From scott at slowass.net Sat Jun 1 04:52:07 2013 From: scott at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:52:07 -0500 Subject: hotel room floor space? Message-ID: Hey. Anyone have a hotel with some extra floor space I can crash on? I can chip in too. Cheers, -scott From genehack at genehack.org Sat Jun 1 05:43:44 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:43:44 -0500 Subject: double feature signups - $15 In-Reply-To: <20130601060519.GB11356@panix.com> References: <51A8347E.2090806@stemsystems.com> <20130601060519.GB11356@panix.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:05 AM, David H. Adler wrote: > So, if need be, I can attack Uri with sharp discs if he becomes a > problem. :-) Where's the CrowdTilt for funding _that_ activity? ;^) From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Sat Jun 1 06:04:38 2013 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 08:04:38 -0500 Subject: Hula Hut Is Sold out (mostly) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 07:16:08AM -0500, YAPC NA wrote: > [1]http://blog.yapcna.org/post/51798773514/hula-hut-is-sold-out-mostly > We currently have 103 people paid to attend the arrival dinner Sunday at Hula Hut. We have reserved and > paid for 100. Technically They can seat 120 and we?ve left registration open to allow this. However, we > need to notify them of the additional attendees prior to Sunday. Registration is now closed. > If you would still like to attend, please email [2]admin at yapcna.org by the end of the day and we will > get you added to the list if space allows. The AntiArrivalDinner is also maxed-out http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner Perhaps there's need for an Anti-AntiArrivalDinner. Tim. From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org Sat Jun 1 06:18:32 2013 From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 09:18:32 -0400 Subject: Hula Hut Is Sold out (mostly) In-Reply-To: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> References: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20130601131832.GA1363@cancer.codesimply.com> * Tim Bunce [2013-06-01T09:04:38] > Perhaps there's need for an Anti-AntiArrivalDinner. I think I'll go to Torchy's Tacos. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Duke [0] http://koshevoy.net On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Rick Scott wrote: > This is something the open source & software dev communities > are thankfully starting to talk about. We need to talk about it more. > > You don't have to look very hard to make a sizeable list of > accomplished people in the F/OSS community whom we've lost to > suicide. Less apparent is the ongoing harm when someone's struggling > to deal with an unrecognized or untreated mental health issue > on their own. In addition to the obvious suffering, it's pretty > hard to do your best work when you're trying to cope with a brain > that hates you. This is a huge loss for them, their employer, and the > community as a whole. > > Something like 1 in 5 people will deal with a diagnosable mental > illness in their lifetime. Despite this, there's still a lot > of stigma around disclosing mental health problems and seeking > treatment for them. This stigma is killing us. The longer people > wait to talk to somebody or seek help, the worse things can get. > > > So, I'd like to put together an informal BoF for anyone who's > interested in mental health in the tech community. > No crazy required to attend -- folks who are interested in > talking about the issue at the overview level are welcome > along with anybody who wants to share their own experiences. > > Scheduling is pretty open -- we could pick a restaurant for the > Monday night Dinner BoF, grab a table at Tuesday's banquet, > or do something else entirely. If you're interested, you're > welcome to email me privately (rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org), > or to sign up on the BoF wiki page. > > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Mental%20Health%20BOF > > > > Cheers, > Rick > > PS: Speaking of people who are talking about these issues, props to > Greg Baugues (@greggyb) and Ed Finkler (@funkatron) for trying to > get the conversation going: > > http://blog.baugues.com/devs-and-depression > http://confreaks.com/videos/2341-mwrc2013-devs-and-depression > > http://funkatron.com/posts/open-sourcing-mental-illness.html > http://funkatron.com/posts/open-sourcing-mental-illness-at-php_tek13.html > -- > key B2480CA6 / print D0E7 6EBB A448 B31D 691E 3F44 71D8 8993 B248 0CA6 > By all means insist that all pitons be driven in at the mountain's peak > only. You won't get very far up the mountain that way, though. > :Gavia libraria > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRqY0kAAoJEHHYiZOySAymYl4QAKcwPUf2yWdcCR2nvLWIBPt5 > rPYLCcd8l7nzT5tQ/pavgN2P51dUbuxjwGqxqNse5m6wp6y0kN5SzBfLE4Q9BjAJ > oLtEDF86hi47cZCJJ6Ac273R52n/GWNhc1WCcxVi4EaYx5n21WOpN5r5mN/Lh6lr > MF28L70B2HIQthpdBlMuK+ddxBGK9YKpCC4cMamlrIWAPU6/9ScrltJjGu3cVM9G > plyoiGosdYNUymDC29rjOLACGlZEFWnUO7FKWcKhyeVKpLSUgk1Fb7f4GEmf5HCM > /+fiu+mDLyd7ZsJgHiSYcXXaAgvFa+UPju4zvl8avREVT8tMBuAgpZeCSjIlhLal > I9NQn0ogFfpHLQ0vlj7xKj3s19EMjiPSBX4BprR5uvxfXAlVYi1fRTVDI+ouCY67 > pKjfBHVy/o+ubr23UYq5ICtuEUurY7olNmbNzIhFYKmTkINsacea6IT+qfvl84Om > EN6DpA9pF5hZH8oB0mUHfTyKcRvs7MyV+wwkhmcUWGsCf9gn1J7Cb3FxvI6R0fdE > nPpG6AsbxOBoL3vhysXDWOaRA0OE9k/olc4B+OGIPXIi86c0NSH9ZbPYKy3/h8Vr > BzmqctZ7VWQMLCcHMT2SaEXN9ColHvJDid+XcdtSjP4F7bfvk2UT/HweEp/jmY7o > j7M2dIkktCYChjVmTWIH > =5GcG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From craig.treptow at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 07:45:59 2013 From: craig.treptow at gmail.com (Craig Treptow) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: Hula Hut Is Sold out (mostly) In-Reply-To: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> References: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I'm not sure if I was being counted for the anti-arrival dinner since I was "iffy" regarding making it in time, but just in case I was, I removed myself on the wiki to make space for someone who can arrive on time. Craig On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 07:16:08AM -0500, YAPC NA wrote: > > [1] > http://blog.yapcna.org/post/51798773514/hula-hut-is-sold-out-mostly > > We currently have 103 people paid to attend the arrival dinner Sunday > at Hula Hut. We have reserved and > > paid for 100. Technically They can seat 120 and we?ve left > registration open to allow this. 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URL: From admin at mattharris.org Sat Jun 1 07:52:30 2013 From: admin at mattharris.org (Matthew Harris) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:52:30 -0500 Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF In-Reply-To: References: <20130601055653.GA18794@shadowspar.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <51AA0AAE.4070806@mattharris.org> I would like to talk about: If mental health is a disease or is it actually a learned behavior. Basic nature vs nurture discussion On 06/01/2013 09:16 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > Howdy, > > Thanks for bringing this up, Scott. > > Just this morning I was pondering if I should give a lightning talk > about this very topic. > > The Portland tech community lost one of our cornerstone members to > depression and suicide recently [0]. It is important for everybody to > know that depression is a disease and it can be fatal. > > If anybody would like to talk about these things at the conf, either > in private or with others, please grab me in the hallway. > > Duke > > [0] http://koshevoy.net > > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Rick Scott wrote: >> This is something the open source & software dev communities >> are thankfully starting to talk about. We need to talk about it more. >> >> You don't have to look very hard to make a sizeable list of >> accomplished people in the F/OSS community whom we've lost to >> suicide. Less apparent is the ongoing harm when someone's struggling >> to deal with an unrecognized or untreated mental health issue >> on their own. In addition to the obvious suffering, it's pretty >> hard to do your best work when you're trying to cope with a brain >> that hates you. This is a huge loss for them, their employer, and the >> community as a whole. >> >> Something like 1 in 5 people will deal with a diagnosable mental >> illness in their lifetime. Despite this, there's still a lot >> of stigma around disclosing mental health problems and seeking >> treatment for them. This stigma is killing us. The longer people >> wait to talk to somebody or seek help, the worse things can get. >> >> >> So, I'd like to put together an informal BoF for anyone who's >> interested in mental health in the tech community. >> No crazy required to attend -- folks who are interested in >> talking about the issue at the overview level are welcome >> along with anybody who wants to share their own experiences. >> >> Scheduling is pretty open -- we could pick a restaurant for the >> Monday night Dinner BoF, grab a table at Tuesday's banquet, >> or do something else entirely. If you're interested, you're >> welcome to email me privately (rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org), >> or to sign up on the BoF wiki page. >> >> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Mental%20Health%20BOF >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> Rick >> >> PS: Speaking of people who are talking about these issues, props to >> Greg Baugues (@greggyb) and Ed Finkler (@funkatron) for trying to >> get the conversation going: >> >> http://blog.baugues.com/devs-and-depression >> http://confreaks.com/videos/2341-mwrc2013-devs-and-depression >> >> http://funkatron.com/posts/open-sourcing-mental-illness.html >> http://funkatron.com/posts/open-sourcing-mental-illness-at-php_tek13.html >> -- >> key B2480CA6 / print D0E7 6EBB A448 B31D 691E 3F44 71D8 8993 B248 0CA6 >> By all means insist that all pitons be driven in at the mountain's peak >> only. You won't get very far up the mountain that way, though. >> :Gavia libraria >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRqY0kAAoJEHHYiZOySAymYl4QAKcwPUf2yWdcCR2nvLWIBPt5 >> rPYLCcd8l7nzT5tQ/pavgN2P51dUbuxjwGqxqNse5m6wp6y0kN5SzBfLE4Q9BjAJ >> oLtEDF86hi47cZCJJ6Ac273R52n/GWNhc1WCcxVi4EaYx5n21WOpN5r5mN/Lh6lr >> MF28L70B2HIQthpdBlMuK+ddxBGK9YKpCC4cMamlrIWAPU6/9ScrltJjGu3cVM9G >> plyoiGosdYNUymDC29rjOLACGlZEFWnUO7FKWcKhyeVKpLSUgk1Fb7f4GEmf5HCM >> /+fiu+mDLyd7ZsJgHiSYcXXaAgvFa+UPju4zvl8avREVT8tMBuAgpZeCSjIlhLal >> I9NQn0ogFfpHLQ0vlj7xKj3s19EMjiPSBX4BprR5uvxfXAlVYi1fRTVDI+ouCY67 >> pKjfBHVy/o+ubr23UYq5ICtuEUurY7olNmbNzIhFYKmTkINsacea6IT+qfvl84Om >> EN6DpA9pF5hZH8oB0mUHfTyKcRvs7MyV+wwkhmcUWGsCf9gn1J7Cb3FxvI6R0fdE >> nPpG6AsbxOBoL3vhysXDWOaRA0OE9k/olc4B+OGIPXIi86c0NSH9ZbPYKy3/h8Vr >> BzmqctZ7VWQMLCcHMT2SaEXN9ColHvJDid+XcdtSjP4F7bfvk2UT/HweEp/jmY7o >> j7M2dIkktCYChjVmTWIH >> =5GcG >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > From timothylord at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 07:57:13 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 09:57:13 -0500 Subject: Hula Hut Is Sold out (mostly) In-Reply-To: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> References: <20130601130438.GH26228@adsl-172-10-1-108.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: If anyone's interested, I recommend the reasonable, vegetarian (many vegan options, too) Mother's Cafe & Garden, http://www.motherscafeaustin.com/, 4215 Duval. It's a (short) drive, or a quite long walk, from the conf. area, but carpooling would get people there. This is one of the first restaurants anyone took me to in Austin, about 20 years ago, and I've done the same for many others. If a few people want to eat there as a group, I'd be happy to make a reservation (or, if they don't take reservations, at least try to coordinate a time) -- email me off-list might be the smartest way, and I promise to write back if there's enough interest. (Probably need some critical mass to make that worthwhile ... 