From rkingperl at sharpsaw.org  Sun May  5 20:00:17 2013
From: rkingperl at sharpsaw.org (=?UTF-8?B?4piIa2luZw==?=)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 22:00:17 -0500
Subject: A Place to Stay
Message-ID: <51871CC1.5070904@sharpsaw.org>

Hi all.

I live in Buda, TX, and will have a 4 bedroom house mostly-empty (except 
for a few who've already expressed interest in staying).

I'll have a minivan for transportation to/from the conference, and extra 
parking in case someone wants to rent a vehicle.

Feel free to contact me on this list, on a private email, on IRC as 
rking @ Freenode, or at 806-368-2965.

-?

From admin at yapcna.org  Tue May  7 09:52:04 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:52:04 -0700
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
Message-ID: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>

The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas is
now live:
https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000

The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night each
person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name in
your registration form to register as roommates.

They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
and check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be
able to arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on
the form.

Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with one
other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining
facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk
from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
information.

There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30 minutes
for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
capmetro airport shuttle for more information.

Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
cancellation fee.

They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively suspect
means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many have
registered under our group:
https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/

We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
arrangements made.

FYI:  latest conference registration graphic: http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png

More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.

See you there!

-YAPC::NA 2013 Austin

PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:

> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>
> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
> showers were less than great.
>
> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
> people at one time.
>
> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
> looks like now:
>
> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>
> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
> twins.
>
> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
> rooms.
>
> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
> knows where things stand.
>
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From casey at geeknest.com  Tue May  7 10:06:21 2013
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:06:21 -0400
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFsi71=X0R44+Zj2h-=9pJCS+BXPSydd71P=spixqYxWXcqwpg@mail.gmail.com>

If I intend to share a room with someone, so I need to get a single,
but we don't have the same gender... what do I put for gender? It's a
required field.

Thanks,
Casey

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas is
> now live:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
>
> The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night each
> person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name in
> your registration form to register as roommates.
>
> They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2, and
> check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be able to
> arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on the form.
>
> Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with one
> other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining
> facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk
> from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
> information.
>
> There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30 minutes
> for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
> capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
>
> Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
> cancellation fee.
>
> They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively suspect
> means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many have
> registered under our group:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
>
> We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
> it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
> arrangements made.
>
> FYI:  latest conference registration graphic: http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
>
> More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
> needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
>
> See you there!
>
> -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
>
> PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>
>> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>>
>> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
>> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
>> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
>> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
>> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
>> showers were less than great.
>>
>> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
>> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
>> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
>> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
>> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
>> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
>> people at one time.
>>
>> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
>> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
>> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
>> looks like now:
>>
>> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
>> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
>> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
>> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
>> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
>> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>>
>> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
>> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
>> twins.
>>
>> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
>> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
>> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
>> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
>> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
>> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
>> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
>> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
>> rooms.
>>
>> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
>> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
>> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
>> knows where things stand.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From admin at yapcna.org  Tue May  7 10:09:02 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 10:09:02 -0700
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CAFsi71=X0R44+Zj2h-=9pJCS+BXPSydd71P=spixqYxWXcqwpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFsi71=X0R44+Zj2h-=9pJCS+BXPSydd71P=spixqYxWXcqwpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALC=KULMRvbGWY42qPqQNBva1NQv2HGqTLD=u0cvD-6-N8onsw@mail.gmail.com>

We were chatting about this on #yapc just now... my recommendation is to
submit the same arbitrary gender, or find another "co-ed" "couple" you can
"swap" "with" after arrival. :)


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Casey West <casey at geeknest.com> wrote:

> If I intend to share a room with someone, so I need to get a single,
> but we don't have the same gender... what do I put for gender? It's a
> required field.
>
> Thanks,
> Casey
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> > The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas
> is
> > now live:
> >
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
> >
> > The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
> each
> > person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name in
> > your registration form to register as roommates.
> >
> > They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
> and
> > check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be able
> to
> > arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on the
> form.
> >
> > Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with
> one
> > other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining
> > facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk
> > from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
> > information.
> >
> > There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30
> minutes
> > for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
> > capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
> >
> > Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
> > cancellation fee.
> >
> > They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
> suspect
> > means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many have
> > registered under our group:
> > https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
> >
> > We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
> > it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
> > arrangements made.
> >
> > FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
> http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
> >
> > More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
> > needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
> >
> > See you there!
> >
> > -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
> >
> > PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
> >>
> >> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
> >> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
> >> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
> >> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
> >> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
> >> showers were less than great.
> >>
> >> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
> >> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
> >> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
> >> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
> >> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
> >> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
> >> people at one time.
> >>
> >> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
> >> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
> >> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
> >> looks like now:
> >>
> >> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
> >> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
> >> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
> >> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
> >> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
> >> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
> >>
> >> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
> >> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
> >> twins.
> >>
> >> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
> >> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
> >> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
> >> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
> >> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
> >> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
> >> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
> >> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
> >> rooms.
> >>
> >> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
> >> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
> >> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
> >> knows where things stand.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From casey at geeknest.com  Tue May  7 10:10:55 2013
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:10:55 -0400
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KULMRvbGWY42qPqQNBva1NQv2HGqTLD=u0cvD-6-N8onsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFsi71=X0R44+Zj2h-=9pJCS+BXPSydd71P=spixqYxWXcqwpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALC=KULMRvbGWY42qPqQNBva1NQv2HGqTLD=u0cvD-6-N8onsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFsi71npQsMbDif2GSFC1+F7hevgkb669fUkFg7WQ2OPkp2Mqw@mail.gmail.com>

Understood. Then I'll register as female and see what happens when we
get there. :-)

- Casey

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> We were chatting about this on #yapc just now... my recommendation is to
> submit the same arbitrary gender, or find another "co-ed" "couple" you can
> "swap" "with" after arrival. :)
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Casey West <casey at geeknest.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I intend to share a room with someone, so I need to get a single,
>> but we don't have the same gender... what do I put for gender? It's a
>> required field.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Casey
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
>> > The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas
>> > is
>> > now live:
>> >
>> > https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
>> >
>> > The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
>> > each
>> > person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name
>> > in
>> > your registration form to register as roommates.
>> >
>> > They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
>> > and
>> > check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be able
>> > to
>> > arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on the
>> > form.
>> >
>> > Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with
>> > one
>> > other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are
>> > dining
>> > facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short
>> > walk
>> > from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
>> > information.
>> >
>> > There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30
>> > minutes
>> > for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
>> > capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
>> >
>> > Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a
>> > $50
>> > cancellation fee.
>> >
>> > They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
>> > suspect
>> > means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many have
>> > registered under our group:
>> > https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
>> >
>> > We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
>> > it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
>> > arrangements made.
>> >
>> > FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
>> > http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
>> >
>> > More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
>> > needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
>> >
>> > See you there!
>> >
>> > -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
>> >
>> > PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>> >>
>> >> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
>> >> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
>> >> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
>> >> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
>> >> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
>> >> showers were less than great.
>> >>
>> >> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
>> >> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
>> >> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
>> >> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
>> >> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
>> >> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
>> >> people at one time.
>> >>
>> >> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
>> >> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
>> >> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
>> >> looks like now:
>> >>
>> >> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
>> >> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
>> >> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
>> >> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
>> >> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
>> >> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>> >>
>> >> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
>> >> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
>> >> twins.
>> >>
>> >> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
>> >> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
>> >> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
>> >> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
>> >> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
>> >> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
>> >> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
>> >> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
>> >> rooms.
>> >>
>> >> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
>> >> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
>> >> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
>> >> knows where things stand.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > yapc mailing list
>> > yapc at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From diakopter at gmail.com  Tue May  7 10:15:14 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 10:15:14 -0700
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CAFsi71npQsMbDif2GSFC1+F7hevgkb669fUkFg7WQ2OPkp2Mqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFsi71=X0R44+Zj2h-=9pJCS+BXPSydd71P=spixqYxWXcqwpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALC=KULMRvbGWY42qPqQNBva1NQv2HGqTLD=u0cvD-6-N8onsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFsi71npQsMbDif2GSFC1+F7hevgkb669fUkFg7WQ2OPkp2Mqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGFO074YKY=t6MoL-BxLs=K37wLD2sAmjpq6cVW7QCyXdg@mail.gmail.com>

another option could be to register in the name of someone of the other
gender-stereotype-appearance who is not staying in the dorms and agrees to
pick up your key for you.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Casey West <casey at geeknest.com> wrote:

> Understood. Then I'll register as female and see what happens when we
> get there. :-)
>
> - Casey
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> > We were chatting about this on #yapc just now... my recommendation is to
> > submit the same arbitrary gender, or find another "co-ed" "couple" you
> can
> > "swap" "with" after arrival. :)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Casey West <casey at geeknest.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If I intend to share a room with someone, so I need to get a single,
> >> but we don't have the same gender... what do I put for gender? It's a
> >> required field.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Casey
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> >> > The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of
> Texas
> >> > is
> >> > now live:
> >> >
> >> >
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
> >> >
> >> > The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
> >> > each
> >> > person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name
> >> > in
> >> > your registration form to register as roommates.
> >> >
> >> > They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June
> 2,
> >> > and
> >> > check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be
> able
> >> > to
> >> > arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on the
> >> > form.
> >> >
> >> > Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with
> >> > one
> >> > other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are
> >> > dining
> >> > facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short
> >> > walk
> >> > from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
> >> > information.
> >> >
> >> > There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30
> >> > minutes
> >> > for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search
> austin
> >> > capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
> >> >
> >> > Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a
> >> > $50
> >> > cancellation fee.
> >> >
> >> > They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
> >> > suspect
> >> > means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many
> have
> >> > registered under our group:
> >> > https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
> >> >
> >> > We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and
> hope
> >> > it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
> >> > arrangements made.
> >> >
> >> > FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
> >> >
> >> > More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
> >> > needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
> >> >
> >> > See you there!
> >> >
> >> > -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
> >> >
> >> > PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
> >> >>
> >> >> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
> >> >> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
> >> >> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
> >> >> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had
> a
> >> >> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
> >> >> showers were less than great.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
> >> >> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out.
> I
> >> >> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
> >> >> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
> >> >> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
> >> >> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
> >> >> people at one time.
> >> >>
> >> >> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
> >> >> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
> >> >> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
> >> >> looks like now:
> >> >>
> >> >> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
> >> >> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
> >> >> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
> >> >> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
> >> >> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
> >> >> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
> >> >> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for
> 2
> >> >> twins.
> >> >>
> >> >> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
> >> >> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
> >> >> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
> >> >> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
> >> >> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
> >> >> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
> >> >> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If
> we
> >> >> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
> >> >> rooms.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
> >> >> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
> >> >> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so
> everyone
> >> >> knows where things stand.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > yapc mailing list
> >> > yapc at pm.org
> >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From diakopter at gmail.com  Tue May  7 10:18:44 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 10:18:44 -0700
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGEB6zOABrK4Yy=+=F+-2+ZruGVzu=P2Jd_GE3tncEoadw@mail.gmail.com>

Also, advertise your roommate availability on the wiki first (toward the
bottom of the URL below), and *then* email this list to let folks know
you're looking for a roommate, and remind folks of the link to the wiki, so
they can see if you've already removed yourself from the "available" list
once you agree (off-list please!) to be roommates with someone.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=WhoIsStayingWhere


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:52 AM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:

> The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas is
> now live:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
>
> The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
> each person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name
> in your registration form to register as roommates.
>
> They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
> and check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be
> able to arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on
> the form.
>
> Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with one
> other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining
> facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk
> from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
> information.
>
> There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30 minutes
> for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
> capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
>
> Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
> cancellation fee.
>
> They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
> suspect means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many
> have registered under our group:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
>
> We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
> it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
> arrangements made.
>
> FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
> http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
>
> More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
> needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
>
> See you there!
>
> -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
>
> PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
>
>> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>>
>> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
>> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
>> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
>> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
>> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
>> showers were less than great.
>>
>> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
>> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
>> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
>> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
>> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
>> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
>> people at one time.
>>
>> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
>> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
>> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
>> looks like now:
>>
>> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
>> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
>> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
>> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
>> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
>> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>>
>> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
>> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
>> twins.
>>
>> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
>> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
>> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
>> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
>> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
>> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
>> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
>> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
>> rooms.
>>
>> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
>> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
>> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
>> knows where things stand.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From admin at yapcna.org  Tue May  7 23:38:13 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 01:38:13 -0500
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
Message-ID: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Sign up and pay now for the Arrival Dinner

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner

Sunday Night June 2 at 7PM, we've booked a Palapa Party at the Hula
Hut. http://www.hulahut.com/ (Do it! Enable Flash; we know you want
to!) Located at The Lake Austin Dam, The Hula Hut is a unique Austin
experience and worth the short drive out of downtown to get to it.

We'll have our own area with its own alcohol bar for quick refills.
Alcohol is on your own dime. Fountain drinks are $3 with free refills.

Due to the size of previous arrival dinners, we had to get a buffet
style dinner for this. $23 dollars gets you a Fajita Bar, including
Hula Hut Signature Beef and Chicken Fajitas. For the vegan crowd,
there are also vegan fajitas. Queso, salsa and chips are served at the
table.

Next Door is a coffee house with some nice dessert options for you to
choose from, should you still have room in your belly when we're done
eating and drinking.

Sign Up

We've reserved a space that can seat 120. This year, we're going to
try requiring payment in advance via ACT to reserve your spot. If you
need to pay for more than 2 people, please just make an additional
donation via ACT for $23 x head count and email admin at yapcna.org. We
can also take credit cards for your additional head count when you get
there but it is easier for all concerned if you pay in advance via
ACT.

Fajitas:

Signature Beef, Chicken

Vegan Fajitas:

Tossed together in a plum sauce are: zucchini, squash, bell peppers,
mushrooms, sprouts, carrots

Additionally, everyone gets these, most of which are vegan:

flour and corn tortillas
rice (non-vegan)
beans
pico de gallo / guacamole / jalapenos
The chips and salsa on the table are also vegan

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Tue May  7 23:54:51 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 23:54:51 -0700
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>

Its nice that the Arrival Dinner has both the vegan and non-vegan options.  And 
so this year all the early arrivals can eat together rather than having to go to 
2 separate places (Arrival plus Anti-Arrival) as in prior years to get what kind 
of food they want. -- Darren Duncan


From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Wed May  8 02:00:40 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 12:00:40 +0300
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_TPmOzykOTV1Uz89ersKXSpZ58Mzjws+pLqWyVJq3bgWg@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed!

Score! :)


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net>wrote:

> Its nice that the Arrival Dinner has both the vegan and non-vegan options.
>  And so this year all the early arrivals can eat together rather than
> having to go to 2 separate places (Arrival plus Anti-Arrival) as in prior
> years to get what kind of food they want. -- Darren Duncan
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
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From autarch at urth.org  Wed May  8 07:16:56 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 09:16:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305080916280.11901@urth.org>

On Tue, 7 May 2013, Darren Duncan wrote:

> Its nice that the Arrival Dinner has both the vegan and non-vegan options. 
> And so this year all the early arrivals can eat together rather than having 
> to go to 2 separate places (Arrival plus Anti-Arrival) as in prior years to 
> get what kind of food they want. -- Darren Duncan

Historically, the anti-arrival dinner has been as much about just having a 
smaller group as having vegan food.


-dave

/*============================================================
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Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
============================================================*/

From jt at plainblack.com  Wed May  8 07:25:27 2013
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 09:25:27 -0500
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com>

Is there some transportation plan for this venue, or do we just grab a cab? 


On May 8, 2013, at 1:38 AM, YAPC NA wrote:

> Sign up and pay now for the Arrival Dinner
> 
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner
> 
> Sunday Night June 2 at 7PM, we've booked a Palapa Party at the Hula
> Hut. http://www.hulahut.com/ (Do it! Enable Flash; we know you want
> to!) Located at The Lake Austin Dam, The Hula Hut is a unique Austin
> experience and worth the short drive out of downtown to get to it.
> 
> We'll have our own area with its own alcohol bar for quick refills.
> Alcohol is on your own dime. Fountain drinks are $3 with free refills.
> 
> Due to the size of previous arrival dinners, we had to get a buffet
> style dinner for this. $23 dollars gets you a Fajita Bar, including
> Hula Hut Signature Beef and Chicken Fajitas. For the vegan crowd,
> there are also vegan fajitas. Queso, salsa and chips are served at the
> table.
> 
> Next Door is a coffee house with some nice dessert options for you to
> choose from, should you still have room in your belly when we're done
> eating and drinking.
> 
> Sign Up
> 
> We've reserved a space that can seat 120. This year, we're going to
> try requiring payment in advance via ACT to reserve your spot. If you
> need to pay for more than 2 people, please just make an additional
> donation via ACT for $23 x head count and email admin at yapcna.org. We
> can also take credit cards for your additional head count when you get
> there but it is easier for all concerned if you pay in advance via
> ACT.
> 
> Fajitas:
> 
> Signature Beef, Chicken
> 
> Vegan Fajitas:
> 
> Tossed together in a plum sauce are: zucchini, squash, bell peppers,
> mushrooms, sprouts, carrots
> 
> Additionally, everyone gets these, most of which are vegan:
> 
> flour and corn tortillas
> rice (non-vegan)
> beans
> pico de gallo / guacamole / jalapenos
> The chips and salsa on the table are also vegan
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From deb at eximiousproductions.com  Wed May  8 09:11:49 2013
From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 12:11:49 -0400
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <CAE3dWx8X+s5yy5wT-jDPxLT0J32CyhxsZrGw115v-5s9nunfqw@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be willing to share a cab with other folks who don't want to drive.
Deb


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM, JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> wrote:

> Is there some transportation plan for this venue, or do we just grab a cab?
>
>
> On May 8, 2013, at 1:38 AM, YAPC NA wrote:
>
> > Sign up and pay now for the Arrival Dinner
> >
> > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ArrivalDinner
> >
> > Sunday Night June 2 at 7PM, we've booked a Palapa Party at the Hula
> > Hut. http://www.hulahut.com/ (Do it! Enable Flash; we know you want
> > to!) Located at The Lake Austin Dam, The Hula Hut is a unique Austin
> > experience and worth the short drive out of downtown to get to it.
> >
> > We'll have our own area with its own alcohol bar for quick refills.
> > Alcohol is on your own dime. Fountain drinks are $3 with free refills.
> >
> > Due to the size of previous arrival dinners, we had to get a buffet
> > style dinner for this. $23 dollars gets you a Fajita Bar, including
> > Hula Hut Signature Beef and Chicken Fajitas. For the vegan crowd,
> > there are also vegan fajitas. Queso, salsa and chips are served at the
> > table.
> >
> > Next Door is a coffee house with some nice dessert options for you to
> > choose from, should you still have room in your belly when we're done
> > eating and drinking.
> >
> > Sign Up
> >
> > We've reserved a space that can seat 120. This year, we're going to
> > try requiring payment in advance via ACT to reserve your spot. If you
> > need to pay for more than 2 people, please just make an additional
> > donation via ACT for $23 x head count and email admin at yapcna.org. We
> > can also take credit cards for your additional head count when you get
> > there but it is easier for all concerned if you pay in advance via
> > ACT.
> >
> > Fajitas:
> >
> > Signature Beef, Chicken
> >
> > Vegan Fajitas:
> >
> > Tossed together in a plum sauce are: zucchini, squash, bell peppers,
> > mushrooms, sprouts, carrots
> >
> > Additionally, everyone gets these, most of which are vegan:
> >
> > flour and corn tortillas
> > rice (non-vegan)
> > beans
> > pico de gallo / guacamole / jalapenos
> > The chips and salsa on the table are also vegan
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From darren at darrenduncan.net  Wed May  8 10:49:00 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:49:00 -0700
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305080916280.11901@urth.org>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1305080916280.11901@urth.org>
Message-ID: <518A900C.6000403@darrenduncan.net>

On 2013.05.08 7:16 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 2013, Darren Duncan wrote:
>
>> Its nice that the Arrival Dinner has both the vegan and non-vegan options. And
>> so this year all the early arrivals can eat together rather than having to go
>> to 2 separate places (Arrival plus Anti-Arrival) as in prior years to get what
>> kind of food they want. -- Darren Duncan
>
> Historically, the anti-arrival dinner has been as much about just having a
> smaller group as having vegan food.
>
> -dave

Well, this way at least, the anti-arrival can still happen too, but then its 
just about the small group more than the diet, and people have greater freedom 
in general to choose either event. -- Darren Duncan


From autarch at urth.org  Wed May  8 11:56:41 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 13:56:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <518A900C.6000403@darrenduncan.net>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5189F6BB.2050608@darrenduncan.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1305080916280.11901@urth.org>
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On Wed, 8 May 2013, Darren Duncan wrote:

> Well, this way at least, the anti-arrival can still happen too, but then its 
> just about the small group more than the diet, and people have greater 
> freedom in general to choose either event. -- Darren Duncan

Well, it'll still be vegan-friendly if I organize it, which I will. It 
doesn't have to be at an actually vegetarian restaurant.

I made a wiki page for the anti-arrival dinner at 
http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner.

My impression based on past history is that many of the attendees come not 
because of dietary restrictions, but because they want a smaller group or 
the particular menu at the arrival dinner doesn't appeal to them.

If no one puts their name on the wiki, then it won't happen ;)


-dave

/*============================================================
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Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
============================================================*/

From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed May  8 12:00:56 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:00:56 -0500
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305081311500.11901@urth.org>
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On May 8, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 May 2013, Darren Duncan wrote:
> 
>> Well, this way at least, the anti-arrival can still happen too, but then its just about the small group more than the diet, and people have greater freedom in general to choose either event. -- Darren Duncan
> 
> Well, it'll still be vegan-friendly if I organize it, which I will. It doesn't have to be at an actually vegetarian restaurant.
> 
> I made a wiki page for the anti-arrival dinner at http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner.
> 
> My impression based on past history is that many of the attendees come not because of dietary restrictions, but because they want a smaller group or the particular menu at the arrival dinner doesn't appeal to them.
> 
> If no one puts their name on the wiki, then it won't happen ;)

I would have been saddened had nobody proposed an AntiArrivalDinner. Thanks for taking up the torch Dave!

From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Wed May  8 12:52:50 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 22:52:50 +0300
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <B04CCAE0-EC5E-4F74-BE49-263C92342506@cpanel.net>
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It might be a silly question, but do they have to coincide?


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:

> On May 8, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 8 May 2013, Darren Duncan wrote:
> >
> >> Well, this way at least, the anti-arrival can still happen too, but
> then its just about the small group more than the diet, and people have
> greater freedom in general to choose either event. -- Darren Duncan
> >
> > Well, it'll still be vegan-friendly if I organize it, which I will. It
> doesn't have to be at an actually vegetarian restaurant.
> >
> > I made a wiki page for the anti-arrival dinner at
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner.
> >
> > My impression based on past history is that many of the attendees come
> not because of dietary restrictions, but because they want a smaller group
> or the particular menu at the arrival dinner doesn't appeal to them.
> >
> > If no one puts their name on the wiki, then it won't happen ;)
>
> I would have been saddened had nobody proposed an AntiArrivalDinner.
> Thanks for taking up the torch Dave!
> _______________________________________________
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> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From autarch at urth.org  Wed May  8 12:57:52 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:57:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
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On Wed, 8 May 2013, Sawyer X wrote:

> It might be a silly question, but do they have to coincide?

Not that many people can eat two dinners like you, Sawyer ;)

But seriously, the point is to offer an alternative for people who want 
one. There is also the "go have dinner by yourself or with one friend" 
alternative too.


-dave

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Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
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From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Wed May  8 13:01:45 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 20:01:45 +0000
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
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On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:52:50PM +0300, Sawyer X wrote:
> It might be a silly question, but do they have to coincide?

Actually, there'll probably be an extra dinner consisting of late arrivals
and people who're trying to meet up with the late arrivals.

Possibly also because the anti arrival dinner venue looks like it'll be
crammed, which makes circulation harder, and there are some of us who
prefer smaller groups but also meat, which rules the anti dinner out :)

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Wed May  8 13:13:00 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 20:13:00 +0000
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <20130508200144.GG1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:01:45PM +0000, Matt S Trout wrote:
> Possibly also because the anti arrival dinner venue looks like it'll be

                            ^main

(doh)

-- 
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From autarch at urth.org  Wed May  8 13:13:42 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:13:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <20130508200144.GG1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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On Wed, 8 May 2013, Matt S Trout wrote:

> On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:52:50PM +0300, Sawyer X wrote:
>> It might be a silly question, but do they have to coincide?
>
> Actually, there'll probably be an extra dinner consisting of late arrivals
> and people who're trying to meet up with the late arrivals.
>
> Possibly also because the anti arrival dinner venue looks like it'll be
> crammed, which makes circulation harder, and there are some of us who
> prefer smaller groups but also meat, which rules the anti dinner out :)

As I've said in previous emails, there's no rule that the anti dinner be 
at a vegetarian restaurant. It wasn't for the last two years.


-dave

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Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
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From bluefeet at gmail.com  Wed May  8 14:28:08 2013
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:28:08 -0700
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
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The dorm registration form states that the price is 210/105 not 70/35.
 Should I just go ahead and book the room anyway since this is probably
just a glitch?

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013, YAPC NA wrote:

> The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas is
> now live:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
>
> The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
> each person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name
> in your registration form to register as roommates.
>
> They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
> and check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be
> able to arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on
> the form.
>
> Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with one
> other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining
> facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk
> from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
> information.
>
> There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30 minutes
> for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
> capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
>
> Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
> cancellation fee.
>
> They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
> suspect means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many
> have registered under our group:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
>
> We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
> it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
> arrangements made.
>
> FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
> http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
>
> More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
> needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
>
> See you there!
>
> -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
>
> PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'admin at yapcna.org');>
> > wrote:
>
>> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>>
>> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
>> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
>> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
>> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
>> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
>> showers were less than great.
>>
>> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
>> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
>> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
>> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
>> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
>> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
>> people at one time.
>>
>> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
>> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
>> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
>> looks like now:
>>
>> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
>> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
>> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
>> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
>> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
>> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>>
>> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
>> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
>> twins.
>>
>> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
>> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
>> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
>> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
>> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
>> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
>> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
>> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
>> rooms.
>>
>> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
>> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
>> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
>> knows where things stand.
>>
>
>
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From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed May  8 14:37:15 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:37:15 -0500
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
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Aran, 

It's mostly a presentation issue. $35 x 3 nights is $105 and correct.



On May 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com> wrote:

> The dorm registration form states that the price is 210/105 not 70/35.  Should I just go ahead and book the room anyway since this is probably just a glitch?
> 
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013, YAPC NA wrote:
> The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas is now live: https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
> 
> The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night each person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name in your registration form to register as roommates.  
> 
> They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2, and check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be able to arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on the form.
> 
> Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with one other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more information.
> 
> There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30 minutes for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
> 
> Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50 cancellation fee.
> 
> They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively suspect means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many have registered under our group: https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
> 
> We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel arrangements made.
> 
> FYI:  latest conference registration graphic: http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
> 
> More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
> 
> See you there!
> 
> -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
> 
> PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
> 
> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
> showers were less than great.
> 
> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
> people at one time.
> 
> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
> looks like now:
> 
> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
> 
> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
> twins.
> 
> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
> rooms.
> 
> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
> knows where things stand.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

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From admin at yapcna.org  Wed May  8 14:37:59 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:37:59 -0500
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
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Sorry for the confusion; the 210/105 prices are for 3 nights of 70/35 per
night


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com> wrote:

> The dorm registration form states that the price is 210/105 not 70/35.
>  Should I just go ahead and book the room anyway since this is probably
> just a glitch?
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013, YAPC NA wrote:
>
>> The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas
>> is now live:
>> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
>>
>> The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
>> each person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name
>> in your registration form to register as roommates.
>>
>> They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
>> and check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be
>> able to arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on
>> the form.
>>
>> Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with
>> one other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are
>> dining facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short
>> walk from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
>> information.
>>
>> There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30
>> minutes for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search
>> austin capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
>>
>> Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
>> cancellation fee.
>>
>> They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
>> suspect means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many
>> have registered under our group:
>> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
>>
>> We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
>> it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
>> arrangements made.
>>
>> FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
>> http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
>>
>> More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
>> needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
>>
>> See you there!
>>
>> -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
>>
>> PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>
>>> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>>>
>>> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
>>> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
>>> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
>>> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
>>> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
>>> showers were less than great.
>>>
>>> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
>>> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
>>> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
>>> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
>>> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
>>> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
>>> people at one time.
>>>
>>> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
>>> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
>>> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
>>> looks like now:
>>>
>>> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
>>> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
>>> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
>>> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
>>> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
>>> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>>>
>>> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
>>> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
>>> twins.
>>>
>>> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
>>> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
>>> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
>>> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
>>> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
>>> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
>>> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
>>> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
>>> rooms.
>>>
>>> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
>>> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
>>> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
>>> knows where things stand.
>>>
>>
>>
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From adam at oktud.com  Wed May  8 18:48:04 2013
From: adam at oktud.com (Adam M Dutko)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 21:48:04 -0400
Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx8X+s5yy5wT-jDPxLT0J32CyhxsZrGw115v-5s9nunfqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KULV424nTgZo6ePqqeP2_6mNZ7iwBhTP=5BF+663_UB_Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com>
	<CAE3dWx8X+s5yy5wT-jDPxLT0J32CyhxsZrGw115v-5s9nunfqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <930023bad3e409d8ddbd9f74c820d37a@mail.oktud.com>

> I'd be willing to share a cab with other folks who don't want to 
> drive.
> Deb

I am renting a compact car that should fit three more people.

-- 
Enjoy Life!

-Adam

From chanda at unmack.com  Thu May  9 16:46:29 2013
From: chanda at unmack.com (chanda)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 16:46:29 -0700
Subject: available now: YAPC Austin dorm registration
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUKO2etTVPmywHca=XJVpjP-WaZNqkStMzN-4-=Dpn8Awg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAONWLi3b9ZgggBMTvQGXAU7Tg0EM3tzkjBWzRoJnk06FJbFTYw@mail.gmail.com>

fyi - In case anyone else was looking to do the same, they are unable to
accomodate for Sat night

chanda

---Forwarded Email

Thank you for your email.  Unfortunately, we are unable to provide housing
for the night of June 1.

Best Regards,****

Mikaela Young


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:52 AM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:

> The link to register for the on-campus dorms at the University of Texas is
> now live:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000
>
> The price is $70/night if you don't want/find a roommate, or $35/night
> each person if you do.  Each of you simply supplies the other person's name
> in your registration form to register as roommates.
>
> They are configured to accept reservations for arrival on Sunday June 2,
> and check-out on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.  However, you might be
> able to arrange an earlier arrival if you contact the email mentioned on
> the form.
>
> Each room either has its own bathroom or shares a larger bathroom with one
> other room.  The dorms are "co-ed" and air-conditioned.  There are dining
> facilities within or attached to the buildings, and they are a short walk
> from the conference venue.  Search UT Austin Jester Hall for more
> information.
>
> There is a shuttle from/to the airport to/from the campus every 30 minutes
> for $1, running from at least 8 am until 11 pm every day.  Search austin
> capmetro airport shuttle for more information.
>
> Payment is due at time of registration, and is refundable, but with a $50
> cancellation fee.
>
> They said there are "beds" for 58 available, which I conservatively
> suspect means there are 29 rooms reserved for us.  This link shows how many
> have registered under our group:
> https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/
>
> We regret the late availability and notice of this information, and hope
> it's not too late for you to get your expenses approved and travel
> arrangements made.
>
> FYI:  latest conference registration graphic:
> http://i.imgur.com/thGPMKb.png
>
> More information forthcoming about the arrival dinner and other things
> needing your attention and possibly needing your reaction.
>
> See you there!
>
> -YAPC::NA 2013 Austin
>
> PS. I'll update the yapcna.org website with this information soon.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM, YAPC NA <admin at yapcna.org> wrote:
>
>> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/48097285256/the-dorms
>>
>> We?ve had a lot of requests for information on the dorms. I apologize
>> we haven?t provided more. My first dorm experience was in Chicago
>> 2008. The rooms were miserable. Someone broke the water chillers
>> and/or turned them off. Because it was summer in Chicago, nobody had a
>> priority to fix the problem. The rooms were miserable and the group
>> showers were less than great.
>>
>> But it was a great time and I remember it fondly. The dorms had this
>> big open area where all the dorm halls joined and everyone hung out. I
>> remember Adam Kennedy arguing with Schwern for ?new_ok?. Thus the
>> change log entry: ?Adam Kennedy bribed me to add new_ok().  The price
>> was one DEFCON license key.? We hung out on really uncomfortable
>> chairs, watched bad movies, hacked, and played Zombie Flux with 15
>> people at one time.
>>
>> We do understand that the dorms are not just a ?Cheap option for
>> YAPC?. We?ve tried very hard this year to do what we could, but one
>> bad break after the other has reset the process on us. Here?s what it
>> looks like now:
>>
>> Somehow in spite of weekly inquiries, we?ve now been told that our
>> submissions were not received and we need to start the 2 week process
>> over to get the approval. This means we won?t hear anything until the
>> end of the month or 1 month out from the conference. There is still a
>> chance they?ll say NO. This makes it a little risky for us to
>> recommend you wait for the Dorms.
>>
>> If the dorms are allocated, they will be in the San Jacinto Residence
>> Hall. There will be no more than 50 rooms made available at ~$70 for 2
>> twins.
>>
>> People have different housing needs when they come to YAPC. Some need
>> to have the cheapest housing possible. Some frequent travelers prefer
>> the hotel chain they usually use. Others just want to be in the hotel
>> where everyone else plans to be. We?re very hesitant to recommend
>> anything we?ve not checked out. At the moment, YAPC has reserved a
>> block of 50 rooms at the Double Tree, which is very near the
>> conference. This might be a good choice for that group of folks. If we
>> fill this up soon, there?s a chance, we might be able to book more
>> rooms.
>>
>> You can also review and update Who is Staying Where on the wiki. This
>> should help you find where people are going to be. We?ll provide an
>> update on the dorms by next Wednesday one way or the other so everyone
>> knows where things stand.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From heath at perlfoundation.org  Fri May 10 15:44:36 2013
From: heath at perlfoundation.org (Heath Bair)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:44:36 -0400
Subject: 2014 Call for Location Deadline 5/15/2013
Message-ID: <CALsSwCcL-ZVc6kVx0wSdp7ttsMbLhPOJMza9-6LfpxiGctR3gw@mail.gmail.com>

This is just a heads up that the deadline for the 2014 Call For
Location is quickly approaching. (May 15th 2013).

http://news.perlfoundation.org/2013/02/yapcna2014-call-for-location.html

If you need more time or if you have any questions please let me know.

--
Heath Bair
Perl Foundation
Chairman Conferences Committee

From admin at yapcna.org  Sat May 11 13:04:10 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 13:04:10 -0700
Subject: get quotes for tables/chairs - help needed
Message-ID: <CALC=KUKRSjXgh8+z3fsV=GfjtLSp4TJOiKykjOYG_LgPHv+f7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi past & current & future yapc'ers,

If you'd like to help out with organizing this year's YAPC::NA in
Austin, I have a simple, small task that I'm looking to delegate to a
cheerful volunteer with some experience contacting companies for
quotes:

Solicit and obtain quotes from table/chair rental companies in Austin
for the Tues. dinner/game night.

The task is simple enough that you can work on it a bit then hand it
off to someone else if you run out of time to donate.  The
requirements are simple; reply to admin at yapcna.org offlist or contact
diakopter or toddr on #yapc (or /msg on freenode if you like).  More
than one person can help out if you don't mind some coordination
overhead.

We'd like you to research companies and advertised prices this weekend
and prepare a list of 5-10 you plan to call first thing Monday central
time.  Melissa already started the research and gave us some links to
start you off.  Most of these places seem to advertise their prices,
so getting a quote is really just a matter of confirming availability
and getting a bid to provide the service in writing including any
additional fees.

Thanks!

From admin at yapcna.org  Sun May 12 11:53:04 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:53:04 -0700
Subject: Last day for new sponsors - YAPC Austin
Message-ID: <CALC=KUJBB0Z8Wk_yufxvvftoKp8sy9-cjDXao348hK=gEnaciA@mail.gmail.com>

Tomorrow (Monday May 13) is the last day your company can become a
sponsor and also expect your logo to appear on the official attendee
t-shirt, simply due to the practicalities of finalizing the design and
ordering the shirts.

If you were considering sponsoring YAPC::NA this year, try to make a
decision today or tomorrow so you don't miss your opportunity for the
t-shirt logo.  However, you can still become a sponsor after then.

Also, sorear++ asked yesterday about getting a table at the job fair;
it's not too late for that, up to a certain number of additional
tables.  Contact admin at yapcna.org if you're interested.

A couple of other related items:

1) if your company would like to donate branded (or even non-branded!)
swag to be distributed to each attendee upon arrival, email
admin at yapcna.org with details.

2) if you're one of the three sponsors who hasn't sent your
black-on-white vector graphic of your logo for the t-shirt (printed
light-on-dark), you have a decreasing amount of remaining time...

Thanks!
-organizers

From fluhmann at gmail.com  Sun May 12 23:13:19 2013
From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 01:13:19 -0500
Subject: YAPC::NA 2013 - Rental cars
Message-ID: <CANJw_AZMQvDov9KUSPTmofTP7MvuBefXjV+ABODm4BE=rYHn9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just throwing this out there.  I haven't looked at the wiki, so if this
isn't there, someone can probably add it.

Silvercar - https://www.silvercar.com/#/

rent & return to airport
$75/day Audi A4 (only car they rent)

(new start-up in Austin)


Car2Go - https://www.car2go.com/en/austin/

$0.38/minute with membership
$35 one-time membership fee, if you're not already a member

(membership card takes a few days to arrive in the mail. Not sure if you
can get a card "same day" at the Austin office)

pick-up car from various places, return/park in any public parking location
(in the "home" area)


Cheers,
Jeremy
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From GMeece at algebraixdata.com  Mon May 13 08:49:20 2013
From: GMeece at algebraixdata.com (Greg Meece)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:49:20 +0000
Subject: YAPC::NA 2013 - Rental cars
In-Reply-To: <CANJw_AZMQvDov9KUSPTmofTP7MvuBefXjV+ABODm4BE=rYHn9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANJw_AZMQvDov9KUSPTmofTP7MvuBefXjV+ABODm4BE=rYHn9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF525028145@mako.adc.local>

I don't have any personal experience with Car2Go, but they are fairly ubiquitous downtown. Not sure about the airport, but I've never rented a car in Austin before (lived here the past 15 years).


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9601 Amberglen Blvd, Suite G-119
Austin, TX 78729
Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead
Phone: 512-651-5834 x.1127
www.algebraixdata.com<http://www.algebraixdata.com/>
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From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+gmeece=algebraixdata.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Fluhmann
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:13 AM
To: yapc
Subject: YAPC::NA 2013 - Rental cars

Just throwing this out there.  I haven't looked at the wiki, so if this isn't there, someone can probably add it.

Silvercar - https://www.silvercar.com/#/
rent & return to airport
$75/day Audi A4 (only car they rent)
(new start-up in Austin)

Car2Go - https://www.car2go.com/en/austin/
$0.38/minute with membership
$35 one-time membership fee, if you're not already a member
(membership card takes a few days to arrive in the mail. Not sure if you can get a card "same day" at the Austin office)
pick-up car from various places, return/park in any public parking location (in the "home" area)

Cheers,
Jeremy
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From admin at yapcna.org  Thu May 16 18:00:34 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 20:00:34 -0500
Subject: Dining at the YAPC 2013 Banquet
Message-ID: <CALC=KUK7e1rSxrz3ipidOuzQRC=eQHiGCU3Scx7sHyXXZNWr0w@mail.gmail.com>

YAPC NA Attendees,

We're just finalizing agreements for the YAPC 2013 banquet. It will
held on Tuesday, June 4 and be catered by Salt Lick BBQ.

They also will be catering a vegan option for those in need. In order
to assure we provide sufficient food at the banquet for the vegan
option, we're asking that you fill out this form to let us know your
needs.

http://goo.gl/hebEb

You only need to fill out this form if you plan to attend.

Thanks,
YAPC::NA Admin

From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 16 18:32:52 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:32:52 -0400
Subject: Dining at the YAPC 2013 Banquet
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KUK7e1rSxrz3ipidOuzQRC=eQHiGCU3Scx7sHyXXZNWr0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUK7e1rSxrz3ipidOuzQRC=eQHiGCU3Scx7sHyXXZNWr0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519588C4.7020805@stemsystems.com>

On 05/16/2013 09:00 PM, YAPC NA wrote:
> YAPC NA Attendees,
>
> We're just finalizing agreements for the YAPC 2013 banquet. It will
> held on Tuesday, June 4 and be catered by Salt Lick BBQ.
>
> They also will be catering a vegan option for those in need. In order
> to assure we provide sufficient food at the banquet for the vegan
> option, we're asking that you fill out this form to let us know your
> needs.

is there a menu for the catering? my wife is attending the banquet and 
wants to make sure she will enjoy it (omnivore but not spicy). a link to 
salt lick's site or a list of the items to the list will be fine.

thanx,

uri


From tshinnic at gmail.com  Thu May 16 19:44:14 2013
From: tshinnic at gmail.com (Thomas Shinnick)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:44:14 -0500
Subject: Dining at the YAPC 2013 Banquet
In-Reply-To: <519588C4.7020805@stemsystems.com>
References: <CALC=KUK7e1rSxrz3ipidOuzQRC=eQHiGCU3Scx7sHyXXZNWr0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<519588C4.7020805@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CAEfS-piaay2cHqNtWT_i4XbKvH4S+cnHDw0OczKBFt0v8aHGNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> On 05/16/2013 09:00 PM, YAPC NA wrote:
>
>> YAPC NA Attendees,
>>
>> We're just finalizing agreements for the YAPC 2013 banquet. It will
>> held on Tuesday, June 4 and be catered by Salt Lick BBQ.
>>
>> They also will be catering a vegan option for those in need. In order
>> to assure we provide sufficient food at the banquet for the vegan
>> option, we're asking that you fill out this form to let us know your
>> needs.
>>
>
> is there a menu for the catering? my wife is attending the banquet and
> wants to make sure she will enjoy it (omnivore but not spicy). a link to
> salt lick's site or a list of the items to the list will be fine.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
>
Here's the Salt Lick's catering start page.  Has a link to the normal
menu.  I'd think the catering will cover a good subset of items.
http://www.saltlickbbq.com/pages/catering.html

I've been able to eat there a number of times, even without being a native
Texan.  Though the food will make you wish you'd gotten here sooner... :-)

Depending on when your plane flights arrive, you can check out the Salt
Lick outlet within the airport.
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Sun May 19 22:40:33 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 01:40:33 -0400
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
Message-ID: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i am going to organize a perl jobs bof again this year. IMO last year's 
was a fun and useful meeting of about 10 perlers. the wiki page is:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF

it will be at lunch on tuesday june 4th. location TBD and will be 
announced soon. if you have a lunch suggestion email it here or add it 
to the wiki.

thanx,

uri

From bulk88 at hotmail.com  Mon May 20 01:32:24 2013
From: bulk88 at hotmail.com (bulk88)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 04:32:24 -0400
Subject: downtown austin hotels
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>

As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the 
Omni or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?

From parv at pair.com  Mon May 20 05:04:24 2013
From: parv at pair.com (parv at pair.com)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 02:04:24 -1000
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
In-Reply-To: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>
References: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20130520120424.GA1857@holstein.holy.cow>

D'oh ...

in message <5199B751.9030901 at stemsystems.com>,
wrote Uri Guttman thusly...
>
> i am going to organize a perl jobs bof again this year. IMO last
> year's was a fun and useful meeting of about 10 perlers. the wiki
> page is:
>
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF
>
> it will be at lunch on tuesday june 4th.
...

I surely had miscalculated on the dates of attendance (Jun 5-7) for
the job fair and the above event are both on Jun 4.


  - parv

-- 


From diakopter at gmail.com  Mon May 20 05:15:08 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 05:15:08 -0700
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
In-Reply-To: <20130520120424.GA1857@holstein.holy.cow>
References: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>
	<20130520120424.GA1857@holstein.holy.cow>
Message-ID: <06E62567-FD60-4CF1-8602-F797E33C22A7@gmail.com>

To be clear, the conf dates are June 3-5, with the job fair from 11 to 3 on Tuesday the 4th. So, Uri, maybe have the BoF Monday dinner instead, when the other BoFs would be advertised (and hopefully planned during the VIP meet/greet immediately preceding).

