirc last year it was during and after the games/buffet night. the main thing is that it can (and will) run late into the early hours. that may be an issue for the hotel. sometimes that hasn't been an issue but it depends on the venue.

Okay, the sooner I have dates and times, the better.

I can tell you that the Arizona room is already booked on Tuesday evening from 8pm until 10:30pm for the Perl 6 tutorial.

-Dan


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From uri at stemsystems.com  Sat May 23 13:21:55 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 16:21:55 -0400
Subject: good movie night
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On 05/23/2015 02:29 PM, Daniel Wright wrote:
>
>> On May 22, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com 
>> <mailto:uri at stemsystems.com>> wrote:
>>
>> that would be more up to dave than me. iirc last year it was during 
>> and after the games/buffet night. the main thing is that it can (and 
>> will) run late into the early hours. that may be an issue for the 
>> hotel. sometimes that hasn't been an issue but it depends on the venue.
>
> Okay, the sooner I have dates and times, the better.
>
> I can tell you that the Arizona room is already booked on Tuesday 
> evening from 8pm until 10:30pm for the Perl 6 tutorial.
>
i would propose monday night and it could/should run very late like 
2-4am depending on how many cats are watching and sleeping. dave adler 
should chime in here as well.

uri
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Sat May 23 20:06:42 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 23:06:42 -0400
Subject: Jobs Symposium wiki page is up
Message-ID: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>

Hi all,

of course this is the moment you have been waiting for!! yes, the wiki 
page for the perl jobs symposium is up and waiting for you to add to it. 
go here to sign up (limited seating) and post questions/topics:

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=JobsSymposium

if you are a hiring manager or in hr, would you like to help lead this 
symposium?


that page isn't linked from anywhere else yet. i don't see right place 
to put it - any suggestions? can whoever manages the schedule page make 
it link to this wiki page (or in addition to the existing link).

thanx,

uri

From yapcna at vmbrasseur.com  Mon May 25 22:33:13 2015
From: yapcna at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 22:33:13 -0700
Subject: Jobs Symposium wiki page is up
In-Reply-To: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>
References: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <55640599.6050906@vmbrasseur.com>

On 05/23/2015 20:06 , Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> if you are a hiring manager or in hr, would you like to help lead this
> symposium?

I'm not HR and don't even play one on TV, but I *am* a hiring manager. 
Furthermore, I do/have done a lot of freelance career coaching. 
Furtherfurthermore, two weeks after YAPC I'll be presenting "Care & 
Feeding of a Healthy Job Hunt" at Open Source Bridge. If people would 
like to see this at the Jobs Symposium I can have it prepared and 
practiced before I arrive: http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/1561

And, yeah, that way I get feedback on the talk before I present it at 
OSBridge, so everyone is a winner. ;-)

--V

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 26 00:02:14 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 03:02:14 -0400
Subject: Jobs Symposium wiki page is up
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References: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/26/2015 01:33 AM, VM Brasseur via yapc wrote:
> On 05/23/2015 20:06 , Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>> if you are a hiring manager or in hr, would you like to help lead this
>> symposium?
>
> I'm not HR and don't even play one on TV, but I *am* a hiring manager. 
> Furthermore, I do/have done a lot of freelance career coaching. 
> Furtherfurthermore, two weeks after YAPC I'll be presenting "Care & 
> Feeding of a Healthy Job Hunt" at Open Source Bridge. If people would 
> like to see this at the Jobs Symposium I can have it prepared and 
> practiced before I arrive: http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/1561
>
> And, yeah, that way I get feedback on the talk before I present it at 
> OSBridge, so everyone is a winner. ;-)

hi vm,

ok, you are on the 'panel'! add something to the wiki page about your 
hiring manager experience.

thanx,

uri

From yapcna at vmbrasseur.com  Tue May 26 08:55:35 2015
From: yapcna at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 08:55:35 -0700
Subject: Jobs Symposium wiki page is up
In-Reply-To: <55641A76.9060005@stemsystems.com>
References: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>	<55640599.6050906@vmbrasseur.com>
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On 05/26/2015 00:02 , Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
> ok, you are on the 'panel'!

HRM. I may have spoke too soon. I had thought my talk was on Tuesday, 
but it appears it's actually at 10AM on Wednesday.

So I can still participate in the symposium, but it probably won't be 
until around noon.