5 or 6 would suffice.) If there aren't that many people interested, there really are a lot of places right near the conference to wander to. Kismet Cafe is middle-eastern food and open late, a few minutes up the street, Thai Spice has a reasonable / shareable / good enough to enjoy giant sushi boat option, even closer (approx 21st and Guadalupe), etc. Veggie Heaven may be overstating the case in their name, but hopefully they still have excellent honey lemonade. Tim On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 07:16:08AM -0500, YAPC NA wrote: > > [1] > http://blog.yapcna.org/post/51798773514/hula-hut-is-sold-out-mostly > > We currently have 103 people paid to attend the arrival dinner Sunday > at Hula Hut. We have reserved and > > paid for 100. Technically They can seat 120 and we?ve left > registration open to allow this. However, we > > need to notify them of the additional attendees prior to Sunday. > Registration is now closed. > > If you would still like to attend, please email [2]admin at yapcna.orgby the end of the day and we will > > get you added to the list if space allows. > > The AntiArrivalDinner is also maxed-out > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiArrivalDinner > > Perhaps there's need for an Anti-AntiArrivalDinner. > > Tim. > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, it's possible that this is a super popular restaurant and they won't have extra tables. -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From sean at quinlan.org Sat Jun 1 10:31:41 2013 From: sean at quinlan.org (Sean Quinlan) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 13:31:41 -0400 Subject: Participation of non-attendees In-Reply-To: <1370052847765.bcc72ec@Nodemailer> References: <1370052847765.bcc72ec@Nodemailer> Message-ID: Beat me to it Pete! Buddy, I'd be happy to help your son practice his heckling if you want! ;) Swyped on my Android, please make allowances when translating. -Sean On May 31, 2013 10:15 PM, "Pete Clark" wrote: > It's all fun and games until someone gets PHP'd... > -- > petec > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Buddy Burden wrote: > >> Uri, >> >> > if he is caught without a badge, we will lock him up and chain him in >> python classroom. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!! >> >> That seems a bit harsh, for a first offense. Isn't there a BASIC >> classroom we could chain him in until he learns better? ;-> >> >> >> -- Buddy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org Sat Jun 1 12:27:34 2013 From: rick at shadowspar.dyndns.org (Rick Scott) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 15:27:34 -0400 Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF In-Reply-To: <51AA0AAE.4070806@mattharris.org> References: <20130601055653.GA18794@shadowspar.dyndns.org> <51AA0AAE.4070806@mattharris.org> Message-ID: <20130601192734.GA10359@shadowspar.dyndns.org> (Matthew Harris:) > I would like to talk about: > > If mental health is a disease or is it actually a learned behavior. > Basic nature vs nurture discussion Hi Matthew! Couple things. Mental health is an interesting area. The operations of the brain are fascinating, but still not very well understood. We know far more about mental disorders than we used to, but things are still much murkier than with physical illnesses. That being said, we do know that the mental and biological aspects of the brain are are a two-way street: each influences the other. Our brain chemistry shapes our thoughts, but the converse is true as well -- changing our thought patterns produces physical changes in the brain. Much current research suggests that, much like physical illness, multiple factors come into play in mental illness: genetic factors that increase one's predisposition to developing a certain disorder, brain injuries from hypoxia, physical trauma, or toxic exposure, and social factors like traumatic experiences and stress. Some disorders show a preponderance of one or more of these factors -- for instance, ADHD and Bipolar have very strong genetic components (heritability of ~90% and ~70%, respectively). Others simply don't have any clear cause that we've yet been able to establish with certainty. Finally, a major component of the stigma around mental illness is that it is caused by personal weakness, a failure to manage one's ~feelings~, or that it is a learned behaviour used to seek attention or to weasel to weasel out of responsibility. Thus, if most of the folks interested in the BOF find discussion of this topic to be productive, I'm ok with it. However, if it's used as a vehicle to tell people that their mental illness is a deserved result of their personal failings, or to discourage them from pursing the evidence-based treatments that will help them get their lives on track, I'm really not. Cheers, Rick -- key B2480CA6 / print D0E7 6EBB A448 B31D 691E 3F44 71D8 8993 B248 0CA6 It's a joyless existence, being smushed. :Larry Wall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to have a Google video hangout (oh, I'm sorry, "video call") going, allowing offsite participation and/or recording when shit Goes Down. The real obstacle is the inability to plan ahead. People have lives! But frankly I want to record discussions just so we don't forget any good ideas that get yelled out amongst the general taunting and fetching of la vache. With a warning that none of this might end up live, but only on Youtube later, I have these suggestions if you want to watch nerdfights: 1. Watch this mailing list. 2. Keep an eye on #yapc. 3. Install the Google Video Chat plugin in your browser of choice. For iOS, the G+ app will do. Might not need it, but you do NOT want to be installing plugins at the last minute. The max user count like 20 so you may end up watching YouTube read-only instead; sorry, but hey, 20 is pretty good. From rev.chip at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 14:19:50 2013 From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Reverend Chip) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:19:50 -0700 Subject: Dorm laundry? Message-ID: <51AA6576.2000806@gmail.com> I would like to assume that dorms have laundry rooms... but well, it's hardly good coding to assume things. Anyone at dorms see a laundry room? From barefootcoder at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 16:54:41 2013 From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:54:41 -0700 Subject: Participation of non-attendees In-Reply-To: References: <1370052847765.bcc72ec@Nodemailer> Message-ID: Sean, > Buddy, I'd be happy to help your son practice his heckling if you want! ;) Oh, I doubt he'll need any help. ;-> But it'll be good to see you again if you're going to be there! -- Buddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 19:05:52 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 21:05:52 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin Message-ID: I've never been to Austin before, but I'm sure there's a decent club scene. If anyone were so inclined (and has a car), I was hoping to go exploring a bit. Don't know if anyone on the mailing list likes to hit the clubs, but I haven't been dancing in a while, and I have a bit an itch to do so. ~Faelin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at whump.com Sat Jun 1 19:27:22 2013 From: bill at whump.com (Bill Humphries) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 19:27:22 -0700 Subject: Anti Anti Arrival Dinner? Message-ID: <15E00ADA-7141-476F-9FAC-98D9A4A5930B@whump.com> Having learned that both the Arrival and Anti-Arrival dinners are fully subscribed, I see there's an Anti-Anti Arrival Dinner proposed on the Wiki. Any other interested parties? Someone will have to propose a location because my Austin restaurant sense is 25 years out of date. http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=AntiAntiArrivalDinner -- whump From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Sat Jun 1 20:28:04 2013 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 23:28:04 -0400 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130602032803.GI72625@eschaton.local> On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 21:05:52 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > I've never been to Austin before, but I'm sure there's a decent club scene. > If anyone were so inclined (and has a car), I was hoping to go exploring a > bit. Don't know if anyone on the mailing list likes to hit the clubs, but I > haven't been dancing in a while, and I have a bit an itch to do so. My understanding is that all of the interesting places are on Sixth Street. Speaking as someone who's never been to Austin, though, you may want to take the advice of a local for specifics. ... though there is something to be said for the fortuitous serendipity of wandering into an unknown establishment. :D -- Chris Nehren Shadowcat Alumnus From khaled.hussein at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 20:31:41 2013 From: khaled.hussein at gmail.com (Khaled Hussein) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:31:41 -0700 Subject: double feature signups - $15 In-Reply-To: References: <51A8347E.2090806@stemsystems.com> <20130601060519.GB11356@panix.com> Message-ID: This campaign is going crazy. Make sure to get your ticket before it runs out. We only have a few hours before the campaign ends and we are almost sold out. Here is the campaign link .. feel free to invite your friends too. https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header I am looking forward to seeing you all there. It'll be a fun night :). On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:06 AM, John Haugeland wrote: > I am struggling not to make that campaign. _Struggling_ . > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:43 AM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:05 AM, David H. Adler wrote: > > So, if need be, I can attack Uri with sharp discs if he becomes a > > problem. :-) > > Where's the CrowdTilt for funding _that_ activity? ;^) > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rev.chip at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 20:48:53 2013 From: rev.chip at gmail.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:48:53 -0700 Subject: Dorm laundry? In-Reply-To: <51AA6576.2000806@gmail.com> References: <51AA6576.2000806@gmail.com> Message-ID: Google knows all: http://www.utexas.edu/student/housing/index.php?site=0&scode=3&id=266 On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Reverend Chip wrote: > I would like to assume that dorms have laundry rooms... but well, it's > hardly good coding to assume things. Anyone at dorms see a laundry room? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Sat Jun 1 21:04:38 2013 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 00:04:38 -0400 Subject: double feature signups - $15 In-Reply-To: References: <51A8347E.2090806@stemsystems.com> <20130601060519.GB11356@panix.com> Message-ID: <51AAC456.1060001@stemsystems.com> On 06/01/2013 11:31 PM, Khaled Hussein wrote: > This campaign is going crazy. Make sure to get your ticket before it runs out. We only have a few hours before the campaign ends and we are almost sold out. Here is the campaign link .. feel free to invite your friends too. > > https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header > i see $600 sold which means 40 tickets. a very solid number but the theater holds 70 so it isn't close to selling out (yet). on monday when the word really spreads (and it will) there will be a rush for tickets. this is very predictable from past yapc events like this. so get your double feature tickets now while they are still selling. i am not sure why the dollar target is set for $750 which is only 50 tickets. thanx, uri From stan.laughlin at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 21:19:16 2013 From: stan.laughlin at gmail.com (Stan Laughlin) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 23:19:16 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: <20130602032803.GI72625@eschaton.local> References: <20130602032803.GI72625@eschaton.local> Message-ID: <3CE74EDD-04F6-4AA4-B706-5A9A702A9E1D@gmail.com> I walked up & down 6th early in the eve tonight. Lots going on down there but I'm not certain there is any dancing. Certainly plenty of loud music from a wide number of bars. Obviously a tourist destination. I suspect you can have a lot of fun in a very short time if you try. Someone else suggested 4th as a university crowd environment. Luck Stan On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 21:05:52 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: >> I've never been to Austin before, but I'm sure there's a decent club scene. >> If anyone were so inclined (and has a car), I was hoping to go exploring a >> bit. Don't know if anyone on the mailing list likes to hit the clubs, but I >> haven't been dancing in a while, and I have a bit an itch to do so. > > My understanding is that all of the interesting places are on Sixth > Street. Speaking as someone who's never been to Austin, though, you may > want to take the advice of a local for specifics. > > ... though there is something to be said for the fortuitous serendipity > of wandering into an unknown establishment. :D > > -- > Chris Nehren > Shadowcat Alumnus > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From faelin.landy at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 21:51:14 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 23:51:14 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: <3CE74EDD-04F6-4AA4-B706-5A9A702A9E1D@gmail.com> References: <20130602032803.GI72625@eschaton.local> <3CE74EDD-04F6-4AA4-B706-5A9A702A9E1D@gmail.com> Message-ID: H'okay, so, survey says: - Elysium - quite, gothy, chill lounge, with a pool table (because why not?). - Hangar Lounge - retro 1950s-esque "airport lounge" theme, built in three levels, each one slightly different, and an open roof to watch the city from. - Amnesia - somewhat dressy hookah-bar/club, full of smoke and too many people, but one of the few places around with hookah - Rain on 4th - best gay bar in the area. 'Nuff said. - Red 7 - one of the best live-music venues in the area, for rock/metal: http://red7austin.com/calendar/ check out the upcoming shows and see if you like anything (some Youtube previews) So, hopefully something here will appeal to someone. Tell your friends! Let's see if we can get a group of awesome people together! Mind you, these are only the best options. There are many more, far worse, options available. Go look around! On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Stan Laughlin wrote: > I walked up & down 6th early in the eve tonight. > Lots going on down there but I'm not certain there is any dancing. > Certainly plenty of loud music from a wide number of bars. Obviously a > tourist destination. > I suspect you can have a lot of fun in a very short time if you try. > Someone else suggested 4th as a university crowd environment. > > Luck > > Stan > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Chris Nehren > wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 21:05:52 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > >> I've never been to Austin before, but I'm sure there's a decent club > scene. > >> If anyone were so inclined (and has a car), I was hoping to go > exploring a > >> bit. Don't know if anyone on the mailing list likes to hit the clubs, > but I > >> haven't been dancing in a while, and I have a bit an itch to do so. > > > > My understanding is that all of the interesting places are on Sixth > > Street. 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I just created a yapc nightlife board on glassboard. https://app.glassboard.com/web/invitation/code/jkpep It's worth checking out if you haven't used glassboard ? it's excellent for coordinating stuff at events, and popular with the sxsw and ruby convention hipsters. - petec On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > H'okay, so, survey says: > Elysium - quite, gothy, chill lounge, with a pool table (because why not?). > Hangar Lounge - retro 1950s-esque "airport lounge" theme, built in three levels, each one slightly different, and an open roof to watch the city from. > Amnesia - somewhat dressy hookah-bar/club, full of smoke and too many people, but one of the few places around with hookah > Rain on 4th - best gay bar in the area. 'Nuff said. > Red 7 - one of the best live-music venues in the area, for rock/metal: http://red7austin.com/calendar/ check out the upcoming shows and see if you like anything (some Youtube previews) > So, hopefully something here will appeal to someone. Tell your friends! Let's see if we can get a group of awesome people together! Mind you, these are only the best options. There are many more, far worse, options available. Go look around! > > > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Stan Laughlin wrote: >> I walked up & down 6th early in the eve tonight. >> Lots going on down there but I'm not certain there is any dancing. >> Certainly plenty of loud music from a wide number of bars. Obviously a tourist destination. >> I suspect you can have a lot of fun in a very short time if you try. >> Someone else suggested 4th as a university crowd environment. >> >> Luck >> >> Stan >> >> On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 21:05:52 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: >> >> I've never been to Austin before, but I'm sure there's a decent club scene. >> >> If anyone were so inclined (and has a car), I was hoping to go exploring a >> >> bit. Don't know if anyone on the mailing list likes to hit the clubs, but I >> >> haven't been dancing in a while, and I have a bit an itch to do so. >> > >> > My understanding is that all of the interesting places are on Sixth >> > Street. Speaking as someone who's never been to Austin, though, you may >> > want to take the advice of a local for specifics. >> > >> > ... though there is something to be said for the fortuitous serendipity >> > of wandering into an unknown establishment. :D >> > >> > -- >> > Chris Nehren >> > Shadowcat Alumnus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > yapc mailing list >> > yapc at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theaney at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 04:16:26 2013 From: theaney at gmail.com (Tim Heaney) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 07:16:26 -0400 Subject: Tonight at Red 7...Abigail! Message-ID: X CHAOS IN TEJAS PRESENTS: ABSU W/ ABIGAIL, MITOCHONDRION, ANHEDONIST June, 2nd > From: Faelin McCaley Landy > > - Red 7 - one of the best live-music venues in the area, for rock/metal: > http://red7austin.com/calendar/ check out the upcoming shows and see if > you like anything (some Youtube previews) From howanitz at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 04:41:17 2013 From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 06:41:17 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This might be useful: http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 05:34:47 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 07:34:47 -0500 Subject: Tonight at Red 7...Abigail! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Personally, I'm more interested in the other show, happening at the same time (one inside, one outside). CHAOS IN TEJAS PRESENTS: MANILLA ROAD W/ SATAN?S SATYRS, SPEEDWOLF, ETERNAL CHAMPION June 2nd, 6PM The show that Tim listed is held at 6PM on an indoor stage, and is mostly Screamo and Thrash Metal. The above show is on the outdoor stage, and is more classic Speed Metal and Power Metal. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Tim Heaney wrote: > X CHAOS IN TEJAS PRESENTS: ABSU W/ ABIGAIL, MITOCHONDRION, ANHEDONIST > June, 2nd > > > From: Faelin McCaley Landy > > > > - Red 7 - one of the best live-music venues in the area, for > rock/metal: > > http://red7austin.com/calendar/ check out the upcoming shows and see > if > > you like anything (some Youtube previews) > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill.morris58 at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 05:53:30 2013 From: bill.morris58 at gmail.com (William Morris) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 08:53:30 -0400 Subject: {bill.morris58} Message-ID: http://gracecommunitychurch.ca/uqirjfed/mkqvpwgnrveogarribvnvpxidc.yeorfkcd From jonathan at leto.net Sun Jun 2 07:01:16 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 09:01:16 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy, Some locals pointed me to these sites for local happenings: do512.com austin360.com Duke On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Keith Howanitz wrote: > This might be useful: > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From faelin.landy at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 07:08:18 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 09:08:18 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, looks fantastic! Faelin On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > Howdy, > > Some locals pointed me to these sites for local happenings: > > do512.com > austin360.com > > Duke > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Keith Howanitz wrote: > > This might be useful: > > > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > @dukeleto > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colomon at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 07:30:00 2013 From: colomon at gmail.com (Solomon Foster) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:30:00 -0400 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but is on the music calendar: http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm planning to head down and join the musicians. --Sol On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz wrote: > This might be useful: > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com From deb at eximiousproductions.com Sun Jun 2 07:36:27 2013 From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:36:27 -0400 Subject: Tonight at Red 7...Abigail! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I could be interested in the Holy Mountain show with Total Control and Wolf Eyes after Hula Hut. Deb On Sunday, June 2, 2013, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Personally, I'm more interested in the other show, happening at the same time (one inside, one outside). > CHAOS IN TEJAS PRESENTS: MANILLA ROAD W/ SATAN?S SATYRS, SPEEDWOLF, ETERNAL CHAMPION > June 2nd, 6PM > > The show that Tim listed is held at 6PM on an indoor stage, and is mostly Screamo and Thrash Metal. The above show is on the outdoor stage, and is more classic Speed Metal and Power Metal. > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Tim Heaney wrote: >> >> X CHAOS IN TEJAS PRESENTS: ABSU W/ ABIGAIL, MITOCHONDRION, ANHEDONIST >> June, 2nd >> >> > From: Faelin McCaley Landy >> > >> > - Red 7 - one of the best live-music venues in the area, for rock/metal: >> > http://red7austin.com/calendar/ check out the upcoming shows and see if >> > you like anything (some Youtube previews) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 07:48:49 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 09:48:49 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, don't get me wrong, I love a good jig! That actually sounds really fun! I think I'll head over, too. Are you going to the arrival dinner, or the anti-arrival dinner? ~Faelin On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Solomon Foster wrote: > Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but > is on the music calendar: > > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ > > Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm > planning to head down and join the musicians. > > --Sol > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz wrote: > > This might be useful: > > > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com > HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 07:57:20 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 09:57:20 -0500 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, in the end, I think I just don't know what I want to do. I suppose I'll decide on the fly! But it's good that we have some actual interest! I think, for the next YAPC, I'll create an "afterhours" page, and see if we can get some coordinated events. Hopefully there'll be some locals interested in helping out, for wherever we end up! Fae On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Hey, don't get me wrong, I love a good jig! That actually sounds really > fun! I think I'll head over, too. Are you going to the arrival dinner, or > the anti-arrival dinner? > > ~Faelin > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Solomon Foster wrote: > >> Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but >> is on the music calendar: >> >> >> http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ >> >> Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm >> planning to head down and join the musicians. >> >> --Sol >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz >> wrote: >> > This might be useful: >> > >> > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > yapc mailing list >> > yapc at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com >> HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please join us! > > What: YAPC After Party > Who: Open to all attendees of YAPC::NA > When: Monday, June 3, 2013 starting at 9:00pm > Where: Recess Arcade Bar, 222 East 6th Street, Austin, TX 78701 > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Faelin McCaley Landy >> Date: June 2, 2013 9:57:20 AM CDT >> To: yapc at pm.org >> Subject: Re: Nightlife in Austin >> >> Well, in the end, I think I just don't know what I want to do. I suppose I'll decide on the fly! But it's good that we have some actual interest! I think, for the next YAPC, I'll create an "afterhours" page, and see if we can get some coordinated events. Hopefully there'll be some locals interested in helping out, for wherever we end up! >> >> Fae >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: >> Hey, don't get me wrong, I love a good jig! That actually sounds really fun! I think I'll head over, too. Are you going to the arrival dinner, or the anti-arrival dinner? >> >> ~Faelin >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Solomon Foster wrote: >> Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but >> is on the music calendar: >> >> http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ >> >> Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm >> planning to head down and join the musicians. >> >> --Sol >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz wrote: >> > This might be useful: >> > >> > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > yapc mailing list >> > yapc at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com >> HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erantapaa at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 09:04:12 2013 From: erantapaa at gmail.com (Erik Rantapaa) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 11:04:12 -0500 Subject: any swing/lindy dancers? Message-ID: I very much enjoy dancing wing/lindy hop, and I would be interested in meeting other conference attendees who are also into swing. Some dancing events I've found going on this week that I'm considering checking out: - Monday night, Thrift Set Orchestra at 9:30 pm, BUTTERFLY BAR (at Vortex Theatre) - Four on the Floor lesson and dance Tuesday night at the "Fed"; lessons start at 7pm; La Gross Tete plays at the 9:40 dance http://www.fouronthefloor.com/Events.htm - Wednesday: Whit Smith and Emily Gimble, 6:30 - 8:30 pm, CONTINENTAL CLUB; Jitterbug Vipers at 7:30 pm, LAMBERT'S - Thursday: Austin Swing Syndicate hosts a dance every Thursday at the "Fed" http://www.austinswingsyndicate.org/home/ The Fed is apparently very close to the DoubleTree hotel - perhaps even within walking distance: http://themansion.info/ Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Sun Jun 2 09:15:34 2013 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:15:34 -0400 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130602161533.GJ72625@eschaton.local> It's not too late to set that up for the other nights, is it? If I can't find anyone to game with late Wednesday I'd love to just wander around and see what trouble we can get into^W^W^W^W^Winteresting things are still open. On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 09:57:20 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Well, in the end, I think I just don't know what I want to do. I suppose > I'll decide on the fly! But it's good that we have some actual interest! I > think, for the next YAPC, I'll create an "afterhours" page, and see if we > can get some coordinated events. Hopefully there'll be some locals > interested in helping out, for wherever we end up! > > Fae > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Faelin McCaley Landy > wrote: > > > Hey, don't get me wrong, I love a good jig! That actually sounds really > > fun! I think I'll head over, too. Are you going to the arrival dinner, or > > the anti-arrival dinner? > > > > ~Faelin > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Solomon Foster wrote: > > > >> Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but > >> is on the music calendar: > >> > >> > >> http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ > >> > >> Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm > >> planning to head down and join the musicians. > >> > >> --Sol > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz > >> wrote: > >> > This might be useful: > >> > > >> > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > yapc mailing list > >> > yapc at pm.org > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com > >> HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yapc mailing list > >> yapc at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Chris Nehren Shadowcat Alumnus From sean at quinlan.org Sun Jun 2 10:43:08 2013 From: sean at quinlan.org (Sean Quinlan) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 13:43:08 -0400 Subject: Arrival Dinner at the Hula Hut In-Reply-To: <930023bad3e409d8ddbd9f74c820d37a@mail.oktud.com> References: <056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com> <930023bad3e409d8ddbd9f74c820d37a@mail.oktud.com> Message-ID: And I would love a ride if anyone still has seats. Staying at the dorm. Thanks, Sean On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Adam M Dutko wrote: > I'd be willing to share a cab with other folks who don't want to drive. >> Deb >> > > I am renting a compact car that should fit three more people. > > -- > Enjoy Life! > > -Adam > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cweyl at alumni.drew.edu Sun Jun 2 11:02:05 2013 From: cweyl at alumni.drew.edu (Chris Weyl) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 11:02:05 -0700 Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF In-Reply-To: <51AA0AAE.4070806@mattharris.org> References: <20130601055653.GA18794@shadowspar.dyndns.org> <51AA0AAE.4070806@mattharris.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Matthew Harris wrote: > I would like to talk about: > > If mental health is a disease or is it actually a learned behavior. > Basic nature vs nurture discussion > I think that's a separate discussion, one I'm happy to let the AMA and the folks who put the DSM together handle :) I think what Rick and Duke are talking about is "how do we manage mental health issues when working in a field that depends ~100% on our brain?"[1] Given the stigma still surrounding mental health and how much of an impact it can have on work and life, I think it's an excellent BoF suggestion. For instance: How many of us get migraines and lose afternoons or entire days to them, and how many think a couple tylenol will "make it better"? How many of us are fighting with serious, clinical depression, have at one point, or know (and maybe lost) people with it? How many of us have felt crippled with anxiety over work projects or life issues? OCD? ADHD? Bipolar? How do we create supportive workplaces that both allow us to support and maintain our mental health goals and those of others, while still getting the job done? What do we need to do to make these things complimentary, not competing, ends? The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) is a powerful tool and covers some of these (e.g. migraines), but people cannot and will not get the support and help they need if they feel stigmatized. That can only change when *we* change, and accept that not all personalities and brains work the same way, even our own... and that's OK. -Chris [1] And wicked vim skills, of course. 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But it's good that we have some actual interest! > I > > think, for the next YAPC, I'll create an "afterhours" page, and see if we > > can get some coordinated events. Hopefully there'll be some locals > > interested in helping out, for wherever we end up! > > > > Fae > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Faelin McCaley Landy < > faelin.landy at gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Hey, don't get me wrong, I love a good jig! That actually sounds really > > > fun! I think I'll head over, too. Are you going to the arrival dinner, > or > > > the anti-arrival dinner? > > > > > > ~Faelin > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Solomon Foster > wrote: > > > > > >> Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but > > >> is on the music calendar: > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ > > >> > > >> Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm > > >> planning to head down and join the musicians. > > >> > > >> --Sol > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz > > >> wrote: > > >> > This might be useful: > > >> > > > >> > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > yapc mailing list > > >> > yapc at pm.org > > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com > > >> HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> yapc mailing list > > >> yapc at pm.org > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > -- > Chris Nehren > Shadowcat Alumnus > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Sun Jun 2 12:51:39 2013 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:51:39 -0400 Subject: Nightlife in Austin In-Reply-To: References: <20130602161533.GJ72625@eschaton.local> Message-ID: <20130602195138.GK72625@eschaton.local> Works for me, then. I had wanted to get more than one game in this YAPC. I do Pathfinder as you can see on the wiki, but am fine running whatever so long as I know it reasonably well. On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 