Sent from my beeper

On May 20, 2013, at 5:04 AM, parv at pair.com wrote:

> D'oh ...
> 
> in message <5199B751.9030901 at stemsystems.com>,
> wrote Uri Guttman thusly...
>> 
>> i am going to organize a perl jobs bof again this year. IMO last
>> year's was a fun and useful meeting of about 10 perlers. the wiki
>> page is:
>> 
>> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF
>> 
>> it will be at lunch on tuesday june 4th.
> ...
> 
> I surely had miscalculated on the dates of attendance (Jun 5-7) for
> the job fair and the above event are both on Jun 4.
> 
> 
>  - parv
> 
> -- 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon May 20 07:32:55 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 10:32:55 -0400
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
In-Reply-To: <06E62567-FD60-4CF1-8602-F797E33C22A7@gmail.com>
References: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>
	<20130520120424.GA1857@holstein.holy.cow>
	<06E62567-FD60-4CF1-8602-F797E33C22A7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519A3417.60809@stemsystems.com>

On 05/20/2013 08:15 AM, Matthew Wilson wrote:
> To be clear, the conf dates are June 3-5, with the job fair from 11
> to 3 on Tuesday the 4th. So, Uri, maybe have the BoF Monday dinner
> instead, when the other BoFs would be advertised (and hopefully
> planned during the VIP meet/greet immediately preceding).

monday lunch would be fine. i want the time/date set way in advance so 
attendees can schedule it. just telling people that evening is too tight 
IMO. i have updated the wiki pages.

thanx,

uri




From tracey at cpanel.net  Mon May 20 07:50:04 2013
From: tracey at cpanel.net (Tracey Clark)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:50:04 -0500
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
In-Reply-To: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>
References: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/20/2013 12:40 AM, Uri Guttman wrote:
> 
> i am going to organize a perl jobs bof again this year. IMO last
> year's was a fun and useful meeting of about 10 perlers. the wiki
> page is:
> 
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF

- From context, I understand this is job fair / job hunting related.
What I don't get is what BOF stands for? I didn't see that here or on
the link above.

- -- 
Tracey Clark
QA Department
cPanel, Inc.
http://www.cpanel.net
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From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Mon May 20 07:53:07 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 17:53:07 +0300
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
In-Reply-To: <519A381C.3010808@cpanel.net>
References: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com> <519A381C.3010808@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_SULz6T7N6gP4v7ghVPA_zLEhs=Sn-L+1XAR39-2nD=0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Tracey Clark <tracey at cpanel.net> wrote:

>
>
> On 05/20/2013 12:40 AM, Uri Guttman wrote:
> >
> > i am going to organize a perl jobs bof again this year. IMO last
> > year's was a fun and useful meeting of about 10 perlers. the wiki
> > page is:
> >
> > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF
>
> - From context, I understand this is job fair / job hunting related.
> What I don't get is what BOF stands for? I didn't see that here or on
> the link above.
>

BOF stands for "Birds of a Feather" (as in the phrase "birds of a feather
go together"), which means people who get together to discuss a common
interest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_%28computing%29
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From tracey at cpanel.net  Mon May 20 07:54:51 2013
From: tracey at cpanel.net (Tracey Clark)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:54:51 -0500
Subject: Perl Jobs BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_SULz6T7N6gP4v7ghVPA_zLEhs=Sn-L+1XAR39-2nD=0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5199B751.9030901@stemsystems.com> <519A381C.3010808@cpanel.net>
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On 05/20/2013 09:53 AM, Sawyer X wrote:

> 
> BOF stands for "Birds of a Feather" (as in the phrase "birds of a 
> feather go together"), which means people who get together to
> discuss a common interest. 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_%28computing%29

Ah, thanks for explaining. There were a lot of other entertaining
possibilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BoF

- -- 
Tracey Clark
QA Department
cPanel, Inc.
http://www.cpanel.net
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From rurban at x-ray.at  Mon May 20 10:59:34 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:59:34 -0500
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
there, $60/room.

Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
they are no indians involved.
Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
nearer)
See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html

The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/

From eric at cpanel.net  Mon May 20 11:04:31 2013
From: eric at cpanel.net (Eric)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:04:31 -0500
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D25AEAF-1243-4FE3-8CD4-ED7AD9003B6C@cpanel.net>

+1 on the extended stay. It's close to whole foods to buy groceries if you need to and pretty close to the event. 

Thanks!

--Eric



On May 20, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
> there, $60/room.
> 
> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
> they are no indians involved.
> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
> and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
> nearer)
> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
> 
> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
>> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Reini Urban
> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com  Mon May 20 11:12:01 2013
From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:12:01 -0400
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+Wnj1=KMFkDabP7FDN1UErhLv8VoZYU9x9Lodx4k8PuiWshg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry - when did a comment like this:

">> they are no indians involved.
>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good."

become acceptable?

Shame on you, Reini.

/bda

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
> there, $60/room.
>
> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
> they are no indians involved.
> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
> and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
> nearer)
> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
>
> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
>> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From nuba at fastmail.fm  Mon May 20 11:16:19 2013
From: nuba at fastmail.fm (Nuba Princigalli)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:16:19 -0300
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1369073779.30491.140661233423041.38914F28@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Mon, May 20, 2013, at 02:59 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
> they are no indians involved.
> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.

And here's -1 to the use of language that might imply a causal
relationship from "no indians involved" to "rooms are clean and smell
good".

And I'm only using "might imply" instead of "implies" because english is
neither my native nor second language.

-- 
Nuba R. Princigalli  nuba at pauleira.com  http://pauleira.com 
@nprincigalli
Discipline is not an end in itself, just a means to an end. - King
Crimson

From hesco at greens.org  Mon May 20 11:16:45 2013
From: hesco at greens.org (Hugh Esco)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <0D25AEAF-1243-4FE3-8CD4-ED7AD9003B6C@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <20130520181645.583BD804ED@mail.greens.org>

And rurban-- for the racist comment used to support your
recommendation.  I'd suggest that whatever our code of 
conduct might be for this event, that the ignorant comments 
below are uncalled for.

Hugh Esco

From: Eric <eric at cpanel.net>
Subject: Re: downtown austin hotels
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:04:31 -0500
To: Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at>

+1 on the extended stay. It's close to whole foods to buy 
groceries if you need to and pretty close to the event. 

Thanks!

--Eric



On May 20, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
> there, $60/room.
> 
> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
> they are no indians involved.
> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
> and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
> nearer)
> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
> 
> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
>> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Reini Urban
> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
_______________________________________________
yapc mailing list
yapc at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From rurban at x-ray.at  Mon May 20 11:26:51 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:26:51 -0500
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CAN+Wnj1ZHuBF2+ydLgKkNuKxUqwa8f8bpes9SK8sdwv2+P3_0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D25AEAF-1243-4FE3-8CD4-ED7AD9003B6C@cpanel.net>
	<CAN+Wnj1ZHuBF2+ydLgKkNuKxUqwa8f8bpes9SK8sdwv2+P3_0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DEHzc+eM1G09BXGuj8afb4L8m+nvmom6n-7irtopORHVQ@mail.gmail.com>

After reading my email, it looks bad, it looks somewhat racist.
Sorry, I was not talking about indians the people,
but about hotels led by indian management.
I meant to recommend staying away from them.
They are east of I35, in the north or south, the cheap hotels in Austin.

I like indian people. A lot. (I am also specialist in Bollywood movies)


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Bradley Andersen
<bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry - when did a comment like this:
>
> ">> they are no indians involved.
>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good."
>
> become acceptable?
>
> Shame on you, Reini.
>
> /bda
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Eric <eric at cpanel.net> wrote:
>> +1 on the extended stay. It's close to whole foods to buy groceries if you need to and pretty close to the event.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
>>
>>> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
>>> there, $60/room.
>>>
>>> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
>>> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
>>> they are no indians involved.
>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
>>> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
>>> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
>>> and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
>>> nearer)
>>> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
>>>
>>> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
>>>> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Reini Urban
>>> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/

From jesse at holdtheplan.com  Mon May 20 11:27:42 2013
From: jesse at holdtheplan.com (jesse at holdtheplan.com)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:27:42 -0600
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130520122742.17561c4vyhacbswu@holdtheplan.com>

Reini,

Instead of chastising you I am going to make a suggestion. Get out  
from behind your computer. Put on a backpack and travel for no less  
than two years living in hostels and staying with local families in  
every part of the world. I will be very surprised if after that, you  
are even able to form a thought like the one that has gotten you  
rebuked. What I feel for you is not anger but pity.


From dbest at qsii.com  Mon May 20 11:36:58 2013
From: dbest at qsii.com (Best, Danielle)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:36:58 +0000
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <20130520122742.17561c4vyhacbswu@holdtheplan.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130520122742.17561c4vyhacbswu@holdtheplan.com>
Message-ID: <AC46527E0D70374CA0510BC4A8590A01EF6D32@qsi-ms-06>

Hello,

Can you please remove me from this email thread?

Thank you. 

Danielle Best
Talent Acquisition Assistant
dbest at qsii.com
Quality Systems, Inc.??|???NextGen?Healthcare
18111 Von Karman Ave | Suite 700 | Irvine, CA | 92612
Phone:?949.255.2600 x5432??


-----Original Message-----
From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+dbest=qsii.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of jesse at holdtheplan.com
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:28 AM
To: Reini Urban
Cc: YAPC::NA
Subject: Re: downtown austin hotels

Reini,

Instead of chastising you I am going to make a suggestion. Get out from behind your computer. Put on a backpack and travel for no less than two years living in hostels and staying with local families in every part of the world. I will be very surprised if after that, you are even able to form a thought like the one that has gotten you rebuked. What I feel for you is not anger but pity.

_______________________________________________
yapc mailing list
yapc at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From denise at dwscoalition.org  Mon May 20 11:40:32 2013
From: denise at dwscoalition.org (Denise Paolucci)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:40:32 -0400
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DEHzc+eM1G09BXGuj8afb4L8m+nvmom6n-7irtopORHVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D25AEAF-1243-4FE3-8CD4-ED7AD9003B6C@cpanel.net>
	<CAN+Wnj1ZHuBF2+ydLgKkNuKxUqwa8f8bpes9SK8sdwv2+P3_0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DEHzc+eM1G09BXGuj8afb4L8m+nvmom6n-7irtopORHVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85B70F89-1C55-4732-BF1C-0322A166C1BA@dwscoalition.org>

That is really not much of an improvement.

On May 20, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Reini Urban wrote:

> After reading my email, it looks bad, it looks somewhat racist.
> Sorry, I was not talking about indians the people,
> but about hotels led by indian management.
> I meant to recommend staying away from them.
> They are east of I35, in the north or south, the cheap hotels in Austin.
> 
> I like indian people. A lot. (I am also specialist in Bollywood movies)
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Bradley Andersen
> <bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm sorry - when did a comment like this:
>> 
>> ">> they are no indians involved.
>>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good."
>> 
>> become acceptable?
>> 
>> Shame on you, Reini.
>> 
>> /bda
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Eric <eric at cpanel.net> wrote:
>>> +1 on the extended stay. It's close to whole foods to buy groceries if you need to and pretty close to the event.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> --Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 20, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
>>>> there, $60/room.
>>>> 
>>>> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
>>>> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
>>>> they are no indians involved.
>>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
>>>> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
>>>> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
>>>> and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
>>>> nearer)
>>>> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
>>>> 
>>>> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
>>>>> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Reini Urban
>>>> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Reini Urban
> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

-- 
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From glen at empireenterprises.com  Mon May 20 11:49:11 2013
From: glen at empireenterprises.com (Glen)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:49:11 -0600
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <85B70F89-1C55-4732-BF1C-0322A166C1BA@dwscoalition.org>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D25AEAF-1243-4FE3-8CD4-ED7AD9003B6C@cpanel.net>
	<CAN+Wnj1ZHuBF2+ydLgKkNuKxUqwa8f8bpes9SK8sdwv2+P3_0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DEHzc+eM1G09BXGuj8afb4L8m+nvmom6n-7irtopORHVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<85B70F89-1C55-4732-BF1C-0322A166C1BA@dwscoalition.org>
Message-ID: <85804315-74B7-4169-9B11-3281CA52CEA1@empireenterprises.com>

Unless the hotels led by indian management east of I35 are indeed poorly run.

In which case, there's a lot of ignorant white knights on the list jumping to conclusions, instead of giving Reini the benefit of the doubt.

A comment was made.  People didn't like it.  Reini understands his mistake.  Moving on.



On May 20, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:

> That is really not much of an improvement.
> 
> On May 20, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
>> After reading my email, it looks bad, it looks somewhat racist.
>> Sorry, I was not talking about indians the people,
>> but about hotels led by indian management.
>> I meant to recommend staying away from them.
>> They are east of I35, in the north or south, the cheap hotels in Austin.
>> 
>> I like indian people. A lot. (I am also specialist in Bollywood movies)
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Bradley Andersen
>> <bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm sorry - when did a comment like this:
>>> 
>>> ">> they are no indians involved.
>>>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good."
>>> 
>>> become acceptable?
>>> 
>>> Shame on you, Reini.
>>> 
>>> /bda
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Eric <eric at cpanel.net> wrote:
>>>> +1 on the extended stay. It's close to whole foods to buy groceries if you need to and pretty close to the event.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> --Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates
>>>>> there, $60/room.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
>>>>> your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
>>>>> they are no indians involved.
>>>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
>>>>> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress
>>>>> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in Austin)
>>>>> and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that clean, but
>>>>> nearer)
>>>>> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
>>>>>> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Reini Urban
>>>>> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Reini Urban
>> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> -- 
> Denise Paolucci
> denise at dwscoalition.org
> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join us: www.dreamwidth.org
> 
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From dbest at qsii.com  Mon May 20 11:47:05 2013
From: dbest at qsii.com (Best, Danielle)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:47:05 +0000
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <85804315-74B7-4169-9B11-3281CA52CEA1@empireenterprises.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D25AEAF-1243-4FE3-8CD4-ED7AD9003B6C@cpanel.net>
	<CAN+Wnj1ZHuBF2+ydLgKkNuKxUqwa8f8bpes9SK8sdwv2+P3_0g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AC46527E0D70374CA0510BC4A8590A01EF6DA6@qsi-ms-06>

Please remove me from this email thread. 

Danielle Best
Talent Acquisition Assistant
dbest at qsii.com
Quality Systems, Inc.??|???NextGen?Healthcare
18111 Von Karman Ave | Suite 700 | Irvine, CA | 92612
Phone:?949.255.2600 x5432??


-----Original Message-----
From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+dbest=qsii.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Glen
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:49 AM
To: Denise Paolucci
Cc: Reini Urban; YAPC::NA
Subject: Re: downtown austin hotels

Unless the hotels led by indian management east of I35 are indeed poorly run.

In which case, there's a lot of ignorant white knights on the list jumping to conclusions, instead of giving Reini the benefit of the doubt.

A comment was made.  People didn't like it.  Reini understands his mistake.  Moving on.



On May 20, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:

> That is really not much of an improvement.
> 
> On May 20, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
>> After reading my email, it looks bad, it looks somewhat racist.
>> Sorry, I was not talking about indians the people, but about hotels 
>> led by indian management.
>> I meant to recommend staying away from them.
>> They are east of I35, in the north or south, the cheap hotels in Austin.
>> 
>> I like indian people. A lot. (I am also specialist in Bollywood 
>> movies)
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Bradley Andersen 
>> <bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm sorry - when did a comment like this:
>>> 
>>> ">> they are no indians involved.
>>>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good."
>>> 
>>> become acceptable?
>>> 
>>> Shame on you, Reini.
>>> 
>>> /bda
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Eric <eric at cpanel.net> wrote:
>>>> +1 on the extended stay. It's close to whole foods to buy groceries if you need to and pretty close to the event.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> --Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Usually I stay at the Sheraton, because we get super cheap rates 
>>>>> there, $60/room.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not 
>>>>> clean your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much 
>>>>> cheaper, and they are no indians involved.
>>>>> Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
>>>>> There are two good Extended Stay downtown, one across the Congress 
>>>>> bridge 507 S. First St) I use this for the film festivals in 
>>>>> Austin) and one at 6th street 600 Guadalupe St. (probably not that 
>>>>> clean, but
>>>>> nearer)
>>>>> See http://www.extendedstayhotels.com/hotels/austin-hotels.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Omni, Radisson, Driscoll and Hyatt are too expensive to me, but very good.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of 
>>>>>> the Omni or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Reini Urban
>>>>> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Reini Urban
>> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> --
> Denise Paolucci
> denise at dwscoalition.org
> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. 
> Join us: www.dreamwidth.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

_______________________________________________
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http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From diakopter at gmail.com  Mon May 20 11:51:13 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:51:13 -0700
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <1369073779.30491.140661233423041.38914F28@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
	<CAHiT=DHqZJ2-agP6M4__VhP329J6r=mDfFicev-YpSkKrvxbtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1369073779.30491.140661233423041.38914F28@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGFuhd7DarRZb1KXWfJHs-DUT52x08zQb72OzvpfDhZFPg@mail.gmail.com>

Nuba, "implies" is definitely correct, here.

Reini, don't make any more comments generalizing about ethnic groups,
including people with ancestry in India or American "Indians", whichever
you meant.  Even if you thought you weren't replying to hundreds of people,
it's offensive because it implies that every member of the group you named
has that property [not keeping rooms clean, whether as guests or
management], which of course is immensely far from the truth, and shows you
have disdain for every member of that group because of that property.
 However, even if you don't think every member of that group has that
property, you were ALSO implying that ONLY members of that group have that
property, since you concluded that you don't have anything to worry about
if those people aren't involved, since ONLY those people could have that
property.  That is very revealing of your attitude.

Hugh, there is no relation to the YAPC::NA code of conduct, since this is a
public mailing list and you don't need to "sign" a code of conduct to join
it.  The mailing list is not just used by the North America YAPC, also.
 Also, even if Reini "signed" the YAPC::NA code of conduct, the conference
hasn't started yet.  Also, since it's not currently worded as an agreement,
"signing" the code of conduct is meaningless apart from acknowledging that
you have read the expectations of the Perl Foundation.  There is no
submission or commitment or agreement made to follow it.  It's just saying
"organizers might try to expel you if you don't live up to expectations";
"signing" it doesn't say one agrees to be expelled or stay away or not
demand or sue for a refund anyway.  A much toothier CoC agreement would be
one that says "I agree to leave and not come back if the organizers ask me
to leave, and I will not expect or demand a reason for being expelled if
they do not give one.  Separately, I will trust and will never doubt that
the Perl Foundation made the correct decision when expelling me if they do
so."  That one actually has something that can

Of course then, attending the conference then would represent a trust in
the Perl Foundation to be reasonable and judicious about such decisions,
which is nothing new...

-not as an "organizer", Matthew

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Nuba Princigalli <nuba at fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On Mon, May 20, 2013, at 02:59 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
> > Otherwise I would recommend Extended Stay, because they do not clean
> > your room every day, only weekly and is therefore much cheaper, and
> > they are no indians involved.
> > Which means the rooms are clean and smell good.
>
> And here's -1 to the use of language that might imply a causal
> relationship from "no indians involved" to "rooms are clean and smell
> good".
>
> And I'm only using "might imply" instead of "implies" because english is
> neither my native nor second language.
>
> --
> Nuba R. Princigalli  nuba at pauleira.com  http://pauleira.com
> @nprincigalli
> Discipline is not an end in itself, just a means to an end. - King
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From coc at yapcna.org  Mon May 20 12:03:44 2013
From: coc at yapcna.org (Code of Conduct)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:03:44 -0400
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
Message-ID: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>

The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made by
Reini Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the
contention that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.

Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been
removed form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email
from it.

The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final determination
which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us, any
final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to respond
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From coc at yapcna.org  Tue May 21 05:21:01 2013
From: coc at yapcna.org (Code of Conduct)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 07:21:01 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>
> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made by Reini
> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the contention
> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>
> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been removed
> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email from it.
>
> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final determination
> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us, any
> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to respond
> properly.

We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.

Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
conference venue.

Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
make a considered response.

Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
and that he is sincere.

Thanks,
YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee

From yapc2009 at wendy.org  Tue May 21 09:38:58 2013
From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:38:58 +0200
Subject: Looking forward to the YAPC::NA 2013
Message-ID: <225612834519631@otje>

Hi all,

Just want to say that I look forward to the YAPC::NA::2013 in Austin, 
and see you all, including my friend Reini Urban.

Greetz,
Wendy


From jonathan at leto.net  Tue May 21 09:43:45 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 09:43:45 -0700
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP126921D7F18B404CB2B13D5DFAF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aQh_axaT4d6YUmwGEg9qe3=6MASL6o3E69D-jQ7PZKOiA@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

A service to my fellow Perl people: if you need helping booking a
room, send me an email off list.

I get extra frequent flyer miles for hotel rooms :)

Also, I will be arriving May 31st, before the dorms open, so I will be
staying at one of the local Starwood-affiliated hotels within 10 miles
or so of the UT campus.

See y'all at the hackathons!

Duke

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
> or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



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@dukeleto

From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 09:51:50 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:51:50 +0000
Subject: Looking forward to the YAPC::NA 2013
In-Reply-To: <225612834519631@otje>
References: <225612834519631@otje>
Message-ID: <20130521165150.GS1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:38:58PM +0200, Wendy van Dijk wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just want to say that I look forward to the YAPC::NA::2013 in
> Austin, and see you all, including my friend Reini Urban.

Bring extra ketchup for him; I've learned from long experience that ketchup
goes well with foot.

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 10:02:01 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:02:01 +0000
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
Message-ID: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>

tl;dr ->

If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.

People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.

Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then introduce yourself when there's a lull.

Or, fundamentally:

Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.

full explanation ->

http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/

We did this last year. It was awesome fun.

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com  Tue May 21 10:03:14 2013
From: mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com (mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:03:14 -0500
Subject: Looking forward to the YAPC::NA 2013
Message-ID: <OFF00B4BDC.50A7A99C-ON86257B72.005DA3E8-86257B72.005DAE3C@rockwellcollins.com>

> Bring extra ketchup for him; I've learned from long experience that 
ketchup
> goes well with foot.

Come on, guys.  It's getting old.  Let it go.


Thanks,


Matthew J Kosmoski / Systems Administrator-Monitoring/Client / Houston IT 
Support 
MS 437-100, 2925 Briarpark Dr., Suite 700, Houston, TX, 77042, USA
Phone: 713-430-7087 / VPN: 430-7087 / Mobile: 713-254-2802 
mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com
www.rockwellcollins.com 


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From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Tue May 21 10:05:49 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 20:05:49 +0300
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_S2i-EeA99QrgxSs6a4Az_YnGeVwQBbCygff7ydbCjv5A@mail.gmail.com>

++ on that.


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Matt S Trout <mst at shadowcat.co.uk> wrote:

> tl;dr ->
>
> If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're
> in.
>
> People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say
> hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to say
> if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
>
> Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then introduce
> yourself when there's a lull.
>
> Or, fundamentally:
>
> Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
>
> full explanation ->
>
> http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
>
> We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
>
> --
> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a
> clue
>
> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/
> http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
>
> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our
> Catalyst
> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From yapc2009 at wendy.org  Tue May 21 10:16:24 2013
From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:16:24 +0200
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never
  interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <525639956519631@otje>

Count me in the hallway track.  Excellent initiative, I joined last 
year and enjoyed it.
Greetz, Wendy

At 07:02 PM 5/21/2013, Matt S Trout wrote:
 >tl;dr ->
 >
 >If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.
 >
 >People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say
 >hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to
 >say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
 >
 >Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then
 >introduce yourself when there's a lull.
 >
 >Or, fundamentally:
 >
 >Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
 >
 >full explanation ->
 >
 >http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
 >
 >We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
 >
 >--
 >Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit 
bit and a clue
 >
 >http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
 >
 >Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how 
our Catalyst
 >commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
 >
 >_______________________________________________
 >yapc mailing list
 >yapc at pm.org
 >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 10:20:52 2013
From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:20:52 -0400
Subject: Looking forward to the YAPC::NA 2013
In-Reply-To: <OFF00B4BDC.50A7A99C-ON86257B72.005DA3E8-86257B72.005DAE3C@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OFF00B4BDC.50A7A99C-ON86257B72.005DA3E8-86257B72.005DAE3C@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20130521172051.GV31624@eschaton.local>

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:03:14 -0500 , mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com wrote:
> > Bring extra ketchup for him; I've learned from long experience that
> > ketchup goes well with foot.
> 
> Come on, guys. It's getting old. Let it go.

I read Matt's comment as more of a joke focusing on self-deprecating
humor than anything else. Matt was saying that he's shot himself in the
foot plenty of times (I'd personally make a prosthetic limb company
very, very rich), and was trying to sympathize.

-- 
Chris Nehren
Shadowcat Alumnus

From khaled.hussein at gmail.com  Tue May 21 11:04:16 2013
From: khaled.hussein at gmail.com (Khaled Hussein)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:04:16 -0700
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <525639956519631@otje>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<525639956519631@otje>
Message-ID: <5BB3D923-12FC-4918-B415-BE3C92263541@gmail.com>

+1

On May 21, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Wendy van Dijk <yapc2009 at wendy.org> wrote:

> Count me in the hallway track.  Excellent initiative, I joined last year and enjoyed it.
> Greetz, Wendy
> 
> At 07:02 PM 5/21/2013, Matt S Trout wrote:
> >tl;dr ->
> >
> >If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.
> >
> >People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say
> >hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to
> >say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
> >
> >Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then
> >introduce yourself when there's a lull.
> >
> >Or, fundamentally:
> >
> >Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
> >
> >full explanation ->
> >
> >http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
> >
> >We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
> >
> >--
> >Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue
> >
> >http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
> >
> >Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
> >commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >yapc mailing list
> >yapc at pm.org
> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From jonathan at leto.net  Tue May 21 11:09:52 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:09:52 -0700
Subject: Looking forward to the YAPC::NA 2013
In-Reply-To: <20130521172051.GV31624@eschaton.local>
References: <OFF00B4BDC.50A7A99C-ON86257B72.005DA3E8-86257B72.005DAE3C@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20130521172051.GV31624@eschaton.local>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aS_3w=mStW+Q=XQEGBBwS0XERf6AR=b7T3BEWm4_odwdA@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

I have talked with Reini privately and I truly believe he meant no
harm. Miscommunication occurred.

Humor is truly one of the best medicines, but please be sure your
humor will not be lost in translation and interpreted for something
totally different.

See y'all soon!

Duke

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Chris Nehren
<c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:03:14 -0500 , mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com wrote:
>> > Bring extra ketchup for him; I've learned from long experience that
>> > ketchup goes well with foot.
>>
>> Come on, guys. It's getting old. Let it go.
>
> I read Matt's comment as more of a joke focusing on self-deprecating
> humor than anything else. Matt was saying that he's shot himself in the
> foot plenty of times (I'd personally make a prosthetic limb company
> very, very rich), and was trying to sympathize.
>
> --
> Chris Nehren
> Shadowcat Alumnus
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
@dukeleto

From diakopter at gmail.com  Tue May 21 11:10:30 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:10:30 -0700
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGHSiToCVj4ucrkgkfsyDSYT72m2WHYZyoBr8uVDKA00XA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Matt S Trout <mst at shadowcat.co.uk> wrote:

> Lurking is fine
>
Count me in
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From jonathan at leto.net  Tue May 21 11:11:15 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:15 -0700
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <5BB3D923-12FC-4918-B415-BE3C92263541@gmail.com>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<525639956519631@otje>
	<5BB3D923-12FC-4918-B415-BE3C92263541@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aTjN+ZY0CiwsJEr8ZNt2-Rpcye9boasJd6+-1G200LAnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

+1 to hallway++

I am looking for new gigs and contracts and this seems like a very
efficient way of separating the wheat from the chaff.

Duke

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Khaled Hussein
<khaled.hussein at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On May 21, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Wendy van Dijk <yapc2009 at wendy.org> wrote:
>
>> Count me in the hallway track.  Excellent initiative, I joined last year and enjoyed it.
>> Greetz, Wendy
>>
>> At 07:02 PM 5/21/2013, Matt S Trout wrote:
>> >tl;dr ->
>> >
>> >If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.
>> >
>> >People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say
>> >hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to
>> >say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
>> >
>> >Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then
>> >introduce yourself when there's a lull.
>> >
>> >Or, fundamentally:
>> >
>> >Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
>> >
>> >full explanation ->
>> >
>> >http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
>> >
>> >We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue
>> >
>> >http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
>> >
>> >Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
>> >commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >yapc mailing list
>> >yapc at pm.org
>> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
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Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
@dukeleto

From autarch at urth.org  Tue May 21 11:18:07 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:18:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Anti-Arrival Dinner
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305211306060.16887@urth.org>

I just wanted to remind folks that in addition to the Arrival Dinner, 
we'll also be having an Anti-Arrival Dinner. No, it's not a departure 
dinner, it's simply a dinner at the same time with fewer people at a 
different venue.

If you'd like to attend this dinner, please sign up at 
http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner so I have a rough 
head count.

We will meet at 7pm in the lobby of the Thompson Conference Center. I will 
have a car, and can give rides. Others may have to cab it or walk or fly 
or skip (your choice).

Right now I'm leaning towards The Clay Pit. It's reasonably close, the 
menu looks good, and vegan items are supposedly labeled on the printed 
menu. Absent any objections, that will be the dinner venue.

Afterwards I plan to go to a vegan ice cream parlor, then pass out in a 
sugar-induced coma. You are welcome to join me for that as well.


-dave

/*============================================================
http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
============================================================*/

From chris at fedde.us  Tue May 21 11:53:23 2013
From: chris at fedde.us (Chris Fedde)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:53:23 -0600
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <CABQG1aTjN+ZY0CiwsJEr8ZNt2-Rpcye9boasJd6+-1G200LAnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<525639956519631@otje>
	<5BB3D923-12FC-4918-B415-BE3C92263541@gmail.com>
	<CABQG1aTjN+ZY0CiwsJEr8ZNt2-Rpcye9boasJd6+-1G200LAnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPwZOK4w=7D_SphD4+oyX-gWhLTyM-pYv3vDF+oj+syjJmxJoA@mail.gmail.com>

I for one need more clean chaff to put behind my threshold.

hallway++


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> +1 to hallway++
>
> I am looking for new gigs and contracts and this seems like a very
> efficient way of separating the wheat from the chaff.
>
> Duke
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Khaled Hussein
> <khaled.hussein at gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On May 21, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Wendy van Dijk <yapc2009 at wendy.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Count me in the hallway track.  Excellent initiative, I joined last
> year and enjoyed it.
> >> Greetz, Wendy
> >>
> >> At 07:02 PM 5/21/2013, Matt S Trout wrote:
> >> >tl;dr ->
> >> >
> >> >If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table,
> they're in.
> >> >
> >> >People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say
> >> >hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to
> >> >say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
> >> >
> >> >Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then
> >> >introduce yourself when there's a lull.
> >> >
> >> >Or, fundamentally:
> >> >
> >> >Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
> >> >
> >> >full explanation ->
> >> >
> >> >http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
> >> >
> >> >We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit
> and a clue
> >> >
> >> >http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/
> http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
> >> >
> >> >Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our
> Catalyst
> >> >commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your
> team.
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >yapc mailing list
> >> >yapc at pm.org
> >> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> yapc mailing list
> >> yapc at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
> @dukeleto
>
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From cmasak at gmail.com  Tue May 21 13:06:14 2013
From: cmasak at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_M=E4sak?=)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 22:06:14 +0200
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CADwUm8fDnf2Lzie0fEdaPi=jNph0=QXv7L4KFjQXgHOq5GUr-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Kudos for this. Count me in. Hallway++ :)

// Carl

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Matt S Trout <mst at shadowcat.co.uk> wrote:
> tl;dr ->
>
> If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.
>
> People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
>
> Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then introduce yourself when there's a lull.
>
> Or, fundamentally:
>
> Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
>
> full explanation ->
>
> http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
>
> We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
>
> --
> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue
>
> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
>
> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From deb at eximiousproductions.com  Tue May 21 15:12:57 2013
From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:12:57 -0400
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <CADwUm8fDnf2Lzie0fEdaPi=jNph0=QXv7L4KFjQXgHOq5GUr-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<CADwUm8fDnf2Lzie0fEdaPi=jNph0=QXv7L4KFjQXgHOq5GUr-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE3dWx-GbsL9vgoDxsrND1hxqUWi4MS6zDo9rUJggEbXxK8rLA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm also in! Is replying to this thread the best way to make sure I'm "in"
or should I bring a sharpie?


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Carl M?sak <cmasak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kudos for this. Count me in. Hallway++ :)
>
> // Carl
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Matt S Trout <mst at shadowcat.co.uk> wrote:
> > tl;dr ->
> >
> > If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table,
> they're in.
> >
> > People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say
> hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to say
> if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
> >
> > Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then
> introduce yourself when there's a lull.
> >
> > Or, fundamentally:
> >
> > Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
> >
> > full explanation ->
> >
> > http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
> >
> > We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
> >
> > --
> > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and
> a clue
> >
> > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/
> http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
> >
> > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our
> Catalyst
> > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your
> team.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 15:17:58 2013
From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:17:58 -0400
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx-GbsL9vgoDxsrND1hxqUWi4MS6zDo9rUJggEbXxK8rLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <20130521221757.GX31624@eschaton.local>


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 18:12:57 -0400 , Deb Nicholson wrote:
> I'm also in! Is replying to this thread the best way to make sure I'm "in"
> or should I bring a sharpie?

Bring a sharpie so we can write "HW++" on your forehead. :)

More seriously, there should be stickers available, but they won't
always be visible. And most people won't know "Deb Nicholson" from any
of the random people they meet at the conference, so it helps to
demarcate yourself in some more visibly obvious way. Write it on your
badge, write it on a piece of paper and fold it up for a table sign,
etc. Be creative!

-- 
Chris Nehren
Shadowcat Alumnus

From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org  Tue May 21 15:22:38 2013
From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:22:38 -0400
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521221757.GX31624@eschaton.local>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<CADwUm8fDnf2Lzie0fEdaPi=jNph0=QXv7L4KFjQXgHOq5GUr-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE3dWx-GbsL9vgoDxsrND1hxqUWi4MS6zDo9rUJggEbXxK8rLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130521221757.GX31624@eschaton.local>
Message-ID: <20130521222238.GA12764@cancer.codesimply.com>

* Chris Nehren <c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk> [2013-05-21T18:17:58]
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 18:12:57 -0400 , Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > I'm also in! Is replying to this thread the best way to make sure I'm "in"
> > or should I bring a sharpie?
> 
> Bring a sharpie so we can write "HW++" on your forehead. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich_board

-- 
rjbs
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From kzembower at verizon.net  Tue May 21 16:30:31 2013
From: kzembower at verizon.net (Kevin Zembower)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:30:31 -0400
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1369179036.1985.2.camel@kevinz>

On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 17:02 +0000, Matt S Trout wrote:
> tl;dr ->
> 
> If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.

Is it too late to have "Hallway++" badge ribbons made? Like the ones
last year, with adhesive and text like "Hardware Hacker" and "Has
Been" (two of mine).

-Kevin

> 
> People doing Hallway++ would prefer your default to be "come and say hello" so they don't miss out on interesting conversations. Having to say if it isn't convenient right now is a conciously chosen trade-off.
> 
> Lurking is fine; it's ok to listen to the conversation and then introduce yourself when there's a lull.
> 
> Or, fundamentally:
> 
> Hallway++ means you're never interrupting.
> 
> full explanation ->
> 
> http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
> 
> We did this last year. It was awesome fun.
> 



From todd at rinaldo.us  Tue May 21 16:36:54 2013
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:36:54 -0500
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <1369179036.1985.2.camel@kevinz>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Kevin Zembower <kzembower at verizon.net>wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 17:02 +0000, Matt S Trout wrote:
> > tl;dr ->
> >
> > If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table,
> they're in.
>
> Is it too late to have "Hallway++" badge ribbons made? Like the ones
> last year, with adhesive and text like "Hardware Hacker" and "Has
> Been" (two of mine).
>

They're already ordered.
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From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 16:46:47 2013
From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:46:47 -0400
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGEa32qZiLmnHTkYgxSueHFgtFvt=aZtLN-_3vmXWC-yMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 18:36:54 -0500 , Todd Rinaldo wrote:
> > Is it too late to have "Hallway++" badge ribbons made? Like the ones
> > last year, with adhesive and text like "Hardware Hacker" and "Has
> > Been" (two of mine).
> >
> 
> They're already ordered.

At least to me, that doesn't say whether we'll have Hallway++ badges or
not--only that the order has been placed. Can you please clarify, Todd?

-- 
Chris Nehren

From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 17:34:06 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:34:06 +0000
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <1369179036.1985.2.camel@kevinz>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<1369179036.1985.2.camel@kevinz>
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:30:31PM -0400, Kevin Zembower wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 17:02 +0000, Matt S Trout wrote:
> > tl;dr ->
> > 
> > If it says Hallway++ on somebody's badge or on a sign at a table, they're in.
> 
> Is it too late to have "Hallway++" badge ribbons made? Like the ones
> last year, with adhesive and text like "Hardware Hacker" and "Has
> Been" (two of mine).

We used stickers last year, and there'll be plenty of stickers this year.

The whole point of hallway++ is to be its own thing outside of the 'real'
conference organising, hence why I considered suggesting they happened for
badge ribbons and then decided it wasn't in keeping.

You can join in with just a sharpie; a ribbon would've been overkill :)

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 17:35:08 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:35:08 +0000
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130521234646.GZ31624@eschaton.local>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:46:47PM -0400, Chris Nehren wrote:
> At least to me, that doesn't say whether we'll have Hallway++ badges or
> not--only that the order has been placed. Can you please clarify, Todd?

It means they aren't.

Badge ribbons are way too official and high tech for hallway++.

You can join with just a sharpie. A sticker is like the ultimate complicated
compared to that, or something :D

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From jen at sevvie.net  Tue May 21 17:51:19 2013
From: jen at sevvie.net (Jennie '7' Evers-Corvina)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:51:19 -0700
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never
 interrupting
In-Reply-To: <20130522003508.GB1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
	<1369179036.1985.2.camel@kevinz>
	<CAG8vyGEa32qZiLmnHTkYgxSueHFgtFvt=aZtLN-_3vmXWC-yMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130521234646.GZ31624@eschaton.local>
	<20130522003508.GB1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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Speaking of too high-tech... mst and I collaborated to put together a brochure on Hallway++ that can be used as a sign for HW++ groups. They've been in the works for a while. You can see a PDF of the brochure, and a picture of the brochure configured in "sign-mode", at http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=HWPPPeople . 

-- 
Jennie '7' Evers-Corvina


On Tuesday, 21 May, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:46:47PM -0400, Chris Nehren wrote:
> > At least to me, that doesn't say whether we'll have Hallway++ badges or
> > not--only that the order has been placed. Can you please clarify, Todd?
> > 
> 
> 
> It means they aren't.
> 
> Badge ribbons are way too official and high tech for hallway++.
> 
> You can join with just a sharpie. A sticker is like the ultimate complicated
> compared to that, or something :D
> 
> -- 
> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue
> 
> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
> 
> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk (http://shadowcat.co.uk) and let's chat about how our Catalyst
> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 


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From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Tue May 21 17:53:47 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:53:47 +0000
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx-GbsL9vgoDxsrND1hxqUWi4MS6zDo9rUJggEbXxK8rLA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:12:57PM -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> I'm also in! Is replying to this thread the best way to make sure I'm "in"
> or should I bring a sharpie?

There'll be stickers - at the registration desk and carried by a bunch of
the instigators, myself included.

But a sharpie is totally good too.

Whole point here is "no outside intervention required".

You'd be more than welcome to add yourself to the HWPPPeople wiki page (which
is linked from the blog post) but it's also entirely not required.

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From admin at yapcna.org  Tue May 21 23:14:07 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 01:14:07 -0500
Subject: YAPC::NA::Austin Evening Activities
Message-ID: <CALC=KU+9G7j9pMNvHdHHWQtPj4ZpO7FHRm0ZYoC1jRVEZh6Cxw@mail.gmail.com>

http://blog.yapcna.org/post/51053578419/yapc-na-austin-evening-activities

We have a full set of evening events to keep you busy while at YAPC in
Austin this year.

Sunday Night:
The night before YAPC, we typically gather for the Arrival Dinner. If
you?re looking for a smaller group of folks, you can slso meet up with
the Anti-Arrival Dinner (Not to be confused with the People?s Front of
Anti-Arrival Dinners.)

http://blog.yapcna.org/post/50501525837/arrival-dinner-at-the-hula-hut
http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner

Monday Night

We?re hosting a VIP meet-and-greet mixer in the LBJ Lobby after
lightning talks on Monday. VIP stands for ?Very Important to Perl?,
and refers to the new attendees. The focus of the event is to honor
and welcome first time attendees. Everyone is invited.

We are encouraging attendees to Create or Join a B.O.F. Dinner,
suggested to be held Monday evening after the VIP mixer. This is your
chance to get to know a small group of Perl-ers in an informal dinner
setting, around a common interest or theme, that doesn?t necessarily
have anything to do with Perl.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=DinnerBOFNight

Tuesday Night

We?re bringing back a favorite from last year: Game Night. This year,
we?re combining it with the YAPC Banquet..

After the lightning talks, buses will take you down to The Stage on
Sixth, a venue on Austin?s Sixth Street, which we?ve fully reserved
for this night. Dinner will be served buffet-style from The Salt Lick
BBQ, served outside. Please let us know if you need the vegan option
so we can ensure we have enough food for all.

Dinner transitions into Game Night, which is designed by you. Be sure
to update the wiki with any games you?d like to bring or join an
existing game.

Vegan: http://goo.gl/hebEb%20target=
Games: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight

Saturday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday nights
Of course activities will be happening these nights too. These events
usually get announced on the mailing list.

From yapc2009 at wendy.org  Wed May 22 03:16:40 2013
From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:16:40 +0200
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never
  interrupting
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References: <20130521170201.GT1395@newagaton.scsys.co.uk>
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Last year I got some 6 stickers from Matt.  I put two on my badge 
(one on the front, one on the back) and two on my t-shirt (one on the 
front and one on the back).  I managed to peel them off my t-shirt 
the next day and put them on a fresh t-shirt. The last day I had to 
use the last two stickers.

They are black on white and visible enough to attract people who want 
to make a random chat or a more serious discussion.

Wendy

At 02:53 AM 5/22/2013, Matt S Trout wrote:
 >On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:12:57PM -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
 >> I'm also in! Is replying to this thread the best way to make sure I'm "in"
 >> or should I bring a sharpie?
 >
 >There'll be stickers - at the registration desk and carried by a bunch of
 >the instigators, myself included.
 >
 >But a sharpie is totally good too.
 >
 >Whole point here is "no outside intervention required".
 >
 >You'd be more than welcome to add yourself to the HWPPPeople wiki page (which
 >is linked from the blog post) but it's also entirely not required.
 >
 >--
 >Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit 
bit and a clue
 >
 >http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
 >
 >Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how 
our Catalyst
 >commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
 >
 >_______________________________________________
 >yapc mailing list
 >yapc at pm.org
 >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From tomg at cpanel.net  Wed May 22 07:03:51 2013
From: tomg at cpanel.net (Tom Green)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 09:03:51 -0500
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <D94D6B20B4044EBCB83423EFB1C7C784@sevvie.net>
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Thanks for the brochure. Now I understand what you guys are talking about.  I must have missed this concept last year.

 

From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+tomg=cpanel.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jennie '7' Evers-Corvina
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:51 PM
To: Matt S Trout
Cc: yapc at pm.org
Subject: Re: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting

 

Speaking of too high-tech... mst and I collaborated to put together a brochure on Hallway++ that can be used as a sign for HW++ groups. They've been in the works for a while. You can see a PDF of the brochure, and a picture of the brochure configured in "sign-mode", at  <http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=HWPPPeople> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=HWPPPeople . 

 

-- 

Jennie '7' Evers-Corvina

 

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:46:47PM -0400, Chris Nehren wrote:

At least to me, that doesn't say whether we'll have Hallway++ badges or

not--only that the order has been placed. Can you please clarify, Todd?

 

It means they aren't.

 

Badge ribbons are way too official and high tech for hallway++.

 

You can join with just a sharpie. A sticker is like the ultimate complicated

compared to that, or something :D

 

-- 

Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

 

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

 

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst

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From william at skybluecircles.com  Wed May 22 07:15:19 2013
From: william at skybluecircles.com (William Stevenson)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 10:15:19 -0400
Subject: downtown austin hotels
In-Reply-To: <CABQG1aQh_axaT4d6YUmwGEg9qe3=6MASL6o3E69D-jQ7PZKOiA@mail.gmail.com>
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I found a quiet, out-of-the-way place which is about a 1 mile walk to
the conference center. Their rates are reasonable and the staff was
friendly.