What do you think of that idea?

--V

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 26 16:31:13 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:31:13 -0400
Subject: Jobs Symposium wiki page is up
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References: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>	<55640599.6050906@vmbrasseur.com>	<55641A76.9060005@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/26/2015 11:55 AM, VM Brasseur via yapc wrote:
> On 05/26/2015 00:02 , Uri Guttman via yapc wrote:
>> ok, you are on the 'panel'!
>
> HRM. I may have spoke too soon. I had thought my talk was on Tuesday, 
> but it appears it's actually at 10AM on Wednesday.
>
> So I can still participate in the symposium, but it probably won't be 
> until around noon.
>
> What do you think of that idea?

well, considering the lunch break starts at noon and your talk slot ends 
at 10:50, i think you have ample time! :)

i will put you on the wiki page as a panelist. give me a 1 liner about 
your hiring manager role (what company, how many do you hire? perl or not? )

thanx,

uri

From yapcna at vmbrasseur.com  Tue May 26 17:56:54 2015
From: yapcna at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:56:54 -0700
Subject: Jobs Symposium wiki page is up
In-Reply-To: <55650241.8020607@stemsystems.com>
References: <55614042.5010409@stemsystems.com>	<55640599.6050906@vmbrasseur.com>	<55641A76.9060005@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/26/2015 16:31 , Uri Guttman wrote:
> well, considering the lunch break starts at noon and your talk slot ends
> at 10:50, i think you have ample time! :)

Except that (1) there will be questions after my talk, (2) I really 
wanted to see gizmo & Tim's talks. But aside from that, sure! Tons of time!

> i will put you on the wiki page as a panelist. give me a 1 liner about
> your hiring manager role (what company, how many do you hire? perl or
> not? )

"Hiring manager" does not necessarily mean "currently hiring."

Please let me know once I'm on the wiki page & I'll add some explanatory 
text.

--V

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 26 20:26:43 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:26:43 -0400
Subject: sign up for events
Message-ID: <55653973.7050502@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

less than 2 weeks out to yapc::na and many of you haven't used the wiki 
much. this is a core yapc social media service so login and edit away.

there are arrival dinners with a large omnivorous party:

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner

and with a smaller veggie/vegan group:

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner

if this is overflowing your brain then you should lead or attend this 
dinner (you may be eating solo):

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ErrorStackOverflowArrivalDinner

There are BOF's on who knows what topics:

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=SuggestedBOFs

The perl jobs symposium now has a panel and people are signing up. there 
is limited seating so sign up early!

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=JobsSymposium

when are you arriving and leaving? use this page to let others know and 
maybe you can share rides or other transportation stuff:

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=ArrivalsAndDepartures

and this page is to let others know when you arrive and leave and where 
you are staying. roomsharing is one goal here:

     http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=WhoIsStayingWhere

if someone wants to forward this to the announce list, i wouldn't mind. :)

thanx,

uri

From uri at stemsystems.com  Sat May 30 11:02:44 2015
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 14:02:44 -0400
Subject: lunch in the hotel
Message-ID: <5569FB44.7080006@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i have been researching lunch options for the jobs symposium and here 
are the menus for the coffee shop. they do breakfast all day and have 
pretty much everything else you would want for lunch. prices are fair 
(not cheap but not expensive).

     http://saltlake.littleamerica.com/dining/coffee-shop
http://saltlake.littleamerica.com/public/files/LA_CoffeeShp_BreakfastMenu.pdf
http://saltlake.littleamerica.com/public/files/LA_CoffeeShp_LunchMenu.pdf

the lucky H bar and grille has a lunch buffet and lunch at the bar

     http://saltlake.littleamerica.com/dining/luckyhbarandgrille
http://saltlake.littleamerica.com/public/files/Lucky%20H%20Day%20Bar%20menu.pdf

i spoke to the manager of the coffee shop and you can call or drop in 
during the 10:50 break and preorder a lunch for pickup at noon. so if 
you plan to attend the jobs symposium and want to eat in the idaho room 
you can do that. he even suggested you order room service which will 
deliver to the idaho room and have full service. not sure if that will 
be disruptive or what.

you can signup for the symposium here:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/wiki?node=JobsSymposium

i will be putting up this info on the wiki soon.

thanx,

uri