14:05:10 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Well, I'm hoping to do Wednesday night gaming! I hope there will be a > goodly number of people! > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Chris Nehren > wrote: > > > It's not too late to set that up for the other nights, is it? If I can't > > find anyone to game with late Wednesday I'd love to just wander around > > and see what trouble we can get into^W^W^W^W^Winteresting things are > > still open. > > > > On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 09:57:20 -0500 , Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > > > Well, in the end, I think I just don't know what I want to do. I suppose > > > I'll decide on the fly! But it's good that we have some actual interest! > > I > > > think, for the next YAPC, I'll create an "afterhours" page, and see if we > > > can get some coordinated events. Hopefully there'll be some locals > > > interested in helping out, for wherever we end up! > > > > > > Fae > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Faelin McCaley Landy < > > faelin.landy at gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey, don't get me wrong, I love a good jig! That actually sounds really > > > > fun! I think I'll head over, too. Are you going to the arrival dinner, > > or > > > > the anti-arrival dinner? > > > > > > > > ~Faelin > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Solomon Foster > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Not exactly the kind of nightlife people have been talking about, but > > > >> is on the music calendar: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/joe-gee-noon-irish-tune-session-1436373/ > > > >> > > > >> Traditional Irish music session at B.D. Riley's Irish Pub tonight, I'm > > > >> planning to head down and join the musicians. > > > >> > > > >> --Sol > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Keith Howanitz > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > This might be useful: > > > >> > > > > >> > http://www.austinchronicle.com/calendar/music/ > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > yapc mailing list > > > >> > yapc at pm.org > > > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Solomon Foster: colomon at gmail.com > > > >> HarmonyWare, Inc: http://www.harmonyware.com > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> yapc mailing list > > > >> yapc at pm.org > > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > yapc mailing list > > > yapc at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > -- > > Chris Nehren > > Shadowcat Alumnus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Chris Nehren Shadowcat Alumnus From jacklupton at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 14:54:45 2013 From: jacklupton at gmail.com (Jack Lupton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:54:45 -0500 Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF In-Reply-To: References: <20130601055653.GA18794@shadowspar.dyndns.org> <51AA0AAE.4070806@mattharris.org> Message-ID: It seems like I've been around mental health issues all my life. I've seen it with friends, family, and co-workers. The recent high profile suicides, including murder/suicides bring to the forefront questions of when do we intervene? how do we intervene? how do we recognize a dangerous situation? Clearly these issues are not being handled well by the mental health professionals and to a certain extent their hands are tied by legal issues. So, we the community, the friends, the family have to be able to step in somehow and help. Sometimes that means being a friend and helping through difficult financial or emotional times, helping to think through faulty assumptions or paranoia, and sometimes to absolutely insist on seeking professional help. So, that's how I saw the discussion developing, but these are tough issues and may well be beyond the scope of an informal lunchtime talk about difficult co-workers. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Chris Weyl wrote: > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Matthew Harris wrote: > >> I would like to talk about: >> >> If mental health is a disease or is it actually a learned behavior. >> Basic nature vs nurture discussion >> > > I think that's a separate discussion, one I'm happy to let the AMA and the > folks who put the DSM together handle :) > > I think what Rick and Duke are talking about is "how do we manage mental > health issues when working in a field that depends ~100% on our brain?"[1] > Given the stigma still surrounding mental health and how much of an impact > it can have on work and life, I think it's an excellent BoF suggestion. > > For instance: How many of us get migraines and lose afternoons or entire > days to them, and how many think a couple tylenol will "make it better"? > How many of us are fighting with serious, clinical depression, have at one > point, or know (and maybe lost) people with it? How many of us have felt > crippled with anxiety over work projects or life issues? OCD? ADHD? > Bipolar? > > How do we create supportive workplaces that both allow us to support and > maintain our mental health goals and those of others, while still getting > the job done? What do we need to do to make these things complimentary, > not competing, ends? > > The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) is a powerful tool and covers > some of these (e.g. migraines), but people cannot and will not get the > support and help they need if they feel stigmatized. That can only change > when *we* change, and accept that not all personalities and brains work the > same way, even our own... and that's OK. > > -Chris > > [1] And wicked vim skills, of course. Just saying. > > -- > Chris Weyl > Ex astris scientia > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reini.urban at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 15:19:43 2013 From: reini.urban at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVpbmkudXJiYW5AZ21haWwuY29t?=) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:19:43 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFByb3Bvc2VkOiBNZW50YWwgaGVhbHRoIEJvRg==?= Message-ID: <51abc500.0f84ec0a.33b9.ffffdd6c@mx.google.com> For these kind of discussions I would recommend professionals, like my wife Mirjam, who actually is here at the YAPC, learning perl. From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jack Lupton" To: "Chris Weyl" Cc: "yapc" Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF Date: Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:54 pm It seems like I've been around mental health issues all my life. I've seen it with friends, family, and co-workers. The recent high profile suicides, including murder/suicides bring to the forefront questions of when do we intervene? how do we intervene? how do we recognize a dangerous situation? Clearly these issues are not being handled well by the mental health professionals and to a certain extent their hands are tied by legal issues. So, we the community, the friends, the family have to be able to step in somehow and help. Sometimes that means being a friend and helping through difficult financial or emotional times, helping to think through faulty assumptions or paranoia, and sometimes to absolutely insist on seeking professional help. So, that's how I saw the discussion developing, but these are tough issues and may well be beyond the scope of an informal lunchtime talk about difficult co-workers. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Chris Weyl wrote: > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Matthew Harris wrote: > >> I would like to talk about: >> >> If mental health is a disease or is it actually a learned behavior. >> Basic nature vs nurture discussion >> > > I think that's a separate discussion, one I'm happy to let the AMA and the > folks who put the DSM together handle :) > > I think what Rick and Duke are talking about is "how do we manage mental > health issues when working in a field that depends ~100% on our brain?"[1] > Given the stigma still surrounding mental health and how much of an impact > it can have on work and life, I think it's an excellent BoF suggestion. > > For instance: How many of us get migraines and lose afternoons or entire > days to them, and how many think a couple tylenol will "make it better"? > How many of us are fighting with serious, clinical depression, have at one > point, or know (and maybe lost) people with it? How many of us have felt > crippled with anxiety over work projects or life issues? OCD? ADHD? > Bipolar? > > How do we create supportive workplaces that both allow us to support and > maintain our mental health goals and those of others, while still getting > the job done? What do we need to do to make these things complimentary, > not competing, ends? > > The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) is a powerful tool and covers > some of these (e.g. migraines), but people cannot and will not get the > support and help they need if they feel stigmatized. That can only change > when *we* change, and accept that not all personalities and brains work the > same way, even our own... and that's OK. > > -Chris > > [1] And wicked vim skills, of course. Just saying. > > -- > Chris Weyl > Ex astris scientia > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reini.urban at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 15:22:49 2013 From: reini.urban at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVpbmkudXJiYW5AZ21haWwuY29t?=) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:22:49 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IGFueSBzd2luZy9saW5keSBkYW5jZXJzPw==?= Message-ID: <51abc5da.6b96ec0a.3b73.7f58@mx.google.com> Actually, bring your shoes to the arrival dinner at at oasis. I heard they offer lot of salsa, may swing also, I hope. From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Erik Rantapaa" To: Subject: any swing/lindy dancers? Date: Sun, Jun 2, 2013 11:04 am I very much enjoy dancing wing/lindy hop, and I would be interested in meeting other conference attendees who are also into swing. Some dancing events I've found going on this week that I'm considering checking out: - Monday night, Thrift Set Orchestra at 9:30 pm, BUTTERFLY BAR (at Vortex Theatre) - Four on the Floor lesson and dance Tuesday night at the "Fed"; lessons start at 7pm; La Gross Tete plays at the 9:40 dance http://www.fouronthefloor.com/Events.htm - Wednesday: Whit Smith and Emily Gimble, 6:30 - 8:30 pm, CONTINENTAL CLUB; Jitterbug Vipers at 7:30 pm, LAMBERT'S - Thursday: Austin Swing Syndicate hosts a dance every Thursday at the "Fed" http://www.austinswingsyndicate.org/home/ The Fed is apparently very close to the DoubleTree hotel - perhaps even within walking distance: http://themansion.info/ Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reini.urban at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 15:23:55 2013 From: reini.urban at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVpbmkudXJiYW5AZ21haWwuY29t?=) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:23:55 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IGFueSBzd2luZy9saW5keSBkYW5jZXJzPw==?