I'm not sure what their availability is like, but for anyone who is
interested, the website is below.

http://www.quartershardin.com/

- William

On Tue, May 21, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Jonathan Duke Leto wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> A service to my fellow Perl people: if you need helping booking a
> room, send me an email off list.
> 
> I get extra frequent flyer miles for hotel rooms :)
> 
> Also, I will be arriving May 31st, before the dorms open, so I will be
> staying at one of the local Starwood-affiliated hotels within 10 miles
> or so of the UT campus.
> 
> See y'all at the hackathons!
> 
> Duke
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:32 AM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > As an alternative to the Sheraton, does anyone have an opinion of the Omni
> > or Radisson or is staying at one of those 2?
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
> @dukeleto
> 
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From rfisher at bluehost.com  Wed May 22 07:16:49 2013
From: rfisher at bluehost.com (Russel Fisher)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:16:49 -0600
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
In-Reply-To: <066901ce56f5$2feb2940$8fc17bc0$@cpanel.net>
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All ye happy people, 

That sounds great, but will there be any Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, garnished with truffle p?t?, brandy and a fried egg on top of Spam?

Thanks, 
Russel

On May 22, 2013, at 8:03 AM, "Tom Green" <tomg at cpanel.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the brochure. Now I understand what you guys are talking about.  I must have missed this concept last year.
>  
> From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+tomg=cpanel.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jennie '7' Evers-Corvina
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:51 PM
> To: Matt S Trout
> Cc: yapc at pm.org
> Subject: Re: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
>  
> Speaking of too high-tech... mst and I collaborated to put together a brochure on Hallway++ that can be used as a sign for HW++ groups. They've been in the works for a while. You can see a PDF of the brochure, and a picture of the brochure configured in "sign-mode", at http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=HWPPPeople .
>  
> -- 
> Jennie '7' Evers-Corvina
>  
> On Tuesday, 21 May, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:46:47PM -0400, Chris Nehren wrote:
> At least to me, that doesn't say whether we'll have Hallway++ badges or
> not--only that the order has been placed. Can you please clarify, Todd?
>  
> It means they aren't.
>  
> Badge ribbons are way too official and high tech for hallway++.
>  
> You can join with just a sharpie. A sticker is like the ultimate complicated
> compared to that, or something :D
>  
> --
> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue
>  
> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
>  
> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst
> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.
>  
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>  
> 
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From mst at shadowcat.co.uk  Wed May 22 07:26:31 2013
From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:26:31 +0000
Subject: Meeting more people: Hallway++ means you're never interrupting
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 08:16:49AM -0600, Russel Fisher wrote:
> All ye happy people, 
> 
> That sounds great, but will there be any Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, garnished with truffle p?t?, brandy and a fried egg on top of Spam?

Not to my knowledge, although there's been more than one occasion where my
conversational style when enthusiastic about a topic has been described using
the words 'gold brick to the head' and 'no lemon'.

(yes, I'm crossing the streams ... if anybody complains I'll send one off)

-- 
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue

http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/   http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/

Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our CPAN
commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team.

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 22 09:47:13 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:47:13 -0400
Subject: scrabble at game night
Message-ID: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i will be bringing a travel scrabble set to the game night. i am looking 
for some good competition. sign up on the game night wiki page 
(http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight) or let me know if you 
want to play.

thanx,

uri

From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com  Wed May 22 10:15:02 2013
From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:15:02 -0400
Subject: scrabble at game night
In-Reply-To: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>

i can bring chess board + clock if anyone interested

--
sent by a bradDroid, please expect bradVity!
On May 22, 2013 12:47 PM, "Uri Guttman" <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> i will be bringing a travel scrabble set to the game night. i am looking
> for some good competition. sign up on the game night wiki page (
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/**wiki?node=GameNight<http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight>)
> or let me know if you want to play.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 22 10:51:28 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:51:28 -0400
Subject: Two evening social events
Message-ID: <519D05A0.7050103@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i am organizing two social events at yapc. monday night we can book a 
whole theater at the alamo draft house. food and drink can be ordered. 
this would start at abou 8pm after the VIP event. we could even select a 
first run (star trek?) or oldie and have dha show a bad movie 
afterwards! sign up on the wiki if you are interested. we need a minimum 
of 25. more info to come as i get it.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SocialEvents

thursday night june 6th (d-day!), my wife and i are going to esther's 
follies, a long running musical comedy/satire/magic show. you can say 
you are with yapc and we will be seated together. we have reserved seats 
(@ $29) for better viewing. there is no food there so have dinner 
beforehand but they serve drinks. again sign up so we know who will 
attend. no minimum or anything. this is an individual event.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SocialEvents

thanx,

uri

From mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu  Wed May 22 11:03:15 2013
From: mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu (Michael McClennen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:03:15 -0500
Subject: game night
In-Reply-To: <CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>

Will anybody be bringing a Go set, by any chance?

  -- Michael



From autarch at urth.org  Wed May 22 11:12:19 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:12:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: game night
In-Reply-To: <FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305221308480.16887@urth.org>

On Wed, 22 May 2013, Michael McClennen wrote:

> Will anybody be bringing a Go set, by any chance?

I was wondering the same.

I have a nice set that's just too big to drag on the plane a piece of crap 
travel set that's really hard to play with.


-dave

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From autarch at urth.org  Wed May 22 11:14:16 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:14:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: game night
In-Reply-To: <FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305221313360.16887@urth.org>

On Wed, 22 May 2013, Michael McClennen wrote:

> Will anybody be bringing a Go set, by any chance?

I added a section for Go the game night wiki page - 
http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight


-dave

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From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 22 11:39:32 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:39:32 -0400
Subject: game night
In-Reply-To: <FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBEB2A2B-6330-49F6-A819-B269BA8E5F6C@geology.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <519D10E4.1080203@stemsystems.com>

On 05/22/2013 02:03 PM, Michael McClennen wrote:
> Will anybody be bringing a Go set, by any chance?

dave rolsky has a portable rollup board. but he doesn't bring it as he 
can't find any yapc'er strong enough to play him. i know i can't take 
him on with even 9 stones. so ask him and see if you can play against him.

uri



From reini.urban at gmail.com  Wed May 22 11:44:46 2013
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:44:46 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>

On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made by Reini
>> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the contention
>> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>> 
>> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been removed
>> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email from it.
>> 
>> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final determination
>> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us, any
>> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to respond
>> properly.
> 
> We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
> yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
> to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
> 
> Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
> A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
> list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
> registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
> conference venue.
> 
> Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
> A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
> make a considered response.
> 
> Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
> A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
> our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
> and that he is sincere.
> 
> Thanks,
> YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee

Thanks.

I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
I feel ashamed.


From jonathan at leto.net  Wed May 22 12:05:01 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:05:01 -0700
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aQ6-so=66WKrrsOF5gJgqwi9O6QHiQvWwSeXjOSwJVGeA@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

All of us silly humans make mistakes. Thanks for owning up to it, Reini.

Duke

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made by Reini
>>> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the contention
>>> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>>>
>>> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been removed
>>> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email from it.
>>>
>>> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final determination
>>> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us, any
>>> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to respond
>>> properly.
>>
>> We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
>> yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
>> to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
>>
>> Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
>> A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
>> list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
>> registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
>> conference venue.
>>
>> Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
>> A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
>> make a considered response.
>>
>> Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
>> A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
>> our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
>> and that he is sincere.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
>
> Thanks.
>
> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
> I feel ashamed.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
@dukeleto

From autarch at urth.org  Wed May 22 12:08:30 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:08:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305221407550.16887@urth.org>

On Wed, 22 May 2013, Reini Urban wrote:

> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
> I feel ashamed.

I've said more than a few things in the past that I continue to regret. 
Thanks for apologizing.

I look forward to seeing you at the conference.


-dave

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From yaakov at perlfoundation.org  Wed May 22 12:11:07 2013
From: yaakov at perlfoundation.org (Ya'akov Sloman)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:11:07 -0400
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE5ED529-030B-4914-8249-577073984148@perlfoundation.org>

Reini:

You are a valued member of the Perl community.  You've set a great example of how to deal with mistakes we all make.  Thanks for that.

Ya'akov

On May 22, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made by Reini
>>> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the contention
>>> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>>> 
>>> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been removed
>>> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email from it.
>>> 
>>> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final determination
>>> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us, any
>>> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to respond
>>> properly.
>> 
>> We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
>> yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
>> to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
>> 
>> Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
>> A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
>> list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
>> registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
>> conference venue.
>> 
>> Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
>> A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
>> make a considered response.
>> 
>> Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
>> A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
>> our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
>> and that he is sincere.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
> I feel ashamed.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From msouth at gmail.com  Wed May 22 12:23:50 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:23:50 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>

The only thing to regret, in my opinion, is that the way you phrased your
observation was interpretable as racism.

No honest observer has just cause to think you _actually are_ racist.  That
_would_ be something to be ashamed of.  This honest error, in contrast, is
something you can regret and correct, but shame is not called for.

mike


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made
> by Reini
> >> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the
> contention
> >> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
> >>
> >> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been
> removed
> >> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email
> from it.
> >>
> >> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final
> determination
> >> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us,
> any
> >> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to
> respond
> >> properly.
> >
> > We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
> > yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
> > to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
> >
> > Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
> > A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
> > list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
> > registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
> > conference venue.
> >
> > Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
> > A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
> > make a considered response.
> >
> > Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
> > A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
> > our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
> > and that he is sincere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
>
> Thanks.
>
> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
> I feel ashamed.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From william at skybluecircles.com  Wed May 22 12:26:42 2013
From: william at skybluecircles.com (William Stevenson)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:26:42 -0400
Subject: scrabble at game night
In-Reply-To: <CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1369250802.10422.140661234416241.24FC5D55@webmail.messagingengine.com>

If I can find it, I have Scattergories.





On Wed, May 22, 2013, at 01:15 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:

  i can bring chess board + clock if anyone interested

  --

sent by a bradDroid, please expect bradVity!

On May 22, 2013 12:47 PM, "Uri Guttman" <[1]uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

hi all,



i will be bringing a travel scrabble set to the game night. i am
looking for some good competition. sign up on the game night wiki page
([2]http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight) or let me know if
you want to play.



thanx,



uri



_______________________________________________

yapc mailing list

[3]yapc at pm.org

[4]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc





_______________________________________________

yapc mailing list

[5]yapc at pm.org

[6]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

References

1. mailto:uri at stemsystems.com
2. http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight
3. mailto:yapc at pm.org
4. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
5. mailto:yapc at pm.org
6. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From reini.urban at gmail.com  Wed May 22 12:48:04 2013
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:48:04 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
	<CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mike South <msouth at gmail.com> wrote:
> The only thing to regret, in my opinion, is that the way you phrased your
> observation was interpretable as racism.
>
> No honest observer has just cause to think you _actually are_ racist.  That
> _would_ be something to be ashamed of.  This honest error, in contrast, is
> something you can regret and correct, but shame is not called for.

Well, I'm not so sure. I'm still super angry at me and ashamed, because
you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.
That's why I stepped back from my yapc talk, because I cannot really
stand everybody looking at me there.
But I'll probably come to the hackathon to talk about the projects and ideas
we are working on.

A YAPC really should be about bringing perl forward and talk about hacking,
not about our stupid behavior, fights and mistakes we do online.
I don't want to see another CoC incident.
But I know that we need to socialize at least once a year, because online
communication is not easy. Esp. with different cultural backgrounds.

> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made
>> >> by Reini
>> >> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the
>> >> contention
>> >> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>> >>
>> >> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been
>> >> removed
>> >> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email
>> >> from it.
>> >>
>> >> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final
>> >> determination
>> >> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us,
>> >> any
>> >> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to
>> >> respond
>> >> properly.
>> >
>> > We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
>> > yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
>> > to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
>> >
>> > Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
>> > A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
>> > list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
>> > registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
>> > conference venue.
>> >
>> > Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
>> > A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
>> > make a considered response.
>> >
>> > Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
>> > A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
>> > our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
>> > and that he is sincere.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
>> I feel ashamed.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>



--
Reini Urban
http://phpwiki.org/           http://murbreak.at/

From jonathan at leto.net  Wed May 22 13:10:34 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:10:34 -0700
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DHMxq63rhORqWa-=iiRgau8vbP+BEo3vDrb-W=3V6scqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Howdy,

I think it is inappropriate for Mike to tell Reini how he should
*feel* about his past actions. That is out of line.

Reini, your statements were misinterpreted and also seen through the
light of a different cultural lens.

Everybody wants to get together and nerd out about Perl. Let's try to
concentrate on that, instead.

Duke

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mike South <msouth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The only thing to regret, in my opinion, is that the way you phrased your
>> observation was interpretable as racism.
>>
>> No honest observer has just cause to think you _actually are_ racist.  That
>> _would_ be something to be ashamed of.  This honest error, in contrast, is
>> something you can regret and correct, but shame is not called for.
>
> Well, I'm not so sure. I'm still super angry at me and ashamed, because
> you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.
> That's why I stepped back from my yapc talk, because I cannot really
> stand everybody looking at me there.
> But I'll probably come to the hackathon to talk about the projects and ideas
> we are working on.
>
> A YAPC really should be about bringing perl forward and talk about hacking,
> not about our stupid behavior, fights and mistakes we do online.
> I don't want to see another CoC incident.
> But I know that we need to socialize at least once a year, because online
> communication is not easy. Esp. with different cultural backgrounds.
>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made
>>> >> by Reini
>>> >> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the
>>> >> contention
>>> >> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>>> >>
>>> >> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been
>>> >> removed
>>> >> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email
>>> >> from it.
>>> >>
>>> >> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final
>>> >> determination
>>> >> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us,
>>> >> any
>>> >> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to
>>> >> respond
>>> >> properly.
>>> >
>>> > We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
>>> > yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
>>> > to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
>>> >
>>> > Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
>>> > A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
>>> > list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
>>> > registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
>>> > conference venue.
>>> >
>>> > Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
>>> > A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
>>> > make a considered response.
>>> >
>>> > Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
>>> > A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
>>> > our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
>>> > and that he is sincere.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
>>> I feel ashamed.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://phpwiki.org/           http://murbreak.at/
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
@dukeleto

From adam at oktud.com  Wed May 22 13:11:57 2013
From: adam at oktud.com (Adam M Dutko)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:11:57 -0400
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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> Well, I'm not so sure. I'm still super angry at me and ashamed, 
> because
> you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.

True. Past actions are sometimes useful indicators for future behavior 
but then again if one judged everyone by the past this would be an awful 
world to live in. I don't know you so I readily admit what happened will 
taint my perspective but I do hope we can all get past this incident and 
focus on Perl. I look forward to meeting you in person.

> That's why I stepped back from my yapc talk, because I cannot really
> stand everybody looking at me there.

I'm a first time attendee and imagine your slides are useful. Can you 
give us a location where we can find them?

> But I'll probably come to the hackathon to talk about the projects 
> and ideas
> we are working on.

Awesome. I am still trying to find my niche in the community and would 
love to hear what you and others are working on.

> A YAPC really should be about bringing perl forward and talk about 
> hacking,
> not about our stupid behavior, fights and mistakes we do online.

Is there "one thing" we can all agree upon that will help move Perl 
forward? Again, I'm somewhat new and trying to find a niche. Any and all 
advice is welcome but it would be nice to know what "single area" would 
help the most.

-- 
Enjoy Life!

-Adam

From deb at eximiousproductions.com  Wed May 22 13:12:10 2013
From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:12:10 -0400
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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I'm really gratified to see this fully resolved. A critical part of
successfully discussing racism or sexism (or any other -ism) is separating
the person from the behavior. Without that distinction, it's nearly
impossible to move forward. I'm glad we were able to do that here.
Looking forward to meeting everyone,
Deb
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From msouth at gmail.com  Wed May 22 13:40:14 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:40:14 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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Ooooookay, I retract everything about how he should "feel", double down on
the non-judgemental-about-how-you-feel-about-it statement that there is
nothing to be ashamed of in a simple mistake.  If the community is shaming
that the community should stop it.

America is the land of hair-trigger politically correct overreaction.
 We're steeped in it here, but not everyone is from here or speaking their
first language, etc.  Let's all remember that before we chase away any more
participation.

A little more of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF

and we might have not lost this talk.

mike


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> I think it is inappropriate for Mike to tell Reini how he should
> *feel* about his past actions. That is out of line.
>
> Reini, your statements were misinterpreted and also seen through the
> light of a different cultural lens.
>
> Everybody wants to get together and nerd out about Perl. Let's try to
> concentrate on that, instead.
>
> Duke
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mike South <msouth at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The only thing to regret, in my opinion, is that the way you phrased
> your
> >> observation was interpretable as racism.
> >>
> >> No honest observer has just cause to think you _actually are_ racist.
>  That
> >> _would_ be something to be ashamed of.  This honest error, in contrast,
> is
> >> something you can regret and correct, but shame is not called for.
> >
> > Well, I'm not so sure. I'm still super angry at me and ashamed, because
> > you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.
> > That's why I stepped back from my yapc talk, because I cannot really
> > stand everybody looking at me there.
> > But I'll probably come to the hackathon to talk about the projects and
> ideas
> > we are working on.
> >
> > A YAPC really should be about bringing perl forward and talk about
> hacking,
> > not about our stupid behavior, fights and mistakes we do online.
> > I don't want to see another CoC incident.
> > But I know that we need to socialize at least once a year, because online
> > communication is not easy. Esp. with different cultural backgrounds.
> >
> >> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments
> made
> >>> >> by Reini
> >>> >> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the
> >>> >> contention
> >>> >> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has
> been
> >>> >> removed
> >>> >> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email
> >>> >> from it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final
> >>> >> determination
> >>> >> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon
> us,
> >>> >> any
> >>> >> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to
> >>> >> respond
> >>> >> properly.
> >>> >
> >>> > We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
> >>> > yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in
> order
> >>> > to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
> >>> >
> >>> > Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct
> Rules?
> >>> > A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
> >>> > list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined
> conference
> >>> > registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
> >>> > conference venue.
> >>> >
> >>> > Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
> >>> > A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
> >>> > make a considered response.
> >>> >
> >>> > Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
> >>> > A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It
> is
> >>> > our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
> >>> > and that he is sincere.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> > YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
> >>> I feel ashamed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> yapc mailing list
> >>> yapc at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Reini Urban
> > http://phpwiki.org/           http://murbreak.at/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
> @dukeleto
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From mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu  Wed May 22 13:53:08 2013
From: mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu (Michael McClennen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:53:08 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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Reini,

I think you should still give your talk.

You've been punished more than enough already for your (relatively minor, in my opinion) mistake, and I think most people will have forgotten about it by the time the conference starts.  If anybody hasn't forgotten about this whole kerfluffle by then, it's their problem and not yours.

  -- Michael McClennen


On May 22, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Reini Urban wrote:

> Well, I'm not so sure. I'm still super angry at me and ashamed, because
> you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.
> That's why I stepped back from my yapc talk, because I cannot really
> stand everybody looking at me there.
> But I'll probably come to the hackathon to talk about the projects and ideas
> we are working on.

From msouth at gmail.com  Wed May 22 14:10:34 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:10:34 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Adam M Dutko <adam at oktud.com> wrote:

>
>> Awesome. I am still trying to find my niche in the community and would
> love to hear what you and others are working on.
>
>
>  A YAPC really should be about bringing perl forward and talk about
>> hacking,
>> not about our stupid behavior, fights and mistakes we do online.
>>
>
> Is there "one thing" we can all agree upon that will help move Perl
> forward? Again, I'm somewhat new and trying to find a niche. Any and all
> advice is welcome but it would be nice to know what "single area" would
> help the most.


Dude, if we could all agree on One Way To Do It we would be Python
programmers.

:)

My advice would be for you to just use Perl.  And when you run into a
problem or a frustration--"I don't understand this in the docs of this
module", or "I wish this would accept an array instead of a single
value"--figure out how to fix it.  By doing that, you will learn how to
contribute (whether that's by sending a patch, just suggesting a change,
forking on github and sending a pull request, etc), which will be useful
knowledge no matter where you end up spending most of your time.

If you are anxious to jump in and make a contribution right away, you could
build an app from the ground up using a framework like Catalyst or Dancer
and document every single thing that confused you, and the resolution, and
put it all in a series of blog posts.  IMHO, Catalyst could use this due to
its complexity, Dancer due to its newness (and, possibly, due to its lack
of complexity--sometimes it can be confusing when so much is done by magic,
because you don't know where to even start looking to figure out what the
magic words are).

Experienced people can't do this (or at least not easily), because they've
completely forgotten what confused them when they first started.  It's a
contribution that only a newbie can easily make.

Caveat lector--I'm on the early part of the contribution curve myself, so
ymmv and there may be much better opinions out there about where your
effort would be best spent.

mike
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From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 00:10:58 +0300
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	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
	<CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DHMxq63rhORqWa-=iiRgau8vbP+BEo3vDrb-W=3V6scqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025@geology.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Michael McClennen <
mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu> wrote:

> Reini,
>
> I think you should still give your talk.
>

Please do.

After handing the situation so responsibly (and setting an example for us
on how to deal with things), I think it would be a loss to all if you were
to pass on your talk. Please give it.
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From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Wed May 22 14:14:31 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 00:14:31 +0300
Subject: scrabble at game night
In-Reply-To: <1369250802.10422.140661234416241.24FC5D55@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1369250802.10422.140661234416241.24FC5D55@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_RgnxGLgW-Vnpw--TPdh01ibwb6j2H07rMQGJdrD9Djfg@mail.gmail.com>

I will probably do badly in English, but I'd be happy to give it a shot!


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM, William Stevenson <
william at skybluecircles.com> wrote:

> **
> If I can find it, I have Scattergories.
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013, at 01:15 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
>
> i can bring chess board + clock if anyone interested
>
> --
> sent by a bradDroid, please expect bradVity!
> On May 22, 2013 12:47 PM, "Uri Guttman" <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
>  i will be bringing a travel scrabble set to the game night. i am looking
> for some good competition. sign up on the game night wiki page (
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/**wiki?node=GameNight<http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight>)
> or let me know if you want to play.
>
>  thanx,
>
>  uri
>
>  ______________________________**_________________
>  yapc mailing list
>  yapc at pm.org
>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>
>
>
> *_______________________________________________*
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> yapc at pm.org
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From auggy at cpan.org  Wed May 22 14:21:11 2013
From: auggy at cpan.org (Augustina Blair)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:11 -0400
Subject: scrabble at game night
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_RgnxGLgW-Vnpw--TPdh01ibwb6j2H07rMQGJdrD9Djfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1369250802.10422.140661234416241.24FC5D55@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<CAMvkq_RgnxGLgW-Vnpw--TPdh01ibwb6j2H07rMQGJdrD9Djfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAaPMFwWp4q27MhFBNb=wFj0iwf_COd4oVmLdXZ3U5VpNoXF_w@mail.gmail.com>

I will only play if Urban Dictionary counts as a "standard English
dictionary".

Augustina
Am 22.05.2013 17:15 schrieb "Sawyer X" <xsawyerx at cpan.org>:

> I will probably do badly in English, but I'd be happy to give it a shot!
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM, William Stevenson <
> william at skybluecircles.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> If I can find it, I have Scattergories.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013, at 01:15 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
>>
>> i can bring chess board + clock if anyone interested
>>
>> --
>> sent by a bradDroid, please expect bradVity!
>> On May 22, 2013 12:47 PM, "Uri Guttman" <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>>  i will be bringing a travel scrabble set to the game night. i am looking
>> for some good competition. sign up on the game night wiki page (
>> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/**wiki?node=GameNight<http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight>)
>> or let me know if you want to play.
>>
>>  thanx,
>>
>>  uri
>>
>>  ______________________________**_________________
>>  yapc mailing list
>>  yapc at pm.org
>>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>>
>>
>>
>> *_______________________________________________*
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk  Wed May 22 14:21:55 2013
From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:55 -0400
Subject: RPGs at Game Night
Message-ID: <20130522212154.GA31624@eschaton.local>

As with last year, I plan to bring some gaming kit with me to YAPC. As
with last year, this will be Pathfinder (like D&D 3.5), as it's the
system I'm most familiar with. I plan to run at least on Game Night (if
not in the venue for Game Night, as it seems it will be loud and I like
to hear the people I play with). I will probably bring We Be Goblins
(http://paizo.com/products/btpy8j5w) and maybe a PFS scenario or two. I
will welcome anyone to my table who wants to have some fun. You don't
need to know the game, you don't need to bring any dice or minis. A
pencil would be useful, though.

I would like to run every night I'm at the venue (Sun-Wed) if there's
enough interest.

-- 
Chris Nehren

From jvp at bluehost.com  Wed May 22 14:23:01 2013
From: jvp at bluehost.com (Jason Van Patten)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:23:01 -0600
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
	<CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DHMxq63rhORqWa-=iiRgau8vbP+BEo3vDrb-W=3V6scqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025@geology.wisc.edu>
	<CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519D3735.1080901@bluehost.com>

The difference between learning and embarrassment is how much you 
begrudge the experience. I would like to believe that the focus of YAPC 
is to learn, even if it is embarrassing. I would also hope that 
forgiveness and acceptance are the tools we chose to use to facilitate 
that learning.

CoC in a nut shell.

JVP

From yapc2009 at wendy.org  Wed May 22 14:24:08 2013
From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 23:24:08 +0200
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
	<CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DHMxq63rhORqWa-=iiRgau8vbP+BEo3vDrb-W=3V6scqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025@geology.wisc.edu>
	<CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08536687529631@otje>

Sawyer++ and Michael McClennen++


At 11:10 PM 5/22/2013, Sawyer X wrote:

>On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Michael McClennen 
><<mailto:mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu>mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu> wrote:
>Reini,
>
>I think you should still give your talk.
>
>
>Please do.
>
>After handing the situation so responsibly (and setting an example 
>for us on how to deal with things), I think it would be a loss to 
>all if you were to pass on your talk. Please give it.
>
>_______________________________________________
>yapc mailing list
>yapc at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From olaf at wundersolutions.com  Wed May 22 14:24:52 2013
From: olaf at wundersolutions.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:24:52 -0400
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <mailman.28852.1369257675.22621.yapc@pm.org>
References: <mailman.28852.1369257675.22621.yapc@pm.org>
Message-ID: <DAC59242-0A26-4735-8563-D611660079BB@wundersolutions.com>


> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:53:08 -0500
> From: Michael McClennen <mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu>
> To: "YAPC::NA" <yapc at pm.org>
> Subject: Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
> Message-ID: <1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025 at geology.wisc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Reini,
> 
> I think you should still give your talk.

+1

Olaf


From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Wed May 22 14:29:55 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 00:29:55 +0300
Subject: scrabble at game night
In-Reply-To: <CAAaPMFwWp4q27MhFBNb=wFj0iwf_COd4oVmLdXZ3U5VpNoXF_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519CF691.6030103@stemsystems.com>
	<CAN+Wnj1BWSYkGKWX4Mw4fQsL04-bWC4hNjPgU_sT=t6YLjCLgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1369250802.10422.140661234416241.24FC5D55@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<CAMvkq_RgnxGLgW-Vnpw--TPdh01ibwb6j2H07rMQGJdrD9Djfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAaPMFwWp4q27MhFBNb=wFj0iwf_COd4oVmLdXZ3U5VpNoXF_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_S=psWvzP5sdwfnuBP2BSQwXQvG+vAQ0SGQgiCRaEDRAQ@mail.gmail.com>

No fair, you wrote like half of those!

Seriously, Auggy, leave me in your mother.[1] :)

[1] Probably worth noting:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leave%20me%20in%20your%20mother(3rd
definition is probably the closest)


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Augustina Blair <auggy at cpan.org> wrote:

> I will only play if Urban Dictionary counts as a "standard English
> dictionary".
>
> Augustina
> Am 22.05.2013 17:15 schrieb "Sawyer X" <xsawyerx at cpan.org>:
>
> I will probably do badly in English, but I'd be happy to give it a shot!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM, William Stevenson <
>> william at skybluecircles.com> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> If I can find it, I have Scattergories.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 22, 2013, at 01:15 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>> i can bring chess board + clock if anyone interested
>>>
>>> --
>>> sent by a bradDroid, please expect bradVity!
>>> On May 22, 2013 12:47 PM, "Uri Guttman" <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>>  i will be bringing a travel scrabble set to the game night. i am
>>> looking for some good competition. sign up on the game night wiki page (
>>> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/**wiki?node=GameNight<http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight>)
>>> or let me know if you want to play.
>>>
>>>  thanx,
>>>
>>>  uri
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>>>  yapc mailing list
>>>  yapc at pm.org
>>>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *_______________________________________________*
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Wed May 22 14:31:40 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 00:31:40 +0300
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <DAC59242-0A26-4735-8563-D611660079BB@wundersolutions.com>
References: <mailman.28852.1369257675.22621.yapc@pm.org>
	<DAC59242-0A26-4735-8563-D611660079BB@wundersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <CAMvkq_TAfEiFXwFki+cnGj2gN6R6D8OyG+-dxG8u2Ts04Q532w@mail.gmail.com>

And Jason++ for putting it so eloquently.


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Olaf Alders <olaf at wundersolutions.com>wrote:

>
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:53:08 -0500
> > From: Michael McClennen <mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu>
> > To: "YAPC::NA" <yapc at pm.org>
> > Subject: Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
> > Message-ID: <1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025 at geology.wisc.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Reini,
> >
> > I think you should still give your talk.
>
> +1
>
> Olaf
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From mpeters at plusthree.com  Wed May 22 14:42:11 2013
From: mpeters at plusthree.com (Michael Peters)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:42:11 -0400
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
	<CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DHMxq63rhORqWa-=iiRgau8vbP+BEo3vDrb-W=3V6scqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025@geology.wisc.edu>
	<CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519D3BB3.1040205@plusthree.com>

On 05/22/2013 05:10 PM, Sawyer X wrote:

> Please do.
>
> After handing the situation so responsibly (and setting an example for
> us on how to deal with things), I think it would be a loss to all if you
> were to pass on your talk. Please give it.

I completely agree. I think you've been a model for how to handle a 
mistake like this.

-- 
Michael Peters
Plus Three, LP


From btf at lanl.gov  Wed May 22 14:46:27 2013
From: btf at lanl.gov (Foley, Brian T)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:46:27 +0000
Subject: Concerning the Email Threads vs Google groups or whatever.
In-Reply-To: <CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
	<CAN483vfh99BSw8knJmo0hotcm9CRcWnRVAzK+oYTM5vjbZEzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DHMxq63rhORqWa-=iiRgau8vbP+BEo3vDrb-W=3V6scqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025@geology.wisc.edu>
	<CAMvkq_QigfsXhLEeEwFvC-rGy5gvMf31t1sRnZ4Deaf45oH-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61B8D086-3BA6-4721-82A9-B9891C11AEB0@lanl.gov>

I've been computing and using email lists and newsgroups, and Yahoo groups, wikis and
all sorts of group discussions since the "good old days" (1984).

I don't hink wikis and other newer tools are necessarily "better" for group communication.
For many things, I think I prefer to have a web sited that I visit, rather than having posts
trust in my face in my email in-box.  But then after a while, I neglect to visit the web site, and I
loose track of what is happening with the group.

But the biggest trade-off is when I feel I need to unsubscribe from an email list because
of too many replies to the whole group that could better be made in private among the 2
or 6 individuals who care about the sub-topic, which is off topic to the whole list.

A GOOGLE search for [Emily postnews netiquette<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=Jcc&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=Emily+postnews+netiquette&spell=1&sa=X&ei=LzedUaW_GK6GyQHum4GQAQ&ved=0CC8QvwUoAA>] brings up more, which ironically
is off-topic for this PERL list.

Getting back towards being on topic here, I was thinking that PERL programmers, and in particular
people who were "into" PERL enough to attend yet another conference on PERL, would
have some super-duper wiki or other modern communication device set up for this, instead
of a simple email list.

http://www.yapc.org/about.html

Sure, there are the local PERL User Groups:
http://www.pm.org/groups/north_america.html

but I am 90 miles from the nearest city that has one.  So I'd rather interact on-line with
people working closer to my area of interest, the BIOPERL community:
http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/Main_Page

Games, dinners, anti-dinners, hallway meetings, and HW++ are nice to hear about,
but maybe as a sideline to discussions of what to expect from a meeting, and not as the
main topics.

There is a YAPC "discussion" on FaceBook
https://www.facebook.com/pages/YAPC/133538816686027?rf=145177855492256#
that looks like it has not been updated since 2008.
On Facebook, I do not mind all sorts of endless discussion and we have the ability to "like"
a topic and so on.   But with e-mail I am expecting a lot less "traffic" unless the list offers a
daily or weekly digest mode.

So, could one of the "Hallway Meetings" get some folks together to discuss the uses of
social media (including simple email) to bring together Birds of a Feather, as well as simple
"friends and family"?   There are things a bit similar to Facebook, such as LinkedIn and
ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/home.Home.html  and even GOOG:E+
"communities" and GOOGLE+ "circles" (who has any idea what the differences are?).
Some of these things may be good, or better than simple email, for some subsets of the
PERL world.


Brian T. Foley, PhD
HIV Databases
Los Alamos National Laboratory
btf at lanl.gov<mailto:btf at lanl.gov>
505 665-1970

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From rurban at x-ray.at  Wed May 22 14:49:59 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:49:59 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Adam M Dutko <adam at oktud.com> wrote:
>> you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.
> I'm a first time attendee and imagine your slides are useful. Can you give
> us a location where we can find them?

Adam,

The abstract is here: http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.

But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers

From msouth at gmail.com  Wed May 22 15:57:48 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:57:48 -0500
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <DAC59242-0A26-4735-8563-D611660079BB@wundersolutions.com>
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	<DAC59242-0A26-4735-8563-D611660079BB@wundersolutions.com>
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Olaf Alders <olaf at wundersolutions.com>wrote:

>
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:53:08 -0500
> > From: Michael McClennen <mmcclenn at geology.wisc.edu>
> > To: "YAPC::NA" <yapc at pm.org>
> > Subject: Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
> > Message-ID: <1780EC0A-CFCB-4F51-834A-90809120E025 at geology.wisc.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Reini,
> >
> > I think you should still give your talk.
>
> +1
>
> +1

also I hereby pledge to donate $50 to The Perl Foundation's "Retire the
Kerfuffle" fund.

mike
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From dan at cpanel.net  Wed May 22 16:21:30 2013
From: dan at cpanel.net (Dan Muey)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:21:30 -0500
Subject: Anyone up for Six Pack again this year?
Message-ID: <DB2A3E46-ABE7-4FF9-A1BE-D4237CC45FBB@cpanel.net>

Sorry, it doesn't involve beer but it was a hit in Madison!

Rules: http://wrttn.in/84bafb

--
Dan Muey - cPanel Developer
dan at cpanel.net



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From jonathan at leto.net  Wed May 22 16:38:38 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:38:38 -0700
Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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Howdy,

> The abstract is here: http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
> The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.
>
> But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers

I agree, some details will be beyond the knowledge of first-timers.

Even so, the details of this talk are extremely relevant and important
to the design of Perl 5 core, Perl 6, Parrot and any other modern
language or virtual machine.

Surely many Parrot and Rakudo developers (including myself) would
benefit from your talk.

Pretty please with a cherry on top?

Duke


-- 
Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net>
Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
@dukeleto

From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed May 22 16:43:12 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:12 -0500
Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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On May 22, 2013, at 6:38 PM, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" <jonathan at leto.net> wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
>> The abstract is here: http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
>> The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.
>> 
>> But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers
> 
> I agree, some details will be beyond the knowledge of first-timers.
> 
> Even so, the details of this talk are extremely relevant and important
> to the design of Perl 5 core, Perl 6, Parrot and any other modern
> language or virtual machine.
> 
> Surely many Parrot and Rakudo developers (including myself) would
> benefit from your talk.
> 
> Pretty please with a cherry on top?

I've spoken to Reini and persuaded him to put his talk back in. Here it is:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841

Todd
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From rurban at x-ray.at  Wed May 22 17:06:24 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:06:24 -0500
Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <40D6D50F-535D-4FB7-A2CD-2F5818CE2A38@cpanel.net>
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:) thanks for persuading me

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
>
> On May 22, 2013, at 6:38 PM, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" <jonathan at leto.net>
> wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> The abstract is here: http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
> The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.
>
> But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers
>
>
> I agree, some details will be beyond the knowledge of first-timers.
>
> Even so, the details of this talk are extremely relevant and important
> to the design of Perl 5 core, Perl 6, Parrot and any other modern
> language or virtual machine.
>
> Surely many Parrot and Rakudo developers (including myself) would
> benefit from your talk.
>
> Pretty please with a cherry on top?
>
>
> I've spoken to Reini and persuaded him to put his talk back in. Here it is:
>
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841
>
> Todd



-- 
Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/

From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org  Wed May 22 17:27:52 2013
From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:27:52 -0400
Subject: RPGs at Game Night
In-Reply-To: <20130522212154.GA31624@eschaton.local>
References: <20130522212154.GA31624@eschaton.local>
Message-ID: <20130523002752.GA18885@cancer.codesimply.com>


Similarly, I will be running a game on game night.  It will be something in the
vein of Basic D&D, but different.  Whatever, man:  there will be monsters,
killer cyborgs, divine healers, and a table for hilarious-but-unfortunate
Teleport accidents.  I will provide pregens.

Note your extreme enthusiasm at:
  http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight

I would be happy to try to run more than one session during the week, if there
is interest, and if time permits.

-- 
rjbs
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From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk  Wed May 22 18:34:13 2013
From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:34:13 -0400
Subject: RPGs at Game Night
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 20:27:52 -0400 , Ricardo Signes wrote:
> 
> Similarly, I will be running a game on game night.  It will be something in the
> vein of Basic D&D, but different.  Whatever, man:  there will be monsters,
> killer cyborgs, divine healers, and a table for hilarious-but-unfortunate
> Teleport accidents.  I will provide pregens.
> 
> Note your extreme enthusiasm at:
>   http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight

I've now added a section for people to express interest in Pathfinder,
as well. I wholeheartedly suggest you try to get a spot at rjbs's table,
too: he's quite a stellar GM and very fun to run with.

-- 
Chris Nehren

From gizmomathboy at gmail.com  Wed May 22 18:41:58 2013
From: gizmomathboy at gmail.com (gizmo mathboy)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:41:58 -0400
Subject: RPGs at Game Night
In-Reply-To: <20130523013411.GF31624@eschaton.local>
References: <20130522212154.GA31624@eschaton.local>
	<20130523002752.GA18885@cancer.codesimply.com>
	<20130523013411.GF31624@eschaton.local>
Message-ID: <519D73E6.3060506@gmail.com>

On 05/22/2013 09:34 PM, Chris Nehren wrote:
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 20:27:52 -0400 , Ricardo Signes wrote:
>>
>> Similarly, I will be running a game on game night.  It will be something in the
>> vein of Basic D&D, but different.  Whatever, man:  there will be monsters,
>> killer cyborgs, divine healers, and a table for hilarious-but-unfortunate
>> Teleport accidents.  I will provide pregens.
>>
>> Note your extreme enthusiasm at:
>>   http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight
> 
> I've now added a section for people to express interest in Pathfinder,
> as well. I wholeheartedly suggest you try to get a spot at rjbs's table,
> too: he's quite a stellar GM and very fun to run with.
> 

And he handles a TPK very well. :-)

gizmo

It's only graphite and wood pulp after all...

From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org  Wed May 22 18:45:51 2013
From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:45:51 -0400
Subject: RPGs at Game Night
In-Reply-To: <519D73E6.3060506@gmail.com>
References: <20130522212154.GA31624@eschaton.local>
	<20130523002752.GA18885@cancer.codesimply.com>
	<20130523013411.GF31624@eschaton.local>
	<519D73E6.3060506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130523014551.GA19581@cancer.codesimply.com>

* gizmo mathboy <gizmomathboy at gmail.com> [2013-05-22T21:41:58]
> And he handles a TPK very well. :-)

This time, I think we'll have less chance of that.  The PCs are tougher.

Then again, so are the killer cyborgs.

-- 
rjbs
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From gizmomathboy at gmail.com  Wed May 22 18:50:10 2013
From: gizmomathboy at gmail.com (Joe Kline)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:50:10 -0400
Subject: RPGs at Game Night
In-Reply-To: <20130523014551.GA19581@cancer.codesimply.com>
References: <20130522212154.GA31624@eschaton.local>
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In all fairness, it really wasn't anything rjbs did...we rolled poorly
initially...and didn't recover fully...

And I play rather fast and loose in one shot games...

gizmo
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From deven at ties.org  Wed May 22 19:07:58 2013
From: deven at ties.org (Deven T. Corzine)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:07:58 -0400
Subject: Anyone up for Six Pack again this year?
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Never played it, but sounds interesting!

Deven


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Dan Muey <dan at cpanel.net> wrote:

> Sorry, it doesn't involve beer but it was a hit in Madison!
>
> Rules: http://wrttn.in/84bafb
>
> --
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> dan at cpanel.net
>
>
>
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From aaron.stone at cpanel.net  Wed May 22 20:01:48 2013
From: aaron.stone at cpanel.net (Aaron Stone)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:01:48 -0500
Subject: Anyone up for Six Pack again this year?
In-Reply-To: <CAFVdu0RJ=C6vARvaTGOu+wt1uhJA_vSph3qBA2mQjS8Z3kZxgg@mail.gmail.com>
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Enjoyed that last year.  I'm in.  :)

Aaron

On May 22, 2013, at 9:07 PM, "Deven T. Corzine" <deven at ties.org> wrote:

> Never played it, but sounds interesting!
> 
> Deven
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Dan Muey <dan at cpanel.net> wrote:
> Sorry, it doesn't involve beer but it was a hit in Madison!
> 
> Rules: http://wrttn.in/84bafb
> 
> --
> Dan Muey - cPanel Developer
> dan at cpanel.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rurban at x-ray.at  Wed May 22 20:05:15 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:05:15 -0500
Subject: Two evening social events
In-Reply-To: <519D05A0.7050103@stemsystems.com>
References: <519D05A0.7050103@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DGBYzGQwrU091Tcc4-eThdET21BkopU6-JQhm7cLPa9rQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> alamo draft house

Great!

Beware that this cinema is a world legend. Maybe even more famous than
the chinese theatre in Hollywood.
Home of the legendary SXSW movie festival where e.g. the mumblecore
movement was born - Greta Gerwig now being a big star,
where every wednesday legendary bad movie nights are held (e.g. with
Tsui Hark, one of the best HongKong directors who happen to study in
Austin),
with legendary self-made trailers of very bad 70ies movies before
every screening, that's why this theatre is packed at least 30 minutes
before, not to miss these trailers, with personal introduction of the
movie selector (who happens to be either a famous actor, director or
famous critic), and so on.
The owner Harry Knowles does "Ain't It Cool News" http://www.aintitcool.com/
Not to miss when you are in Austin.

The downsides:
- You eat in the theatre so it smells of garlic and food.
- Do not sit in the first row. You'll see nothing.

--
Reini

From michael at thegrebs.com  Wed May 22 20:37:02 2013
From: michael at thegrebs.com (Michael Greb)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 23:37:02 -0400
Subject: Anyone up for Six Pack again this year?
In-Reply-To: <4AFA9BA3-B4FB-4C00-8609-2F94295FDAE6@cpanel.net>
References: <DB2A3E46-ABE7-4FF9-A1BE-D4237CC45FBB@cpanel.net>
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> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Dan Muey <dan at cpanel.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, it doesn't involve beer but it was a hit in Madison!
>>
>> Rules: http://wrttn.in/84bafb

As long as Aaron Phillips plays so I can beat him again, I'm down.

--
Mike Greb
562-MIKEGRB
http://michael.thegrebs.com

From jt at plainblack.com  Wed May 22 21:08:09 2013
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 23:08:09 -0500
Subject: Game Night: Lacuna Expanse & Bridge Command
Message-ID: <29B321A9-49D0-4882-83F5-C7DFBA50EAF3@plainblack.com>

I've added two games to the game night page that I made. The first is the board game version of The Lacuna Expanse (2 to 4 players). The second is a new game called Bridge Command, in which 3 to 7 players work co-operatively to save a disabled ship from an attacking alien fleet. 

If you're interested in trying out these games, please add your name to the interested players list. 

From xsawyerx at cpan.org  Wed May 22 23:22:08 2013
From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:22:08 +0300
Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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Thank you Todd and thank you Reini. :)


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> :) thanks for persuading me
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
> >
> > On May 22, 2013, at 6:38 PM, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" <jonathan at leto.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > The abstract is here: http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
> > The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.
> >
> > But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers
> >
> >
> > I agree, some details will be beyond the knowledge of first-timers.
> >
> > Even so, the details of this talk are extremely relevant and important
> > to the design of Perl 5 core, Perl 6, Parrot and any other modern
> > language or virtual machine.
> >
> > Surely many Parrot and Rakudo developers (including myself) would
> > benefit from your talk.
> >
> > Pretty please with a cherry on top?
> >
> >
> > I've spoken to Reini and persuaded him to put his talk back in. Here it
> is:
> >
> > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841
> >
> > Todd
>
>
>
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://cpanel.net/   http://www.perl-compiler.org/
>
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From szabgab at gmail.com  Thu May 23 00:08:22 2013
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:08:22 +0300
Subject: Concerning the Email Threads vs Google groups or whatever.
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hi Brian,

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Foley, Brian T <btf at lanl.gov> wrote:

> But the biggest trade-off is when I feel I need to unsubscribe from an email
> list because
> of too many replies to the whole group that could better be made in private
> among the 2
> or 6 individuals who care about the sub-topic, which is off topic to the
> whole list.