= Message-ID: <51abc5fc.e411ec0a.16e6.ffffdad8@mx.google.com> Actually, bring your shoes to the arrival dinner at at oasis. I heard they offer lot of salsa, may swing also, I hope. From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Erik Rantapaa" To: Subject: any swing/lindy dancers? Date: Sun, Jun 2, 2013 11:04 am I very much enjoy dancing wing/lindy hop, and I would be interested in meeting other conference attendees who are also into swing. Some dancing events I've found going on this week that I'm considering checking out: - Monday night, Thrift Set Orchestra at 9:30 pm, BUTTERFLY BAR (at Vortex Theatre) - Four on the Floor lesson and dance Tuesday night at the "Fed"; lessons start at 7pm; La Gross Tete plays at the 9:40 dance http://www.fouronthefloor.com/Events.htm - Wednesday: Whit Smith and Emily Gimble, 6:30 - 8:30 pm, CONTINENTAL CLUB; Jitterbug Vipers at 7:30 pm, LAMBERT'S - Thursday: Austin Swing Syndicate hosts a dance every Thursday at the "Fed" http://www.austinswingsyndicate.org/home/ The Fed is apparently very close to the DoubleTree hotel - perhaps even within walking distance: http://themansion.info/ Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That said, it's not always obvious when someone is having those kinds of thoughts, and a professional can only help if they know theey need to. -- Chris Nehren Shadowcat Alumnus From krishnoid+yapc+rat at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 15:29:17 2013 From: krishnoid+yapc+rat at gmail.com (Krishna Sethuraman) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:29:17 -0700 Subject: We'd like to give up our two arrival dinner slots Message-ID: Chanda and I are meeting a friend in the area and would like to sell/give up our prepaid Hula Hut spots since the dinner is oversubscribed anyway. If you'd like them, please call me and I'll let the organizers know you'll be taking our spots. Thanks, Krishna Sethuraman 408-242-3726 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have fun in our place! > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Sarav?, Renato CRON http://www.renatocron.com/blog/ @renato_cron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.lehmann at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 16:06:41 2013 From: mark.lehmann at gmail.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:06:41 -0500 Subject: I can take three people to hula hut In-Reply-To: References: <056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com> <930023bad3e409d8ddbd9f74c820d37a@mail.oktud.com> Message-ID: <930703597839748828@unknownmsgid> I'm in the TCC first floor lobby. I'm in a green Shelley and blue jeans. From deven at ties.org Sun Jun 2 16:08:00 2013 From: deven at ties.org (Deven T. Corzine) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:08:00 -0400 Subject: Procrastinators Arrival Dinner at Rudy's BBQ Message-ID: For those who have put off planning for the Arrival Dinner, Anti-Arrival Dinner or Anti-Anti-Arrival dinner, I'm organizing a Procrastinators Arrival Dinner -- at the last minute, of course! Since I'm a carnivore, I'll pass on the vegan options -- a friend who lives in the Austin area says that Rudy's BBQ is a great everyday Texas BBQ place, so let's try it! See the wiki page for details: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ProcrastinatorsArrivalDinner Deven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.lehmann at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 16:08:47 2013 From: mark.lehmann at gmail.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:08:47 -0500 Subject: I can take three people to hula hut In-Reply-To: <930703597839748828@unknownmsgid> References: <056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com> <930023bad3e409d8ddbd9f74c820d37a@mail.oktud.com> <930703597839748828@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-3255473865387151779@unknownmsgid> iPhones are creative with spell correction. I'm in a green shirt and blue jeans on first floor of TCC. On Jun 2, 2013, at 18:06, Mark Lehmann wrote: > I'm in the TCC first floor lobby. > > I'm in a green Shelley and blue jeans. From mark.lehmann at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 16:19:26 2013 From: mark.lehmann at gmail.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:19:26 -0500 Subject: I can take three people to hula hut In-Reply-To: <-3255473865387151779@unknownmsgid> References: <056CAA67-FDCA-47FC-9712-91F27A66C264@plainblack.com> <930023bad3e409d8ddbd9f74c820d37a@mail.oktud.com> <930703597839748828@unknownmsgid> <-3255473865387151779@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-4190670552544541947@unknownmsgid> I will be leaving TCC at 6:35pm You can call me at 512 689-7705 ( or iMessage me at the same number). On Jun 2, 2013, at 18:08, Mark Lehmann wrote: > iPhones are creative with spell correction. I'm in a green shirt and > blue jeans on first floor of TCC. > > > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 18:06, Mark Lehmann wrote: > >> I'm in the TCC first floor lobby. >> >> I'm in a green Shelley and blue jeans. From bill at whump.com Sun Jun 2 16:24:07 2013 From: bill at whump.com (Bill Humphries) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:24:07 -0500 Subject: Hula Hut Tickets Available! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll take one of the unclaimed ones. Let me know how best to reimburse. On Jun 2, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Two tickets available for those that want them: Michael McClennen, and Faelin Landy. > > We've decided not to go. Have fun in our place! > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From timothylord at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 16:53:26 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 18:53:26 -0500 Subject: Procrastinators Arrival Dinner at Rudy's BBQ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rudy's is great! About to set off (in 15 minutes) for Mother's Cafe and Garden for anyone who cares to join; we're a small bunch, more welcome if anyone cares to join. Especially people named Tim, since there will be three of us anyhow. Tim On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Deven T. Corzine wrote: > For those who have put off planning for the Arrival Dinner, Anti-Arrival > Dinner or Anti-Anti-Arrival dinner, I'm organizing a Procrastinators > Arrival Dinner -- at the last minute, of course! > > Since I'm a carnivore, I'll pass on the vegan options -- a friend who > lives in the Austin area says that Rudy's BBQ is a great everyday Texas BBQ > place, so let's try it! > > See the wiki page for details: > > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ProcrastinatorsArrivalDinner > > Deven > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Corzine" wrote: > For those who have put off planning for the Arrival Dinner, Anti-Arrival Dinner or Anti-Anti-Arrival dinner, I'm organizing a Procrastinators Arrival Dinner -- at the last minute, of course! > > Since I'm a carnivore, I'll pass on the vegan options -- a friend who lives in the Austin area says that Rudy's BBQ is a great everyday Texas BBQ place, so let's try it! > > See the wiki page for details: > > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ProcrastinatorsArrivalDinner > > Deven > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deven at ties.org Sun Jun 2 17:07:35 2013 From: deven at ties.org (Deven T. Corzine) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:07:35 -0400 Subject: Procrastinators Arrival Dinner at Rudy's BBQ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, nobody has updated the page to indicate they're coming, nor called my phone. Hopefully someone else will show up! I'm wearing a dark grey Linode T-shirt and khaki shorts, my wife is wearing a red shirt and black shorts, and my co-worker is in a pale blue shirt and jeans. Hopefully some other YAPC people will show up and say hi! Deven On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Tim Lord wrote: > Rudy's is great! > > About to set off (in 15 minutes) for Mother's Cafe and Garden for anyone > who cares to join; we're a small bunch, more welcome if anyone cares to > join. Especially people named Tim, since there will be three of us anyhow. > > Tim > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Deven T. Corzine wrote: > >> For those who have put off planning for the Arrival Dinner, Anti-Arrival >> Dinner or Anti-Anti-Arrival dinner, I'm organizing a Procrastinators >> Arrival Dinner -- at the last minute, of course! >> >> Since I'm a carnivore, I'll pass on the vegan options -- a friend who >> lives in the Austin area says that Rudy's BBQ is a great everyday Texas BBQ >> place, so let's try it! >> >> See the wiki page for details: >> >> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ProcrastinatorsArrivalDinner >> >> Deven >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > > > -- > >>>> edges are interesting <<<< > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially people named Tim, since there will be three of us anyhow. >> >> Tim >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Deven T. Corzine wrote: >>> For those who have put off planning for the Arrival Dinner, Anti-Arrival Dinner or Anti-Anti-Arrival dinner, I'm organizing a Procrastinators Arrival Dinner -- at the last minute, of course! >>> >>> Since I'm a carnivore, I'll pass on the vegan options -- a friend who lives in the Austin area says that Rudy's BBQ is a great everyday Texas BBQ place, so let's try it! >>> >>> See the wiki page for details: >>> >>> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ProcrastinatorsArrivalDinner >>> >>> Deven >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> -- >> >>>> edges are interesting <<<< > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully someone else will show up! > > I'm wearing a dark grey Linode T-shirt and khaki shorts, my wife is > wearing a red shirt and black shorts, and my co-worker is in a pale blue > shirt and jeans. Hopefully some other YAPC people will show up and say hi! > > Deven > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Tim Lord wrote: > >> Rudy's is great! >> >> About to set off (in 15 minutes) for Mother's Cafe and Garden for anyone >> who cares to join; we're a small bunch, more welcome if anyone cares to >> join. Especially people named Tim, since there will be three of us anyhow. >> >> Tim >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Deven T. Corzine wrote: >> >>> For those who have put off planning for the Arrival Dinner, Anti-Arrival >>> Dinner or Anti-Anti-Arrival dinner, I'm organizing a Procrastinators >>> Arrival Dinner -- at the last minute, of course! >>> >>> Since I'm a carnivore, I'll pass on the vegan options -- a friend who >>> lives in the Austin area says that Rudy's BBQ is a great everyday Texas BBQ >>> place, so let's try it! >>> >>> See the wiki page for details: >>> >>> http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=ProcrastinatorsArrivalDinner >>> >>> Deven >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >>>> edges are interesting <<<< >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrockway at cpan.org Sun Jun 2 17:10:45 2013 From: jrockway at cpan.org (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:10:45 -0500 Subject: Hula Hut Tickets Available! 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Todd From kzembower at verizon.net Sun Jun 2 20:31:54 2013 From: kzembower at verizon.net (Kevin Zembower) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 22:31:54 -0500 Subject: Contra dancing Wednesday night in Austin Message-ID: <51AC0E2A.4040708@verizon.net> Since someone's already mentioned swing/lindy, there's a contra dance at the Hancock Recreation Center at 811 E. 41st Street, (about 2 miles or 39 minutes walking time north of the campus) sponsored by the Austin Barn Dancers. Starts at 7:30 until 9:45. Free dancing to live music. More information at http://austinbarndancers.org/index.shtml, and a video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeseEpMyqdQ . Hope to see you there. If you have any questions, see me at the conference and ask. -Kevin (kevinz) From ingy at ingy.net Sun Jun 2 22:00:03 2013 From: ingy at ingy.net (Ingy dot Net) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 00:00:03 -0500 Subject: Proposed: Mental health BoF In-Reply-To: <20130602222703.GO72625@eschaton.local> References: <51abc500.0f84ec0a.33b9.ffffdd6c@mx.google.com> <20130602222703.GO72625@eschaton.local> Message-ID: I just found out that my best programmer friend who lives here in Austin and was going to come to YAPC is committed (locked up) to the Austin State Hospital, formerly known as the State Lunatic Asylum. He went radio silent on the internet about 3.5 weeks ago. I would appreciate it if anyone with insight into this would find me at the conference to discuss options for helping him out. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 17:19:43 -0500 , reini.urban at gmail.com wrote: > > For these kind of discussions I would recommend professionals, like my > wife > > Mirjam, who actually is here at the YAPC, learning perl. > > Let the record show that I agreed with Reini on this day. That said, > it's not always obvious when someone is having those kinds of thoughts, > and a professional can only help if they know theey need to. > > -- > Chris Nehren > Shadowcat Alumnus > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So when is a person eccentric, and when is a person insane? see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry , Discuss, not sure if on the YAPC ML or offline. From jrockway at cpan.org Sun Jun 2 22:52:47 2013 From: jrockway at cpan.org (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 00:52:47 -0500 Subject: Late sign in at the dorms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone. I made it here just fine and the front desk folks were super helpful :) On Jun 2, 2013 9:23 PM, "hesco at yourmessagedelivered.com" < hesco at yourmessagedelivered.com> wrote: > I asked and was told that their front desk is staffed 24/7. That of > course is a distinct question from the one you posed. > > Hugh > Sent from my LG phone > > Tommy Stanton wrote: > > >The original page for dorm registration [0] mentions that normal check-in > >lasts until 8 PM: > > > >"Check-in will be held at San Jacinto Residence Hall, 3 PM - 8 PM on June > >2, 2013. If you are unable to arrive during the main check in period, > >indicate your expected date and time of arrival in the ADA Accommodation > >Needs section." > > > >...so it'd be best to try to contact the front desk of San Jacinto Hall > >methinks. > > > >[0] > > > https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/dhfs/conf/nlogon/register/?s_pgm_nbr=HF121301643000 > >On Jun 2, 2013 7:10 PM, "Jonathan Rockway" wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I'm staying in the dorms tonight, but due to problems with my flight, > I'm > >> not going to arrive until midnight. Is that a problem? Where should I > go > >> to check in? > >> > >> --jrockway > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yapc mailing list > >> yapc at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >yapc mailing list > >yapc at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at leto.net Sun Jun 2 23:33:45 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 01:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Proposed: Mental health BoF In-Reply-To: References: <51abc500.0f84ec0a.33b9.ffffdd6c@mx.google.com> <20130602222703.GO72625@eschaton.local> Message-ID: <26094_1370241226_51AC38C9_26094_451_1_CABQG1aQpB7NUP2vS6bK==cN5mELOSgN++nw4mUUipHFOO_XA1w@mail.gmail.com> Howdy, > This post isn't a reply to any particular message in this thread. So when is > a person eccentric, and when is a person insane? see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry , Discuss, not sure if on the > YAPC ML or offline. Thanks for that link! Quite a trove of info. I think the only person who can decide between eccentric and insane is oneself. If you are not happy, seek help. If you are happy, keep doing what you are doing. Yes, insanely happy people are an edge case :) There is a resource called "Blue Hackers" that has valuable information about depression: http://bluehackers.org Duke -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From admin at yapcna.org Mon Jun 3 07:01:54 2013 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:01:54 -0700 Subject: yapc austin livestreams posted Message-ID: Please don't use up all our wifi watching these AT the conference if you're in the same room... http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=TalkVideos Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msouth at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 07:04:01 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:04:01 -0500 Subject: Dancer BOF Message-ID: Hi, we're putting together a Dancer BOF for lunch today. It's on the BOF page on the wiki ( http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SuggestedBOFs ), but we don't have a location yet. If we still don't have a location by noon we'll be meeting at the back of the LBJ Auditorium at noon to figure it out. I've got a "Texas" and "Runs With Scissors" ribbon. mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkeen at verizon.net Mon Jun 3 08:41:38 2013 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: Perl 5 Porters BOF at YAPC In-Reply-To: <20130523224554.20625.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> References: <20130523011458.28976.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <20130523224554.20625.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> Message-ID: <51ACB932.3040108@verizon.net> The Perl 5 Porters lunchtime BOF will assemble at 12:10 pm at the registration tables in the LBJ building. We will make a rapid decision as to location and proceed from there. Interested in contributing to the Perl 5 core distribution? Come to lunch with us today. Thank you very muchn. Jim Keenan From xsawyerx at cpan.org Mon Jun 3 09:14:33 2013 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:14:33 +0300 Subject: Dancer BOF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where is the "back" of the LBJ Auditorium? (and don't answer with "behind the front"! :)) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mike South wrote: > Hi, > > we're putting together a Dancer BOF for lunch today. It's on the BOF page > on the wiki ( http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SuggestedBOFs ), but > we don't have a location yet. If we still don't have a location by noon > we'll be meeting at the back of the LBJ Auditorium at noon to figure it out. > > I've got a "Texas" and "Runs With Scissors" ribbon. > > mike > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xsawyerx at cpan.org Mon Jun 3 09:18:05 2013 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:18:05 +0300 Subject: Perl 5 Porters BOF at YAPC In-Reply-To: <51ACB932.3040108@verizon.net> References: <20130523011458.28976.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <20130523224554.20625.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <51ACB932.3040108@verizon.net> Message-ID: Does it have to be at the same time as other BOF? Can it be Tuesday, maybe? I would love to attend but I also want to attend the Dancer BOF. I'll see if I could change that instead also. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > The Perl 5 Porters lunchtime BOF will assemble at 12:10 pm at the > registration tables in the LBJ building. We will make a rapid decision as > to location and proceed from there. > > Interested in contributing to the Perl 5 core distribution? Come to lunch > with us today. > > Thank you very muchn. > Jim Keenan > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xsawyerx at cpan.org Mon Jun 3 09:18:40 2013 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:18:40 +0300 Subject: Dancer BOF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any chance of changing it from today's long lunch to some other time? There's the P5P BOF too and I'd like to attend that as well. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Sawyer X wrote: > Where is the "back" of the LBJ Auditorium? > (and don't answer with "behind the front"! :)) > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mike South wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> we're putting together a Dancer BOF for lunch today. It's on the BOF >> page on the wiki ( http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SuggestedBOFs), but we don't have a location yet. If we still don't have a location by >> noon we'll be meeting at the back of the LBJ Auditorium at noon to figure >> it out. >> >> I've got a "Texas" and "Runs With Scissors" ribbon. >> >> mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we still don't have a location by >> noon we'll be meeting at the back of the LBJ Auditorium at noon to figure >> it out. >> >> I've got a "Texas" and "Runs With Scissors" ribbon. >> >> mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msouth at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 09:38:41 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:38:41 -0500 Subject: Dancer BOF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Sawyer X wrote: > Any chance of changing it from today's long lunch to some other time? > There's the P5P BOF too and I'd like to attend that as well. > That would be fine with me. What does everyone think about doing this at dinner tonight instead of lunch? mike > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Sawyer X wrote: > >> Where is the "back" of the LBJ Auditorium? >> (and don't answer with "behind the front"! :)) >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mike South wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> we're putting together a Dancer BOF for lunch today. It's on the BOF >>> page on the wiki ( http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SuggestedBOFs), but we don't have a location yet. If we still don't have a location by >>> noon we'll be meeting at the back of the LBJ Auditorium at noon to figure >>> it out. >>> >>> I've got a "Texas" and "Runs With Scissors" ribbon. >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msouth at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 09:43:09 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:43:09 -0500 Subject: Perl 5 Porters BOF at YAPC In-Reply-To: References: <20130523011458.28976.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <20130523224554.20625.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <51ACB932.3040108@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Sawyer X wrote: > Does it have to be at the same time as other BOF? Can it be Tuesday, maybe? > I would love to attend but I also want to attend the Dancer BOF. > > I'll see if I could change that instead also. > Probably easier for us to move the Dancer BOF, since it didn't actually specify a time or place yet. 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URL: From xsawyerx at cpan.org Mon Jun 3 10:10:06 2013 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 20:10:06 +0300 Subject: Perl 5 Porters BOF at YAPC In-Reply-To: References: <20130523011458.28976.