I am subscribed to a lot of mailing lists. In most of them I just
"lurk". Look at the subject,
sometimes even at the content of the messages and then delete the mail.
There are many cases when I am interested what others say but either I
don't want to
"say" anything. If those 2-6 who actually write and seem to be care
about the sub-topic
take it off the list I won't be able to see their discussion.

I wrote this in first person as I don't know how other think about
this, but various statistics
show that only 5-20% of the subscribers on a mailing list write in any
given *year*. So the
vast majority lurks. I have no idea if they read every single message
or auto-delete everything.


> Getting back towards being on topic here, I was thinking that PERL
> programmers, and in particular
> people who were "into" PERL enough to attend yet another conference on PERL,
> would
> have some super-duper wiki or other modern communication device set up for
> this, instead
> of a simple email list.
>
> http://www.yapc.org/about.html

YAPC::NA has a wiki http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki
and IRC channel and mailing list and probably a lot of other ways to
communicate.
and G+ page, FB page and Twitter account and ...
You can decide which one to follow.

> Games, dinners, anti-dinners, hallway meetings, and HW++ are nice to hear
> about,
> but maybe as a sideline to discussions of what to expect from a meeting, and
> not as the
> main topics.

For many people the social aspect of the conference is more important than the
technical aspect. For others, it is the opposite way. The technical
part - the presentations
is usually mapped out fairly well by the organizers and usually you can see this
in the schedule: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/schedule
OTOH the social part is to a large extent self-organized. The YAPC
organizers provide
the 'platform' aka. the rooms, and they organize some of the social events,
but I think most of the social events are self-organized by the participants.
Hence you hear a lot more about those on the public forums (mailing
list, IRC etc.)


>
> There is a YAPC "discussion" on FaceBook
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/YAPC/133538816686027?rf=145177855492256#
> that looks like it has not been updated since 2008.
> On Facebook, I do not mind all sorts of endless discussion and we have the
> ability to "like"
> a topic and so on.   But with e-mail I am expecting a lot less "traffic"
> unless the list offers a
> daily or weekly digest mode.

I think Facebook never caught-on with many of the Perl developers.
Google+ seem to attract more of them.

Again, I can only give my own example: I configured my e-mail client
to move all the YAPC related messages in one folder. That allows me to
filter those out. Then I can go over the messages when time permits.
eg. once a day
*and* it organizes them in threads.
I find it much better (for myself) than having a digest.


>
> So, could one of the "Hallway Meetings" get some folks together to discuss
> the uses of
> social media (including simple email) to bring together Birds of a Feather,
> as well as simple
> "friends and family"?   There are things a bit similar to Facebook, such as
> LinkedIn and
> ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/home.Home.html  and even GOOG:E+
> "communities" and GOOGLE+ "circles" (who has any idea what the differences
> are?).
> Some of these things may be good, or better than simple email, for some
> subsets of the
> PERL world.

See "Social connect" on the right hand side of http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/
for links how to "follow" YAPC::NA on your favourite social network.

There are a few Perl related communities on G+ and on Facebook,
but as far as I can tell, they are not used a lot.

regards
Gabor

From parv at pair.com  Thu May 23 00:09:57 2013
From: parv at pair.com (parv at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:09:57 -1000
Subject: Anti-Arrival Dinner
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305211306060.16887@urth.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305211306060.16887@urth.org>
Message-ID: <20130523070957.GA1549@holstein.holy.cow>

in message <alpine.DEB.2.00.1305211306060.16887 at urth.org>,
wrote Dave Rolsky thusly...
>
> I just wanted to remind folks that in addition to the Arrival Dinner,
> we'll also be having an Anti-Arrival Dinner. No, it's not a departure
> dinner, it's simply a dinner at the same time with fewer people at a
> different venue.
...

I will be coming to Austin on Jun 4 night, so won't be able to
attend any of the group dinner events. However ...


> Afterwards I plan to go to a vegan ice cream parlor, then pass out in a
> sugar-induced coma. You are welcome to join me for that as well.

Dave, care to share the name/location of the above? BTW, would you
happen to know of a good chocolate cake or cheesecake (for that
matter, other sweet things) place?


-- 


From yapc2009 at wendy.org  Thu May 23 01:20:26 2013
From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:20:26 +0200
Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
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At 01:43 AM 5/23/2013, Todd Rinaldo wrote:

>On May 22, 2013, at 6:38 PM, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" 
><<mailto:jonathan at leto.net>jonathan at leto.net> wrote:
>
>>Howdy,
>>
>>>The abstract is here: 
>>><http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html>http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
>>>The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.
>>>
>>>But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers
>>
>>I agree, some details will be beyond the knowledge of first-timers.
>>
>>Even so, the details of this talk are extremely relevant and important
>>to the design of Perl 5 core, Perl 6, Parrot and any other modern
>>language or virtual machine.
>>
>>Surely many Parrot and Rakudo developers (including myself) would
>>benefit from your talk.
>>
>>Pretty please with a cherry on top?
>
>I've spoken to Reini and persuaded him to put his talk back in. Here it is:
>
><http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841>http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841
>
>Todd


Reini++
Todd++
Perl-community++
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From scott_layne_gillespie at hotmail.com  Thu May 23 05:25:29 2013
From: scott_layne_gillespie at hotmail.com (Scott Gillespie)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:25:29 -0500
Subject: unsubscribe me, please.
Message-ID: <BAY154-W494607EE471234F44A899BABAA0@phx.gbl>

I did the online unsubscribe. It did not work. Please unsub me from this list. 
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From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org  Thu May 23 06:19:58 2013
From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:19:58 -0400
Subject: Two evening social events
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* Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> [2013-05-22T23:05:15]
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> > alamo draft house
> 
> Great!
> [ ... effusive praise snipped ... ]

Thanks!  I was not interested before, but now it does sound "not to miss!"

-- 
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From autarch at urth.org  Thu May 23 06:40:40 2013
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:40:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Anti-Arrival Dinner
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On Wed, 22 May 2013, parv at pair.com wrote:

>> Afterwards I plan to go to a vegan ice cream parlor, then pass out in a
>> sugar-induced coma. You are welcome to join me for that as well.
>
> Dave, care to share the name/location of the above? BTW, would you
> happen to know of a good chocolate cake or cheesecake (for that
> matter, other sweet things) place?

The vegan ice cream parlor is called Sweet Ritual 
(http://www.sweetritual.com/). There is also a vegan bakery, Capital City 
Bakery (http://www.capitalcitybakery.com/).



-dave

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From GMeece at algebraixdata.com  Thu May 23 09:14:40 2013
From: GMeece at algebraixdata.com (Greg Meece)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:14:40 +0000
Subject: Two evening social events
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AFAIK, Harry Knowles is merely a patron of Alamo Drafthouse - not the owner (I've seen him at a couple of screenings).  See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamo_Drafthouse_Cinema#Company_sold

However, Reini's right on this - if you want to see a Drafthouse movie, you need to buy your tickets in advance. Many of the locations now require you to select your seat ahead of time (part of the online ticket purchase process), and you'd be surprised how quickly showings sell out or sell down to just a few bad seats.

Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead
Algebraix Data Corporation
9601 Amberglen Blvd, Suite G-119
Austin, TX 78729
www.algebraixdata.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+gmeece=algebraixdata.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Reini Urban
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:05 PM
To: Uri Guttman
Cc: YAPC::NA
Subject: Re: Two evening social events

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> alamo draft house

Great!

Beware that this cinema is a world legend. Maybe even more famous than the chinese theatre in Hollywood.
Home of the legendary SXSW movie festival where e.g. the mumblecore movement was born - Greta Gerwig now being a big star, where every wednesday legendary bad movie nights are held (e.g. with Tsui Hark, one of the best HongKong directors who happen to study in Austin), with legendary self-made trailers of very bad 70ies movies before every screening, that's why this theatre is packed at least 30 minutes before, not to miss these trailers, with personal introduction of the movie selector (who happens to be either a famous actor, director or famous critic), and so on.
The owner Harry Knowles does "Ain't It Cool News" http://www.aintitcool.com/ Not to miss when you are in Austin.

The downsides:
- You eat in the theatre so it smells of garlic and food.
- Do not sit in the first row. You'll see nothing.

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From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 23 23:30:16 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 02:30:16 -0400
Subject: movie night status
Message-ID: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

here is the lastest poop on the movie night. things are flux but we have 
some general plans. and nothing is in stone yet so look at this as an 
outline.

first off, i have been joined in this project by the folks at crowd 
tilt. they are a perl shop that organizes and manages the money for 
events like movie night. they want to help as well as sponsor it. this 
will make the evening much more affordable for attendees.

here are the rough ideas. attendees will buy a ticket for $15 via crowd 
tilt. that will get them admission and one drink (beer or mixed). food 
(which looks interesting from the menu) is on your own tab. our goal is 
at least 50 people. crowd tilt will be sponsoring the rest of the 
expense. the numbers are variable so it may work with fewer people or 
something.

the bad news is the theater we want is the alamo ritz on 6th st. it is 
the old classic one everyone means when they say drafthouse. they are 
showing the hangover 3 which isn't any good from what everyone says. 
star trek is showing at another alamo venue and would be more expensive 
since they charge extra for first run movies.

the alamo ritz has a 72 person theater there. we can sit, eat, drink and 
talk back to the movies as we will have the whole room.

we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his cromulent 
collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has digital projection 
so that should highlight the quality cinematography of these fine flicks!

we expect to send out a short list of some classic films. we will have 
to vote on them quickly as this event is just a week from monday. hard 
to believe yapc is approaching as it has never been held in early june.

so chime in with whatever. keep it civil. hold your catcalls for the 
actual screening!

thanx,

uri

From reini.urban at gmail.com  Thu May 23 23:38:00 2013
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 01:38:00 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <C163851A-D2DA-42CF-9126-A19754CC2979@gmail.com>

On May 24, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> the bad news is the theater we want is the alamo ritz on 6th st. it is the old classic one everyone means when they say drafthouse. they are showing the hangover 3 which isn't any good from what everyone says.

don't believe the critics. hangover 3 is fun. 
not as good as hangover 1 of course, but much much better than hangover 2.
we just saw it in a sold-out big theatre and everybody had fun.
would be fun to see it again.

> star trek is showing at another alamo venue and would be more expensive since they charge extra for first run movies.
> 
> the alamo ritz has a 72 person theater there. we can sit, eat, drink and talk back to the movies as we will have the whole room.
> 
> we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has digital projection so that should highlight the quality cinematography of these fine flicks!
> 
> we expect to send out a short list of some classic films. we will have to vote on them quickly as this event is just a week from monday. hard to believe yapc is approaching as it has never been held in early june.
> 

they have a LOT of old classic and super-weird films on 16mm and 32mm. 
sci-fi, kungfu, nonsense, sleazy 70ies, ...


From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 23 23:56:36 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 02:56:36 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <C163851A-D2DA-42CF-9126-A19754CC2979@gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<C163851A-D2DA-42CF-9126-A19754CC2979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519F0F24.9070703@stemsystems.com>

On 05/24/2013 02:38 AM, Reini Urban wrote:
> On May 24, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>> the bad news is the theater we want is the alamo ritz on 6th st. it is the old classic one everyone means when they say drafthouse. they are showing the hangover 3 which isn't any good from what everyone says.
>
> don't believe the critics. hangover 3 is fun.
> not as good as hangover 1 of course, but much much better than hangover 2.
> we just saw it in a sold-out big theatre and everybody had fun.
> would be fun to see it again.
>

i would veto it anyway. such is the power vested in me! :-)

>
> they have a LOT of old classic and super-weird films on 16mm and 32mm.
> sci-fi, kungfu, nonsense, sleazy 70ies, ...


that is dave adler's forte. perhaps they should consult with him on that 
choice or even both. i just want something with a broader appeal than 
most of those wacky flicks. i was thinking of hitchcock like notorious 
or vertigo. someone brought up ronin which i like. sleeper is a rare 
good sci-fi comedy. we could just fart around and see blazing saddles. 
hell, the horror film geeks can share our enjoyment of young 
frankenstein and its authentic sparking effects.

thanx,

uri



From deb at eximiousproductions.com  Fri May 24 07:02:21 2013
From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:02:21 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <519F0F24.9070703@stemsystems.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<C163851A-D2DA-42CF-9126-A19754CC2979@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE3dWx8BE3VwRL_r=LuH5th0v89bAW8f+zhouL0XXEMZwa8WQg@mail.gmail.com>

Sleepdealer is a newer but small budget sci-fi film that I can heartily
recommend.
Deb

On Friday, May 24, 2013, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> On 05/24/2013 02:38 AM, Reini Urban wrote:
>>
>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> the bad news is the theater we want is the alamo ritz on 6th st. it is
the old classic one everyone means when they say drafthouse. they are
showing the hangover 3 which isn't any good from what everyone says.
>>
>> don't believe the critics. hangover 3 is fun.
>> not as good as hangover 1 of course, but much much better than hangover
2.
>> we just saw it in a sold-out big theatre and everybody had fun.
>> would be fun to see it again.
>>
>
> i would veto it anyway. such is the power vested in me! :-)
>
>>
>> they have a LOT of old classic and super-weird films on 16mm and 32mm.
>> sci-fi, kungfu, nonsense, sleazy 70ies, ...
>
>
> that is dave adler's forte. perhaps they should consult with him on that
choice or even both. i just want something with a broader appeal than most
of those wacky flicks. i was thinking of hitchcock like notorious or
vertigo. someone brought up ronin which i like. sleeper is a rare good
sci-fi comedy. we could just fart around and see blazing saddles. hell, the
horror film geeks can share our enjoyment of young frankenstein and its
authentic sparking effects.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
>
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From GMeece at algebraixdata.com  Fri May 24 07:06:35 2013
From: GMeece at algebraixdata.com (Greg Meece)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:06:35 +0000
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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Even though it's not the same "experience" as the Alamo, the Bob Bullock Museum is showing "Star Trek: Into Darkness" on their true IMAX theater.  Here's the ticketing URL:
http://www.museumtix.com/ticket/ord_eventdate.aspx?vid=792&pid=18673464&evd=5%2f1%2f2013&pvt=tsh

I say "true" in that IMAX has two licensed theater styles - the old school big type (such as the Bob Bullock IMAX) and the newer digital "baby IMAX". I was rather disappointed when I saw a movie here in Austin on the smaller screen.  See:
http://robleeper.com/blog/troubles-with-imax

Anyway - just to let you know there's more than the Alamo here in Austin.

Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead
Algebraix Data Corporation
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From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+gmeece=algebraixdata.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Uri Guttman
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:30 AM
To: yapc at pm.org
Subject: movie night status

hi all,

here is the lastest poop on the movie night. things are flux but we have some general plans. and nothing is in stone yet so look at this as an outline.

first off, i have been joined in this project by the folks at crowd tilt. they are a perl shop that organizes and manages the money for events like movie night. they want to help as well as sponsor it. this will make the evening much more affordable for attendees.

here are the rough ideas. attendees will buy a ticket for $15 via crowd tilt. that will get them admission and one drink (beer or mixed). food (which looks interesting from the menu) is on your own tab. our goal is at least 50 people. crowd tilt will be sponsoring the rest of the expense. the numbers are variable so it may work with fewer people or something.

the bad news is the theater we want is the alamo ritz on 6th st. it is the old classic one everyone means when they say drafthouse. they are showing the hangover 3 which isn't any good from what everyone says. 
star trek is showing at another alamo venue and would be more expensive since they charge extra for first run movies.

the alamo ritz has a 72 person theater there. we can sit, eat, drink and talk back to the movies as we will have the whole room.

we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has digital projection so that should highlight the quality cinematography of these fine flicks!

we expect to send out a short list of some classic films. we will have to vote on them quickly as this event is just a week from monday. hard to believe yapc is approaching as it has never been held in early june.

so chime in with whatever. keep it civil. hold your catcalls for the actual screening!

thanx,

uri

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From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 07:38:57 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:38:57 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF525028DF9@mako.adc.local>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF525028DF9@mako.adc.local>
Message-ID: <C182F503-36F3-474F-9B63-702F0066516C@cpanel.net>


On May 24, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Greg Meece <GMeece at algebraixdata.com> wrote:

> Anyway - just to let you know there's more than the Alamo here in Austin.

Heresy! How am I going to get beer with my movie?

Todd

From dan at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 10:35:12 2013
From: dan at cpanel.net (Dan Muey)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:35:12 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <C182F503-36F3-474F-9B63-702F0066516C@cpanel.net>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF525028DF9@mako.adc.local>
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On May 24, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote:

> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Greg Meece <GMeece at algebraixdata.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyway - just to let you know there's more than the Alamo here in Austin.
> 
> Heresy! How am I going to get beer with my movie?

large pockets?

From dha at panix.com  Fri May 24 12:36:32 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:36:32 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:30:16AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> 
> we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his
> cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has
> digital projection so that should highlight the quality
> cinematography of these fine flicks!

Happy to do so. Any idea how I need to bring said film(s) if we're doing
it at the Alamo? I've got a hard drive full of stuff, but I can
certainly bring stuff on dvd/blu-ray if that works better.

Since you're talking to them, could you query and let me know?

> we expect to send out a short list of some classic films. we will
> have to vote on them quickly as this event is just a week from
> monday. hard to believe yapc is approaching as it has never been
> held in early june.

For what it's worth, I can bring good/classic films as well. Contrary to
popular belief, I own a bunch of those too. :-)

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
If you have a square-pattern aura, you will be shot to death by Federal
agents.	- NYC street lunatic with a red hat.

From denise at dwscoalition.org  Fri May 24 12:42:12 2013
From: denise at dwscoalition.org (Denise Paolucci)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:42:12 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
Message-ID: <7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>


On May 24, 2013, at 3:36 PM, David H. Adler wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:30:16AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> 
>> we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his
>> cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has
>> digital projection so that should highlight the quality
>> cinematography of these fine flicks!
> 
> Happy to do so. Any idea how I need to bring said film(s) if we're doing
> it at the Alamo? I've got a hard drive full of stuff, but I can
> certainly bring stuff on dvd/blu-ray if that works better.
> 
> Since you're talking to them, could you query and let me know?

sadly, they will almost certainly not allow you to screen a film that you bring with you, either digitally or on disc. the rights for public performance (ie, showing in a movie theatre) are different than the rights for home viewing (or, apparently, viewing on an oil rig. no, really, the fbi warning on dvds specifically mentions that you can't view a disc on an oil rig. i don't get it either) and home viewing rights do not convey to public performance rights. there is no compulsory license for movies the way there is for performance of music.

unless the theatre has negotiated a license with the distribution rightsholder of the movie you want to screen, to screen films for public performance that were purchased on dvd for home use, you will be better off making a list of movies you'd like to screen, submitting them to the theatre, and seeing if they have prints of any of those films. 

:(

--D

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From dha at panix.com  Fri May 24 12:47:38 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:47:38 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:42:12PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 3:36 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:30:16AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> >> 
> >> we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his
> >> cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has
> >> digital projection so that should highlight the quality
> >> cinematography of these fine flicks!
> > 
> > Happy to do so. Any idea how I need to bring said film(s) if we're doing
> > it at the Alamo? I've got a hard drive full of stuff, but I can
> > certainly bring stuff on dvd/blu-ray if that works better.
> > 
> > Since you're talking to them, could you query and let me know?
> 
> sadly, they will almost certainly not allow you to screen a film that you bring with you, either digitally or on disc. the rights for public performance (ie, showing in a movie theatre) are different than the rights for home viewing (or, apparently, viewing on an oil rig. no, really, the fbi warning on dvds specifically mentions that you can't view a disc on an oil rig. i don't get it either) and home viewing rights do not convey to public performance rights. there is no compulsory license for movies the way there is for performance of music.
> 
> unless the theatre has negotiated a license with the distribution rightsholder of the movie you want to screen, to screen films for public performance that were purchased on dvd for home use, you will be better off making a list of movies you'd like to screen, submitting them to the theatre, and seeing if they have prints of any of those films. 

In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.

> :(

Agreed.

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Assume the person who'll need to maintain your code owns an axe and
isn't afraid to use it          - Dan Sugalski on good coding practice

From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 12:50:01 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd E Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:50:01 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
Message-ID: <33ED7A8F-1410-4D72-B584-834B190BEB5B@cpanel.net>

My conversations with them earlier this year was that they can pretty much license any movie requested for $200-$300 and they have a very extensive catalog

On May 24, 2013, at 2:47 PM, "David H. Adler" <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:42:12PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:36 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:30:16AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his
>>>> cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has
>>>> digital projection so that should highlight the quality
>>>> cinematography of these fine flicks!
>>> 
>>> Happy to do so. Any idea how I need to bring said film(s) if we're doing
>>> it at the Alamo? I've got a hard drive full of stuff, but I can
>>> certainly bring stuff on dvd/blu-ray if that works better.
>>> 
>>> Since you're talking to them, could you query and let me know?
>> 
>> sadly, they will almost certainly not allow you to screen a film that you bring with you, either digitally or on disc. the rights for public performance (ie, showing in a movie theatre) are different than the rights for home viewing (or, apparently, viewing on an oil rig. no, really, the fbi warning on dvds specifically mentions that you can't view a disc on an oil rig. i don't get it either) and home viewing rights do not convey to public performance rights. there is no compulsory license for movies the way there is for performance of music.
>> 
>> unless the theatre has negotiated a license with the distribution rightsholder of the movie you want to screen, to screen films for public performance that were purchased on dvd for home use, you will be better off making a list of movies you'd like to screen, submitting them to the theatre, and seeing if they have prints of any of those films.
> 
> In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
> guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
> 
>> :(
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> -- 
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> Assume the person who'll need to maintain your code owns an axe and
> isn't afraid to use it          - Dan Sugalski on good coding practice
> 
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From anewkirk at ana.io  Fri May 24 12:52:11 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:52:11 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
Message-ID: <CAEoAez6q+JhDL9kmr6y5LkwoYMe0MqJ6mHCoipiftpfkKL6U6g@mail.gmail.com>

I love end-of-the-world movies, and space exploration films, oh, and
hacker/techie movies too of-course  (e.g. 2012, The Day After Tomorrow,
Deep Impact, The Core, Skyline, Contact, I am Legend, Solaris, Astronaut
Farmer, Pandorum, Mission to Mars, The Matrix (the first one, obviously),
Tron (the new one, obviously), Swordfish, Hackers (obviously), iRobot, $007
(any of the ones with Daniel Craig, ... and yes I realize you can't start a
Perl variable with a number, ... sheesh, c'mon nerds) ...

... or Office Space :)

</alnewkirk>


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:30:16AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> >
> > we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his
> > cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has
> > digital projection so that should highlight the quality
> > cinematography of these fine flicks!
>
> Happy to do so. Any idea how I need to bring said film(s) if we're doing
> it at the Alamo? I've got a hard drive full of stuff, but I can
> certainly bring stuff on dvd/blu-ray if that works better.
>
> Since you're talking to them, could you query and let me know?
>
> > we expect to send out a short list of some classic films. we will
> > have to vote on them quickly as this event is just a week from
> > monday. hard to believe yapc is approaching as it has never been
> > held in early june.
>
> For what it's worth, I can bring good/classic films as well. Contrary to
> popular belief, I own a bunch of those too. :-)
>
> dha
>
> --
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> If you have a square-pattern aura, you will be shot to death by Federal
> agents. - NYC street lunatic with a red hat.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From waltman at pobox.com  Fri May 24 13:00:14 2013
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:00:14 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:36:32PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
> For what it's worth, I can bring good/classic films as well. Contrary to
> popular belief, I own a bunch of those too. :-)

Do you mean to imply that "For Y'ur Height Only" isn't a classic?

Walt

From denise at dwscoalition.org  Fri May 24 13:09:53 2013
From: denise at dwscoalition.org (Denise Paolucci)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:09:53 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
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On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:

> In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
> guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.

from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have licenses for!

as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)


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From anewkirk at ana.io  Fri May 24 13:16:07 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:16:07 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
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Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make decent
flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element (Bruce
Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one of those.

</alnewkirk>


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org>wrote:

>
> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>
> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>
> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather large
> library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have
> licenses for!
>
> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>
>
> --
> Denise Paolucci
> denise at dwscoalition.org
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> us: www.dreamwidth.org
>
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From waltman at pobox.com  Fri May 24 13:18:33 2013
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:18:33 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
Message-ID: <20130524201833.GE27664@mawode.com>

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:09:53PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> 
> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
> 
> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
> large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that
> they have licenses for!
> 
> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)

Drexel University recently hosted a "Mega-Bad Movie Night" as part of
our annual Engineers Week festivities.  The movie they chose was "The
Core".

I'd never seen it before, but I can report that it was, indeed,
mega-bad.

Walt

From chris at fedde.us  Fri May 24 13:37:04 2013
From: chris at fedde.us (Chris Fedde)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:37:04 -0600
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524201833.GE27664@mawode.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
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I'll add  _Once Upon A Time In Mexico_ as a high star count low results
movie.  But it has plenty of guns and explosions to make up somewhat.  It's
almost up there with Batman and Robin.


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Walt Mankowski <waltman at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:09:53PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
> >
> > On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> >
> > > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
> > > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
> >
> > from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
> > large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that
> > they have licenses for!
> >
> > as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>
> Drexel University recently hosted a "Mega-Bad Movie Night" as part of
> our annual Engineers Week festivities.  The movie they chose was "The
> Core".
>
> I'd never seen it before, but I can report that it was, indeed,
> mega-bad.
>
> Walt
>
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 24 13:39:37 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:39:37 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
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On 05/24/2013 03:36 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:30:16AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>>
>> we also hope to have dave adler do a second feature from his
>> cromulent collection of bad and worse films. the alamo ritz has
>> digital projection so that should highlight the quality
>> cinematography of these fine flicks!
>
> Happy to do so. Any idea how I need to bring said film(s) if we're doing
> it at the Alamo? I've got a hard drive full of stuff, but I can
> certainly bring stuff on dvd/blu-ray if that works better
>

> Since you're talking to them, could you query and let me know?

will do. they have digital projection and should have both dvd and 
bluray players.

the good news is we have the place from 9pm to 1am (no extra charge!). 
this means we can do a double feature. something for the larger crowd at 
9pm and a bad movie at 11pm.

>
>> we expect to send out a short list of some classic films. we will
>> have to vote on them quickly as this event is just a week from
>> monday. hard to believe yapc is approaching as it has never been
>> held in early june.
>
> For what it's worth, I can bring good/classic films as well. Contrary to
> popular belief, I own a bunch of those too. :-)

you could have fooled me! :)

thanx,

uri

From anewkirk at ana.io  Fri May 24 13:40:30 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:40:30 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAPwZOK5LmhfccFKPjKDzJiB4Yvkbc-WJFdOzuuwaw6iM5TpiZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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@waltman, I actually liked Contact quite a bit. @cfedde, I totally forgot
about those horrid productions :) good catch.


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Chris Fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:

> I'll add  _Once Upon A Time In Mexico_ as a high star count low results
> movie.  But it has plenty of guns and explosions to make up somewhat.  It's
> almost up there with Batman and Robin.
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Walt Mankowski <waltman at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:09:53PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
>> >
>> > On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>> >
>> > > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature.
>> I
>> > > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>> >
>> > from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
>> > large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that
>> > they have licenses for!
>> >
>> > as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>
>> Drexel University recently hosted a "Mega-Bad Movie Night" as part of
>> our annual Engineers Week festivities.  The movie they chose was "The
>> Core".
>>
>> I'd never seen it before, but I can report that it was, indeed,
>> mega-bad.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 24 13:47:17 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:47:17 -0400
Subject: perl jobs bof reminder
Message-ID: <519FD1D5.6060805@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

there are 5 already signed up for the perl jobs bof. it will be at lunch 
on monday, location TBD. possibly the cafe in TCC if it is decent.

if you have a resume or looking to hire or whatever, you can learn or 
teach something at this bof. sign up so we know who to expect and get 
the right size table.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF

thanx,

uri

From kurt.newman at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 13:52:29 2013
From: kurt.newman at cpanel.net (Kurt Newman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:52:29 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAEoAez6LTfUXAPL+b0aQ27mAn1mq=_xB0bs+jntXu3jZiA3vkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
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Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966), or Gerry (2002)
Those two have to be somewhere in the list of "worst movies" category.

On May 24, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Al Newkirk wrote:

> @waltman, I actually liked Contact quite a bit. @cfedde, I totally forgot about those horrid productions :) good catch.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Chris Fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:
> I'll add  _Once Upon A Time In Mexico_ as a high star count low results movie.  But it has plenty of guns and explosions to make up somewhat.  It's almost up there with Batman and Robin.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Walt Mankowski <waltman at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:09:53PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
> >
> > On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> >
> > > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
> > > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
> >
> > from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
> > large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that
> > they have licenses for!
> >
> > as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
> 
> Drexel University recently hosted a "Mega-Bad Movie Night" as part of
> our annual Engineers Week festivities.  The movie they chose was "The
> Core".
> 
> I'd never seen it before, but I can report that it was, indeed,
> mega-bad.
> 
> Walt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> anewkirk at ana.io
> http://ana.io/
> twitter; linkedin;
> +1 888 938 3973
> 
> 
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From dha at panix.com  Fri May 24 14:35:03 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:35:03 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:00:14PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:36:32PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
> > For what it's worth, I can bring good/classic films as well. Contrary to
> > popular belief, I own a bunch of those too. :-)
> 
> Do you mean to imply that "For Y'ur Height Only" isn't a classic?

I imply nothing. And that was DrForr's find. :-)

dha

-- 
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"You can lead a bigot to water, but if you don't tie him up, you can't
make him drown." - The Psychodots

From anewkirk at ana.io  Fri May 24 14:43:10 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:43:10 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEoAez4pyfaZ5JxUzrWTYPou9RArqiyhmduxth+MYEKR=DP-8A@mail.gmail.com>

@waltman, sorry, that was a typo. I like "The Core", and I thought the
acting was pretty nice too.


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:00:14PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:36:32PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
> > > For what it's worth, I can bring good/classic films as well. Contrary
> to
> > > popular belief, I own a bunch of those too. :-)
> >
> > Do you mean to imply that "For Y'ur Height Only" isn't a classic?
>
> I imply nothing. And that was DrForr's find. :-)
>
> dha
>
> --
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> "You can lead a bigot to water, but if you don't tie him up, you can't
> make him drown." - The Psychodots
>
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 24 14:45:16 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:45:16 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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hi all,

i got good news from the private event manager at the alamo. since we 
are renting the whole room from them, we get use of their audio/video 
system and can show anything we want without licensing issues. it is a 
private event so no royalties are paid. she said to just bring 
dvd/blu-ray discs and we can just play them. so that means dha (dave 
adler) can be our movie catalog! dave, any way you can post a list of 
regular and bad movies you have? blu-ray is preferable if you can.

others who have blu-rays can chime in. we want to get the movies 
selected sooner so we can get the signup count growing.

there will be a regular classic movie at 9pm and a bad movie at 11pm. 
times may vary with the length of the movies but we have a full 4 hour 
slot there so we should be able to do a double feature.

thanx,

uri



From diakopter at gmail.com  Fri May 24 15:27:25 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:27:25 -0700
Subject: movie night status
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Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?

Sent from my beeper

On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:

> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make decent flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element (Bruce Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one of those.
> 
> </alnewkirk>
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>> 
>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>> 
>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have licenses for!
>> 
>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Denise Paolucci
>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join us: www.dreamwidth.org
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
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From glen at empireenterprises.com  Fri May 24 15:32:57 2013
From: glen at empireenterprises.com (Glen)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:32:57 -0600
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com>
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No.  Fifth Element is a fantastic film.

Multipass.


On May 24, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?
> 
> Sent from my beeper
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
> 
>> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make decent flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element (Bruce Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one of those.
>> 
>> </alnewkirk>
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>> 
>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>> 
>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have licenses for!
>> 
>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Denise Paolucci
>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join us: www.dreamwidth.org
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> anewkirk at ana.io
>> http://ana.io/
>> twitter; linkedin;
>> +1 888 938 3973
>> 
>> 
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From dan at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 16:00:35 2013
From: dan at cpanel.net (Dan Muey)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:00:35 -0500
Subject: movie night status
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On May 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Matthew Wilson wrote:

> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?

NO it not bad!!!! its awesome

From howanitz at gmail.com  Fri May 24 16:34:24 2013
From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:34:24 -0500
Subject: movie night status
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I love the Fifth Element also.

Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
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From diakopter at gmail.com  Fri May 24 16:41:35 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:41:35 -0700
Subject: movie night status
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I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons. 

Sent from my beeper

On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> I love the Fifth Element also.
> 
> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
> 
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From anewkirk at ana.io  Fri May 24 16:50:39 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:50:39 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <89EB80D9-2DE0-49F0-B55B-D708562540AC@gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
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Oh Schnappp, ... anybody remember a movie called "Dead Heat"? Now that's
grade A trash.


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons.
>
> Sent from my beeper
>
> On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I love the Fifth Element also.
>
> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>



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From eric at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 16:51:40 2013
From: eric at cpanel.net (Eric)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:51:40 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAEoAez4DW7i5TSsabf5dj=6sSHzesV+rUjMXY0nVMTvwXizmfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
	<CAEoAez5G9EKPd7EZ70G2VDXXrwkfn8AsCPJhe2qRQX0d0BD+4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com>
	<AFFF5A43-2F16-4E7F-BF3B-DDAF7352D09C@cpanel.net>
	<CAMge-os71Gx3JNNeLXmGLVG_3dbvHPhopvVe+Nhd_oKmj+4g3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<89EB80D9-2DE0-49F0-B55B-D708562540AC@gmail.com>
	<CAEoAez4DW7i5TSsabf5dj=6sSHzesV+rUjMXY0nVMTvwXizmfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>

No takers on The Big Hit?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120609/

Thanks!

--Eric

On May 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:

> Oh Schnappp, ... anybody remember a movie called "Dead Heat"? Now that's grade A trash.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:
> I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons. 
> 
> Sent from my beeper
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I love the Fifth Element also.
>> 
>> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> anewkirk at ana.io
> http://ana.io/
> twitter; linkedin;
> +1 888 938 3973
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From glen at empireenterprises.com  Fri May 24 16:56:49 2013
From: glen at empireenterprises.com (Glen)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:56:49 -0600
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
	<CAEoAez5G9EKPd7EZ70G2VDXXrwkfn8AsCPJhe2qRQX0d0BD+4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com>
	<AFFF5A43-2F16-4E7F-BF3B-DDAF7352D09C@cpanel.net>
	<CAMge-os71Gx3JNNeLXmGLVG_3dbvHPhopvVe+Nhd_oKmj+4g3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<89EB80D9-2DE0-49F0-B55B-D708562540AC@gmail.com>
	<CAEoAez4DW7i5TSsabf5dj=6sSHzesV+rUjMXY0nVMTvwXizmfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <005371F8-302B-4D28-AC80-9899B917CD1A@empireenterprises.com>

LOVE that movie.


On May 24, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Eric <eric at cpanel.net> wrote:

> No takers on The Big Hit?
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120609/
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --Eric
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
> 
>> Oh Schnappp, ... anybody remember a movie called "Dead Heat"? Now that's grade A trash.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons. 
>> 
>> Sent from my beeper
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I love the Fifth Element also.
>>> 
>>> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> anewkirk at ana.io
>> http://ana.io/
>> twitter; linkedin;
>> +1 888 938 3973
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

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From todd at rinaldo.us  Fri May 24 16:53:42 2013
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:53:42 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
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	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
	<CAEoAez5G9EKPd7EZ70G2VDXXrwkfn8AsCPJhe2qRQX0d0BD+4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com>
	<AFFF5A43-2F16-4E7F-BF3B-DDAF7352D09C@cpanel.net>
	<CAMge-os71Gx3JNNeLXmGLVG_3dbvHPhopvVe+Nhd_oKmj+4g3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<89EB80D9-2DE0-49F0-B55B-D708562540AC@gmail.com>
	<CAEoAez4DW7i5TSsabf5dj=6sSHzesV+rUjMXY0nVMTvwXizmfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGFYwJe-eE3z0Q5qCg5r5cuNMug1FdSfxt6tWnAhtV_jWA@mail.gmail.com>

Baaaaad!

On Friday, May 24, 2013, Eric wrote:

> No takers on The Big Hit?
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120609/
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Eric
>
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'anewkirk at ana.io');>>
> wrote:
>
> Oh Schnappp, ... anybody remember a movie called "Dead Heat"? Now that's
> grade A trash.
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'diakopter at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons.
>>
>> Sent from my beeper
>>
>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'howanitz at gmail.com');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I love the Fifth Element also.
>>
>> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'yapc at pm.org');>
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'yapc at pm.org');>
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> anewkirk at ana.io <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'anewkirk at ana.io');>
> http://ana.io/
> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
> ;
> +1 888 938 3973
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'yapc at pm.org');>
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>
>
>

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From eric at cpanel.net  Fri May 24 16:54:27 2013
From: eric at cpanel.net (Eric)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:54:27 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGFYwJe-eE3z0Q5qCg5r5cuNMug1FdSfxt6tWnAhtV_jWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
	<CAEoAez5G9EKPd7EZ70G2VDXXrwkfn8AsCPJhe2qRQX0d0BD+4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com>
	<AFFF5A43-2F16-4E7F-BF3B-DDAF7352D09C@cpanel.net>
	<CAMge-os71Gx3JNNeLXmGLVG_3dbvHPhopvVe+Nhd_oKmj+4g3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<89EB80D9-2DE0-49F0-B55B-D708562540AC@gmail.com>
	<CAEoAez4DW7i5TSsabf5dj=6sSHzesV+rUjMXY0nVMTvwXizmfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>
	<CAG8vyGFYwJe-eE3z0Q5qCg5r5cuNMug1FdSfxt6tWnAhtV_jWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04B3A5CA-BAD1-40B6-BD25-C22E3445F205@cpanel.net>

I could dig a little deeper.  There were Crow and Highlander sequels but that's too easy.

--Eric

On May 24, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:

> Baaaaad!
> 
> On Friday, May 24, 2013, Eric wrote:
> No takers on The Big Hit?
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120609/
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --Eric
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
> 
>> Oh Schnappp, ... anybody remember a movie called "Dead Heat"? Now that's grade A trash.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons. 
>> 
>> Sent from my beeper
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I love the Fifth Element also.
>>> 
>>> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> anewkirk at ana.io
>> http://ana.io/
>> twitter; linkedin;
>> +1 888 938 3973
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Todd Rinaldo
> todd at rinaldo.us

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From anewkirk at ana.io  Fri May 24 17:07:42 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 20:07:42 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <04B3A5CA-BAD1-40B6-BD25-C22E3445F205@cpanel.net>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
	<CAEoAez5G9EKPd7EZ70G2VDXXrwkfn8AsCPJhe2qRQX0d0BD+4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com>
	<AFFF5A43-2F16-4E7F-BF3B-DDAF7352D09C@cpanel.net>
	<CAMge-os71Gx3JNNeLXmGLVG_3dbvHPhopvVe+Nhd_oKmj+4g3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<89EB80D9-2DE0-49F0-B55B-D708562540AC@gmail.com>
	<CAEoAez4DW7i5TSsabf5dj=6sSHzesV+rUjMXY0nVMTvwXizmfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B195CBB4-A476-4E86-846C-94D8067826A8@cpanel.net>
	<CAG8vyGFYwJe-eE3z0Q5qCg5r5cuNMug1FdSfxt6tWnAhtV_jWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<04B3A5CA-BAD1-40B6-BD25-C22E3445F205@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <CAEoAez5GSpJ4GA9VZY78uBtk1fRnA=u0DL3qnhjg_TdquA0c_w@mail.gmail.com>

@eric, yeah, the suckiness of the Crow sequels is pretty great. I never
cared for any of the Highlander movies (or the tv show which was more
lame). Any way, for those of you that have an account on YAPCNA.org, and
who are interested in attending, please take a moment to add yourself to
the list here (http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SocialEvents, edit
the page to add yourself). This way we can get a better feel for how many
will be attending.

Thanks
</alnewkirk>


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Eric <eric at cpanel.net> wrote:

> I could dig a little deeper.  There were Crow and Highlander sequels but
> that's too easy.
>
> --Eric
>
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
>
> Baaaaad!
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2013, Eric wrote:
>
>> No takers on The Big Hit?
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120609/
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --Eric
>>
>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>>
>> Oh Schnappp, ... anybody remember a movie called "Dead Heat"? Now that's
>> grade A trash.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I like he opera sequence and the absurdity of the handheld superweapons.
>>>
>>> Sent from my beeper
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I love the Fifth Element also.
>>>
>>> Part of Death Proof was filmed in Austin.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> anewkirk at ana.io
>> http://ana.io/
>> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
>> ;
>> +1 888 938 3973
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Todd Rinaldo
> todd at rinaldo.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>



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From dha at panix.com  Fri May 24 23:21:09 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 02:21:09 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
	<20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com>

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 05:45:16PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> i got good news from the private event manager at the alamo. since
> we are renting the whole room from them, we get use of their
> audio/video system and can show anything we want without licensing
> issues. it is a private event so no royalties are paid. she said to
> just bring dvd/blu-ray discs and we can just play them. so that
> means dha (dave adler) can be our movie catalog! dave, any way you
> can post a list of regular and bad movies you have? blu-ray is
> preferable if you can.

Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2
stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.

For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on
a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have
some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something
good. :-)

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
We're already knee deep in crack anyway.
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"Title","Director","Studio","My Rating","Genre"
"The 10th Victim","Elio Petri","Blue Underground","0",""
"12 Angry Men","Sidney Lumet","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The 39 Steps","Alfred Hitchcock","Criterion Collection","0",""
"42nd Street Forever, Vol. 1","n/a","Synapse Films","0",""
"42nd Street Forever, Vol. 2: The Deuce","Jeff Dolniak","Synapse Films","0",""
"42nd Street Forever: The Blu-ray Edition","Joe D'amato, Charles B. Pierce, Paul Maslansky, Abel Ferrara","Synapse Films","0",""
"2001: A Space Odyssey","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Abominable Dr. Phibes/Dr. Phibes Rises Again!","Robert Fuest","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Absolutely Fabulous: Absolutely Everything","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"The Adventure of Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Age of Consent / Stairway to Heaven","Emeric Pressburger, Michael Powell","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Agent 8 3/4 aka: Hot Enough For June","Ralph Thomas","VCI Entertainment","0",""
"Aki Kaurism??ki's Proletariat Trilogy","Aki Kaurismaki","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Alfresco","","Acorn Media","0",""
"Alice in Wonderland","Jonathan Miller","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Amazing Journey: The Story of The Who","Murray Lerner, Parris Patton, Paul Crowder","Universal Studios","0",""
"American Grindhouse","Elijah Drenner","Lorber Films","0",""
"Anatomy of a Murder","Otto Preminger","Criterion Collection","0",""
"And Everything Is Going Fine","Steven Soderbergh","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Annie Hall","Woody Allen","MGM Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Apple","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Archer: Season 1","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Archer: Season 2","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Arrested Development - Season One","Anthony Russo, Greg Mottola, Jay Chandrasekhar, Joe Russo, John Fortenberry","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Arrested Development - Season Three","Arlene Sanford, John Amodeo, John Fortenberry, Lev L. Spiro, Paul Feig","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Arrested Development - Season Two","Jason Bateman, Andrew Fleming, Anthony Russo, Chuck Martin, Danny Leiner","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Assault on Precinct 13","John Carpenter","IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT","0",""
"Astro Zombies","Ted V. Mikels","Image Entertainment","0",""
"At Home with the Braithwaites - The Complete First Series","Andy De Emmony, Robin Shepperd","Acorn Media","0",""
"Bad Timing","Nicolas Roeg","Criterion","0",""
"Barbarella","Roger Vadim","Paramount","0",""
"Batfink: The Complete Series","","Shout Factory Theatr","0",""
"Batman Begins","Christopher Nolan","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Batman: The Animated Series, Volume One","Bruce Timm","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Batman: The Brave and the Bold - Season One, Part One","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Batman: The Movie","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Battlestar Galactica - Season 4.0","","Universal Studios","0",""
"Beach Blanket Bingo / How to Stuff a Wild Bikini","William Asher","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Being Human: Season 1","Alex Pillai, Colin Teague, Declan O'Dwyer, Toby Haynes","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Beneath The Valley Of The Ultra Vixens","Russ Meyer","Arrow Films","0",""
"Bergman Island","Marie Nyrer??d","Criterion","0",""
"The Best of Trailers From Hell: Volume 1","","","0",""
"Best Worst Movie","Michael Stephenson","NEW VIDEO GROUP","0",""
"The Big Bang Theory: The Complete Fifth Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Big Bang Theory: The Complete Fourth Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Big Bang Theory: The Complete Second Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Big Picture","","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Bigger Than Life","Nicholas Ray","Criterion","0",""
"Bill Cosby, Himself","Bill Cosby","20th Century Fox","0",""
"A Bit of Fry and Laurie: The Complete Collection... Every Bit!","","BBC Warner","0",""
"Black Dynamite","Scott Sanders","Sony Pictures","0",""
"Black Mama, White Mama/Foxy Brown","Eddie Romero, Jack Hill","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Black Shampoo","","VCI Entertainment","0",""
"Blacula/Scream Blacula Scream","Bob Kelljan, William Crain","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Blade Runner","Ridley Scott","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Blazing Saddles","Mel Brooks, Robert Butler","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Blue Sunshine","Jeff Lieberman","Synapse Films","0",""
"The Bob Newhart Show - The Complete First Season","Alan Rafkin, George Tyne, Jay Sandrich, Jerry London, Martin Cohan","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The Boondocks: The Complete First Season","Anthony Bell, Joe Horne, Kalvin Lee, Lesean Thomas, Sean Song","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Boondocks: The Complete Second Season","Bob Hathcock, Dan Fausett, Seung Eun Kim","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Boondocks: The Complete Third Season","","Sony","0",""
"Bottle Rocket","Wes Anderson","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Brazil","Terry Gilliam","Criterion","0",""
"Bringing Up Baby","Howard Hawks","Turner Home Entertainment","0",""
"Brother Cadfael, Set 1","Graham Theakston, Sebastian Graham Jones","Acorn Media","0",""
"Bubba Ho-Tep","Don Coscarelli","Starz Home Entertainment","0","Comedy, Dark"
"Bullitt","Peter Yates","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Burn Notice: Season One","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Burn Notice: Season Three","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Burn Notice: Season Two","","Twentieth Century Fox","0",""
"Buster Keaton Short Films Collection: 1920-1923","Buster Keaton","KINO INTERNATIONAL","0",""
"Caddyshack","Harold Ramis","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Campion - The Complete First Season","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"CARRY ON Double Feature Vol 1: Don't Lose Your Head & Carry On Follow That Camel","Gerald Thomas","VCI Entertainment","0",""
"CARRY ON Double Feature Vol 2: Carry On Doctor & Carry On Up the Khyber","Gerald Thomas","VCI Entertainment","0",""
"Casino Royale","Martin Campbell","Columbia Pictures","0",""
"Castle: The Complete First Season","","ABC Studios","0",""
"Charley Varrick","","Universal Studios","0",""
"Charlie is my Darling, Ireland 1965, Limited Edition","","ABKCO Films","0",""
"Charlie's Angels: The Complete Third Season","","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Cinematic Titanic Live: East Meets Watts","","","0",""
"Cinematic Titanic LIVE: The Alien Factor","Sharp/Ford","Cinema Titan, LLC","0",""
"Cinematic Titanic Presents: Doomsday Machine","Stoney Sharp","Cinematic Titanic","0",""
"Cinematic Titanic Presents: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians","Sharp/Ford","Cinema Titan, LLC","0",""
"Cinematic Titanic Presents: The Wasp Woman","Sharp/Ford","Cinema Titan, LLC","0",""
"Clerks - The Animated Series Uncensored","Steve Loter, Nicholas Filippi","Miramax","0",""
"A Clockwork Orange","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Columbo - The Complete Second Season","Steven Spielberg","Universal Studios","0",""
"Community: The Complete First Season","","Sony","0",""
"Complete History Of America Abridged","","","0",""
"Cool Hand Luke","Stuart Rosenberg","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Coonskin","Ralph Bakshi","XENON","0",""
"Coupling - The Complete First Season","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Coupling - The Complete Fourth Season","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Coupling - The Complete Second Season","Martin Dennis","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Coupling - The Complete Third Season","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"The Court Jester","","Paramount","0",""
"Cracker - Series 2","Charles McDougall, Jean Stewart, Julian Jarrold, Michael Winterbottom, Richard Standeven","Hbo Home Video","0",""
"Cracker - The Complete Third Season","Richard Standeven","Hbo Home Video","0",""
"Cracker: A New Terror","Charles McDougall, Jean Stewart, Michael Winterbottom, Richard Standeven, Simon Cellan Jones","Acorn Media","0",""
"Cracker: Series 1","Michael Winterbottom, Jean Stewart (III), Charles McDougall, Julian Jarrold, Simon Cellan Jones","Hbo Home Video","0",""
"Crumb","Terry Zwigoff","Criterion Collection","0",""
"CSI: Crime Scene Investigation - The Complete First Season","Danny Cannon, Kenneth Fink, Lou Antonio, Michael Shapiro, Michael W. Watkins","Paramount","0",""
"Dalziel and Pascoe: Season One","","BBC Video","0",""
"The Dark Knight","Christopher Nolan","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The David Steinberg Show","","KOCH VISION","0",""
"Dead Like Me - The Complete First Season","David Grossman, David Straiton, Helen Shaver, James Marshall, James Whitmore Jr.","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Death Race 2000","Paul Bartel","Shout! Factory","0",""
"A Decade Under the Influence","Richard LaGravenese, Ted Demme","New Video Group","0",""
"Demolition Man","Marco Brambilla","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Design for Living","Ernst Lubitsch","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Dick Spanner P.I.","","Pickwick","0",""
"The Dick Van Dyke Show - Season Five","Jerry Paris, John Rich, Lee Philips, Richard Erdman","Image Entertainment","0",""
"The Dick Van Dyke Show - Season One","James Komack, John Rich, Robert Butler, Sheldon Leonard","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Dirty Harry/Magnum Force","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Doc Martin: Series 1","","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Doctor Who Dalek War","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Battlefield","Michael Kerrigan","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Colony in Space","Michael E Briant","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Day of the Daleks - Episode 60","Paul Bernard","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Earthshock","Peter Grimwade","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs","Paddy Russell","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: Nightmare of Eden","Graham Williams","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: Revenge of the Cybermen","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Silver Nemesis","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: Story 48 - The Seeds Of Death","Michael Ferguson","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: Survival","Alan Wareing","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The  Ambassadors of Death","Michael Ferguson","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Android Invasion","Barry Letts","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Complete Fifth Series","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Complete Fourth Series","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Complete Second Series","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Complete Sixth Series","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Complete Third Series","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Daemons","Christopher Barry","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Mutants","Christopher Barry","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Robots of Death","Michael Briant","BBC Warner","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Seeds of Doom","Douglas Camfield","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Talons of Weng-Chiang","David Maloney","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Doctor Who: The Three Doctors","Lennie Mayne","BBC Warner","0",""
"Dolemite","","Xenon","0",""
"Doll Squad","Ted V. Mikels","Alpha Video","0",""
"Dollhouse: Season One","","Twentieth Century Fox","0",""
"Dollhouse: Season Two","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Doomwatch","Peter Sasdy","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Dr. Bronner's Magic Soapbox","Sara Lamm","Reckon So Prod.","0",""
"Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog","","New Video Group","0",""
"Dr. No","","Fox/MGM","0",""
"Earth Girls Are Easy","Julien Temple","Lions Gate","0",""
"Eating Raoul","Paul Bartel","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Eclipse Series 9: The Delirious Fictions of William Klein","'","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Eclipse Series 29: Aki Kaurismaki's Leningrad Cowboys","Aki Kaurismaki","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Eclipse Series 33: Up All Night with Robert Downey Sr.","Robert Downey Sr.","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Ed McBain's 87th Precinct: The Complete Series - all 30 uncut episodes","","Timeless Media Group","0",""
"Eddie Izzard - Definite Article","Epitaph","EPITAPH/WEA","0",""
"Eddie Izzard - Glorious","Peter Richardson","EPITAPH/WEA","0",""
"Eddie Izzard - Unrepeatable","John Gordillo","EPITAPH/WEA","0",""
"Eddie Izzard: Live At Madison Square Garden","Largo","Largo/Epitaph","0",""
"Ellery Queen Mysteries","David Greene","Entertainment One","0",""
"Episodes: Seasons 1 & 2","James Griffith, Jim Field Smith","Showtime Ent.","0",""
"The Ernie Kovacs Collection","Ernie Kovacs","Shout! Factory","0",""
"The Ernie Kovacs Collection, Vol. 2","Ernie Kovacs","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Eureka: Season One","","Universal Studios","0",""
"Extra Weird Sample","","Image Entertainment","0","Science Fiction & Fantasy"
"F Troop: The Complete First Season","Charles R. Rondeau, David Alexander, Gene Reynolds, Leslie Goodwins, Seymour Robbie","Warner Home Video","0",""
"F Troop: The Complete Second Season","David Alexander, Gary Nelson, Gene Nelson, Hal March, Hollingsworth Morse","Warner Home Video","0",""
"A Face in the Crowd","Elia Kazan","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Family Guy, Vol. 6","Brian Iles, Chris Robertson, Cyndi Tang-Loveland, Dan Povenmire, Dominic Polcino","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Family Guy, Vol. 7","Brian Iles, Cyndi Tang-Loveland, Dominic Bianchi, Greg Colton, Jerry Langford","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Farscape: The Complete Series","","A&E Entertainment","0",""
"Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars","Brian Henson","Lions Gate","0",""
"Faster Pussycat... Kill! Kill!","Russ Meyer","Arrow Films","0",""
"Fawlty Towers: The Complete Collection Remastered","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"FELIX THE CAT: GOLDEN ANNIVERSARY EDITION 1958-1959","","Classic Media","0",""
"The Filth and the Fury - A Sex Pistols Film","Julien Temple","New Line Films / Sunset Home Visual Entertainment (SHE)","0",""
"Fort Apache","John Ford","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Found Footage Festival: Volume 1","Joe Pickett, Nick Prueher","Lorber Films","0",""
"The Found Footage Festival: Volume 5","Joe Pickett, Nick Prueher","Lorber Films","0",""
"The Found Footage Festival: Volume 6","Joe Pickett, Nick Prueher","Lorber Films","0",""
"Frank Zappa: Apostrophe / Over-Nite Sensation","","Eagle Rock Ent","0",""
"Freaks and Geeks: The Complete Series","","Shout Factory Theatr","0",""
"The Friends of Eddie Coyle","Peter Yates","Criterion","0",""
"From Russia with Love","Terence Young","Fox/MGM","0",""
"Fugitive Kind","Sidney Lumet","Criterion","0",""
"Futurama: Volume 7","Dwayne Carey-Hill","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Futurama: Volume Five","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Futurama: Volume Six","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The General","Buster Keaton","KINO VIDEO","0",""
"Get Smart: Season 2","","Hbo Home Video","0",""
"Get to Know Your Rabbit","Brian De Palma","Warner Bros.","0",""
"Ghostbusters","Ivan Reitman","Sony Pictures","0",""
"Godmonster of Indian Flats","Dale Berry","Something Weird Video","0",""
"Godzilla","Ishiro Honda","The Criterion Collection","0",""
"Gold: Before Woodstock. Beyond Reality.","Bob Levis","Wild Eye Releasing","0",""
"The Golden Age of Television","Delbert Mann, Fielder Cook, John Frankenheimer, Mervyn LeRoy","Criterion Collection","0",""
"GOOD MORNING WORLD: Complete Series","","S'more Entertainment","0",""
"Good Neighbors - The Complete Series 4","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Good Neighbors: The Complete Series 1-3","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Good Times","William Friedkin","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Gray's Anatomy","Steven Soderbergh","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The Great Yokai War","Takashi Miike","Tokyo Shock","0",""
"Greetings","Brian De Palma","West End Film","0",""
"Grip Weeds - Live Vibes","","","0",""
"The Guild: Seasons 1 & 2","","NEW VIDEO GROUP","0",""
"The Gumball Rally","Charles Bail","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Hail Sid Caesar: Golden Age of Comedy","Rich Tackenberg, Peter Jaysen","Creative Light","0",""
"Hard Boiled","John Woo","Criterion","0",""
"Harold and Maude","Hal Ashby","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Harper","Jack Smight","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Heavy Traffic","Ralph Bakshi","MGM","0",""
"Henson's Place: The Man Behind the Muppets","David A. Goldsmith","Jim Henson Company","0",""
"Hi, Mom!","Brian De Palma","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Hickey And Boggs","Robert Culp","MGM","0",""
"High and Low","Akira Kurosawa","Criterion","0",""
"His Girl Friday","","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy","","Buena Vista Home Entertainment / Touchstone","0",""
"Honey West: The Complete Series","","Vci Entertainment","0",""
"The Horse's Mouth","D.A. Pennebaker, Ronald Neame","Criterion","0",""
"Hot Fuzz","","Universal Studios","0",""
"House","Nobuhiko Obayashi","Criterion Collection","0",""
"How to Get Ahead In Advertising","Bruce Robinson","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"The Human Tornado","Cliff Roquemore","Xenon","0",""
"Hustle : Complete BBC Series 1","Bharat Nalluri, Minkie Spiro, Rob Bailey","Warner Home Video","0","Television"
"I Know Where I'm Going!","Emeric Pressburger, Michael Powell","Criterion","0",""
"I Like Killing Flies","Matt Mahurin","Docurama Films","0",""
"I Was a Male War Bride","Howard Hawks","20th Century Fox","0",""
"I, Claudius","","Acorn Media","0",""
"If...","Lindsay Anderson","Criterion","0",""
"The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus / L'Imaginarium du Docteur Parnassus: Canadian Exclusive Special Edition","Terry Gilliam","Paradox","0","DVD"
"The In-Laws","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Incredibles","Brad Bird, Bud Luckey, Roger Gould","Walt Disney Home Entertainment","0",""
"Insignificance","Nicolas Roeg","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Inspector Morse Set One: Dead of Jericho","","BFS Entertainment","0",""
"Inspector Morse Set Three - The Last Enemy","Peter Duffell, Herbert Wise, James Scott","BFS Entertainment","0",""
"Inspector Morse Set Two - Last Seen Wearing","Alastair Reid, Edward Bennett, Peter Hammond","BFS Entertainment","0",""
"The Invisible Man","","First Look Pictures","0",""
"The Iron Giant","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Iron Man","Jon Favreau","Paramount","0",""
"Ironside - The Complete First Season","Anton Leader, Charles S. Dubin, Don Weis, James Goldstone, James Sheldon","Shout Factory Theatr","0",""
"Ironside: Season 1 - Vol. 1","Raymond Burr","Shout Factory","0",""
"Island of Lost Souls","Erle C. Kenton","The Criterion Collection","0",""
"It Came From Kuchar","Jennifer M. Kroot","IndiePix Films","0",""
"The IT Crowd: Complete Fourth Season","","Mpi Home Video","0",""
"The IT Crowd: The Complete Season One","Graham Linehan","MPI HOME VIDEO","0",""
"The IT Crowd: The Complete Second Season","Graham Linehan","MPI HOME VIDEO","0",""
"The IT Crowd: The Complete Third Season","Graham Linehan","MPI HOME VIDEO","0",""
"The Italian Job","","Paramount","0",""
"The Jack Paar Collection","","Shout Factory Theatr","0",""
"Jason King","Roy Ward Baker","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Jeeves & Wooster: The Complete Series","","A&E Home Video","0",""
"The Johnny Carson Show","","","0",""
"Jonathan Creek - Season One","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Jonathan Creek: Season Four","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Jonathan Creek: Season Three","","BBC Warner","0","Drama"
"Jonathan Creek: Season Three","","BBC Warner","0","Drama"
"Jonathan Creek: Season Two","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"JONATHAN CREEK: THE SPECIALS","","","0",""
"Josie and the Pussycats","","Universal Studios","0",""
"Kagemusha: The","Akira Kurosawa","Criterion","0",""
"Kentucky Fried Movie","John Landis","Starz / Anchor Bay","0",""
"The Killer","John Woo","Criterion","0",""
"The Killing","Stanley Kubrick","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Kingdom: Season One","Robin Sheppard, Metin H??seyin","StudioCanal","0",""
"Kiss Me Deadly","Robert Aldrich","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Klute","Alan J. Pakula","Turner Home Ent","0",""
"The Knack...And How to Get It","","MGM Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Lady Eve","","Criterion","0",""
"The Lady Vanishes","Alfred Hitchcock","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The Last Detective - Series 1","Matthew Evans (III), Douglas Mackinnon, Ferdinand Fairfax, Nick Hurran, Gavin Millar","ACORN MEDIA","0",""
"The Last Dragon","Michael Schultz","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Laughing Policeman","Stuart Rosenberg","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The League of Gentlemen: The Complete Series 1","Steve Bendelack","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Leverage: The First Season","","Paramount Home Video","0",""
"The Life of Reilly","","","0",""
"Life On Mars: The Complete Collection","","Acorn Media","0",""
"The Liquidator","","Warner Archive","0",""
"Little Britain: The Complete First Series","Graham Linehan, Steve Bendelack","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Look Around You - Series 2","Tim Kirkby","BBC","0",""
"Look Around You: Season One","Tim Kirkby","BBC Warner","0","Television"
"The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring","Peter Jackson","New Line Home Video","0",""
"The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy","","New Line Home Video","0",""
"The Lord Peter Wimsey Mysteries: Set 1","Ronald Wilson, Hugh David, Rodney Bennett","ACORN MEDIA","0",""
"M","Fritz Lang","Criterion","0",""
"Macbeth","","Illuminations","0",""
"MacGyver - The Complete First Season","Alan Smithee, Alexander Singer, Bruce Seth Green, Charles Correll, Cliff Bole","Paramount","0",""
"Machete Maidens Unleashed","Mark Hartley","Dark Sky Films","0",""
"Madness at Madstock","Aubrey Powell","","0",""
"The Magnificent Seven","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Man in a Suitcase Set 2","","Acorn Media","0",""
"Man in a Suitcase: Set One","Charles Crichton, Charles Frend, Don Chaffey, Freddie Francis, Gerry O'Hara","Acorn Media","0",""
"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance","John Ford","Paramount","0",""
"The Man with the Golden Gun","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Manhattan","Woody Allen","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Mars Needs Women","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"The Mary Tyler Moore Show - The Complete Fourth Season","George Tyne, Jay Sandrich, Jerry Belson, Jerry London, John C. Chulay","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The Mary Tyler Moore Show - The Complete Third Season","Hal Cooper, Jay Sandrich, Jerry Belson, John C. Chulay, Peter Baldwin","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Matt Helm Lounge","Henry Levin, Phil Karlson","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Maverick: The Complete First Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Men Who Stare At Goats","Grant Heslov","Overture Films/Anchor Bay Entertainment","0",""
"Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence","Nagisa Oshima","Criterion Collection","0",""
"MI-5, Volume 1","","BBC","0",""
"MI-5, Volume 2","Bharat Nalluri, Ciaran Donnelly (II), Rob Bailey, Sam Miller, Justin Chadwick","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Minder - Season One","Peter Sasdy, Christopher King, Roy Ward Baker, James Gatward, Francis Megahy","BFS Entertainment","0",""
"Mister Roberts","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Modesty Blaise","Joseph Losey","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Monkees: Season 1","The Monkees","XENON","0",""
"Monkees: Season 2","Monkees","Eagle Records (Fontana)","0",""
"Monty Python: Almost The Truth","Alan Parker","Eagle Rock Entertainment","0",""
"Morecambe & Wise - The Surviving Footage From The First Series And The Complete Second Series","","2entertain","0","Television"
"Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House","H.C. Potter, Tex Avery","Turner Home Ent","0",""
"Mr. Mike's Mondo Video","Michael O'Donoghue","Shout! Factory","0",""
"MST3K Vs. Gamera: Mystery Science Theater 3000, Vol. XXI","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Murder a La Mod/The Moving Finger","Brian De Palma, Larry Moyer","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Murphy's Law: Series One","","Acorn Media","0",""
"My Darling Clementine","John Ford","20th Century Fox","0",""
"My Favorite Year","Richard Benjamin","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Myra Breckinridge","Michael Sarne","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Wild World of Batwoman","","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection - The Essentials","Harold P. Warren, Nicholas Webster","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 1","","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Volume 2","","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Volume 4","David Winters, Douglas Williams, Franz Peter Wirth, Koji Ota, Neal Sundstrom","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Volume 5","Charles B. Pierce, David Giancola, Don Henderson, Kenneth J. Berton","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Volume 6","Bernard L. Kowalski, Roger Corman, Tom Graeff","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000, Vol. XV","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000, Vol. XVII","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000, Vol. XVIII","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: 20th Anniversary Edition","Kevin Murphy","Shout Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: Vol. XIX","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: Vol. XX","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: Volume XXII","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: XXIII","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: XXIV","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: XXV","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Mystery Science Theater 3000: XXVI","Kevin Murphy","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Nero Wolfe: The Complete Classic Whodunit Series","Bill Duke","A&E Home Video","0",""
"Neverwhere","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"New Tricks: Season One","Graham Theakston, Jamie Payne, Jon East, Paul Seed","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"New Tricks: Season Two","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Night Court: The Complete First Season","John Larroquette, Charles Robinson, Christine Ballard, Alan Bergmann, Lee Bernhardi","Warner Home Video","0",""
"North by Northwest","Alfred Hitchcock","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Not Quite Hollywood","","Magnolia Home Entertainment","0",""
"Notorious","Alfred Hitchcock","MGM","0",""
"Orgazmo","Trey Parker","Universal Studios","0",""
"Outfoxed - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism","","The Disinformation Company","0",""
"The Outlaw Josey Wales","Clint Eastwood","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Pajama Party","Don Weis","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Pale Rider","Clint Eastwood","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Passing Show - The Life & Music of Ronnie Lane","","Eagle Rock Ent","0",""
"Pat Paulsen's Half A Comedy Hour: The Complete Series","Pat Paulsen","MPI HOME VIDEO","0",""
"Paths of Glory","Stanley Kubrick","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Peep Show - Series 1","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Peeping Tom","Michael Powell","Criterion","0",""
"People Like Us: The Complete Series","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Perry Mason - Season Two, Vol. 1","","Paramount","0",""
"Perry Mason: Season Four, Vol. 1","","Paramount","0",""
"Perry Mason: Season One, Vol. 1","Robert Ellis Miller, Ted Post, James Goldstone, Jack Arnold, Don Weis","Paramount/CBS","0",""
"Perry Mason: Season One, Vol. 2","","Paramount","0",""
"Perry Mason: Season Three, Vol. 1","Arthur Hiller, Arthur Marks, Gerald Mayer, Herbert Hirschman, Richard Kinon","Paramount","0",""
"Perry Mason: Season Three, Vol. 2","","Paramount","0",""
"Perry Mason: Season Two, Vol. 2","Andrew V. McLaglen, Arthur Hiller, Arthur Marks, Buzz Kulik, Gerd Oswald","Paramount","0",""
"Pervirella","Alex Chandon, Josh Collins","Screen Edge","0","Comedy"
"Phantom of the Paradise","Brian De Palma","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The Philadelphia Story","George Cukor","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Pie in the Sky Complete Collection","","Acorn Media","0",""
"Pirate Radio","Richard Curtis","Universal Studios","0",""
"Point Blank","John Boorman","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The President's Analyst","","Paramount","0",""
"The Princess Bride","Rob Reiner","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes","Billy Wilder","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Psych-Out / The Trip","Richard Rush, Roger Corman","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Pufnstuf","Hollingsworth Morse","Universal Studios Home Entertainment","0",""
"Pulp","Mike Hodges","20th Century Fox Home Entertainment","0",""
"Pushing Daisies: The Complete First Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Putney Swope","Robert Downey Sr.","Homevision","0",""
"Quadrophenia","Franc Roddam","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Quantum of Solace","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Quincy, M.E.: Seasons 1 & 2","","","0",""
"Ratatouille","","Walt Disney Video","0",""
"Razorback","Russell Mulcahy","Umbrella Entertainment","0",""
"Rebecca","Alfred Hitchcock","MGM","0",""
"Rebus","David Moore, Martyn Friend, Maurice Phillips","KOCH VISION","0",""
"Rebus - Set 1","Matthew Evans","Acorn Media","0",""
"The Red Shoes","Michael Powell, Emeric Pressburger","IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT","0",""
"Red Zone Cuba","Coleman Francis","Rhino Theatrical","0",""
"Religulous","Larry Charles","Thousand Words","0","Comedy"
"Remington Steele: Season One","Burt Brinckerhoff, Don Weis, Jeff Bleckner, Larry Elikann, Leo Penn","20th Century Fox","0",""
"RiffTrax: LIVE! House on Haunted Hill","William Castle","Legend Films","0",""
"RiffTrax: LIVE! Reefer Madness","Louis Gasnier","Legend Films","0",""
"RiffTrax: Santa and the Ice Cream Bunny","Barry Mahon, R. Winer","Legend Films","0",""
"RiffTrax: Shorts To-Go","Various","Legend Films","0",""
"Rio Bravo","Howard Hawks","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Rio Lobo","Howard Hawks","Paramount","0",""
"Robbie Coltrane - Incredible Britain","Ross Harper, Tim Clifford, Konrad Begg","Acorn Media","0",""
"Robin and the Seven Hoods","Gordon Douglas","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Robinson Crusoe on Mars","Byron Haskin","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The Rockford Files - Season One","Alexander Grasshoff, Bernard L. Kowalski, Charles S. Dubin, Jackie Cooper, Jerry London","Universal Studios","0",""
"Rocky & Bullwinkle & Friends - The Complete Second Season","Bob Schleh, Ernest Terrazas, George Singer, Gerald Ray, Gerard Baldwin","Classic Media","0",""
"Rocky & Bullwinkle & Friends - The Complete Third Season","","Classic Media","0",""
"Rocky & Bullwinkle & Friends: Complete Season 1","Dun Roman, Gerald Ray, Gerard Baldwin, Jim Hiltz, Rudy Zamora","Classic Media","0",""
"Roger Ramjet - Hero of Our Nation","","Classic Media","0",""
"The Rolling Stones: Gimme Shelter","Albert Maysles, David Maysles, Charlotte Zwerin","Criterion","0",""
"Roseland","Fredric Hobbs","","0",""
"The Rules of the Game","Jean Renoir","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Rumpole of the Bailey - The Lost Episode","John Gorrie","Acorn Media","0",""
"Rumpole of the Bailey: Complete Series Megaset","Donald McWhinnie, Roger Bamford, Julian Amyes, Robert Tronson, Graham Evans","A&E HOME VIDEO","0",""
"Rushmore","","Walt Disney Video","0",""
"The Saint - The Early Episodes, Set 1","","A&E Home Video","0",""
"The Samurai Trilogy","Hiroshi Inagaki","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The Sandbaggers - First Principles Set","Michael Ferguson, Derek Bennett, David Reynolds","BFS Entertainment","0",""
"The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Complete Third Season","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Saturday Night Live: The Complete Fourth Season, 1978-1979","","Universal Studios","0",""
"Saved!","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Say Anything","Cameron Crowe","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Say Anything...","","20th Century Fox Home Entertainment","0",""
"The Searchers","","WAR","0",""
"Serial","","Legend Films","0",""
"Seth MacFarlane's Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy: Uncensored!","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The Seventh Seal","Ingmar Bergman, Marie Nyrer??d","Criterion","0",""
"Shallow Grave","Danny Boyle","Criterion Collection","0",""
"She Wore a Yellow Ribbon","John Ford","Turner Home Ent","0",""
"Sheba, Baby and Monkey Hustle","Arthur Marks, William Girdler","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"The Shop Around the Corner","Ernst Lubitsch","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Simpsons - The Complete Sixth Season","Bob Anderson, David Silverman, Jeffrey Lynch, Jim Reardon, Mark Kirkland","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Slaughter/Slaughter's Big Ripoff","Gordon Douglas, Jack Starrett","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Slings & Arrows: The Complete Collection","","Acorn Media","0",""
"The Small Back Room","","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Smile","Michael Ritchie","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Smiles Of A Summer Night","Ingmar Bergman","Criterion","0",""
"Sneakers","Phil Alden Robinson","Universal Studios","0",""
"Soapdish","","Paramount","0",""
"The Social Network","David Fincher","Sony Pictures","0",""
"Soul Cinema Double Feature: Cotton Comes to Harlem and Hell up in Harlem","Ossie Davis","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut","Trey Parker","Paramount","0",""
"Space Thing","B. Ron Elliott","Something Weird Video","0",""
"Spider-Man","","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Spine Tingler! The William Castle Story","Jeffrey Schwarz","Automat Pictures","0",""
"Sports Night: The Complete Series 10th Anniversary Edition","Thomas Schlamme","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Stagecoach","John Ford","Criterion","0",""
"Stalag 17","Billy Wilder","Paramount","0",""
"Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures","Jan Harlan","Warner Bros.","0","Nonfiction - Documentary - Biography"
"Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - The Director's Cut","Nicholas Meyer","Paramount","0",""
"Star Trek: The Complete Original Series","","Paramount","0",""
"Starman, Vol. 1 - Attack from Space / Evil Brain from Outer Space","Akira Mitsuwa, Koreyoshi Akasaka, Teruo Ishii","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Starman, Vol. 2 - Invaders from Space / Atomic Rulers","Akira Mitsuwa, Koreyoshi Akasaka, Teruo Ishii","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Steamboat Bill, Jr.","Charles Reisner","KINO INTERNATIONAL","0",""
"Steve Martin: The Television Stuff","Gary Weis","Shout! Factory","0",""
"The Stewardesses 3D: 40th Anniversary Deluxe Edition","Al Silliman Jr.","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Strangers on a Train","Alfred Hitchcock","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Stripes","Ivan Reitman","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip - The Complete Series","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Sunset Boulevard","Billy Wilder","Paramount","0",""
"The Super Inframan","Shan Hua","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Sweet Smell of Success","Alexander Mackendrick","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The Sword of Doom","Kihachi Okamoto","Criterion","0",""
"Tall Guy","Mel Smith","Echo Bridge Home Entertainment","0",""
"TAMPOPO","Juzo Itami","","0",""
"Tanner '88","","Criterion","0",""
"Targets","Peter Bogdanovich","Paramount","0",""
"Taxi Driver","","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Ted","Seth MacFarlane","Universal","0",""
"Terry Jones' Medieval Lives","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Them Ain't Big Eye Ants - A Video Compilation 2004 - 2012 by They Might Be Giants","","Idelwild Recordings","0",""
"They Call Me Mister Tibbs!","Gordon Douglas","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"The Thief of Bagdad","","Criterion Collection","0",""
"This is Spinal Tap","Rob Reiner","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"This Is Spinal Tap","","MGM Entertainment","0",""
"This Sporting Life","Lindsay Anderson","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Three Outlaw Samurai","Hideo Gosha","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Thunderball","Terence Young","Fox/MGM","0",""
"THX 1138","George Lucas","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Time Bandits","Terry Gilliam","Image Entertainment","0",""
"Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy","","Acorn Media","0",""
"To Have and Have Not","Howard Hawks","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Todd","Todd Rundgren","S'more Entertainment","0",""
"Tommy","Ken Russell","Sony Pictures","0",""
"Topsy-Turvy","Mike Leigh","Criterion Collection","0",""
"A Touch of Frost - Season 1","Anthony Simmons, David Reynolds, Don Leaver","Mpi Home Video","0",""
"Tough It Out","Doug Smart","Landslide","0",""
"Trailer War","","Drafthouse Films","0",""
"Trailers From Hell! Volume Two","John Landis","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Tron","Robert Meyer Burnett, Steven Lisberger","Walt Disney Video","0",""
"Trouble in Paradise","Ernst Lubitsch","Criterion","0",""
"Trouble Man","Ivan Dixon","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Tune in Tomorrow","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Twelfth Night","Trevor Nunn","Image Entertainment","0",""
"The Twilight Zone: The Complete Series","John Brahm","IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT","0",""
"Twin Peaks: The Complete Series","","Paramount","0",""
"Undeclared: The Complete Series","Jake Kasdan, Judd Apatow, Jon Favreau, Paul Feig","Shout! Factory","0",""
"Unfaithfully Yours","Preston Sturges","Criterion","0",""
"V.I. Warshawski","Jeff Kanew","Mill Creek Entertainment","0",""
"Valley of the Dolls","","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The Venture Bros.: Season One","Christopher McCulloch","Cartoon Network","0",""
"Veronica Mars: The Complete First Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Veronica Mars: The Complete Second Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Veronica Mars: The Complete Third Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Very Best of Just Say Julie: Volume 1","","","0",""
"The Very Best of Just Say Julie: Volume 1","","","0",""
"VIP - The Complete First Season","Adam Nimoy, Barry Primus, Bruce Seth Green, Chuck Bowman, Deran Sarafian","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"Walk Hard - The Dewey Cox Story","Jake Kasdan","Sony Pictures Home Entertainment","0",""
"The War Room","D. A. Pennebaker, Chris Hegedus","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Watchmen","Zack Snyder","Unknown","0",""
"White Dog","Samuel Fuller","Criterion Collection","0",""
"The Who - The Kids Are Alright","Jeff Stein","Pioneer","0",""
"Whose Line Is It Anyway","Chris Bould, Geraldine Dowd, John F.D. Northover, Paul O'Dell","A&E Home Video","0",""
"Willy Wonka & Chocolate Factory","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory","Mel Stuart","Warner Home Video","0",""
"Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"The Wire: The Complete First Season","Clark Johnson","HBO Home Video","0",""
"Wizards","Ralph Bakshi","20th Century Fox","0",""
"Wonder Woman: The Complete Third Season","","Warner Home Video","0",""
"World on a Wire","Rainer Werner Fassbinder","Criterion Collection","0",""
"Yellow Submarine","George Dunning","Capitol","0","video_AR"
"Yellow Submarine","","MGM (Video & DVD)","0",""
"Yes Minister: The Complete Collection","","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Yojimbo & Sanjuro: Two Films By Akira Kurosawa","Akira Kurosawa","Criterion","0",""
"Young Frankenstein","Mel Brooks","20th Century Fox","0",""
"The Young Ones: Every Stoopid Episode","Ed Bye, Geoff Posner, Paul Jackson","BBC Worldwide","0",""
"Z Channel - A Magnificent Obsession","Xan Cassavetes","Arts Alliance Amer","0",""
"Zardoz","John Boorman","20th Century Fox","0",""

From yapc2009 at wendy.org  Sat May 25 01:42:43 2013
From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 10:42:43 +0200
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
	<20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com>
Message-ID: <681872731749631@otje>

At 08:21 AM 5/25/2013, David H. Adler wrote:
 >Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2
 >stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.
 >
 >For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on
 >a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have
 >some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something
 >good. :-)

Partial list...  nice list, we good some things similar in taste.  I 
miss the horribly bad "Plan 9 From Outer Space" on the list.  The 
worst movie I ever saw.

Wendy


From uri at stemsystems.com  Sat May 25 09:57:31 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:57:31 -0400
Subject: my movie choices
Message-ID: <51A0ED7B.8010009@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

having scanned dha's limited catalog :), here are my choices for the 
first flick. i will leave it to the bad movie lovers to choose the 
double feature. reply to the list with just the movie or two you want 
(edit out the rest). somehow we will tally up the votes.

these are in alphabetical order except for the first one which is an all 
time fave of mine. i am skipping all the tv series with a few notable 
exceptions.

the president's analyst. with james coburn and godfrey cambridge. a 
brilliant satire on spies, government, politics, communications, hippies 
and more. the most amazing and geeky villain ever. and what is craziest, 
the goal of the villain is actually on some drawing boards today!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062153/?ref_=sr_5
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/presidents_analyst/

annie hall. woody allen's best. won best picture, director, actress 
(diane keaton) and screenplay.

batman begins

(what about last year's batman? i haven't seen it)

big bang theory (a very geeky exception to my no tv series rule :). one 
episode between flicks could be fun.

blazing saddles. mel brooks just farting around.
young frankenstein. funny, scary and geeky!

brazil

the court jester. a great danny kaye flick. some of the funniest dialog 
ever (the pellet with the poison is in the vessel with the pestle). 
basil rathbone is the villain and has a funny but quality swordfight 
scene with kaye. angela lansbury is also nasty here. geeks like this 
flick and so does my wife.

earnie kovacs. another tv exception. too forgotten and an early genius 
on tv. maybe one episode between the two main movies?

from russia with love. 2nd bond flick with connery. my fave still. few 
gimmicks but plenty of realistic action. robert shaw is one of the best 
bond enemies ever.

ghostbusters

gumball rally. great comedy race across the country.

i was a male war bride. hysterical cary grant movie. he is in horrible 
drag at the end.

klute. jane fonda won the oscar for this hooker role in a great 
thriller. donald sutherland is the hick detective

my favorite year. peter o'toole romps through a sid cesar like show in 
the 50's. classic comedy about a classic comedy.

north by northwest. great hitchcock with cary grant. james mason is a 
masterful low key villain. eve marie saint is the femme fatale

notorious. another amazing hitchcock with cary grant, ingrid bergman and 
claude raines as the mild mannered villain.

<note: hitchcock said the better the villain, the better the movie. he 
was correct!>

princess bride

rocky and bullwinkle. another tv exception. a nice interlude between 
shows. full of adult puns and references kids never got.

tampopo. a japanese noodle western. very funny take on food and food 
culture by japan's best comedy director - Juzo Itami

this is spinal tap. only movie ever rated 11!

yellow submarine.





From msouth at gmail.com  Sat May 25 10:10:31 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:10:31 -0500
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
	<20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com>
Message-ID: <CAN483vfLLV_jR3=OUJUdMO-GVGqDQ_m2ms5D__HjXqpxbdoYFw@mail.gmail.com>

cat Library.txt | perl -p -e 's#"(.*?)".*#<a href="
https://www.google.com/search?q=\%22$1\%22">$1</a><br/>\n#' > list.html ;
open list.html

(I don't know what the "open" part will do on a non-mac, you might need
something else there)

Clicking the link will in many instances show the imdb star rating either
on the right in the preview pane (that's what I'm experiencing on chrome
anyway) or in the first few links.

mike




On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 05:45:16PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> > hi all,
> >
> > i got good news from the private event manager at the alamo. since
> > we are renting the whole room from them, we get use of their
> > audio/video system and can show anything we want without licensing
> > issues. it is a private event so no royalties are paid. she said to
> > just bring dvd/blu-ray discs and we can just play them. so that
> > means dha (dave adler) can be our movie catalog! dave, any way you
> > can post a list of regular and bad movies you have? blu-ray is
> > preferable if you can.
>
> Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2
> stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.
>
> For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on
> a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have
> some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something
> good. :-)
>
> dha
>
> --
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> We're already knee deep in crack anyway.
>         - mst
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From william at skybluecircles.com  Sun May 26 02:52:06 2013
From: william at skybluecircles.com (William Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 05:52:06 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <CAN483vfLLV_jR3=OUJUdMO-GVGqDQ_m2ms5D__HjXqpxbdoYFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com> <20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com> <20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com>
	<CAN483vfLLV_jR3=OUJUdMO-GVGqDQ_m2ms5D__HjXqpxbdoYFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1369561926.10616.140661235812369.29241BB0@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Iron Giant is a great one - also, Ghostbusters would be a lot of fun :)





On Sat, May 25, 2013, at 01:10 PM, Mike South wrote:

cat Library.txt | perl -p -e 's#"(.*?)".*#<a
href="[1]https://www.google.com/search?q=\%22$1\%22">$1</a><br/>\n#' >
list.html ; open list.html


(I don't know what the "open" part will do on a non-mac, you might need
something else there)

Clicking the link will in many instances show the imdb star rating
either on the right in the preview pane (that's what I'm experiencing
on chrome anyway) or in the first few links.

mike




On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM, David H. Adler <[2]dha at panix.com>
wrote:

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 05:45:16PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:

> hi all,

>

> i got good news from the private event manager at the alamo. since

> we are renting the whole room from them, we get use of their

> audio/video system and can show anything we want without licensing

> issues. it is a private event so no royalties are paid. she said to

> just bring dvd/blu-ray discs and we can just play them. so that

> means dha (dave adler) can be our movie catalog! dave, any way you

> can post a list of regular and bad movies you have? blu-ray is

> preferable if you can.



Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2

stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.



For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on

a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have

some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something

good. :-)



dha



--

David H. Adler - <[3]dha at panix.com> - [4]http://www.panix.com/~dha/

We're already knee deep in crack anyway.

        - mst





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References

1. https://www.google.com/search?q=\%22$1\%22
2. mailto:dha at panix.com
3. mailto:dha at panix.com
4. http://www.panix.com/~dha/
5. mailto:yapc at pm.org
6. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
7. mailto:yapc at pm.org
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From myrrhlin at gmail.com  Sun May 26 09:44:35 2013
From: myrrhlin at gmail.com (Michael Hamlin)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 12:44:35 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <C2A33BF0-54EA-4891-9384-C866DB369D9F@cpanel.net>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
	<20130524193632.GA5507@panix.com>
	<7AAB0EF9-0271-4D2C-BAAE-12144BE3F9B4@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com>
	<1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org>
	<20130524201833.GE27664@mawode.com>
	<CAPwZOK5LmhfccFKPjKDzJiB4Yvkbc-WJFdOzuuwaw6iM5TpiZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEoAez6LTfUXAPL+b0aQ27mAn1mq=_xB0bs+jntXu3jZiA3vkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2A33BF0-54EA-4891-9384-C866DB369D9F@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <CAE5XYn2eKdunoU0SUMLYkbtL_v_2ak6zh-MiKB-pe_Ra2dLhxA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/2315-words-on-lifeforce-yes-lifeforce

This is not an endorsement.  :)

michael
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From nuba at fastmail.fm  Sun May 26 18:57:01 2013
From: nuba at fastmail.fm (Nuba Princigalli)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:57:01 -0300
Subject: Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban
In-Reply-To: <430734527929631@otje>
References: <CALJ9w-TbYJEAcjG=UFQD+=zTu5POhmhbiYt1gMeSRhJKED7jYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfS-phFkLxbY+Gs31VdkH_L-xvqp1YpPxx=iipqGsHx-NVeyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALJ9w-RxGOs2QEphr=azi3K9yBGD9mSMh7cvAhdSTt=R8s9xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAD5FEE3-2D71-4DEA-B9A3-CF2D0B64110C@gmail.com>
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Really happy to see how this was properly and sensibly handled!



Indeed,



Reini++

Todd++

Perl-community++



:)



On Thu, May 23, 2013, at 05:20 AM, Wendy van Dijk wrote:

At 01:43 AM 5/23/2013, Todd Rinaldo wrote:



On May 22, 2013, at 6:38 PM, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto"
<[1]jonathan at leto.net> wrote:





Howdy,





The abstract is here: [2]http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html

The slides will linked from the YAPC::EU talk in Kiev.



But I am afraid they will not be readable by first-timers



I agree, some details will be beyond the knowledge of first-timers.



Even so, the details of this talk are extremely relevant and important

to the design of Perl 5 core, Perl 6, Parrot and any other modern

language or virtual machine.



Surely many Parrot and Rakudo developers (including myself) would

benefit from your talk.



Pretty please with a cherry on top?



I've spoken to Reini and persuaded him to put his talk back in. Here it
is:



[3]http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841



Todd





Reini++

Todd++

Perl-community++





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yapc mailing list

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Crimson

References

1. mailto:jonathan at leto.net
2. http://perl11.org/p2/design-decisions.html
3. http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4841
4. mailto:yapc at pm.org
5. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From dha at panix.com  Mon May 27 20:24:25 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:24:25 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:44:35PM -0400, Michael Hamlin wrote:
> I'll just leave this here...
> 
> http://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/2315-words-on-lifeforce-yes-lifeforce
> 
> This is not an endorsement.  :)

Sadly, the collector's edition blu-ray isn't coming out until after
yapc. :-)

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Theoretically, you could add "hyperpolysyllabic" to any word to make
it longer and not alter the meaning.             - Matthew Mankiewich

From dha at panix.com  Mon May 27 20:26:24 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:26:24 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:42:43AM +0200, Wendy van Dijk wrote:
> At 08:21 AM 5/25/2013, David H. Adler wrote:
> >Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2
> >stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.
> >
> >For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on
> >a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have
> >some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something
> >good. :-)
> 
> Partial list...  nice list, we good some things similar in taste.  I
> miss the horribly bad "Plan 9 From Outer Space" on the list.  The
> worst movie I ever saw.

In that case, you may need to see more bad movies. Plan 9 isn't anywhere
*near* the bottom of my list. Heck, I've seen worse films by the same
director!

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Your Aunt Linda should maybe stay away from the Manischewitz. Or
stop using it to wash down prescription tranquilizers, whichever.
     - Mary Roth

From dha at panix.com  Mon May 27 20:38:35 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:38:35 -0400
Subject: my movie choices
In-Reply-To: <51A0ED7B.8010009@stemsystems.com>
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On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:57:31PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> having scanned dha's limited catalog :), here are my choices for the
> first flick. i will leave it to the bad movie lovers to choose the
> double feature. reply to the list with just the movie or two you
> want (edit out the rest). somehow we will tally up the votes.
> 
> these are in alphabetical order except for the first one which is an
> all time fave of mine. i am skipping all the tv series with a few
> notable exceptions.

I am shocked, *shocked* that you want to see The President's Analyst.
:-)

I will wait to see what people vote for before I throw in my 2 cents.
Personally, I'd be thrilled if people wanted to see some of the
classics. People don't watch enough of those.

And, I forget if it was actually on the list or not (and I'm too lazy to
look), but, as good as I Was A Male War Bride is, I happen to prefer
Bringing Up Baby. IWAMWB does have Some wonderful comedy from Cary
Grant, but it doesn't have a baby leopard. Or Katherine Hepburn, for
that matter. Or a dinosaur skeleton.

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it.
      - Donald Knuth

From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon May 27 20:54:21 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:54:21 -0400
Subject: my movie choices
In-Reply-To: <20130528033834.GC17395@panix.com>
References: <51A0ED7B.8010009@stemsystems.com>
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On 05/27/2013 11:38 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:57:31PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> having scanned dha's limited catalog :), here are my choices for the
>> first flick. i will leave it to the bad movie lovers to choose the
>> double feature. reply to the list with just the movie or two you
>> want (edit out the rest). somehow we will tally up the votes.
>>
>> these are in alphabetical order except for the first one which is an
>> all time fave of mine. i am skipping all the tv series with a few
>> notable exceptions.
>
> I am shocked, *shocked* that you want to see The President's Analyst.
> :-)

one of the most unknown films that deserves more fame. i have to tell 
you about the great t-shirt design that was made by the film group at 
mit. it was the old bell symbol (a blue bell in a circle) but with a 
crack like in the liberty bell. i still have the shirt but won't wear it 
anymore.

>
> I will wait to see what people vote for before I throw in my 2 cents.
> Personally, I'd be thrilled if people wanted to see some of the
> classics. People don't watch enough of those.

the truth. we may have to force feed them. i was at a bbq party today 
and heard someone misspeak 'walk on glass' instead of 'walk on grass'. 
of course chinatown came to mind immediately. the people around didn't 
know of that flick at all. i told them nickelson, dunnaway and one said 
they had to see it. film ejumication!

>
> And, I forget if it was actually on the list or not (and I'm too lazy to
> look), but, as good as I Was A Male War Bride is, I happen to prefer
> Bringing Up Baby. IWAMWB does have Some wonderful comedy from Cary
> Grant, but it doesn't have a baby leopard. Or Katherine Hepburn, for
> that matter. Or a dinosaur skeleton.

i agree baby is funnier but i didn't see it in your list. i see it now. 
i wanted to keep only a few b&w in the list (wife has a thing for color 
movies. a shame!). and i love kate. even better with kate and grant (and 
stewart who won an oscar) is philadephia story but that is more a 
sophisticated comedy than a farcical romp.

anyways, no one has stepped up to vote on the main flick. i am fine with 
analyst and it is also hysterical as well as goofy. james coburn is a 
fave of mine. i recently learned he was the grandson of charles coburn. 
i often wondered if they were related.

thanx,

uri



From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon May 27 21:08:54 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 00:08:54 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <20130528032624.GB17395@panix.com>
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On 05/27/2013 11:26 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:42:43AM +0200, Wendy van Dijk wrote:
>> At 08:21 AM 5/25/2013, David H. Adler wrote:
>>> Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2
>>> stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.
>>>
>>> For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on
>>> a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have
>>> some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something
>>> good. :-)
>>
>> Partial list...  nice list, we good some things similar in taste.  I
>> miss the horribly bad "Plan 9 From Outer Space" on the list.  The
>> worst movie I ever saw.
>
> In that case, you may need to see more bad movies. Plan 9 isn't anywhere
> *near* the bottom of my list. Heck, I've seen worse films by the same
> director!

plan 9 is just the most famous worst film ever. it was voted that some 
years ago so it clings to that title. the director (ed wood) was a loon 
and transvestite among other things (like a bad director). he even made 
a movie about this called glen or glenda! they made a recent bio-pic 
about him called ed wood. so he is famous for some of the worst movies 
ever made and they made a move about him because of that! :)

but one of the cheapest bad movies ever made is actually kind of good - 
the original b&w little shop of horrors. with jack nicholson in an early 
role as a masochistic dental patient. it was shot in 2 days on a set 
left over from another movie that was scheduled to be torn down. a roger 
corman classic that has to be the best value ever in making a movie 
(cost about $20k to make). a must be seen movie!

thanx,

uri


From dha at panix.com  Mon May 27 21:20:35 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 00:20:35 -0400
Subject: my movie choices
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On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:54:21PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> 
> anyways, no one has stepped up to vote on the main flick.

Perhaps because it's a holiday weekend?

dha

-- 
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A "functional" program works properly regardless of the phase of the
moon or the particular variety of goat you sacrifice.
        - Eric Bohlman, in comp.lang.perl.misc

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon May 27 21:38:24 2013
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 21:38:24 -0700
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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>>>>> "David" == David H Adler <dha at panix.com> writes:

David> In that case, you may need to see more bad movies. Plan 9 isn't anywhere
David> *near* the bottom of my list. Heck, I've seen worse films by the same
David> director!

One word.  Starcrash.

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From william at skybluecircles.com  Mon May 27 22:02:04 2013
From: william at skybluecircles.com (William Stevenson)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 01:02:04 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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I have Fifth Element on Blu Ray - If we decide on that, I can bring it
:) (Yes, I like it too!)

Thanks,

William


On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 11:24 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:44:35PM -0400, Michael Hamlin wrote:
> > I'll just leave this here...
> > 
> > http://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/2315-words-on-lifeforce-yes-lifeforce
> > 
> > This is not an endorsement.  :)
> 
> Sadly, the collector's edition blu-ray isn't coming out until after
> yapc. :-)
> 
> dha
> 
> -- 
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> Theoretically, you could add "hyperpolysyllabic" to any word to make
> it longer and not alter the meaning.             - Matthew Mankiewich
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From william at skybluecircles.com  Mon May 27 22:09:21 2013
From: william at skybluecircles.com (William Stevenson)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 01:09:21 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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Also, El Mariachi is awesome - The Postman with Kevin Costner is so bad
that I wanted the time back I spent watching the movie - the only
redeeming part was Tom Petty's cameo as the mayor of a post-apocalyptic
city.

On Tue, May 28, 2013, at 01:02 AM, William Stevenson wrote:
> I have Fifth Element on Blu Ray - If we decide on that, I can bring it
> :) (Yes, I like it too!)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 11:24 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:44:35PM -0400, Michael Hamlin wrote:
> > > I'll just leave this here...
> > > 
> > > http://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/2315-words-on-lifeforce-yes-lifeforce
> > > 
> > > This is not an endorsement.  :)
> > 
> > Sadly, the collector's edition blu-ray isn't coming out until after
> > yapc. :-)
> > 
> > dha
> > 
> > -- 
> > David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> > Theoretically, you could add "hyperpolysyllabic" to any word to make
> > it longer and not alter the meaning.             - Matthew Mankiewich
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From fraserbn at gmail.com  Tue May 28 01:04:08 2013
From: fraserbn at gmail.com (Brian Fraser)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:08 -0300
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> On 05/27/2013 11:26 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:42:43AM +0200, Wendy van Dijk wrote:
>>
>>> At 08:21 AM 5/25/2013, David H. Adler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2
>>>> stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.
>>>>
>>>> For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on
>>>> a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have
>>>> some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something
>>>> good. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Partial list...  nice list, we good some things similar in taste.  I
>>> miss the horribly bad "Plan 9 From Outer Space" on the list.  The
>>> worst movie I ever saw.
>>>
>>
>> In that case, you may need to see more bad movies. Plan 9 isn't anywhere
>> *near* the bottom of my list. Heck, I've seen worse films by the same
>> director!
>>
>
> plan 9 is just the most famous worst film ever. it was voted that some
> years ago so it clings to that title. the director (ed wood) was a loon and
> transvestite among other things (like a bad director).


So.. apparently being a transvestite is not only a bad thing, but just as
bad as being a loon. What do you know. uri--, this is not acceptable
behavior.
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From william at skybluecircles.com  Tue May 28 05:27:36 2013
From: william at skybluecircles.com (William Stevenson)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:27:36 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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Agreed.



On Tue, May 28, 2013, at 04:04 AM, Brian Fraser wrote:

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Uri Guttman <[1]uri at stemsystems.com>
wrote:

On 05/27/2013 11:26 PM, David H. Adler wrote:

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:42:43AM +0200, Wendy van Dijk wrote:



At 08:21 AM 5/25/2013, David H. Adler wrote:



Attached is a partial list of stuff I have. I've taken out the region 2

stuff, as their player may well not be region-free.



For anyone feeling deprived, however, I probably have a bunch of it on

a hard drive, so if/when ACTUAL Bad Movie Night happens, or if we have

some other viewing night, I should be able to come up with something

good. :-)





Partial list...  nice list, we good some things similar in taste.  I

miss the horribly bad "Plan 9 From Outer Space" on the list.  The

worst movie I ever saw.





In that case, you may need to see more bad movies. Plan 9 isn't
anywhere

*near* the bottom of my list. Heck, I've seen worse films by the same

director!




  plan 9 is just the most famous worst film ever. it was voted that
  some years ago so it clings to that title. the director (ed wood)
  was a loon and transvestite among other things (like a bad
  director).


So.. apparently being a transvestite is not only a bad thing, but just
as bad as being a loon. What do you know. uri--, this is not acceptable
behavior.



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From msouth at gmail.com  Tue May 28 05:53:09 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:53:09 -0500
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> ...

> plan 9 is just the most famous worst film ever. it was voted that some
>> years ago so it clings to that title. the director (ed wood) was a loon and
>> transvestite among other things (like a bad director).
>
>
> So.. apparently being a transvestite is not only a bad thing, but just as
> bad as being a loon. What do you know. uri--, this is not acceptable
> behavior.
>

I really think it would be preferable if people would address these things
off-list first--a polite note to the individual like this:

"Uri,

your comment: [include text of comment], could be taken to be disparaging
to transvestites, who are a part of the queer universe and subject to
significant persecution in various places.  It might be good if you would
post a clarification that you weren't intending this as an attack or smear
against transvestites, because we don't want transvestites or anyone in the
greater queer community to feel unwelcome."

Or, just as another example:

"Brian,

I noted that in your recent rebuke of Uri you referred to Uri as saying
that being transvestite is "as bad as" being a loon.  As I'm sure you know,
'loon' can be taken to be a pejorative against the mentally ill.  The
mentally ill are subject to severe persecution in various places, and you
sticking up for transvestites while not just ignoring but callously
reinforcing the stigma against the mentally ill would be a double insult to
anyone on the list who is either themselves suffering through mental
illness or has a loved one who is.  It might be good if you post a
clarification that you weren't intending this as an attack or smear against
the mentally ill, because otherwise those on the list that are mentally ill
might feel unwelcome.."

or even [seriously, I think this could be a legitimate concern with what I
wrote above when re-reading],

"Mike,

why did you say 'suffering from' mental illness?  Why not 'dealing with' or
'surviving'?  People with mental illness are very likely tired of phrasing
that invokes pity rather than recognizing and validating their efforts at
surviving a serious challenge that very few (if any) of the non-mentally
ill have a tiny inkling of understanding about."


In fact, "loon" can be meant in a somewhat affectionate way, and if that is
the way that Uri meant it (which you can't tell from text), it is not
necessarily bad to have transvestite juxtaposed to it.

I don't know Uri's country/culture of origin, or his native language.
 Transvestitism may be viewed as a mere curiosity where he is from rather
than something to be violently persecuted as it is in other places.

We have people in this community from all over the world, from different
cultures and backgrounds.  If we find something said on-list to be
potentially offensive to another member of the community, let's all start
taking that directly to the person that posted it, off list.  Politely
explain that what they said could be seen as an attack by some members of
our community, and let them know that they might want to post an apology or
a clarification.

It's much smoother to resolve these things this way--the person who made
the post can then issue a one liner like:

"it has been brought to my attention that this comment I made earlier
[insert comment] could be seen as an attack against the [x] community.
 That was not my intention, and I apologize if to anyone who was offended
if it was taken that way."

rather than having a defensive reaction triggered because of a public
attack.

TL;DR :

Whenever possible, assume innocent miscommunication. Attempt to resolve
off-list first.

mike, waiting expectantly for a note like:

"Mike,

I noticed in your rebuke of Brian's rebuke of Uri, you did it on the list.
 I thought the whole point of what you were saying was that you should make
these comments in private and give the person involved a chance to
apologize on list without first publicly shaming them."


Sorry about that.  I'll try to do better in the future.
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From faelin.landy at gmail.com  Tue May 28 06:31:36 2013
From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:31:36 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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I would certainly vote for Fifth Element! It's a good movie.

Thanks,
Faelin


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:09 AM, William Stevenson <
william at skybluecircles.com> wrote:

> Also, El Mariachi is awesome - The Postman with Kevin Costner is so bad
> that I wanted the time back I spent watching the movie - the only
> redeeming part was Tom Petty's cameo as the mayor of a post-apocalyptic
> city.
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013, at 01:02 AM, William Stevenson wrote:
> > I have Fifth Element on Blu Ray - If we decide on that, I can bring it
> > :) (Yes, I like it too!)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 11:24 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:44:35PM -0400, Michael Hamlin wrote:
> > > > I'll just leave this here...
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/2315-words-on-lifeforce-yes-lifeforce
> > > >
> > > > This is not an endorsement.  :)
> > >
> > > Sadly, the collector's edition blu-ray isn't coming out until after
> > > yapc. :-)
> > >
> > > dha
> > >
> > > --
> > > David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> > > Theoretically, you could add "hyperpolysyllabic" to any word to make
> > > it longer and not alter the meaning.             - Matthew Mankiewich
> > >
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 28 10:26:54 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:26:54 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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hi all,

apparently i overstepped in my wording about ed wood and for that i 
apologize. i was just describing a director who worked in hollywood in 
the 1950's when being non-conformist labeled you in many disparaging 
ways. i wasn't disparaging him (other than his movie making) but trying 
to show how he was disparaged in other ways too. he was such an odd duck 
that they made a movie about him. and to use a common but misused 
statement, i have gay and transvestite friends, been to a gay wedding 
(where i toasted them), i support marriage equality, etc. i was just 
trying to paint ed wood as someone who stuck out in his time for more 
than just bad movies.

thanx,

uri

From fraserbn at gmail.com  Tue May 28 10:39:07 2013
From: fraserbn at gmail.com (Brian Fraser)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:39:07 -0300
Subject: movie night status
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?
>

It's an awesome film! I think it's only bad in the same sense that Starship
Troopers is bad -- they both subvert *and* play their tropes straight,
which, at least to me, makes them very enjoyable. Green?


>
> Sent from my beeper
>

> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>
> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make decent
> flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element (Bruce
> Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one of those.
>
> </alnewkirk>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org>wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>>
>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>>
>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather large
>> library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have
>> licenses for!
>>
>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Denise Paolucci
>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join
>> us: www.dreamwidth.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> anewkirk at ana.io
> http://ana.io/
> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
> ;
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>
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From anewkirk at ana.io  Tue May 28 10:52:47 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:52:47 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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Great news!!!

Crowdtilt <http://www.crowdtilt.com> has offered to sponsor our YAPC movie
night. This makes the event even more affordable than we originally
anticipated. If you're planning on attending, please contribute on the official
campaign page<https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header>.
Can't wait to see you all in-person.

P.S. (I can't believe you all like The Fifth Element ... *facepalms*)


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?
>>
>
> It's an awesome film! I think it's only bad in the same sense that
> Starship Troopers is bad -- they both subvert *and* play their tropes
> straight, which, at least to me, makes them very enjoyable. Green?
>
>
>>
>> Sent from my beeper
>>
>
>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>>
>> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make decent
>> flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element (Bruce
>> Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one of those.
>>
>> </alnewkirk>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <denise at dwscoalition.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>>>
>>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature. I
>>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>>>
>>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather large
>>> library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have
>>> licenses for!
>>>
>>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Denise Paolucci
>>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join
>>> us: www.dreamwidth.org
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> anewkirk at ana.io
>> http://ana.io/
>> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
>> ;
>> +1 888 938 3973
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>


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From jacklupton at gmail.com  Tue May 28 11:03:03 2013
From: jacklupton at gmail.com (Jack Lupton)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:03:03 -0500
Subject: movie night status
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'A Boy and His Dog' featuring a young Don Johnson.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:

> Great news!!!
>
> Crowdtilt <http://www.crowdtilt.com> has offered to sponsor our YAPC
> movie night. This makes the event even more affordable than we originally
> anticipated. If you're planning on attending, please contribute on the official
> campaign page<https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header>.
> Can't wait to see you all in-person.
>
> P.S. (I can't believe you all like The Fifth Element ... *facepalms*)
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?
>>>
>>
>> It's an awesome film! I think it's only bad in the same sense that
>> Starship Troopers is bad -- they both subvert *and* play their tropes
>> straight, which, at least to me, makes them very enjoyable. Green?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my beeper
>>>
>>
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make
>>> decent flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element
>>> (Bruce Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one
>>> of those.
>>>
>>> </alnewkirk>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <
>>> denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature.
>>>> I
>>>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>>>>
>>>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
>>>> large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have
>>>> licenses for!
>>>>
>>>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Denise Paolucci
>>>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>>>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join
>>>> us: www.dreamwidth.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> anewkirk at ana.io
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>>> ;
>>> +1 888 938 3973
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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>
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From john at crowdtilt.com  Tue May 28 11:04:13 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:04:13 -0700
Subject: movie night status
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I can't stand the fifth element, for the record.  I find it to be
saccharine and silly.  The elemental power of love defeats the dark god
from beyond the moon, style of thing.  Feh.

Has anyone mentioned Memento, Darren Aronofsky's Pi, Takeshi Kitano's
Brother, The Bride with The White Hair, Dark City, City of Lost Children,
Red, Kiki's Delivery Service, Il Postino, etc?

If it's bad movie night, why doesn't the list start with "mystery science"
and end with "theater 3000?"


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:

> Great news!!!
>
> Crowdtilt <http://www.crowdtilt.com> has offered to sponsor our YAPC
> movie night. This makes the event even more affordable than we originally
> anticipated. If you're planning on attending, please contribute on the official
> campaign page<https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header>.
> Can't wait to see you all in-person.
>
> P.S. (I can't believe you all like The Fifth Element ... *facepalms*)
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?
>>>
>>
>> It's an awesome film! I think it's only bad in the same sense that
>> Starship Troopers is bad -- they both subvert *and* play their tropes
>> straight, which, at least to me, makes them very enjoyable. Green?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my beeper
>>>
>>
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make
>>> decent flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element
>>> (Bruce Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one
>>> of those.
>>>
>>> </alnewkirk>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <
>>> denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature.
>>>> I
>>>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>>>>
>>>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
>>>> large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have
>>>> licenses for!
>>>>
>>>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Denise Paolucci
>>>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>>>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join
>>>> us: www.dreamwidth.org
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> anewkirk at ana.io
>>> http://ana.io/
>>> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
>>> ;
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
>
> anewkirk at ana.io
> http://ana.io/
> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
> ;
> +1 888 938 3973
>
>
>
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From john at crowdtilt.com  Tue May 28 11:04:55 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:04:55 -0700
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAA5zTrWvT5kDLonvp9mXotACd6mPML+gUoULVSLPR_+V7QoTjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, "A Boy and his Dog" is a wonderful film.  Another movie with that kind
of cult status and feel, admittedly in a completely different theme, is
"Harold and Maude."


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Jack Lupton <jacklupton at gmail.com> wrote:

> 'A Boy and His Dog' featuring a young Don Johnson.
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>
>> Great news!!!
>>
>> Crowdtilt <http://www.crowdtilt.com> has offered to sponsor our YAPC
>> movie night. This makes the event even more affordable than we originally
>> anticipated. If you're planning on attending, please contribute on the official
>> campaign page<https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header>.
>> Can't wait to see you all in-person.
>>
>> P.S. (I can't believe you all like The Fifth Element ... *facepalms*)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it bad that I like Fifth Element?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's an awesome film! I think it's only bad in the same sense that
>>> Starship Troopers is bad -- they both subvert *and* play their tropes
>>> straight, which, at least to me, makes them very enjoyable. Green?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my beeper
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Al Newkirk <anewkirk at ana.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Two of the worst movies ever starring male actors who usually make
>>>> decent flicks are, Battlefield Earth (John Travlota) and The Fifth Element
>>>> (Bruce Willis). If you want to kick the suck-factor up a knotch, show one
>>>> of those.
>>>>
>>>> </alnewkirk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Denise Paolucci <
>>>> denise at dwscoalition.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second
>>>>> feature. I
>>>>> > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>>>>>
>>>>> from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
>>>>> large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that they have
>>>>> licenses for!
>>>>>
>>>>> as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Denise Paolucci
>>>>> denise at dwscoalition.org
>>>>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations.
>>>>> Join us: www.dreamwidth.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> anewkirk at ana.io
>>>> http://ana.io/
>>>> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
>>>> ;
>>>> +1 888 938 3973
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> yapc mailing list
>>>> yapc at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> anewkirk at ana.io
>> http://ana.io/
>> twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>; linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
>> ;
>> +1 888 938 3973
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
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>



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From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue May 28 11:09:54 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:09:54 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On 05/28/2013 02:03 PM, Jack Lupton wrote:
> 'A Boy and His Dog' featuring a young Don Johnson.
>

ugh!! i saw a rough cut of this (while sitting near harlan ellison and 
chatting with him) shown at the world sf conf in DC in 1974. a 'dog' of 
a movie!

uri




From anewkirk at ana.io  Tue May 28 11:16:33 2013
From: anewkirk at ana.io (Al Newkirk)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:16:33 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is pretty great albeit a bit dark. Not sure
if that's appropriate, but then again we will be drinking beer so...


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> On 05/28/2013 02:03 PM, Jack Lupton wrote:
>
>> 'A Boy and His Dog' featuring a young Don Johnson.
>>
>>
> ugh!! i saw a rough cut of this (while sitting near harlan ellison and
> chatting with him) shown at the world sf conf in DC in 1974. a 'dog' of a
> movie!
>
> uri
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>



-- 

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http://ana.io/
twitter <http://twitter.com/_anewkirk>;
linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/alnewkirk/>
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From barefootcoder at gmail.com  Tue May 28 11:20:49 2013
From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:20:49 -0700
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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From jacklupton at gmail.com  Tue May 28 12:21:44 2013
From: jacklupton at gmail.com (Jack Lupton)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:21:44 -0500
Subject: Fwd: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAA5zTrWZLhsLpvMKDkownwLfV1Tr5Qr51qdnATgVRgx_kaytYw@mail.gmail.com>
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An oversight; I replied to Uri instead of the list.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jack Lupton <jacklupton at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: movie night status
To: Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>


Rough cut? I think that's all there is. The one I saw certainly seemed like
a rough cut. Lots of good heckling opportunities.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> On 05/28/2013 02:03 PM, Jack Lupton wrote:
>
>> 'A Boy and His Dog' featuring a young Don Johnson.
>>
>>
> ugh!! i saw a rough cut of this (while sitting near harlan ellison and
> chatting with him) shown at the world sf conf in DC in 1974. a 'dog' of a
> movie!
>
> uri
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
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From rurban at x-ray.at  Tue May 28 13:56:54 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:56:54 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAA5zTrXTbBU6Ueke_syJbaCrBgouKyRyQdy2GAFhvCPWXr0BXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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For the record. I'm all for Uri's first suggestion, the old hippie
James Coburn spy parody.
He did a lot, and all of them are hilarious, esp. the Derek Flint "Our
Man Flint" and "In Like Flint". But
"The President's Analyst" is esp. awesome.
But also other parodies of those parodies, like (no, of course not
Austin Powers) Roman Coppola's "CQ",
A film about a female James Bond in space.

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Jack Lupton <jacklupton at gmail.com> wrote:
> An oversight; I replied to Uri instead of the list.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jack Lupton <jacklupton at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: movie night status
> To: Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>
>
>
> Rough cut? I think that's all there is. The one I saw certainly seemed like
> a rough cut. Lots of good heckling opportunities.
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 05/28/2013 02:03 PM, Jack Lupton wrote:
>>>
>>> 'A Boy and His Dog' featuring a young Don Johnson.
>>>
>>
>> ugh!! i saw a rough cut of this (while sitting near harlan ellison and
>> chatting with him) shown at the world sf conf in DC in 1974. a 'dog' of a
>> movie!
>>
>> uri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
>
>
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From fluhmann at gmail.com  Tue May 28 19:26:26 2013
From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:26:26 -0500
Subject: Housing rentals
Message-ID: <CANJw_Aa90rMyJU4iv+ge3qqPY=ah1eEWX=jz=fXoMzcUNmXQ-w@mail.gmail.com>

For those that may have not decided on housing arrangements, you might
check out Home Away (HQ in Austin).  They specialize in "vacation" rentals,
which also include short visits (not limited to Austin, of course).  I'll
be using them over the next few months when traveling.

http://www.homeaway.com

Cheers,
Jeremy
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From msouth at gmail.com  Wed May 29 09:16:42 2013
From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:16:42 -0500
Subject: Making [user:nickname] work on the wiki
Message-ID: <CAN483vfxZYWih6wvvosEaebierKY=NmAo09OZ2C2cA4qLA9cmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I noticed that a lot of people have [user:nickname] tags in places that are
just rendering as literal text (i.e. not a link to the user). Others have
[user:\d{4}] (their user id, I'm guessing).

I got [user:nickname] to work by setting a nickname in my profile.

Go to Conference->Account and Signup

Find the "edit profile" link there.

Set the "nickname" field [might be nice if that defaulted to login, btw, if
anyone who writes this software is listening] to whatever you want your
nickname to be, and save.

Then [user:nickname] should work (with your nickname in place of the string
'nickname', I mean).

mike
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 29 09:59:18 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:59:18 -0400
Subject: perl jobs bof reminder
Message-ID: <51A633E6.5080009@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

the perl jobs bof will be held at lunch time on monday at the under the 
oaks cafe in the TCC lower level. it is very convenient and the menu is 
inexpensive (dunno how good it is). sign up on the wiki page if you plan 
to attend. note that we have a 2 hour lunch break on monday so we have 
plenty of time to chat. there are 11 signups already.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF

thanx,

uri

From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 12:07:06 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:07:06 -0400
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAF_ePBYMySYLf1EzUdc6gAfa7=n=PGygGk6u7_+RCT764UhVJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:04:13AM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> 
> If it's bad movie night, why doesn't the list start with "mystery science"
> and end with "theater 3000?"

Because it's not Bad Movie night. That will probably be a different
night, not as well planned, and with much worse films. :-)

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Hey, Siegfried!  Pick an accent and stick with it!
	- Tom Servo, MST3K

From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 12:09:50 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:09:50 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:04:55AM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> Another movie with that kind
> of cult status and feel, admittedly in a completely different theme, is
> "Harold and Maude."

...which I believe I have.

Incidentally, you all should get on this. I leave Saturday, and I'm not
bringing the whole list with me. :-)

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
If you're going to do something, you might as well seek world
domination.	- Inferno on #perl

From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 12:12:08 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:12:08 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 01:09:21AM -0400, William Stevenson wrote:
> Also, El Mariachi is awesome - The Postman with Kevin Costner is so bad
> that I wanted the time back I spent watching the movie - the only
> redeeming part was Tom Petty's cameo as the mayor of a post-apocalyptic
> city.

I refuse to watch the Postman, as I assume it will ruin the book for me,
and I'm not doing that.

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
well, um, there will be guitars
	- marm0t

From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 12:17:39 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:17:39 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:47:52PM -0500, Alan Spector wrote:
> Did anyone mention Night of the Lepus? Can't go wrong with killer attack rabbits

Starring Janet Leigh of all people. Even better, based on the book Night
Of The Angry Rabbit.

Maybe I can get hold of a copy before yapc.

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Perhaps it IS a good day to Die!  I say we ship it!
	- a selection from "If Klingons developed software"

From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed May 29 12:26:45 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:26:45 -0500
Subject: movie night status
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On May 29, 2013, at 2:12 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 01:09:21AM -0400, William Stevenson wrote:
>> Also, El Mariachi is awesome - The Postman with Kevin Costner is so bad
>> that I wanted the time back I spent watching the movie - the only
>> redeeming part was Tom Petty's cameo as the mayor of a post-apocalyptic
>> city.
> 
> I refuse to watch the Postman, as I assume it will ruin the book for me,
> and I'm not doing that.
> 

Ditto for Battlefield Earth! I assume Travolta is going to Dianetics hell for what he did do that book!

Todd


From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 29 12:30:41 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:30:41 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On 05/29/2013 03:09 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>
> Incidentally, you all should get on this. I leave Saturday, and I'm not
> bringing the whole list with me. :-)


hi dave,

can you bring the shorter list i posted? or we can quickly make a subset 
of that. i am open to you only bringing maybe 10 movies and we can 
decide there what to play as a double feature. my list was just to get 
some voting and nothing happened. so if no one chimes in, you and i can 
be the movie moguls here.

thanx,

uri





From mikefrag at gmail.com  Wed May 29 12:33:31 2013
From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:33:31 -0500
Subject: movie night status
In-Reply-To: <CAPwZOK5LmhfccFKPjKDzJiB4Yvkbc-WJFdOzuuwaw6iM5TpiZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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If anyone wants the movies to be related to Austin, in keeping with the
venue, a number of the movies of Richard Rodriguez (like Machete, Planet
Terror) and Richard Linklater (Slacker, Dazed and Confused, etc.) were
filmed in Austin, as was Quentin Tarnatino's Death Proof.  IMDB actually
has a "Filming Location" search option:

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?locations=Austin,%20Texas,%20USA&ref_=tt_dt_dt



On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Chris Fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:

> I'll add  _Once Upon A Time In Mexico_ as a high star count low results
> movie.  But it has plenty of guns and explosions to make up somewhat.  It's
> almost up there with Batman and Robin.
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Walt Mankowski <waltman at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:09:53PM -0400, Denise Paolucci wrote:
>> >
>> > On May 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>> >
>> > > In that case I guess Uri was wrong about me showing a second feature.
>> I
>> > > guess Bad Movie Night will have to be its own, traditional, event.
>> >
>> > from what i can tell, though, the alamo does seem to have a rather
>> > large library of second-run movies, both bad and otherwise, that
>> > they have licenses for!
>> >
>> > as for bad movies, my favorite is "the prophecy". :)
>>
>> Drexel University recently hosted a "Mega-Bad Movie Night" as part of
>> our annual Engineers Week festivities.  The movie they chose was "The
>> Core".
>>
>> I'd never seen it before, but I can report that it was, indeed,
>> mega-bad.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>
>
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From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 12:39:16 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:39:16 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 03:30:41PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> On 05/29/2013 03:09 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> >
> >Incidentally, you all should get on this. I leave Saturday, and I'm not
> >bringing the whole list with me. :-)
> 
> 
> hi dave,
> 
> can you bring the shorter list i posted? or we can quickly make a
> subset of that. i am open to you only bringing maybe 10 movies and
> we can decide there what to play as a double feature. my list was
> just to get some voting and nothing happened. so if no one chimes
> in, you and i can be the movie moguls here.

I'll probably just wind up making some executive decisions. :-)

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
your idea of better is wrong. - sungo

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed May 29 12:54:56 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:54:56 -0400
Subject: movie night status
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On 05/29/2013 03:39 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 03:30:41PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> On 05/29/2013 03:09 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
>>>
>>> Incidentally, you all should get on this. I leave Saturday, and I'm not
>>> bringing the whole list with me. :-)
>>
>>
>> hi dave,
>>
>> can you bring the shorter list i posted? or we can quickly make a
>> subset of that. i am open to you only bringing maybe 10 movies and
>> we can decide there what to play as a double feature. my list was
>> just to get some voting and nothing happened. so if no one chimes
>> in, you and i can be the movie moguls here.
>
> I'll probably just wind up making some executive decisions. :-)

you had better execute them well or be executed! :)

president's analyst goes in your pocket!

thanx,

uri



From rurban at x-ray.at  Wed May 29 14:30:44 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:30:44 -0500
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <CA+nL+nZt-L2c-MejRS8r23tpXbfJ-gbT5aesstZueEDxJpLPpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519F08F8.1040908@stemsystems.com>
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>> plan 9 is just the most famous worst film ever. it was voted that some
>> years ago so it clings to that title. the director (ed wood) was a loon and
>> transvestite among other things (like a bad director).
>
> So.. apparently being a transvestite is not only a bad thing, but just as
> bad as being a loon. What do you know. uri--, this is not acceptable
> behavior.

I have no idea what you inferring here, and why you are doing it.
Ed Wood was pretty well-known to be a loon (a crazy lunatic),
a cross dresser (some outsiders might call his behaviour transvestite),
and one of the worst movie directors all times. Well, Uwe Boll might
be worse for sure.

But I really cannot see how how came to understand uri's sentence as inferring.
3 adjectives, without apparent connection.
--
Reini

From john at crowdtilt.com  Wed May 29 14:52:26 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:52:26 -0700
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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Well, then an explanation is in order.

Loon is a significantly derogatory term.  There are ways to discuss people
with mental illness which do not carry that level of stigma.

Similarly, someone's gender orientation probably isn't meaningful for
discussion, especially not when rolled together with madness and other
critically toned comments.  There's nothing particularly wrong with cross
dressing; that's a lifestyle, not a problem.  This is particularly of
interest because Ed was placed into that lifestyle by his mother, rather
than through personal orientation.

Also of note is that I think the accusation of mental illness is probably
over-stated.  He was in the 1950s, when adult fetishes were considered a
sign of mental illness (simple things like one now takes for granted.)  By
modern standards, he wouldn't even be considered particularly kinky.
Remember, this was a time when the head of the FBI was terrified that
people would discover he wore dresses in private, and would as a result be
institutionalized or lobotomized.  Things are different today.

I don't know that uri particularly made me angry, but it was fairly easy to
understand as a comment that could trouble people who themselves were or
had friends or family who were in these groups.  We're all sort of riding
out a wave of massive over-sensitivity in software engineering, to the
point that an outsider can over-hear and misunderstand a joke about forking
a codebase, and end up getting three people fired.

So let's err on the side of being considerate, until we can go back to
being a community of plain spoken people?

Anyway, that's how I see it.  Thanks for hearing me out, and I won't speak
to the matter again.

Also, his bad movies are actually really good.  They're like movies that
someone was dared to make.  Give them a chance.  It's not like we're
talking about Hammer Films here.  :)  If you think Plan 9 from Outer Space
is the worst movie of all time, I recommend a good solid showing of Legend
of the Seven Golden Vampires, or other unrelated classics like Attack of
the Killer Tomatoes Part 3 and Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD.




On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Brian Fraser <fraserbn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>
> wrote:
> >> plan 9 is just the most famous worst film ever. it was voted that some
> >> years ago so it clings to that title. the director (ed wood) was a loon
> and
> >> transvestite among other things (like a bad director).
> >
> > So.. apparently being a transvestite is not only a bad thing, but just as
> > bad as being a loon. What do you know. uri--, this is not acceptable
> > behavior.
>
> I have no idea what you inferring here, and why you are doing it.
> Ed Wood was pretty well-known to be a loon (a crazy lunatic),
> a cross dresser (some outsiders might call his behaviour transvestite),
> and one of the worst movie directors all times. Well, Uwe Boll might
> be worse for sure.
>
> But I really cannot see how how came to understand uri's sentence as
> inferring.
> 3 adjectives, without apparent connection.
> --
> Reini
>
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From rev.chip at gmail.com  Wed May 29 16:44:46 2013
From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Reverend Chip)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:44:46 -0700
Subject: Will Register For Livestream.  Or just watch.  :)
Message-ID: <51A692EE.8070104@gmail.com>

I won't be attending YAPC this year, for reasons unrelated to YAPC.  So
far I haven't seen any sign of live streaming of YAPC talks generally. 
Of course I don't feel like I'm entitled, though if registering *did*
entitle me I'd register instantly.  It would be Very Nice nevertheless.

Failing that, would anyone who's going and already has a high-quality
USB mic be willing to bring it?  Then the speakers or YAPC organizers
who decide to stream bits of the conference will be able to generate
good audio which is definitely the Very Most Important Part of any talk
recording.  Running a Google Hangout during hackathons would also be a
very nice way for non-attenders to participate.  Something like
http://www.amazon.com/musical-instruments/dp/B002OO18NS would be ideal
for a hackathon room.

PS: A quick-n-easy way to stream to the world is a Google Hangout On
Air, which goes to Youtube.  Free!  And the codecs are good. 
http://www.google.com/+/learnmore/hangouts/onair.html
PPS: A camera better than J. Random Webcam would be a nice little bonus,
but it's not nearly as important as a good mic.
PPPS: If anyone reading this is considering streaming, practice at
home.  You don't want to debug your setup on site.


From diakopter at gmail.com  Wed May 29 16:51:39 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:51:39 -0700
Subject: Will Register For Livestream. Or just watch. :)
In-Reply-To: <51A692EE.8070104@gmail.com>
References: <51A692EE.8070104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGFRqmb7RSJoqm1CO55BGa9r_gqGJXB2pHSnNHNJzqPzRg@mail.gmail.com>

Not to worry, each room will be providing us with a feed from the house
sound, into which the speakers' laptops can output audio to be mixed with
the microphone.  Should be great!

We'll be using HD livestream broadcaster units, and we hope to use the
camera to get as much of the projector screen as possible and also the
speaker in the frame.  I'll send out the URL to the livestreams in a couple
days.

thanks


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Reverend Chip <rev.chip at gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't be attending YAPC this year, for reasons unrelated to YAPC.  So
> far I haven't seen any sign of live streaming of YAPC talks generally.
> Of course I don't feel like I'm entitled, though if registering *did*
> entitle me I'd register instantly.  It would be Very Nice nevertheless.
>
> Failing that, would anyone who's going and already has a high-quality
> USB mic be willing to bring it?  Then the speakers or YAPC organizers
> who decide to stream bits of the conference will be able to generate
> good audio which is definitely the Very Most Important Part of any talk
> recording.  Running a Google Hangout during hackathons would also be a
> very nice way for non-attenders to participate.  Something like
> http://www.amazon.com/musical-instruments/dp/B002OO18NS would be ideal
> for a hackathon room.
>
> PS: A quick-n-easy way to stream to the world is a Google Hangout On
> Air, which goes to Youtube.  Free!  And the codecs are good.
> http://www.google.com/+/learnmore/hangouts/onair.html
> PPS: A camera better than J. Random Webcam would be a nice little bonus,
> but it's not nearly as important as a good mic.
> PPPS: If anyone reading this is considering streaming, practice at
> home.  You don't want to debug your setup on site.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From rev.chip at gmail.com  Wed May 29 17:04:56 2013
From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Reverend Chip)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 17:04:56 -0700
Subject: Will Register For Livestream. Or just watch. :)
In-Reply-To: <CAH0_hGFRqmb7RSJoqm1CO55BGa9r_gqGJXB2pHSnNHNJzqPzRg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51A697A8.3090402@gmail.com>

On 5/29/2013 4:51 PM, Matthew Wilson wrote:
> Not to worry, each room will be providing us with a feed from the
> house sound, into which the speakers' laptops can output audio to be
> mixed with the microphone.  Should be great!  
>

Sweetness!  I'll contribute to help pay for that, it's super.


From bulk88 at hotmail.com  Wed May 29 20:42:22 2013
From: bulk88 at hotmail.com (bulk88)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 23:42:22 -0400
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>

Weather reports say for YAPCNA high mid 90s, lows mid 70s. So in Austin, 
what are the AC thermostats set to in public buildings? Also interested 
in TCC's temperature. I'm trying to figure out which of the following 
indoor temperature ideas are typical there,  a heat acclimatizated 78F, 
energy saving 75F, generic 72F, or comfortable wearing a suit  office 
space 68-70F?

From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 21:25:52 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:25:52 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <CAF_ePBYHj6KtAe_Ow0cMuvmX0=1vfG+H5WoUx-wi9_htHuS4vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
	<20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com> <681872731749631@otje>
	<20130528032624.GB17395@panix.com>
	<51A42DD6.2000206@stemsystems.com>
	<CA+nL+nZt-L2c-MejRS8r23tpXbfJ-gbT5aesstZueEDxJpLPpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DF-nHob++uKbSOABTvOabNnpzK_d_aZvUnBmXjN=jUU3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20130530042551.GA15470@panix.com>

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 02:52:26PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> 
> Also, his bad movies are actually really good.  They're like movies that
> someone was dared to make.  Give them a chance.  It's not like we're
> talking about Hammer Films here.  :)  If you think Plan 9 from Outer Space
> is the worst movie of all time, I recommend a good solid showing of Legend
> of the Seven Golden Vampires, or other unrelated classics like Attack of
> the Killer Tomatoes Part 3 and Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD.

I had an argument once with a friend who taught film about Ed Wood being
an auteur. I claimed he was, as his films had a clear stylistic and
thematic consistency. He claimed he wasn't because his films were awful.

And, my lord, Attack of the Killer Tomatoes was bad enough. They made
THREE of them?

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Unicode is a scary story that mothers tell their children so they won't
grow up to be ISO committee members.	- Chip Salzenberg

From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed May 29 21:27:17 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 23:27:17 -0500
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6BAA4A12-8569-41E3-A439-3857D435D949@cpanel.net>


On May 29, 2013, at 10:42 PM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Weather reports say for YAPCNA high mid 90s, lows mid 70s. So in Austin, what are the AC thermostats set to in public buildings? Also interested in TCC's temperature. I'm trying to figure out which of the following indoor temperature ideas are typical there,  a heat acclimatizated 78F, energy saving 75F, generic 72F, or comfortable wearing a suit  office space 68-70F?

I've sent a query and will give you a definite answer tomorrow. My expectation is that the answer is probably 72. Do keep in mind that you have to walk for 2-3 minutes outside to get from TCC to the LBJ Auditorium.

Thanks,
Todd


From mfcovington at gmail.com  Wed May 29 21:32:35 2013
From: mfcovington at gmail.com (Mike Covington)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:32:35 -0700
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <6BAA4A12-8569-41E3-A439-3857D435D949@cpanel.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
	<6BAA4A12-8569-41E3-A439-3857D435D949@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <66A702B3-7327-45E6-AD22-1E6122020C42@gmail.com>

Not sure what the typical A/C is like in Austin, but when I lived in Houston, I had to dress for Winter while at work and then I'd melt anytime I had to walk outside. I don't recall how the humidity compares, but when I would walk outside I wouldn't be able to see for a few minutes due to fogged-up glasses.
 
On May 29, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:

> 
> On May 29, 2013, at 10:42 PM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Weather reports say for YAPCNA high mid 90s, lows mid 70s. So in Austin, what are the AC thermostats set to in public buildings? Also interested in TCC's temperature. I'm trying to figure out which of the following indoor temperature ideas are typical there,  a heat acclimatizated 78F, energy saving 75F, generic 72F, or comfortable wearing a suit  office space 68-70F?
> 
> I've sent a query and will give you a definite answer tomorrow. My expectation is that the answer is probably 72. Do keep in mind that you have to walk for 2-3 minutes outside to get from TCC to the LBJ Auditorium.
> 
> Thanks,
> Todd
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From diakopter at gmail.com  Wed May 29 21:37:32 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:37:32 -0700
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <20130530042551.GA15470@panix.com>
References: <20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
	<20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com> <681872731749631@otje>
	<20130528032624.GB17395@panix.com>
	<51A42DD6.2000206@stemsystems.com>
	<CA+nL+nZt-L2c-MejRS8r23tpXbfJ-gbT5aesstZueEDxJpLPpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DF-nHob++uKbSOABTvOabNnpzK_d_aZvUnBmXjN=jUU3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF_ePBYHj6KtAe_Ow0cMuvmX0=1vfG+H5WoUx-wi9_htHuS4vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130530042551.GA15470@panix.com>
Message-ID: <B024D723-9B52-46E1-AABE-321F3B8705E6@gmail.com>

Do they cross the line from self-homage to self-parody and back?

Sent from my beeper

On May 29, 2013, at 9:25 PM, "David H. Adler" <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 02:52:26PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
>> 
>> Also, his bad movies are actually really good.  They're like movies that
>> someone was dared to make.  Give them a chance.  It's not like we're
>> talking about Hammer Films here.  :)  If you think Plan 9 from Outer Space
>> is the worst movie of all time, I recommend a good solid showing of Legend
>> of the Seven Golden Vampires, or other unrelated classics like Attack of
>> the Killer Tomatoes Part 3 and Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD.
> 
> I had an argument once with a friend who taught film about Ed Wood being
> an auteur. I claimed he was, as his films had a clear stylistic and
> thematic consistency. He claimed he wasn't because his films were awful.
> 
> And, my lord, Attack of the Killer Tomatoes was bad enough. They made
> THREE of them?
> 
> dha
> 
> -- 
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> Unicode is a scary story that mothers tell their children so they won't
> grow up to be ISO committee members.    - Chip Salzenberg
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
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From john at crowdtilt.com  Wed May 29 22:12:06 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:06 -0700
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <20130530042551.GA15470@panix.com>
References: <20130524200014.GD27664@mawode.com>
	<20130524213503.GA22100@panix.com>
	<519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com> <681872731749631@otje>
	<20130528032624.GB17395@panix.com>
	<51A42DD6.2000206@stemsystems.com>
	<CA+nL+nZt-L2c-MejRS8r23tpXbfJ-gbT5aesstZueEDxJpLPpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DF-nHob++uKbSOABTvOabNnpzK_d_aZvUnBmXjN=jUU3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF_ePBYHj6KtAe_Ow0cMuvmX0=1vfG+H5WoUx-wi9_htHuS4vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130530042551.GA15470@panix.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_ePBYygbuXf5j0Vpxe6e7wrZ0bYFEcjBQNLAqLJRbDt1JKyg@mail.gmail.com>

There are four in the original set - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Return
of the Killer Tomatoes, Killer Tomatoes Strike Back, and Killer Tomatoes
Eat France.

There was a cartoon on Fox Kids, a comic series by Viper, three or four
video games, and half a dozen homages.

They are currently remaking the original for a reboot.


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:25 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 02:52:26PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> >
> > Also, his bad movies are actually really good.  They're like movies that
> > someone was dared to make.  Give them a chance.  It's not like we're
> > talking about Hammer Films here.  :)  If you think Plan 9 from Outer
> Space
> > is the worst movie of all time, I recommend a good solid showing of
> Legend
> > of the Seven Golden Vampires, or other unrelated classics like Attack of
> > the Killer Tomatoes Part 3 and Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD.
>
> I had an argument once with a friend who taught film about Ed Wood being
> an auteur. I claimed he was, as his films had a clear stylistic and
> thematic consistency. He claimed he wasn't because his films were awful.
>
> And, my lord, Attack of the Killer Tomatoes was bad enough. They made
> THREE of them?
>
> dha
>
> --
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> Unicode is a scary story that mothers tell their children so they won't
> grow up to be ISO committee members.    - Chip Salzenberg
>



-- 
John Haugeland
Crowdtilt <http://crowdtilt.com/> is what I do
Connect with me on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JohnHaugeland>

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From pmichaud at pobox.com  Wed May 29 22:30:24 2013
From: pmichaud at pobox.com (Patrick R. Michaud)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:30:24 -0500
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <66A702B3-7327-45E6-AD22-1E6122020C42@gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:32:35PM -0700, Mike Covington wrote:
> Not sure what the typical A/C is like in Austin, but when 
> I lived in Houston, I had to dress for Winter while at work 
> and then I'd melt anytime I had to walk outside. 

Given that it's a University environment, I suspect the
temperatures in buildings will be set for the mid-low 70s.
They'd want people (e.g. students) to be comfortable in
warmer clothing, without freezing out those who are wearing
shorts or lighter clothing in the Texas late-Spring.

Of course, if the University or building managers decide that's
the week to institute energy saving measures (as sometimes happened
at the University I worked at when classes weren't in session), 
then it might be a bit on the warmer side inside.

Personally I plan to wear shorts most of the time I'm there.

> I don't recall how the humidity compares, but when I would 
> walk outside I wouldn't be able to see for a few minutes 
> due to fogged-up glasses.

I've never found Austin to be particularly humid, and certainly
not anything like Houston levels of humidity.  I tend to think of 
Austin as more arid than humid, at least in the spring and summer 
months.  Mornings can be a bit humid but they're cool (60s), 
and the air dries out a fair bit as the day goes on.

Pm

From dha at panix.com  Wed May 29 23:20:38 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 02:20:38 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <CAF_ePBYygbuXf5j0Vpxe6e7wrZ0bYFEcjBQNLAqLJRbDt1JKyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com> <681872731749631@otje>
	<20130528032624.GB17395@panix.com>
	<51A42DD6.2000206@stemsystems.com>
	<CA+nL+nZt-L2c-MejRS8r23tpXbfJ-gbT5aesstZueEDxJpLPpg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20130530062038.GA11247@panix.com>

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:12:06PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> There are four in the original set - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Return
> of the Killer Tomatoes, Killer Tomatoes Strike Back, and Killer Tomatoes
> Eat France.
> 
> There was a cartoon on Fox Kids, a comic series by Viper, three or four
> video games, and half a dozen homages.
> 
> They are currently remaking the original for a reboot.

Please tell me they are retaining the original theme song. It's the only
good part of the film. I have the 45.

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
one of you believed IRC.
	- integral on #perl

From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 00:21:09 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 03:21:09 -0400
Subject: double feature!
Message-ID: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

no one voted on the movie selection but we have had fun discussing bad 
movies. as dha said, he has to make a decision on what to bring for this 
as well as his real bad movie bof. my choice is a double feature of the 
president's analyst and north by northwest. both are full of intrigue, 
chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!

dha can still stick his educated schnozz into this.

and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is 
sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they are 
renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more once i 
get some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to make this 
happen. we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some haven't paid up 
yet. remember this event is only 4 days from now!

regardless of the films chosen, you will have a good time.

thanx,

uri

From john at crowdtilt.com  Thu May 30 00:36:03 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:36:03 -0700
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_ePBbc2DpGheEOrrchD6emf-KQ9m5+y8W0ppv17WStOz4+5g@mail.gmail.com>

If nobody voted, I can control with a /single/ vote.

Darren Aronofsky's Pi, followed by MST3K This Island Earth.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> no one voted on the movie selection but we have had fun discussing bad
> movies. as dha said, he has to make a decision on what to bring for this as
> well as his real bad movie bof. my choice is a double feature of the
> president's analyst and north by northwest. both are full of intrigue,
> chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!
>
> dha can still stick his educated schnozz into this.
>
> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
> sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they are
> renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more once i get
> some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to make this happen.
> we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some haven't paid up yet.
> remember this event is only 4 days from now!
>
> regardless of the films chosen, you will have a good time.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>



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From john at crowdtilt.com  Thu May 30 00:37:12 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:37:12 -0700
Subject: dha is the catalog!
In-Reply-To: <20130530062038.GA11247@panix.com>
References: <519FDF6C.2000108@stemsystems.com>
	<20130525062109.GA28536@panix.com> <681872731749631@otje>
	<20130528032624.GB17395@panix.com>
	<51A42DD6.2000206@stemsystems.com>
	<CA+nL+nZt-L2c-MejRS8r23tpXbfJ-gbT5aesstZueEDxJpLPpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHiT=DF-nHob++uKbSOABTvOabNnpzK_d_aZvUnBmXjN=jUU3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF_ePBYHj6KtAe_Ow0cMuvmX0=1vfG+H5WoUx-wi9_htHuS4vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130530042551.GA15470@panix.com>
	<CAF_ePBYygbuXf5j0Vpxe6e7wrZ0bYFEcjBQNLAqLJRbDt1JKyg@mail.gmail.com>
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Unknown at this time.


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:12:06PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> > There are four in the original set - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes,
> Return
> > of the Killer Tomatoes, Killer Tomatoes Strike Back, and Killer Tomatoes
> > Eat France.
> >
> > There was a cartoon on Fox Kids, a comic series by Viper, three or four
> > video games, and half a dozen homages.
> >
> > They are currently remaking the original for a reboot.
>
> Please tell me they are retaining the original theme song. It's the only
> good part of the film. I have the 45.
>
> dha
>
> --
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> one of you believed IRC.
>         - integral on #perl
>



-- 
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Crowdtilt <http://crowdtilt.com/> is what I do
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From diakopter at gmail.com  Thu May 30 00:38:04 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:38:04 -0700
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <CAF_ePBbc2DpGheEOrrchD6emf-KQ9m5+y8W0ppv17WStOz4+5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
	<CAF_ePBbc2DpGheEOrrchD6emf-KQ9m5+y8W0ppv17WStOz4+5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGEH4_Sepw3PY2A6bfXSSnQXw4D3y5NYbXsDWA1n_b2=Qw@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't care for pi at all... oh wait, or was that life of pi....


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, John Haugeland <john at crowdtilt.com> wrote:

> If nobody voted, I can control with a /single/ vote.
>
> Darren Aronofsky's Pi, followed by MST3K This Island Earth.
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> no one voted on the movie selection but we have had fun discussing bad
>> movies. as dha said, he has to make a decision on what to bring for this as
>> well as his real bad movie bof. my choice is a double feature of the
>> president's analyst and north by northwest. both are full of intrigue,
>> chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!
>>
>> dha can still stick his educated schnozz into this.
>>
>> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
>> sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they are
>> renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more once i get
>> some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to make this happen.
>> we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some haven't paid up yet.
>> remember this event is only 4 days from now!
>>
>> regardless of the films chosen, you will have a good time.
>>
>> thanx,
>>
>> uri
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> John Haugeland
> Crowdtilt <http://crowdtilt.com/> is what I do
> Connect with me on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JohnHaugeland>
>
> Check out our recent press! <https://www.crowdtilt.com/learn/press>
>
>
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From john at crowdtilt.com  Thu May 30 00:41:19 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:41:19 -0700
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <CAH0_hGEH4_Sepw3PY2A6bfXSSnQXw4D3y5NYbXsDWA1n_b2=Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
	<CAF_ePBbc2DpGheEOrrchD6emf-KQ9m5+y8W0ppv17WStOz4+5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH0_hGEH4_Sepw3PY2A6bfXSSnQXw4D3y5NYbXsDWA1n_b2=Qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_ePBZjrZvbkRMU010TH6RffW4L9GpMbpVdqTt0rc800P2FXw@mail.gmail.com>

The psychodrama about the mathematician, not the melodrama about boat boy
and tiger


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>wrote:

> I didn't care for pi at all... oh wait, or was that life of pi....
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, John Haugeland <john at crowdtilt.com>wrote:
>
>> If nobody voted, I can control with a /single/ vote.
>>
>> Darren Aronofsky's Pi, followed by MST3K This Island Earth.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>wrote:
>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> no one voted on the movie selection but we have had fun discussing bad
>>> movies. as dha said, he has to make a decision on what to bring for this as
>>> well as his real bad movie bof. my choice is a double feature of the
>>> president's analyst and north by northwest. both are full of intrigue,
>>> chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!
>>>
>>> dha can still stick his educated schnozz into this.
>>>
>>> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
>>> sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they are
>>> renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more once i get
>>> some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to make this happen.
>>> we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some haven't paid up yet.
>>> remember this event is only 4 days from now!
>>>
>>> regardless of the films chosen, you will have a good time.
>>>
>>> thanx,
>>>
>>> uri
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> yapc mailing list
>>> yapc at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc<http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Haugeland
>> Crowdtilt <http://crowdtilt.com/> is what I do
>> Connect with me on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JohnHaugeland>
>>
>> Check out our recent press! <https://www.crowdtilt.com/learn/press>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>>
>
>


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Crowdtilt <http://crowdtilt.com/> is what I do
Connect with me on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JohnHaugeland>

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From dha at panix.com  Thu May 30 01:06:47 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 04:06:47 -0400
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 03:21:09AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> no one voted on the movie selection but we have had fun discussing
> bad movies. as dha said, he has to make a decision on what to bring
> for this as well as his real bad movie bof. my choice is a double
> feature of the president's analyst and north by northwest. both are
> full of intrigue, chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!
> 
> dha can still stick his educated schnozz into this.

Yes I can. I should have a certain amount of selection, even if we want
to watch two *good* movies.

> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
> sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they
> are renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more
> once i get some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to
> make this happen. we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some
> haven't paid up yet. remember this event is only 4 days from now!

What's the link for that? And do you need to sign up on crowdtilt for
that? 'Cause, if so, there's a problem - I try to create an account and
it tells me there's and error and I should try again... but it doesn't
tell me what the error *is*. Just sent a message through their "chat
client" - which confused the heck out of me, but I'll recover. We'll see
what happens.

Needless to say, I'm willing to sign up if they'll let me!

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
DHA is the "Smorax", he is friends with the Twinkies and speaks for
the Choc-O-Diles.    - Mark Rogaski

From m.keating at shadowcat.co.uk  Thu May 30 01:19:46 2013
From: m.keating at shadowcat.co.uk (Mark Keating)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:19:46 +0100
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <20130530053024.GB12772@pmichaud.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
	<6BAA4A12-8569-41E3-A439-3857D435D949@cpanel.net>
	<66A702B3-7327-45E6-AD22-1E6122020C42@gmail.com>
	<20130530053024.GB12772@pmichaud.com>
Message-ID: <51A70BA2.3040004@shadowcat.co.uk>

Well, since I am from the north of England where average day temps at 
the moment are 12 centigrade - about 55 Fahrenheit and this is summer 
here, we could see temperatures of 20/70 degrees (a hot day) at this 
time of year and have to wait for that special week or two in August 
before we see 25/80 (which often doesn't happen) I can say only this.

Bugger.

I had better pack a bucket (pail) so you can carry me around when I melt 
like the portly gentleman at the end of Raiders of the Lost Arc.

-mdk

-- 
Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder.
Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat
For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me


From admin at yapcna.org  Thu May 30 03:38:08 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 03:38:08 -0700
Subject: Fwd: YAPC Austin Navigation - The LBJ Auditorium and Thompson
	Conference Center
In-Reply-To: <CALC=KU+P7YsWFW=P4D04z6bmdO-=NtkAYvUhWJsxs8kvJhGOLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC=KUJXzDb457Ngh_ZGtkoC0wLvGRasG0bOF7yKugvEoCNC4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALC=KUK_QKK8DSXsNjp186MNS_k2L_fngkk9nFwAWY-x=Jyh2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALC=KUKm-DD_3q9xrt6wo3w85QuBNfKHz491KnWyZjy=S2wkqg@mail.gmail.com>

First of two posts about the conference venue and schedule.

Starting with the LBJ Auditorium, this is the main meeting hall, the site
of all the plenary events and one quarter of the talks.

Here is its floor plan, where North is to the right.  Note its two
entrances - the 6 exterior doors from the Lower Lobby are shown in several
of the photos below, so you can find them.  They are at the bottom of a
long stairwell ramp on the side of the large concrete platform.

The other entrance is through the Upper Lobby, a long, wide walkway
connecting the stairs from the first floor lobby (yes, a lobby above the
Upper Lobby) with the Lower Lobby.

Registration/check-in on Monday morning is in the Upper Lobby.

See the next post for the TCC floor plan and conference schedule.

Highlight images from the blog post (many more
there)<http://blog.yapcna.org/post/51715017317/yapc-austin-navigation-the-lbj-auditorium-and>
:

[image: Inline image 1]

*LBJ Auditorium simple floor plan*



*LBJ Auditorium interior, from the lectern*

[image: Inline image 2]

*LBJ Entrance from the first floor lobby*

Overhead view of the area.  Note the concrete area connecting the parking
lot with the Sid Richardson Hall (the long building); Enter the glass area
there on the first floor to find the staircase (and elevators) down to the
Upper Lobby of LBJ Auditorium.  Note especially the long staircase ramp.
 At the bottom of that is the south entrance to the LBJ Auditorium Lower
Lobby (shown below).

[image: Inline image 3]
*LBJ area, facing north. Thompson Conference Center (TCC) in the top*

Here is the Lower Lobby, first as seen from the south (standing in front of
the 6 exterior doors), then from the north, facing the exterior doors, then
from the staircase looking down on some occupants.

[image: Inline image 4]
Lower Lobby, looking up toward the Upper Lobby

See the next post for the TCC floor plan and conference schedule.
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From admin at yapcna.org  Thu May 30 03:54:08 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 03:54:08 -0700
Subject: YAPC Austin TCC floor plan and conference schedule snapshot
Message-ID: <CALC=KU+vmwmrixWxG47COGGK-y8sTyrDWy1yWwPxson76PFR5Q@mail.gmail.com>

This is the second of two posts on the conference venue and schedule.

Here are some smaller-ish versions of the TCC floor plan and conference
schedule (the same images as they appear in the printed conf booklet,
actually).  If you have a smartphone and you're attending the conference,
save this where you can reference it easily so you don't always have to go
online to see the schedule.

*Actually there is already one correction to the below; at Monday 3:40,
Nick Perez is speaking on CloudPAN instead of Samit Badle on Selenium.

[image: Inline image 1]
[image: Inline image 2]
[image: Inline image 3]
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From timothylord at gmail.com  Thu May 30 06:08:26 2013
From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:08:26 -0500
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <51A70BA2.3040004@shadowcat.co.uk>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
	<6BAA4A12-8569-41E3-A439-3857D435D949@cpanel.net>
	<66A702B3-7327-45E6-AD22-1E6122020C42@gmail.com>
	<20130530053024.GB12772@pmichaud.com>
	<51A70BA2.3040004@shadowcat.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAKGwF=aiYoRgwcsQjHZnR_FSXgt9Aj+g33RYWr035SUeOQDgbA@mail.gmail.com>

I was a student (long ago) at UT Austin; if things now are like they were
then, a sweatshirt / windbreaker / long-sleeved shirt is a handy thing to
have in nearly any air conditioned building. You can unbutton or remove an
outer layer if you're warm enough, but you can't put one on if you don't
have it.

This is true not just on campus, but in many other places (theaters,
museums, restaurants), in that many places err on the side of freezing. I
don't personally mind this -- so long as I have remembered a protective
layer. It's the transition and contrast that can be jarring, even when I
like the indoor temperature just fine otherwise.




On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Mark Keating <m.keating at shadowcat.co.uk>wrote:

> Well, since I am from the north of England where average day temps at the
> moment are 12 centigrade - about 55 Fahrenheit and this is summer here, we
> could see temperatures of 20/70 degrees (a hot day) at this time of year
> and have to wait for that special week or two in August before we see 25/80
> (which often doesn't happen) I can say only this.
>
> Bugger.
>
> I had better pack a bucket (pail) so you can carry me around when I melt
> like the portly gentleman at the end of Raiders of the Lost Arc.
>
> -mdk
>
> --
> Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder.
> Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat
> For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me
>
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> yapc mailing list
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From douglas.white at nist.gov  Thu May 30 06:28:15 2013
From: douglas.white at nist.gov (Douglas White)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:28:15 -0400
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <51A753EF.2090606@nist.gov>



On 05/30/2013 03:21 AM, Uri Guttman wrote:
>  my choice is a double feature of the
> president's analyst and north by northwest. both are full of intrigue,
> chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!

Good choices. :-)

For future reference, I'd suggest "Spies Like Us" as that
also fits these prequisites. I think nobody mentioned it...

Doug (who can't attend *cough*sequester*cough*)


From toddr at cpanel.net  Thu May 30 07:25:09 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd E Rinaldo)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:25:09 -0500
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1A8492DC-738C-4FEC-9A75-B49CA67DF479@cpanel.net>

The number of the day is: 70. (Though they can bump it up per room if need be.)

On May 29, 2013, at 10:42 PM, bulk88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Weather reports say for YAPCNA high mid 90s, lows mid 70s. So in Austin, what are the AC thermostats set to in public buildings? Also interested in TCC's temperature. I'm trying to figure out which of the following indoor temperature ideas are typical there,  a heat acclimatizated 78F, energy saving 75F, generic 72F, or comfortable wearing a suit  office space 68-70F?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
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From GMeece at algebraixdata.com  Thu May 30 08:08:52 2013
From: GMeece at algebraixdata.com (Greg Meece)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:08:52 +0000
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <1A8492DC-738C-4FEC-9A75-B49CA67DF479@cpanel.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
	<1A8492DC-738C-4FEC-9A75-B49CA67DF479@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C44@mako.adc.local>

Low-to-mid 70's (21 C) is typical for most offices here, but some err on the side of "too cool" IMO, and tend to be warm natured (in body at least!). 

Humidity in Austin generally isn't terrible (nothing like Houston), but if you're from the Left Coast as I am originally, then any humidity above 40% may seem like a lot. Typically, the humidity this time of year will be between 45% to as high as 85% (yikes!). When thunderstorms roll through, you'll definitely notice the humidity then.

The advice I've seen repeated here sounds good - bring something light to put on should you be in an overly-cold room. I have a team mate that always has a sweatshirt or pull-over at the office even when it's in the 90's (32 C) outside.

For those visiting Austin for the first time, I really hope your visit is a pleasant one. Austin is my adopted home of 15 years now, and I love it.

Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead
Algebraix Data Corporation
9601 Amberglen Blvd, Suite G-119
Austin, TX 78729
www.algebraixdata.com


From GMeece at algebraixdata.com  Thu May 30 08:14:07 2013
From: GMeece at algebraixdata.com (Greg Meece)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:14:07 +0000
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C44@mako.adc.local>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
	<1A8492DC-738C-4FEC-9A75-B49CA67DF479@cpanel.net>
	<2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C44@mako.adc.local>
Message-ID: <2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C6B@mako.adc.local>

BTW, my first sentence should have read:

... and *I* tend to be warm natured (in body at least!).

Here's a nifty page that shows both current temps/radar as well as average humidity for the area:
http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;ws=29672;t0=1/1;t1=12/31;graphs=humidity:1

- Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+gmeece=algebraixdata.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Greg Meece
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:09 AM
To: yapc at pm.org
Subject: RE: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?

Low-to-mid 70's (21 C) is typical for most offices here, but some err on the side of "too cool" IMO, and tend to be warm natured (in body at least!). 

Humidity in Austin generally isn't terrible (nothing like Houston), but if you're from the Left Coast as I am originally, then any humidity above 40% may seem like a lot. Typically, the humidity this time of year will be between 45% to as high as 85% (yikes!). When thunderstorms roll through, you'll definitely notice the humidity then.

The advice I've seen repeated here sounds good - bring something light to put on should you be in an overly-cold room. I have a team mate that always has a sweatshirt or pull-over at the office even when it's in the 90's (32 C) outside.

For those visiting Austin for the first time, I really hope your visit is a pleasant one. Austin is my adopted home of 15 years now, and I love it.

Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead Algebraix Data Corporation
9601 Amberglen Blvd, Suite G-119
Austin, TX 78729
www.algebraixdata.com


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From perl at cjmweb.net  Thu May 30 08:43:27 2013
From: perl at cjmweb.net (Christopher J. Madsen)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:43:27 -0500
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <51A7739F.8020007@cjmweb.net>

On 05/30/2013 02:21 AM, Uri Guttman wrote:
> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is 
> sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they are 
> renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more once 
> i get some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to make 
> this happen. we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some haven't 
> paid up yet. remember this event is only 4 days from now!

Perhaps you should post a link to the Crowdtilt campaign on the wiki.  I 
haven't seen a link to it.

-- 
Chris Madsen                                          perl at cjmweb.net
   --------------------  http://www.cjmweb.net  --------------------



From karl at schillingconsulting.com  Thu May 30 08:43:38 2013
From: karl at schillingconsulting.com (Karl Arp)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:43:38 -0500
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
	<20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>
Message-ID: <DCEC4CC7-BE5A-4FAC-A596-667853C8EDEE@schillingconsulting.com>

In case anyone is still having problems creating an account for crowdtilt, try going straight to this page

https://www.crowdtilt.com/signup

it appears that they're having problems with their AJAX account creation, but the typical HTML form submit version still works.



On May 30, 2013, at 3:06 AM, David H. Adler wrote:

> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 03:21:09AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> hi all,
>> 
>> no one voted on the movie selection but we have had fun discussing
>> bad movies. as dha said, he has to make a decision on what to bring
>> for this as well as his real bad movie bof. my choice is a double
>> feature of the president's analyst and north by northwest. both are
>> full of intrigue, chases, female spies, humor, murder and more!
>> 
>> dha can still stick his educated schnozz into this.
> 
> Yes I can. I should have a certain amount of selection, even if we want
> to watch two *good* movies.
> 
>> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
>> sponsoring this and organizing the finances. you pay them and they
>> are renting the alamo draft house. we have 12 paid (i will be 2 more
>> once i get some silly error cleared up!:) and we need at least 20 to
>> make this happen. we have almost 20 on the wiki so that means some
>> haven't paid up yet. remember this event is only 4 days from now!
> 
> What's the link for that? And do you need to sign up on crowdtilt for
> that? 'Cause, if so, there's a problem - I try to create an account and
> it tells me there's and error and I should try again... but it doesn't
> tell me what the error *is*. Just sent a message through their "chat
> client" - which confused the heck out of me, but I'll recover. We'll see
> what happens.
> 
> Needless to say, I'm willing to sign up if they'll let me!
> 
> dha
> 
> -- 
> David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
> DHA is the "Smorax", he is friends with the Twinkies and speaks for
> the Choc-O-Diles.    - Mark Rogaski
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From gottreu at gmail.com  Thu May 30 09:34:11 2013
From: gottreu at gmail.com (Brian Gottreu)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:34:11 -0500
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
Message-ID: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>

Other than the Arrival Dinner, are non-attendees coming to Austin with an
attendee welcome at any of the events?

Thanks,
Brian Gottreu
YAPC VIP
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 09:48:23 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:48:23 -0400
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A782D7.3080109@stemsystems.com>

On 05/30/2013 12:34 PM, Brian Gottreu wrote:
> Other than the Arrival Dinner, are non-attendees coming to Austin with an
> attendee welcome at any of the events?

in general, they are welcome to all social events. there should be a way 
to buy a ticket for the banquet/game night. the movie night at the alamo 
is of course open to them as well but again, a ticket (via crowdtilt) 
needs to be bought. there has been some organized stuff in past yapc's 
for family and friends who are not attending. i haven't noticed anything 
this year.

thanx,

uri



From john at crowdtilt.com  Thu May 30 10:13:09 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:13:09 -0700
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
	<20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_ePBZ5mwe9AdeRXv8vdD-OnY1yrtJhRFCfVcom1T0+8OL5zQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 03:21:09AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> > and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
>
> What's the link for that?
>

https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 10:34:43 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:34:43 -0400
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <CAF_ePBZ5mwe9AdeRXv8vdD-OnY1yrtJhRFCfVcom1T0+8OL5zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
	<20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>
	<CAF_ePBZ5mwe9AdeRXv8vdD-OnY1yrtJhRFCfVcom1T0+8OL5zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A78DB3.9020506@stemsystems.com>

On 05/30/2013 01:13 PM, John Haugeland wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 03:21:09AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>>
>>> and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
>>
>> What's the link for that?
>>
>
> https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header
>

that link has the signup bug that i and others ran into. karl arp posted 
a pure html signup page we should use to sign up and then we should be 
able to pay via crowdtilt. i will update the wiki with this info (unless 
someone beats me to it).

https://www.crowdtilt.com/signup

thanx,

uri

From todd at rinaldo.us  Thu May 30 10:36:22 2013
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:36:22 -0500
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGEhf8sWSujr-ybJ4gin+YT5rHMyxCGW3O+6srgY0=ex2A@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

Monday - Dinner BOF is self organizing so family is welcome depending on
what group you get with.

Tuesday - Game night and Banquet, family is welcome, though please be aware
this is a drinking event.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Brian Gottreu <gottreu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Other than the Arrival Dinner, are non-attendees coming to Austin with an
> attendee welcome at any of the events?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Gottreu
> YAPC VIP
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>



-- 
Todd Rinaldo
todd at rinaldo.us
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 13:18:04 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:18:04 -0400
Subject: monday movie night is tilted!
Message-ID: <51A7B3FC.4000705@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i just bought 2 tix for the monday movie night and that means it is 
tilted  and will be going on for sure. at least 20 have signed on 
through crowdtilt so far. if you want to attend the wiki page has all 
the updated info and links you need:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SocialEvents

as usual there will be tons of attendees who just learn about this event 
on monday (like at the vip party where people will be asking what is 
there to do tonight). i don't know how walk-ins will be handled so i 
will ask any crowdtilt people to jump in here. given 20 already, my 
guess is we will have about 50 attending. :) so sign up NOW please!

movies will be selected from dha's traveling collection. i have made my 
voice heard for president's analyst (must see it) and north by northwest 
(a great crowd pleaser).

thanx,

uri

From khaled.hussein at gmail.com  Thu May 30 13:41:40 2013
From: khaled.hussein at gmail.com (Khaled Hussein)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:41:40 -0700
Subject: monday movie night is tilted!
In-Reply-To: <51A7B3FC.4000705@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A7B3FC.4000705@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <5EFC12E4-7274-4B5D-AFC8-281898A1ADFE@gmail.com>

And here is the link to the Crowdtilt campaign if you want to join this party :) and you totally should.

https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header


On May 30, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> i just bought 2 tix for the monday movie night and that means it is tilted  and will be going on for sure. at least 20 have signed on through crowdtilt so far. if you want to attend the wiki page has all the updated info and links you need:
> 
> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SocialEvents
> 
> as usual there will be tons of attendees who just learn about this event on monday (like at the vip party where people will be asking what is there to do tonight). i don't know how walk-ins will be handled so i will ask any crowdtilt people to jump in here. given 20 already, my guess is we will have about 50 attending. :) so sign up NOW please!
> 
> movies will be selected from dha's traveling collection. i have made my voice heard for president's analyst (must see it) and north by northwest (a great crowd pleaser).
> 
> thanx,
> 
> uri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

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From john at crowdtilt.com  Thu May 30 13:48:49 2013
From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:48:49 -0700
Subject: double feature!
In-Reply-To: <51A78DB3.9020506@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A6FDE5.6000907@stemsystems.com>
	<20130530080646.GA7117@panix.com>
	<CAF_ePBZ5mwe9AdeRXv8vdD-OnY1yrtJhRFCfVcom1T0+8OL5zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A78DB3.9020506@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CAF_ePBYyCnDYyeb7PYH2LvbrQSuP7nc=FWzArrHMmVrV0HY0pw@mail.gmail.com>

Direct signup should be fixed.  Thanks for the tip.

https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:

> On 05/30/2013 01:13 PM, John Haugeland wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>  On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 03:21:09AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>
>>>  and don't forget to signup on the crowdtilt site as that is who is
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's the link for that?
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.crowdtilt.com/**campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-**
>> alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-**for-a-double-header<https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header>
>>
>>
> that link has the signup bug that i and others ran into. karl arp posted a
> pure html signup page we should use to sign up and then we should be able
> to pay via crowdtilt. i will update the wiki with this info (unless someone
> beats me to it).
>
> https://www.crowdtilt.com/**signup <https://www.crowdtilt.com/signup>
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>



-- 
John Haugeland
Crowdtilt <http://crowdtilt.com/> is what I do
Connect with me on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JohnHaugeland>

Check out our recent press! <https://www.crowdtilt.com/learn/press>
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From jrockway at cpan.org  Thu May 30 14:41:36 2013
From: jrockway at cpan.org (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:41:36 -0400
Subject: Projectors
Message-ID: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested mostly
in the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  I need to
know so I can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the right adapter). It
only has a Mini DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if it works with VGA as I can
find no monitors that accept VGA input anymore :)
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From diakopter at gmail.com  Thu May 30 14:44:53 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:44:53 -0700
Subject: Projectors
In-Reply-To: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48175E0A-547A-498F-A373-E305961AF473@gmail.com>

It's VGA connector with XGA native resolution.  I have more apple adapters than I can fit in a suitcase; I'll bring a bunch of them.  Yes Mini DisplayPort is one of them. 

Sent from my beeper

On May 30, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jonathan Rockway <jrockway at cpan.org> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested mostly in the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  I need to know so I can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the right adapter). It only has a Mini DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if it works with VGA as I can find no monitors that accept VGA input anymore :)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From diakopter at gmail.com  Thu May 30 14:53:17 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:53:17 -0700
Subject: Projectors
In-Reply-To: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18A9E346-13C4-43C8-8291-3969CB91DEA1@gmail.com>

What I'm worried about is that you and nick patch (I think?) didn't get that thread on the speakers list... Strange. Todd said he didn't see errors. 

Sent from my beeper

On May 30, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jonathan Rockway <jrockway at cpan.org> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested mostly in the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  I need to know so I can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the right adapter). It only has a Mini DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if it works with VGA as I can find no monitors that accept VGA input anymore :)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Thu May 30 14:56:06 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:56:06 -0700
Subject: Projectors
In-Reply-To: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A7CAF6.6010402@darrenduncan.net>

On 2013.05.30 2:41 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested mostly in
> the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  I need to know so I
> can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the right adapter). It only has a Mini
> DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if it works with VGA as I can find no monitors
> that accept VGA input anymore :)

Funny you say that.  In my experience, VGA is the *only* input that projectors I 
encounter at venues have most of the time. -- Darren Duncan


From eric at cpanel.net  Thu May 30 14:58:55 2013
From: eric at cpanel.net (Eric)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:58:55 -0500
Subject: Invite to the YAPC 2013 After Party 
Message-ID: <87392760-B709-4946-B17E-E0A6FCD7F193@cpanel.net>

Howdy,

I would like to take a moment to invite YAPC:NA attendees and their guests to:

cPanel Presents: It's Time for Recess
YAPC 2013 After Party

Featuring the Spazmatics (http://thespazmatics.net/)

Monday, June 3, 2013 @ 9pm
Recess Arcade Bar (http://www.recessarcadebar.com/)
222 East 6th Street
Austin, TX 78701
http://goo.gl/maps/9quDD

Thanks!

--Eric

http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4C4D013528E47CE6

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From mfcovington at gmail.com  Thu May 30 15:01:05 2013
From: mfcovington at gmail.com (Mike Covington)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:01:05 -0700
Subject: Projectors
In-Reply-To: <18A9E346-13C4-43C8-8291-3969CB91DEA1@gmail.com>
References: <CAMpOfp7t6g6GTbGpijWpE=vdSkYqoHnMFpHqCwBCA7sYWTqvNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<18A9E346-13C4-43C8-8291-3969CB91DEA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1889B4E8-1893-46C0-8D7C-8CE8698FA70D@gmail.com>

There's a speakers mailing list?

On May 30, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I'm worried about is that you and nick patch (I think?) didn't get that thread on the speakers list... Strange. Todd said he didn't see errors. 
> 
> Sent from my beeper
> 
> On May 30, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jonathan Rockway <jrockway at cpan.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested mostly in the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  I need to know so I can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the right adapter). It only has a Mini DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if it works with VGA as I can find no monitors that accept VGA input anymore :)
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> yapc mailing list
>> yapc at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 15:20:36 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 18:20:36 -0400
Subject: perl jobs bof location
Message-ID: <51A7D0B4.1010407@stemsystems.com>

hi all,

i see 15 names on the perl jobs bof page which is great! we will be 
meeting at the under the oaks cafe in the TCC for monday lunch. i spoke 
to cafe managers and i should be able to move some tables and chairs 
around to accomodate us. yapc is pretty much all the cafe will be seeing 
this week. i hope to get the table/chair stuff done earlier but may have 
to do it just as lunch starts. any help with that and resetting 
afterwards is welcome.

remember, lunch is two hours on monday so we have plenty of time to 
cover more jobs stuff and stories.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs%20BOF

thanx,

uri


From reini.urban at gmail.com  Thu May 30 17:02:41 2013
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 19:02:41 -0500
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On May 29, 2013, at 11:25 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 02:52:26PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
>> 
>> Also, his bad movies are actually really good.  They're like movies that
>> someone was dared to make.  Give them a chance.  It's not like we're
>> talking about Hammer Films here.  :)  If you think Plan 9 from Outer Space
>> is the worst movie of all time, I recommend a good solid showing of Legend
>> of the Seven Golden Vampires, or other unrelated classics like Attack of
>> the Killer Tomatoes Part 3 and Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD.
> 
> I had an argument once with a friend who taught film about Ed Wood being
> an auteur. I claimed he was, as his films had a clear stylistic and
> thematic consistency. He claimed he wasn't because his films were awful.
> 

David,
We can have another argument in the same fashion if you want to.

I worked as professional film critic for more than 10 years and I am still going 
to the major festivals. 
Both of you are right.
Clear and consistent style and themes are okay, but this doesn't make you
a good filmmaker per se. 
To be a good filmmaker you need to make good films also :)
Or least certain parts of a film must be good enough. 
Story, working with the actors, technical, marketing, ...

The current cult worst director is btw. Tommy Viseau with "The Room". 
This is so bad that it is legendary already. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room_(film)
I believe he is german. With Uwe Boll this makes two.

Reini
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From rev.chip at gmail.com  Thu May 30 18:42:28 2013
From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 18:42:28 -0700
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
Message-ID: <CANSL5VGTZRiahHEi4BPXJS93=9vJ__-ucQjNmNWfP1RuTyJWeQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be at YAPC 2013.  Reports of my staying home were greatly exaggerated.
 (By me, but don't let that confuse you.)

I'm hoping for a design-a-thon aspect to the hackathon time.  *Not*
language design, mind.  High-level bikeshedding about sigils and regexes
must be left behind, or at least left for later.  The various
reimplementation projects in play aren't tied to those things.  The
questions at hand lay in *how* to implement things, with no handwaving
allowed, and looking at the consequences of those decisions.  I'm thinking
whiteboards, coffee, and determination.  With those, all kinds of neat
things might happen ... and they probably will.

I suppose I'll attend a talk or too as well, as long as I'm there.  :)
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From stevan.little at iinteractive.com  Thu May 30 18:48:50 2013
From: stevan.little at iinteractive.com (Stevan Little)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:48:50 -0400
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
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Chip++

I look forward to it!

- Stevan


On May 30, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Chip Salzenberg <rev.chip at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll be at YAPC 2013.  Reports of my staying home were greatly exaggerated.  (By me, but don't let that confuse you.)
> 
> I'm hoping for a design-a-thon aspect to the hackathon time.  *Not* language design, mind.  High-level bikeshedding about sigils and regexes must be left behind, or at least left for later.  The various reimplementation projects in play aren't tied to those things.  The questions at hand lay in *how* to implement things, with no handwaving allowed, and looking at the consequences of those decisions.  I'm thinking whiteboards, coffee, and determination.  With those, all kinds of neat things might happen ... and they probably will.
> 
> I suppose I'll attend a talk or too as well, as long as I'm there.  :)
> 
> 
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From reini.urban at gmail.com  Thu May 30 18:58:40 2013
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:58:40 -0500
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
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On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Chip Salzenberg <rev.chip at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll be at YAPC 2013.  Reports of my staying home were greatly exaggerated.  (By me, but don't let that confuse you.)
> 
> I'm hoping for a design-a-thon aspect to the hackathon time.  *Not* language design, mind.  High-level bikeshedding about sigils and regexes must be left behind, or at least left for later.  The various reimplementation projects in play aren't tied to those things.  The questions at hand lay in *how* to implement things, with no handwaving allowed, and looking at the consequences of those decisions.  I'm thinking whiteboards, coffee, and determination.  With those, all kinds of neat things might happen ... and they probably will.
> 
> I suppose I'll attend a talk or too as well, as long as I'm there.  :)
> 

What?
And I seriously thought of proposing making the scalar $ sigil optional. 
It looks bad and is only needed within strings. functions are scalars also, 
so treat them as such.
Bleach the beast. ruby had a point.

if (b) { a = 12 }
elsif (b) { a = 14 }
else { a = sub{ 1 } }
print a;

From rev.chip at gmail.com  Thu May 30 20:03:46 2013
From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:03:46 -0700
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Chip Salzenberg <rev.chip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll be at YAPC 2013.  Reports of my staying home were greatly
> exaggerated.  (By me, but don't let that confuse you.)
> >
> > I'm hoping for a design-a-thon aspect to the hackathon time.  *Not*
> language design, mind.  High-level bikeshedding about sigils and regexes
> must be left behind, or at least left for later.  The various
> reimplementation projects in play aren't tied to those things.  The
> questions at hand lay in *how* to implement things, with no handwaving
> allowed, and looking at the consequences of those decisions.  I'm thinking
> whiteboards, coffee, and determination.  With those, all kinds of neat
> things might happen ... and they probably will.
> >
> > I suppose I'll attend a talk or too as well, as long as I'm there.  :)
> >
>
> What?
> And I seriously thought of proposing making the scalar $ sigil optional.
> It looks bad and is only needed within strings. functions are scalars also,
> so treat them as such.
> Bleach the beast. ruby had a point.
>
> if (b) { a = 12 }
> elsif (b) { a = 14 }
> else { a = sub{ 1 } }
> print a;



A sigil-free mutation of Perl would be a good language, to be sure.
 Perhaps not really Perl, but still good.  :)  But as I'm sure you'll
agree, it's easy to mechanically translate between the two dialects, which
renders it fundamentally uninteresting to VM hackers.  And as such I hope
never to have to talk about it in Austin.

What I think we *do* want to talk about are the dimensions of VM
implementation:  The major issue that can't be avoided is semantics.  What
*are* the translation failure points moving among Perl 5, other Perl
dialects (present and proposed), various candidate VMs, and even other
dynamic languages?  Where do square pegs meet round holes, and can we round
the pegs, square the holes, or just get a bigger hammer?  What's fun *and*
useful?

For one example subject:

It sounds good to target Perl 5 on JavaScript until you realize that all of
"perldoc perlre" has to work.  Anyone planning to reimplement just PCRE in
JS, let alone the full Perl regex engine with (?{}) and (?{{}}) ?  Would
anyone want to *use* it?  Anyone?  Bueller?  Also, JS uses UCS-2, not even
UTF-16.  Planning to toss the whole swash database into that perl.js?  IMO,
proper Unicode support is impractical on JS.  And who wants to retrofit the
user code that assumes timely DESTROY when JS has no destructor calls?  Not
looking good to me.  Most of these issues are also bad enough in Java to
make it a hostile environment for Perl.  What have I missed?

Here's another:

I would prefer a Perl VM that doesn't use references (RVs) in the Perl 5
sense, but works more like every other dynamic language where there are no
separate values called "references" because all general-purpose values can
be used by reference[*], though with escapes for efficiency (unboxing).  A
Perl VM without RVs is a much better Perl VM: it's simpler, and it's a lot
more compatible with non-Perl data models.  It might even host Perl 6-ish
languages without huge pain.  AFAICT, the only place RVs are user-visible
and persistent and non-fakeable is in references to scalars, e.g. \$a and
\\$a, which can be special-cased.  Is my imagination good enough?  I think
XS compatibility can be kept as well.  It's not like we can afford to keep
revealing our real full API to XS code anyway.  That leads to hardening of
the implementation.  So XS will be a fakery level going forward.

Here's a third:

Working complex systems always evolve from earlier working systems.  So I
think the best C-family VM in the future of Perl is likely to be a stepwise
evolution from Camel perl.  Maybe the steps will be big!  But it's a matter
of steps.  In the end we may have changed both the handle and the head, but
it'll be the same axe.

Here's a fourth:

What parsing technologies are suitable for Perl?  Can we crib something
from Parrot land?  *Should* we?  Personally I'd love to parse Perl with a
Boost Spirit grammar, and I probably will, but extending it would be
somewhat more work than using a grammar itself build on the Perl VM's
dynamic nature ... though again, we must be sure not to slow down parsing
to the point it's not fun to use.  So, a C++ parser may have a limited
lifetime; but if that's the case, how did we get this far with perly.y?

So many interesting questions, so little time.

[*] sometimes the value references are faked, e.g. V8 Number, but that's
actually good; it shows that faked references can work.
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From dha at panix.com  Thu May 30 20:38:19 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 23:38:19 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 07:02:41PM -0500, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
> On May 29, 2013, at 11:25 PM, David H. Adler <dha at panix.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 02:52:26PM -0700, John Haugeland wrote:
> >> 
> >> Also, his bad movies are actually really good.  They're like movies that
> >> someone was dared to make.  Give them a chance.  It's not like we're
> >> talking about Hammer Films here.  :)  If you think Plan 9 from Outer Space
> >> is the worst movie of all time, I recommend a good solid showing of Legend
> >> of the Seven Golden Vampires, or other unrelated classics like Attack of
> >> the Killer Tomatoes Part 3 and Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD.
> > 
> > I had an argument once with a friend who taught film about Ed Wood being
> > an auteur. I claimed he was, as his films had a clear stylistic and
> > thematic consistency. He claimed he wasn't because his films were awful.
> > 
> 
> David,
> We can have another argument in the same fashion if you want to.
> 
> I worked as professional film critic for more than 10 years and I am still going 
> to the major festivals. 
> Both of you are right.
> Clear and consistent style and themes are okay, but this doesn't make you
> a good filmmaker per se. 
> To be a good filmmaker you need to make good films also :)
> Or least certain parts of a film must be good enough. 
> Story, working with the actors, technical, marketing, ...

Ah, but I never claimed he was a good filmmaker. I just claimed he fit
the auteur theory. I think my friend was claiming that one could not be
an auteurist filmmaker if he/she didn't make good films. I disagreed.

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Please stop flirting with my canvas.    - Damian Conway

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Thu May 30 20:48:31 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:48:31 -0700
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
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On 2013.05.30 8:03 PM, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
>     What?
>     And I seriously thought of proposing making the scalar $ sigil optional.
>     It looks bad and is only needed within strings. functions are scalars also,
>     so treat them as such.
>     Bleach the beast. ruby had a point.
>
>     if (b) { a = 12 }
>     elsif (b) { a = 14 }
>     else { a = sub{ 1 } }
>     print a;
>
> A sigil-free mutation of Perl would be a good language, to be sure.  Perhaps not
> really Perl, but still good.  :)  But as I'm sure you'll agree, it's easy to
> mechanically translate between the two dialects, which renders it fundamentally
> uninteresting to VM hackers.  And as such I hope never to have to talk about it
> in Austin.

I think if you were going to make a Perl-like language that is sigil-free, where 
sigils aren't used to indicate that what it appears with is the name of some 
entity in contrast to a keyword or literal, I agree.  My preference instead is 
to let bare symbolic characters generally be parsed as operators, so for example 
a "$foo" means "$" is a unary operator whose argument is "foo", like how "-foo" 
is treated (or its an infix depending on context, again like "-"), and likewise 
for % and @ etc.  In the same context I'd prefer # to be freed up from being a 
comment marker and useable as an operator like other symbols, so for example one 
can declare unary "#" so eg "#ary" returns the count of elements in "ary".  I 
like "/* */" for comments as one is unlikely to want an operator like that while 
I can see a lot of desire for "#" as an operator.  So this wouldn't necessarily 
be Perl anymore, but I do that in my Perl-alike language. -- Darren Duncan


From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 20:48:45 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 23:48:45 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On 05/30/2013 11:38 PM, David H. Adler wrote:

>
> Ah, but I never claimed he was a good filmmaker. I just claimed he fit
> the auteur theory. I think my friend was claiming that one could not be
> an auteurist filmmaker if he/she didn't make good films. I disagreed.

i agree with you dha. the auteur theory as i know it was to say who is 
the person most behind the film. in many cases it is the director and 
those great directors whose films you know justify it. a hitchcock, 
woody allen or spielberg film is usually easy to identify. they are the 
auteur of their films. ed wood is an auteur by that rule. he is a BAD 
auteur but his films are unmistakenly his films!

now films are a very collaborative enterprise and the director isn't the 
only one with major influence on the final product. they are in many 
case the most influential as they tell the other creatives and crafts 
people what they want and give feedback when they don't get it. few 
directors (good or bad) cast such a large shadow that you know it is 
their work by just watching it.

uri



From rev.chip at gmail.com  Thu May 30 20:58:51 2013
From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:58:51 -0700
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net>wrote:

> On 2013.05.30 8:03 PM, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>     What?
>>     And I seriously thought of proposing making the scalar $ sigil
>> optional.
>>     It looks bad and is only needed within strings. functions are scalars
>> also,
>>     so treat them as such.
>>     Bleach the beast. ruby had a point.
>>
>>     if (b) { a = 12 }
>>     elsif (b) { a = 14 }
>>     else { a = sub{ 1 } }
>>     print a;
>>
>> A sigil-free mutation of Perl would be a good language, to be sure.
>>  Perhaps not
>> really Perl, but still good.  :)  But as I'm sure you'll agree, it's easy
>> to
>> mechanically translate between the two dialects, which renders it
>> fundamentally
>> uninteresting to VM hackers.  And as such I hope never to have to talk
>> about it
>> in Austin.
>>
>
> I think if you were going to make a Perl-like language that is sigil-free,
> where sigils aren't used to indicate that what it appears with is the name
> of some entity in contrast to a keyword or literal, I agree.  [...]


I'm not in Austin yet, so I'll let this go.  :)
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From mandrews at bit0.com  Thu May 30 21:32:08 2013
From: mandrews at bit0.com (Mike Andrews)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 00:32:08 -0400
Subject: dha is the catalog!
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On 5/30/13 8:02 PM, Reini Urban wrote:

> The current cult worst director is btw. Tommy Viseau with "The Room".
> This is so bad that it is legendary already. 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room_(film) 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room_%28film%29>
> I believe he is german. With Uwe Boll this makes two.

The Room is pretty horrible, but I'd give James Nguyen honorable mention 
for Birdemic (and he's got a sequel in the works)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdemic:_Shock_and_Terror
http://www.rifftrax.com/vod/rifftrax-live-birdemic
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Thu May 30 22:26:22 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:26:22 -0400
Subject: double feature signups - $15
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hi to all yapc cinephiles,

we have hit 26 paid signups for the monday night double feature. some 
don't even care what will be playing. they know they will have fun with 
heckling, irc and creative mayhem. plus we will actually be showing a 
pair of top notch films (if i have my way! :). my current choices are 
the president's analyst and NxNW. there have been really no nays to 
those and a couple of yeahs. we will have to slam the gavel at some 
point. maybe that night we can decide but i am exerting whatever 
influence that can be mustard (sic).

we have the alamo drafthouse room from 9pm-1am. NxNW is 136 minutes, 
president's analyst is 103 minutes. that is 239 minutes which is just 
the time we have! :)

so sign up via crowdtilt.com to reserve your seat. there is a max of 72 
and when word gets out monday (what are you doing tonight? duh, i dunno! 
how about the yapc double feature at a classic theater pub? duh, sure, 
let's go!) it may sell out.

there will be a way to walk-in and pay with cash or a card up until 
about 10pm. this will be handled by the crowd tilt gang and alamo people.

remember crowd tilt is sponsoring this which means that the evening's 
costs are subsidized by them. you get admission and a drink ticket for 
just $15. then food and drink (heckling when sober is not permitted) is 
on your tab.

the wiki page has all the info and links you need:

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SocialEvents

thanx,

uri


From barefootcoder at gmail.com  Fri May 31 01:06:15 2013
From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:06:15 -0700
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL0mxoTbSxMucne_f3cW_ocFzk1j9nKARj_TBDbNLnsSQe=CCw@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

> Other than the Arrival Dinner, are non-attendees coming to Austin with an
attendee welcome at any of the events?

Glad someone brought this up. :-)

My son will be coming along, mainly just to see Austin.  I doubt he will be
interested in seeing any of the talks, but he may want to tag along with
me, and I assume he'll want to come to the talk I'm giving just to see how
it goes for me (and possibly to heckle me if given half a chance).  I know
people have brought spouses and/or children before, but I've never inquired
how that works.  What's the policy for non-attendees in the conference
itself?


            -- Buddy
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From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri May 31 03:48:22 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 05:48:22 -0500
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
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On May 30, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Chip Salzenberg <rev.chip at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net> wrote:
> On 2013.05.30 8:03 PM, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
>     What?
>     And I seriously thought of proposing making the scalar $ sigil optional.
>     It looks bad and is only needed within strings. functions are scalars also,
>     so treat them as such.
>     Bleach the beast. ruby had a point.
> 
>     if (b) { a = 12 }
>     elsif (b) { a = 14 }
>     else { a = sub{ 1 } }
>     print a;
> 
> A sigil-free mutation of Perl would be a good language, to be sure.  Perhaps not
> really Perl, but still good.  :)  But as I'm sure you'll agree, it's easy to
> mechanically translate between the two dialects, which renders it fundamentally
> uninteresting to VM hackers.  And as such I hope never to have to talk about it
> in Austin.
> 
> I think if you were going to make a Perl-like language that is sigil-free, where sigils aren't used to indicate that what it appears with is the name of some entity in contrast to a keyword or literal, I agree.  [...]
> 
> I'm not in Austin yet, so I'll let this go.  :) 

I can't let it go. Reini, instead of p2, I recommend you look into this hot, new upcoming language, which may already meet your needs. It's called C. It's all the rage now that B is dead. :P

Todd

From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri May 31 04:01:19 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 06:01:19 -0500
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
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On May 31, 2013, at 3:06 AM, Buddy Burden <barefootcoder at gmail.com> wrote:

> My son will be coming along, mainly just to see Austin.  I doubt he will be interested in seeing any of the talks, but he may want to tag along with me, and I assume he'll want to come to the talk I'm giving just to see how it goes for me (and possibly to heckle me if given half a chance).  I know people have brought spouses and/or children before, but I've never inquired how that works.  What's the policy for non-attendees in the conference itself?

Buddy, 

Paying for your badge is about contributing to the cost of the space, the wifi, etc needed to run the conference so the conference can bring the value to you. If your son is just coming along to see your talk, I don't really see that he's getting any conference value per-se, so no, I don't see that he would need to pay for a badge.

Todd


From admin at yapcna.org  Fri May 31 05:16:08 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 07:16:08 -0500
Subject: Hula Hut Is Sold out (mostly)
Message-ID: <CALC=KU+sBed_AktsxbpB+eqbMzFXYiaAyywx9h8xrE2ws7YfEw@mail.gmail.com>

http://blog.yapcna.org/post/51798773514/hula-hut-is-sold-out-mostly

We currently have 103 people paid to attend the arrival dinner Sunday at
Hula Hut. We have reserved and paid for 100. Technically They can seat 120
and we?ve left registration open to allow this. However, we need to notify
them of the additional attendees prior to Sunday. Registration is now
closed.

If you would still like to attend, please email admin at yapcna.org by the end
of the day and we will get you added to the list if space allows.

Thanks,

YAPC::NA Admin.
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From waltman at pobox.com  Fri May 31 08:47:11 2013
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:47:11 -0400
Subject: Projectors
In-Reply-To: <51A7CAF6.6010402@darrenduncan.net>
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 02:56:06PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote:
> On 2013.05.30 2:41 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested mostly in
> >the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  I need to know so I
> >can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the right adapter). It only has a Mini
> >DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if it works with VGA as I can find no monitors
> >that accept VGA input anymore :)
> 
> Funny you say that.  In my experience, VGA is the *only* input that
> projectors I encounter at venues have most of the time. -- Darren
> Duncan

Me too, but I think what Jonathan was trying to do was test things by
pretending an external monitor is a projector. I actually did manage
to find a new monitor with a VGA jack a few months ago, which was
good since my ancient linux desktop only has VGA out. :)

Walt

From bmullins at qsii.com  Fri May 31 08:50:09 2013
From: bmullins at qsii.com (Mullins, Brandon)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:50:09 +0000
Subject: REMOVE
Message-ID: <6A984DD875945F4CB50E2642CB83C307937952@qsi-ms-06>




Thanks,


Brandon Mullins
Sr. Talent Acquisition Specialist
bmullins at qsii.com
18111 Von Karman Ave | Suite 700 | Irvine, CA | 92612
Phone:?? 972.442.5049??? ??Fax:?949.769-5805 



-----Original Message-----
From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+bmullins=qsii.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Walt Mankowski
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:47 AM
To: yapc at pm.org
Subject: Re: Projectors

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 02:56:06PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote:
> On 2013.05.30 2:41 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >I'm wondering what sort of projectors are available.  I'm interested 
> >mostly in the attachment mechanism.  VGA?  DVI?  HDMI?  DisplayPort?  
> >I need to know so I can test my laptop beforehand (and bring the 
> >right adapter). It only has a Mini DisplayPort, and I'm not sure if 
> >it works with VGA as I can find no monitors that accept VGA input 
> >anymore :)
> 
> Funny you say that.  In my experience, VGA is the *only* input that 
> projectors I encounter at venues have most of the time. -- Darren 
> Duncan

Me too, but I think what Jonathan was trying to do was test things by pretending an external monitor is a projector. I actually did manage to find a new monitor with a VGA jack a few months ago, which was good since my ancient linux desktop only has VGA out. :)

Walt

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From tadeusz.sosnierz at onet.pl  Fri May 31 08:57:00 2013
From: tadeusz.sosnierz at onet.pl (=?UTF-8?B?VGFkZXVzeiBTb8Wbbmllcno=?=)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:57:00 +0200
Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID: <51A8C84C.7040001@onet.pl>

unsubscribe

From timothylord at gmail.com  Fri May 31 09:09:03 2013
From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:09:03 -0500
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <53C666C2-F2F6-4D97-B13C-9F5F8E3FBA8F@cpanel.net>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
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	<53C666C2-F2F6-4D97-B13C-9F5F8E3FBA8F@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <CAKGwF=YU=JktK-XkzoL9tWJrb4+gq+2jcNBqca0E_Yp7uZy6sg@mail.gmail.com>

BTW, for conference participants and non-participants alike, I have created
a small guide of some things in Austin that you might find useful at least
as a jumping off point; suggestions to add to it are always welcome.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y_kTBH39aWzjJCCBXiKD3gKivzY8A3rRqYoehtRQ6M0/edit?usp=sharing

Tim


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:

>
> On May 31, 2013, at 3:06 AM, Buddy Burden <barefootcoder at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My son will be coming along, mainly just to see Austin.  I doubt he will
> be interested in seeing any of the talks, but he may want to tag along with
> me, and I assume he'll want to come to the talk I'm giving just to see how
> it goes for me (and possibly to heckle me if given half a chance).  I know
> people have brought spouses and/or children before, but I've never inquired
> how that works.  What's the policy for non-attendees in the conference
> itself?
>
> Buddy,
>
> Paying for your badge is about contributing to the cost of the space, the
> wifi, etc needed to run the conference so the conference can bring the
> value to you. If your son is just coming along to see your talk, I don't
> really see that he's getting any conference value per-se, so no, I don't
> see that he would need to pay for a badge.
>
> Todd
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>



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From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri May 31 09:18:28 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:18:28 -0500
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAKGwF=YU=JktK-XkzoL9tWJrb4+gq+2jcNBqca0E_Yp7uZy6sg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Tim. Could we add this to the YAPC wiki?

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ThingsToDo

On May 31, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Tim Lord <timothylord at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, for conference participants and non-participants alike, I have created a small guide of some things in Austin that you might find useful at least as a jumping off point; suggestions to add to it are always welcome. 
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y_kTBH39aWzjJCCBXiKD3gKivzY8A3rRqYoehtRQ6M0/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
> 
> On May 31, 2013, at 3:06 AM, Buddy Burden <barefootcoder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > My son will be coming along, mainly just to see Austin.  I doubt he will be interested in seeing any of the talks, but he may want to tag along with me, and I assume he'll want to come to the talk I'm giving just to see how it goes for me (and possibly to heckle me if given half a chance).  I know people have brought spouses and/or children before, but I've never inquired how that works.  What's the policy for non-attendees in the conference itself?
> 
> Buddy,
> 
> Paying for your badge is about contributing to the cost of the space, the wifi, etc needed to run the conference so the conference can bring the value to you. If your son is just coming along to see your talk, I don't really see that he's getting any conference value per-se, so no, I don't see that he would need to pay for a badge.
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>                   >>>> edges are interesting <<<<


From barefootcoder at gmail.com  Fri May 31 10:05:59 2013
From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:05:59 -0700
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <53C666C2-F2F6-4D97-B13C-9F5F8E3FBA8F@cpanel.net>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
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Todd,

> Paying for your badge is about contributing to the cost of the space, the
wifi, etc needed to run the conference so the conference can bring the
value to you. If your son is just coming along to see your talk, I don't
really see that he's getting any conference value per-se, so no, I don't
see that he would need to pay for a badge.

I certainly have no problem paying for a badge for him, whether full-price
or some lesser amount.  I just don't want him to get in trouble if he
happens to need to go somewhere without me and doesn't have any
identification. :-)


            -- Buddy
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From jonathan at leto.net  Fri May 31 10:44:22 2013
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:44:22 -0700
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
In-Reply-To: <4821B2C8-75BE-40F1-B846-E44804FCCADA@cpanel.net>
References: <CANSL5VGTZRiahHEi4BPXJS93=9vJ__-ucQjNmNWfP1RuTyJWeQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Howdy,

All of this trolling will be much more fun in person, with beverages.

I hope y'all are ready.

Duke

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:48 AM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Chip Salzenberg <rev.chip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net> wrote:
>> On 2013.05.30 8:03 PM, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     What?
>>     And I seriously thought of proposing making the scalar $ sigil optional.
>>     It looks bad and is only needed within strings. functions are scalars also,
>>     so treat them as such.
>>     Bleach the beast. ruby had a point.
>>
>>     if (b) { a = 12 }
>>     elsif (b) { a = 14 }
>>     else { a = sub{ 1 } }
>>     print a;
>>
>> A sigil-free mutation of Perl would be a good language, to be sure.  Perhaps not
>> really Perl, but still good.  :)  But as I'm sure you'll agree, it's easy to
>> mechanically translate between the two dialects, which renders it fundamentally
>> uninteresting to VM hackers.  And as such I hope never to have to talk about it
>> in Austin.
>>
>> I think if you were going to make a Perl-like language that is sigil-free, where sigils aren't used to indicate that what it appears with is the name of some entity in contrast to a keyword or literal, I agree.  [...]
>>
>> I'm not in Austin yet, so I'll let this go.  :)
>
> I can't let it go. Reini, instead of p2, I recommend you look into this hot, new upcoming language, which may already meet your needs. It's called C. It's all the rage now that B is dead. :P
>
> Todd
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
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Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com
209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net
@dukeleto

From gizmomathboy at gmail.com  Fri May 31 11:03:03 2013
From: gizmomathboy at gmail.com (gizmo mathboy)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:03:03 -0400
Subject: I'm going to YAPC
In-Reply-To: <CABQG1aSuEsm70sLxvH429oxfiUGiN_PQ+C3EJJw05Z3xdBEOnQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51A8E5D7.3050505@gmail.com>

On 05/31/2013 01:44 PM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> All of this trolling will be much more fun in person, with beverages.
> 
> I hope y'all are ready.
> 


I might actually pay to see a livestreaming of this event since I won't
be going to YAPC::NA this year.

gizmo


From adam at oktud.com  Fri May 31 11:25:47 2013
From: adam at oktud.com (Adam M Dutko)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:25:47 -0400
Subject: Hula Hut Ride
In-Reply-To: <51A8E5D7.3050505@gmail.com>
References: <CANSL5VGTZRiahHEi4BPXJS93=9vJ__-ucQjNmNWfP1RuTyJWeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1825C144-415A-46A9-985E-CF442F4D42C9@gmail.com>
	<CANSL5VHAkZyO=Bj_Ya=8kkbvUamZPv+0UJKhdh5CMw-7_NDE2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A81D8F.1050407@darrenduncan.net>
	<CANSL5VFhJKr6m35-jCezHB_YYqwpVMc+A7bqgxLLAPvnQpDjEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821B2C8-75BE-40F1-B846-E44804FCCADA@cpanel.net>
	<CABQG1aSuEsm70sLxvH429oxfiUGiN_PQ+C3EJJw05Z3xdBEOnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A8E5D7.3050505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d90e70b50ba051fefb80bcb42179a5ee@mail.oktud.com>

I have a two more seats available for people to hitch a ride to the 
Hula Hut Sunday night. Please reply if you need a lift so we can 
coordinate pickup/drop-off.

-- 
Enjoy Life!

-Adam

From sbingham at qsii.com  Fri May 31 11:28:30 2013
From: sbingham at qsii.com (Bingham, Sally)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:28:30 +0000
Subject: Could you remove my email address?
Message-ID: <B90120C89D3EA34A9914ECC4AB169AA20B4347B4@qsi-ms-06>

Good afternoon ~

I was added to the email strings because I did sign up for the function next week, but I'm bombarded with email - and adding these to the list is not quite what I had in mind.     I have sent four different 'unsubscribe' emails, with confirmations, but I am continuing to get emails as though I had not unsubscribed.

Can you help?

Thanks!

Sally


Sally Bingham
Supervisor, Talent Services - Taleo Administrator
sbingham at qsii.com<mailto:sbingham at qsii.com>
18111 Von Karman Ave | Suite 700 | Irvine, CA | 92612
Phone:   972.429.5725      Fax: 949.769-5805
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From sgorobet at gmail.com  Fri May 31 11:33:20 2013
From: sgorobet at gmail.com (S Gorobet)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:33:20 -0400
Subject: Hula Hut Ride
In-Reply-To: <d90e70b50ba051fefb80bcb42179a5ee@mail.oktud.com>
References: <CANSL5VGTZRiahHEi4BPXJS93=9vJ__-ucQjNmNWfP1RuTyJWeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1825C144-415A-46A9-985E-CF442F4D42C9@gmail.com>
	<CANSL5VHAkZyO=Bj_Ya=8kkbvUamZPv+0UJKhdh5CMw-7_NDE2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A81D8F.1050407@darrenduncan.net>
	<CANSL5VFhJKr6m35-jCezHB_YYqwpVMc+A7bqgxLLAPvnQpDjEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821B2C8-75BE-40F1-B846-E44804FCCADA@cpanel.net>
	<CABQG1aSuEsm70sLxvH429oxfiUGiN_PQ+C3EJJw05Z3xdBEOnQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABndyL0288gc6jVgzyDk4+WL5c5n8bKhjc3OsC11Qvd5qiHAhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Adam,

If seats are still available I would like to take one. I'm going to be
staying near the conference.

Serghei

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Adam M Dutko <adam at oktud.com> wrote:
> I have a two more seats available for people to hitch a ride to the Hula Hut
> Sunday night. Please reply if you need a lift so we can coordinate
> pickup/drop-off.
>
> --
> Enjoy Life!
>
> -Adam
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc



-- 
????? ???? ??????
Omne nimium nocet

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Fri May 31 11:41:17 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:41:17 -0700
Subject: Could you remove my email address?
In-Reply-To: <B90120C89D3EA34A9914ECC4AB169AA20B4347B4@qsi-ms-06>
References: <B90120C89D3EA34A9914ECC4AB169AA20B4347B4@qsi-ms-06>
Message-ID: <51A8EECD.2000706@darrenduncan.net>

Did your send your unsubscribe emails from the exact same email address that the 
list is sending its messages to?  That detail matters. -- Darren Duncan

On 2013.05.31 11:28 AM, Bingham, Sally wrote:
> Good afternoon ~
>
> I was added to the email strings because I did sign up for the function next
> week, but I?m bombarded with email ? and adding these to the list is not quite
> what I had in mind.     I have sent four different ?unsubscribe? emails, with
> confirmations, but I am continuing to get emails as though I had not unsubscribed.
>
> Can you help?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sally
>
> **
>
> *Sally Bingham*
>
> *Supervisor, Talent Services ? Taleo Administrator*
>
> _sbingham at qsii.com <mailto:sbingham at qsii.com>_
>
> 18111 Von Karman Ave | Suite 700 | Irvine, CA | 92612
>
> Phone: 972.429.5725 Fax:949.769-5805
>
> Description: QSI-NGH_Logo_COLOR


From diakopter at gmail.com  Fri May 31 12:29:15 2013
From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:29:15 -0700
Subject: Moar announcement
Message-ID: <CAH0_hGGdpMWs7=ZNHVGZuUY-hiprf0aKyc-Ra4raDKUPViFOAQ@mail.gmail.com>

reveal of virtual machine project: MoarVM

Please take a minute to read Carl's exposition of this event:

http://strangelyconsistent.org/blog/a-vm-for-6model

And the original announcement:

http://6guts.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/moarvm-a-virtual-machine-for-nqp-and-rakudo/

TONS more details at yapc austin.


Thanks,
Matthew Wilson

From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 31 12:29:33 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:29:33 -0400
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAL0mxoSx-dm+r9mHopGUiO7us+e=EhMAWk33OCPjaVoBUZNDHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL0mxoTbSxMucne_f3cW_ocFzk1j9nKARj_TBDbNLnsSQe=CCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53C666C2-F2F6-4D97-B13C-9F5F8E3FBA8F@cpanel.net>
	<CAL0mxoSx-dm+r9mHopGUiO7us+e=EhMAWk33OCPjaVoBUZNDHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A8FA1D.5090102@stemsystems.com>

On 05/31/2013 01:05 PM, Buddy Burden wrote:
> Todd,
>
>> Paying for your badge is about contributing to the cost of the space, the
> wifi, etc needed to run the conference so the conference can bring the
> value to you. If your son is just coming along to see your talk, I don't
> really see that he's getting any conference value per-se, so no, I don't
> see that he would need to pay for a badge.
>
> I certainly have no problem paying for a badge for him, whether full-price
> or some lesser amount.  I just don't want him to get in trouble if he
> happens to need to go somewhere without me and doesn't have any
> identification. :-)

if he is caught without a badge, we will lock him up and chain him in 
python classroom. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!

uri



From mark.lehmann at gmail.com  Fri May 31 13:41:26 2013
From: mark.lehmann at gmail.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:41:26 -0500
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C6B@mako.adc.local>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>
	<1A8492DC-738C-4FEC-9A75-B49CA67DF479@cpanel.net>
	<2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C44@mako.adc.local>
	<2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C6B@mako.adc.local>
Message-ID: <CAC7UDRzY3uRqeTadMktmwvUzCR5517JbfXYNgc4fbBx0Z7j__w@mail.gmail.com>

I find that an empty room is far colder then a populated room.  When I
speak or teach, I usually avoid the temptation to raise the
room temperature because by the time everyone gathers, the room will be
several degrees warmer.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Greg Meece <GMeece at algebraixdata.com>wrote:

> BTW, my first sentence should have read:
>
> ... and *I* tend to be warm natured (in body at least!).
>
> Here's a nifty page that shows both current temps/radar as well as average
> humidity for the area:
>
> http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;ws=29672;t0=1/1;t1=12/31;graphs=humidity:1
>
> - Greg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+gmeece=algebraixdata.com at pm.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Meece
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:09 AM
> To: yapc at pm.org
> Subject: RE: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
>
> Low-to-mid 70's (21 C) is typical for most offices here, but some err on
> the side of "too cool" IMO, and tend to be warm natured (in body at least!).
>
> Humidity in Austin generally isn't terrible (nothing like Houston), but if
> you're from the Left Coast as I am originally, then any humidity above 40%
> may seem like a lot. Typically, the humidity this time of year will be
> between 45% to as high as 85% (yikes!). When thunderstorms roll through,
> you'll definitely notice the humidity then.
>
> The advice I've seen repeated here sounds good - bring something light to
> put on should you be in an overly-cold room. I have a team mate that always
> has a sweatshirt or pull-over at the office even when it's in the 90's (32
> C) outside.
>
> For those visiting Austin for the first time, I really hope your visit is
> a pleasant one. Austin is my adopted home of 15 years now, and I love it.
>
> Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead Algebraix Data Corporation
> 9601 Amberglen Blvd, Suite G-119
> Austin, TX 78729
> www.algebraixdata.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
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> yapc at pm.org
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>



-- 
Mark Lehmann
512 689-7705 M
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From faelin.landy at gmail.com  Fri May 31 17:31:53 2013
From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:53 -0400
Subject: Hula Hut Ride
In-Reply-To: <CABndyL0288gc6jVgzyDk4+WL5c5n8bKhjc3OsC11Qvd5qiHAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANSL5VGTZRiahHEi4BPXJS93=9vJ__-ucQjNmNWfP1RuTyJWeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1825C144-415A-46A9-985E-CF442F4D42C9@gmail.com>
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	<d90e70b50ba051fefb80bcb42179a5ee@mail.oktud.com>
	<CABndyL0288gc6jVgzyDk4+WL5c5n8bKhjc3OsC11Qvd5qiHAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALciv9HXcFJYQOxOtGUAdEZovZDvMi1YNwsc07L9-mY6opwVOA@mail.gmail.com>

To anyone who extra seats available,

I need to grab a ride for myself and one other, from the Double Tree over
to the Hula hut.

Anybody got room?

Thanks,
Faelin


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:33 PM, S Gorobet <sgorobet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Adam,
>
> If seats are still available I would like to take one. I'm going to be
> staying near the conference.
>
> Serghei
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Adam M Dutko <adam at oktud.com> wrote:
> > I have a two more seats available for people to hitch a ride to the Hula
> Hut
> > Sunday night. Please reply if you need a lift so we can coordinate
> > pickup/drop-off.
> >
> > --
> > Enjoy Life!
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
>
> --
> ????? ???? ??????
> Omne nimium nocet
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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From cornetts at wcoil.com  Fri May 31 17:50:00 2013
From: cornetts at wcoil.com (Steven Cornett)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:50:00 -0400
Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID: <4FA7B162-26E6-422B-9827-5AA95ADAC566@wcoil.com>

unsubscribe

Thanks.

Steven Cornett
cornetts at wcoil.com

"We've had enough of exhortations to be silent!  Cry out with a  
hundred thousand tongues.  I see that the world is rotten because of  
silence." - St. Catherine of Siena


From bulk88 at hotmail.com  Fri May 31 18:25:39 2013
From: bulk88 at hotmail.com (bulk 88)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:25:39 -0400
Subject: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
In-Reply-To: <CAC7UDRzY3uRqeTadMktmwvUzCR5517JbfXYNgc4fbBx0Z7j__w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP353A9740708E3C6376404EBDF910@phx.gbl>,
	<1A8492DC-738C-4FEC-9A75-B49CA67DF479@cpanel.net>,
	<2B1D442C454E4043A080FC457B054EF5702F4C44@mako.adc.local>,
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Message-ID: <COL126-W16C2C0678FD74C60303AFCDF930@phx.gbl>

Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:41:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
From: mark.lehmann at gmail.com
To: GMeece at algebraixdata.com
CC: yapc at pm.org

I find that an empty room is far colder then a populated room. ?When I speak or teach, I usually avoid the temptation to raise the room?temperature?because by the time everyone gathers, the room will be several degrees warmer.



I use 100 watts per person. 15 people = 1 american space heater regular outlet set to high. 		 	   		  

From barefootcoder at gmail.com  Fri May 31 18:31:03 2013
From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:31:03 -0700
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <51A8FA1D.5090102@stemsystems.com>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL0mxoTbSxMucne_f3cW_ocFzk1j9nKARj_TBDbNLnsSQe=CCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53C666C2-F2F6-4D97-B13C-9F5F8E3FBA8F@cpanel.net>
	<CAL0mxoSx-dm+r9mHopGUiO7us+e=EhMAWk33OCPjaVoBUZNDHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A8FA1D.5090102@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <CAL0mxoS3YFk6mWzPP1Si94Le_Xnojin5HTFuYmEs+5RrkM_AZw@mail.gmail.com>

Uri,

> if he is caught without a badge, we will lock him up and chain him in
python classroom. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!

That seems a bit harsh, for a first offense.  Isn't there a BASIC classroom
we could chain him in until he learns better? ;->


            -- Buddy
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From pete.clark at gmail.com  Fri May 31 19:14:08 2013
From: pete.clark at gmail.com (Pete Clark)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 19:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAL0mxoS3YFk6mWzPP1Si94Le_Xnojin5HTFuYmEs+5RrkM_AZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL0mxoS3YFk6mWzPP1Si94Le_Xnojin5HTFuYmEs+5RrkM_AZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1370052847765.bcc72ec@Nodemailer>

It's all fun and games until someone gets PHP'd...
-- 
petec

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Buddy Burden <barefootcoder at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Uri,
>> if he is caught without a badge, we will lock him up and chain him in
> python classroom. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!
> That seems a bit harsh, for a first offense.  Isn't there a BASIC classroom
> we could chain him in until he learns better? ;->
>             -- Buddy
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Fri May 31 19:16:16 2013
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:16:16 -0400
Subject: Participation of non-attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAL0mxoS3YFk6mWzPP1Si94Le_Xnojin5HTFuYmEs+5RrkM_AZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdADGAXd1UvOegHJQED88hcn=dXGiKX1R1Eju_F3LbqSjJF2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL0mxoTbSxMucne_f3cW_ocFzk1j9nKARj_TBDbNLnsSQe=CCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53C666C2-F2F6-4D97-B13C-9F5F8E3FBA8F@cpanel.net>
	<CAL0mxoSx-dm+r9mHopGUiO7us+e=EhMAWk33OCPjaVoBUZNDHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A8FA1D.5090102@stemsystems.com>
	<CAL0mxoS3YFk6mWzPP1Si94Le_Xnojin5HTFuYmEs+5RrkM_AZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A95970.20009@stemsystems.com>

On 05/31/2013 09:31 PM, Buddy Burden wrote:
> Uri,
>
>> if he is caught without a badge, we will lock him up and chain him in
> python classroom. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!
>
> That seems a bit harsh, for a first offense.  Isn't there a BASIC classroom
> we could chain him in until he learns better? ;->
>

that is for the advanced students only! haven't you been teaching him 
perl since his cradle days?

thanx,

uri



From hirani at pythian.com  Fri May 31 21:44:24 2013
From: hirani at pythian.com (Moez Hirani)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:44:24 -0400
Subject: yapc Digest, Vol 79, Issue 68
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29772.1370049944.22621.yapc@pm.org>
References: <mailman.29772.1370049944.22621.yapc@pm.org>
Message-ID: <CADQ9Xb2TArnGTLnfkVzfqdB8=KQYOX=+UjVCnV1iVMr=obNLOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

If someone has space in the car , I would like a ride to hula hut too ! I
will be taking the git course on Sunday and would like to leave from
Thompson Conference Center itself !


Many Thanks !
Moez.

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:25 PM, <yapc-request at pm.org> wrote:

> Send yapc mailing list submissions to
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>    3. Re: Austin AC avg thermostat settings? (Mark Lehmann)
>    4. Re: Hula Hut Ride (Faelin McCaley Landy)
>    5. unsubscribe (Steven Cornett)
>    6. RE: Austin AC avg thermostat settings? (bulk 88)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matthew Wilson <diakopter at gmail.com>
> To: yapc <yapc at pm.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:29:15 -0700
> Subject: Moar announcement
> reveal of virtual machine project: MoarVM
>
> Please take a minute to read Carl's exposition of this event:
>
> http://strangelyconsistent.org/blog/a-vm-for-6model
>
> And the original announcement:
>
>
> http://6guts.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/moarvm-a-virtual-machine-for-nqp-and-rakudo/
>
> TONS more details at yapc austin.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew Wilson
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com>
> To: yapc at pm.org
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:29:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: Participation of non-attendees
> On 05/31/2013 01:05 PM, Buddy Burden wrote:
>
>> Todd,
>>
>>  Paying for your badge is about contributing to the cost of the space, the
>>>
>> wifi, etc needed to run the conference so the conference can bring the
>> value to you. If your son is just coming along to see your talk, I don't
>> really see that he's getting any conference value per-se, so no, I don't
>> see that he would need to pay for a badge.
>>
>> I certainly have no problem paying for a badge for him, whether full-price
>> or some lesser amount.  I just don't want him to get in trouble if he
>> happens to need to go somewhere without me and doesn't have any
>> identification. :-)
>>
>
> if he is caught without a badge, we will lock him up and chain him in
> python classroom. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!
>
> uri
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mark Lehmann <mark.lehmann at gmail.com>
> To: Greg Meece <GMeece at algebraixdata.com>
> Cc: "yapc at pm.org" <yapc at pm.org>
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:41:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
> I find that an empty room is far colder then a populated room.  When I
> speak or teach, I usually avoid the temptation to raise the
> room temperature because by the time everyone gathers, the room will be
> several degrees warmer.
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Greg Meece <GMeece at algebraixdata.com>wrote:
>
>> BTW, my first sentence should have read:
>>
>> ... and *I* tend to be warm natured (in body at least!).
>>
>> Here's a nifty page that shows both current temps/radar as well as
>> average humidity for the area:
>>
>> http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;ws=29672;t0=1/1;t1=12/31;graphs=humidity:1
>>
>> - Greg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+gmeece=algebraixdata.com at pm.org] On
>> Behalf Of Greg Meece
>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:09 AM
>> To: yapc at pm.org
>> Subject: RE: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
>>
>> Low-to-mid 70's (21 C) is typical for most offices here, but some err on
>> the side of "too cool" IMO, and tend to be warm natured (in body at least!).
>>
>> Humidity in Austin generally isn't terrible (nothing like Houston), but
>> if you're from the Left Coast as I am originally, then any humidity above
>> 40% may seem like a lot. Typically, the humidity this time of year will be
>> between 45% to as high as 85% (yikes!). When thunderstorms roll through,
>> you'll definitely notice the humidity then.
>>
>> The advice I've seen repeated here sounds good - bring something light to
>> put on should you be in an overly-cold room. I have a team mate that always
>> has a sweatshirt or pull-over at the office even when it's in the 90's (32
>> C) outside.
>>
>> For those visiting Austin for the first time, I really hope your visit is
>> a pleasant one. Austin is my adopted home of 15 years now, and I love it.
>>
>> Greg Meece, Quality Assurance Engineering Lead Algebraix Data Corporation
>> 9601 Amberglen Blvd, Suite G-119
>> Austin, TX 78729
>> www.algebraixdata.com
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Mark Lehmann
> 512 689-7705 M
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Faelin McCaley Landy <faelin.landy at gmail.com>
> To: yapc at pm.org
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: Hula Hut Ride
> To anyone who extra seats available,
>
> I need to grab a ride for myself and one other, from the Double Tree over
> to the Hula hut.
>
> Anybody got room?
>
> Thanks,
> Faelin
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:33 PM, S Gorobet <sgorobet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> If seats are still available I would like to take one. I'm going to be
>> staying near the conference.
>>
>> Serghei
>>
>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Adam M Dutko <adam at oktud.com> wrote:
>> > I have a two more seats available for people to hitch a ride to the
>> Hula Hut
>> > Sunday night. Please reply if you need a lift so we can coordinate
>> > pickup/drop-off.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Enjoy Life!
>> >
>> > -Adam
>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steven Cornett <cornetts at wcoil.com>
> To: yapc at pm.org
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:50:00 -0400
> Subject: unsubscribe
> unsubscribe
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steven Cornett
> cornetts at wcoil.com
>
> "We've had enough of exhortations to be silent!  Cry out with a hundred
> thousand tongues.  I see that the world is rotten because of silence." -
> St. Catherine of Siena
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: bulk 88 <bulk88 at hotmail.com>
> To: "mark.lehmann at gmail.com" <mark.lehmann at gmail.com>, Greg Meece <
> gmeece at algebraixdata.com>
> Cc: "yapc at pm.org" <yapc at pm.org>
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:25:39 -0400
> Subject: RE: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:41:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: Austin AC avg thermostat settings?
> From: mark.lehmann at gmail.com
> To: GMeece at algebraixdata.com
> CC: yapc at pm.org
>
> I find that an empty room is far colder then a populated room.  When I
> speak or teach, I usually avoid the temptation to raise the
> room temperature because by the time everyone gathers, the room will be
> several degrees warmer.
>
>
>
> I use 100 watts per person. 15 people = 1 american space heater regular
> outlet set to high.
>
>
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From admin at yapcna.org  Fri May 31 22:35:27 2013
From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:35:27 -0500
Subject: YAPC day -2
Message-ID: <CALC=KU+bcwTBnXx=TT0ammoUz8cunVdmmaxv2X385RGyjaMPBg@mail.gmail.com>

Tomorrow is training and the first day of the Hackathon. If you're not in
training and you've never been to a hackathon, all you need to do is show
up and volunteer. There will be plenty of projects in need of help and
people to show you how you can.

How to get there: You can find all of the points of interest for YAPC in
this handy dandy google map: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/map.html. You
want to go to the Thompson Conference Center tomorrow. A close up can be
seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/tPSF6. Note that parking is in lot 40 not lot
39. Parking is free.

How to get your WiFi fix: The SSID is ?attwifi?. You?ll use the coupon code
that?s on your badge. This will be provided tomorrow if you attend an
official event.

The Arrival Dinner: Hula Hut is out of seating. If you didn?t manage to get
a spot, we encourage you to join the Anti-Arrival Dinner or form your own
social gathering.

See you soon,
YAPC NA Admin
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From volunteers at yapcna.org  Fri May 31 22:42:40 2013
From: volunteers at yapcna.org (Volunteer Organizer)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:42:40 -0500
Subject: Request for Volunteers
Message-ID: <CAKNHcbv95BaHk+z4Qk=9USgsaTC7VFVdFuZk5LdnrCZoNLxY_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all. We're looking for some volunteers to help out with the conference.
YAPC is a community conference, more than just about every other tech
conference today. It is through community involvement that we have a
conference at all. It is in this spirit of community and camaraderie that
we come to you today to ask for volunteers. If you've ever wanted to help
run a YAPC but didn't want to have to take care of everything, or didn't
want all the responsibility involved (and there is a lot of it), now's your
chance. If you've wanted to help out in some small way but weren't sure
where to start, this is your chance!

What follows is a list of things that just about anyone can do. Please feel
free to respond with any interest you have in helping out. We thank you for
helping to make this YAPC amazing.

* We need people to be in each room for each talk to make sure that
speakers get off to a smooth start. This includes making sure their laptops
work properly (and seeking help if not), setting up the microphone, and
signalling them as they approach the time limit for their talk. I've found
a tablet with a big "5 MIN" written in a word processor works well. The
idea is to give 10, 5, 2, and 1 minute notices for longer talks, and 5, 2,
and 1 minute notices for shorter talks.

* We need people to monitor the sound in each room during each talk. This
will preferably need to be someone who's familiar with audio kit, and is
probably the most technically demanding item on this list.

* We need people to monitor the LiveStreams to make sure that things are
proceeding smoothly and to let us know if / when things go pear-shaped.

* We need folks to greet / redirect / guide attendees to their destinations
on Monday morning. Ideally this will be people who have tablets with maps
of the area to show people where to go and how to get there. There are
other ways to do this, of course, and the above is just one tested and
known-working approach. This also includes people standing outside LBJ and
making sure people reach the registration desk, which brings us to the next
point.

* We need people to coordinate registration on Monday morning, which opens
at 7 AM. Yes, it's 7 AM, and it's a crime against nature. However, there is
a major perk for this position: every single person needs to pass through
registration. Every single attendee. This is a unique opportunity to meet
new people and make connections with a large part of the Perl community. If
you've ever wanted to have a good reason to talk with someone in the Perl
community, this could be it!

* We need people to shepherd folks to / from the busses and into The Stage
for Tuesday night. This will help make sure everyone arrives where and when
they need to be there.

* We need people to coordinate setting up and tearing down at The Stage
early Tuesday and late Tuesday, respectively.

If any of the above sounds interesting, please let us know by emailing
volunteers at yapcna.org. We'll contact you offlist to coordinate further.
Thank you for your interest in helping out! YAPC is more than anything a
community conference, and by helping out you help us make a better
conference for everyone.
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From rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org  Fri May 31 22:56:53 2013
From: rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org (Rick Scott)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 01:56:53 -0400
Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF
Message-ID: <20130601055653.GA18794@shadowspar.dyndns.org>

This is something the open source & software dev communities
are thankfully starting to talk about.  We need to talk about it more. 

You don't have to look very hard to make a sizeable list of
accomplished people in the F/OSS community whom we've lost to 
suicide.  Less apparent is the ongoing harm when someone's struggling
to deal with an unrecognized or untreated mental health issue 
on their own.  In addition to the obvious suffering, it's pretty 
hard to do your best work when you're trying to cope with a brain
that hates you.  This is a huge loss for them, their employer, and the
community as a whole.

Something like 1 in 5 people will deal with a diagnosable mental 
illness in their lifetime.  Despite this, there's still a lot
of stigma around disclosing mental health problems and seeking
treatment for them.  This stigma is killing us.  The longer people
wait to talk to somebody or seek help, the worse things can get. 


So, I'd like to put together an informal BoF for anyone who's
interested in mental health in the tech community. 
No crazy required to attend -- folks who are interested in 
talking about the issue at the overview level are welcome
along with anybody who wants to share their own experiences.

Scheduling is pretty open -- we could pick a restaurant for the
Monday night Dinner BoF, grab a table at Tuesday's banquet,
or do something else entirely.  If you're interested, you're 
welcome to email me privately (rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org), 
or to sign up on the BoF wiki page.

http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Mental%20Health%20BOF



Cheers,
Rick

PS: Speaking of people who are talking about these issues, props to
Greg Baugues (@greggyb) and Ed Finkler (@funkatron) for trying to 
get the conversation going: 

http://blog.baugues.com/devs-and-depression
http://confreaks.com/videos/2341-mwrc2013-devs-and-depression

http://funkatron.com/posts/open-sourcing-mental-illness.html
http://funkatron.com/posts/open-sourcing-mental-illness-at-php_tek13.html
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From dha at panix.com  Fri May 31 23:05:19 2013
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 02:05:19 -0400
Subject: double feature signups - $15
In-Reply-To: <51A8347E.2090806@stemsystems.com>
References: <51A8347E.2090806@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20130601060519.GB11356@panix.com>

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 01:26:22AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> hi to all yapc cinephiles,
> 
> we have hit 26 paid signups for the monday night double feature.
> some don't even care what will be playing. they know they will have
> fun with heckling, irc and creative mayhem. plus we will actually be
> showing a pair of top notch films (if i have my way! :). my current
> choices are the president's analyst and NxNW. there have been really
> no nays to those and a couple of yeahs. we will have to slam the
> gavel at some point. maybe that night we can decide but i am
> exerting whatever influence that can be mustard (sic).

I don't like mustard.

For what it's worth, I'm bringing a lot more physical media than I
usually do for yapc. 80% are arguably "good" films. This, of course,
doesn't count what's on my hard drive, which probably contains a lot
more stuff for Bad Movie Night.

So, if need be, I can attack Uri with sharp discs if he becomes a
problem. :-)

dha

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