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <20130523224554.20625.qmail@lists-nntp.develooper.com> <51ACB932.3040108@verizon.net> Message-ID: THANK YOU. :) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Mike South wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Sawyer X wrote: > >> Does it have to be at the same time as other BOF? Can it be Tuesday, >> maybe? >> I would love to attend but I also want to attend the Dancer BOF. >> >> I'll see if I could change that instead also. >> > > Probably easier for us to move the Dancer BOF, since it didn't actually > specify a time or place yet. I've updated the wiki to reflect that the > Dancer one might happen at dinner on Monday. > > mike, (who isn't even remotely in charge or hosting but updates the wiki) > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM, James E Keenan wrote: >> >>> The Perl 5 Porters lunchtime BOF will assemble at 12:10 pm at the >>> registration tables in the LBJ building. We will make a rapid decision as >>> to location and proceed from there. >>> >>> Interested in contributing to the Perl 5 core distribution? Come to >>> lunch with us today. >>> >>> Thank you very muchn. >>> Jim Keenan >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khaled.hussein at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 12:49:13 2013 From: khaled.hussein at gmail.com (Khaled Hussein) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:49:13 -0500 Subject: movie night status In-Reply-To: <51A65D10.4040703@stemsystems.com> References: <20130524194738.GB5507@panix.com> <1F02DB66-41C3-42DF-AB6F-DD47E68B1853@dwscoalition.org> <940729C7-A1F6-4727-9C2A-D7445FB9EE21@gmail.com> <20130529190949.GC26376@panix.com> <51A65761.8050506@stemsystems.com> <20130529193916.GF26376@panix.com> <51A65D10.4040703@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: Hey guys, It's fast approaching, our Crowdtilted rent out of the Alamo Drafthouse tonight. Just a few last-minute instructions. (1) there are 23 spots left on the Crowdtilt. If you've already contributed, then you can just check-in at the theater where you'll be given your drink ticket. (2) the Crowdtilt campaign will remain open until 8PM this evening, so get yours before it's closed! There will be a limited number of spots available at the door from 9-10PM. (3) The location of the theater is 320 E 6th St. ps. Here is the link to the Crowdtilt campaign: https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/lets-rent-out-the-alamo-drafthouse-during-yapc-for-a-double-header See you there! Best, The Whole Crowdtilt Team :) On May 29, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 05/29/2013 03:39 PM, David H. Adler wrote: >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 03:30:41PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: >>> On 05/29/2013 03:09 PM, David H. Adler wrote: >>>> >>>> Incidentally, you all should get on this. I leave Saturday, and I'm not >>>> bringing the whole list with me. :-) >>> >>> >>> hi dave, >>> >>> can you bring the shorter list i posted? or we can quickly make a >>> subset of that. i am open to you only bringing maybe 10 movies and >>> we can decide there what to play as a double feature. my list was >>> just to get some voting and nothing happened. so if no one chimes >>> in, you and i can be the movie moguls here. >> >> I'll probably just wind up making some executive decisions. :-) > > you had better execute them well or be executed! :) > > president's analyst goes in your pocket! > > thanx, > > uri > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dha at panix.com Mon Jun 3 13:40:35 2013 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:40:35 -0400 Subject: YAPC::NA Bad Movie Night Message-ID: <20130603204035.GA14288@panix.com> People are starting to ask me about Bad Movie Night. The trick will be finding a venue. So, what we now need is someone to wrangle a venue. We're doing Not-Bad Movie Night tonight, so we have Tuesday and Wednesday to work with. If anyone can find me somewhere we can take over for the night, with some kind of video system that I can hook my computer up to (vga, hdmi or possibly even component video). Anyone have any ideas? I suppose we could do it in someone's hotel room, but that wouldn't be ideal. Do the dorms have a common room with a large tv? Anyone? Beuller? dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Truth for authority, not authority for truth! - Lucretia Mott From timothylord at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 14:07:32 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:07:32 -0700 Subject: YAPC::NA Bad Movie Night In-Reply-To: <20130603204035.GA14288@panix.com> References: <20130603204035.GA14288@panix.com> Message-ID: I have a house with a living room and an LED projector (720p, not 1080p, but it looks good enough for bad movies), and if the fellows staying there are alright with it, I would be happy to squeeze some unsafe number of people into there ... But how many people would be interested? My place is 1.5 miles from the conf. center, so not that far. Bigger than a hotel room by a lot, but it's a smallish house rather than a huge one ;) Tim On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM, David H. Adler wrote: > People are starting to ask me about Bad Movie Night. The trick will be > finding a venue. So, what we now need is someone to wrangle a venue. > We're doing Not-Bad Movie Night tonight, so we have Tuesday and > Wednesday to work with. If anyone can find me somewhere we can take over > for the night, with some kind of video system that I can hook my > computer up to (vga, hdmi or possibly even component video). > > Anyone have any ideas? I suppose we could do it in someone's hotel room, > but that wouldn't be ideal. Do the dorms have a common room with a large > tv? > > Anyone? Beuller? > > dha > > -- > David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ > Truth for authority, not authority for truth! > - Lucretia Mott > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hank.sola at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 15:13:25 2013 From: hank.sola at gmail.com (Hank Sola) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:13:25 -0500 Subject: Design automation BOF? Message-ID: <95D1CFEE-E11C-489D-B41C-DC9907C722B6@gmail.com> We have a few folks from NVIDIA and a few from Qualcomm here. If there are any other folks from similar industries we'd like to get together. I'll try to grab a whiteboard after the lightning talks. Otherwise look for me (Francis Sola) with a black tee shirt and a black messenger style bag with a green NVIDIA logo. -Hank From MParris at nvidia.com Mon Jun 3 15:55:13 2013 From: MParris at nvidia.com (Mark Parris) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:55:13 -0700 Subject: Design automation BOF? In-Reply-To: <95D1CFEE-E11C-489D-B41C-DC9907C722B6@gmail.com> References: <95D1CFEE-E11C-489D-B41C-DC9907C722B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Or if you are just interested in finding out more about this industry, join us. -Mark On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:14 PM, "Hank Sola" wrote: > We have a few folks from NVIDIA and a few from Qualcomm here. > If there are any other folks from similar industries we'd like to get together. > > I'll try to grab a whiteboard after the lightning talks. Otherwise look for me (Francis Sola) with a black tee shirt and a black messenger style bag with a green NVIDIA logo. > > -Hank > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dha at panix.com Mon Jun 3 16:10:47 2013 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:10:47 -0400 Subject: YAPC::NA Bad Movie Night In-Reply-To: References: <20130603204035.GA14288@panix.com> Message-ID: <20130603231046.GA2666@panix.com> On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 02:07:32PM -0700, Tim Lord wrote: > I have a house with a living room and an LED projector (720p, not 1080p, > but it looks good enough for bad movies), and if the fellows staying there > are alright with it, I would be happy to squeeze some unsafe number of > people into there ... Thanks for the offer! > But how many people would be interested? My place is 1.5 miles from the > conf. center, so not that far. Bigger than a hotel room by a lot, but it's > a smallish house rather than a huge one ;) I've just started a signup list on the BOF page on the wiki. dha. -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Theoretically, you could add "hyperpolysyllabic" to any word to make it longer and not alter the meaning. - Matthew Mankiewich From toddr at cpanel.net Mon Jun 3 16:39:58 2013 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd E Rinaldo) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:39:58 -0500 Subject: Lost? Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 33391 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timothylord at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 16:45:37 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:45:37 -0700 Subject: YAPC::NA Bad Movie Night In-Reply-To: <20130603231046.GA2666@panix.com> References: <20130603204035.GA14288@panix.com> <20130603231046.GA2666@panix.com> Message-ID: David: Nice to meet you just now. I realize now that Tuesday (the harder evening to plan) is out, because I've volunteered to help tear down the stage etc, and who knows how long that will go. So: (Only slightly) revised offer: My house can certainly hold 20-something people, and can most likely be free pretty much anytime after a reasonable dinner time on Wednesday. I'm tracking down my overnight guests to make sure they'd be OK with that :) But it sounds fun to me, and there is a nice 24-hour coffee shop nearby for anyone interested. Tim On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM, David H. Adler wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 02:07:32PM -0700, Tim Lord wrote: > > I have a house with a living room and an LED projector (720p, not 1080p, > > but it looks good enough for bad movies), and if the fellows staying > there > > are alright with it, I would be happy to squeeze some unsafe number of > > people into there ... > > Thanks for the offer! > > > But how many people would be interested? My place is 1.5 miles from the > > conf. center, so not that far. Bigger than a hotel room by a lot, but > it's > > a smallish house rather than a huge one ;) > > I've just started a signup list on the BOF page on the wiki. > > dha. > > -- > David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ > Theoretically, you could add "hyperpolysyllabic" to any word to make > it longer and not alter the meaning. - Matthew Mankiewich > -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msouth at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 17:00:00 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:00:00 -0500 Subject: Dancer BOF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, we picked a venue, The Mellow Mushroom (groovy pizza place) It's on the wiki, so it must be true, and immutable, and all that. http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Dancer%20BOF Mellow Mushroom 2426 Guadalupe St Austin, TX 78705 (512) 472-6356 Guessing it will be around 8 or so by the time we get over there. They are open until 10. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Mike South wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Sawyer X wrote: > >> Any chance of changing it from today's long lunch to some other time? >> There's the P5P BOF too and I'd like to attend that as well. >> > > > That would be fine with me. What does everyone think about doing this at > dinner tonight instead of lunch? > > mike > > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Sawyer X wrote: >> >>> Where is the "back" of the LBJ Auditorium? >>> (and don't answer with "behind the front"! :)) >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mike South wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> we're putting together a Dancer BOF for lunch today. It's on the BOF >>>> page on the wiki ( http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=SuggestedBOFs), but we don't have a location yet. If we still don't have a location by >>>> noon we'll be meeting at the back of the LBJ Auditorium at noon to figure >>>> it out. >>>> >>>> I've got a "Texas" and "Runs With Scissors" ribbon. >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yapc mailing list >>>> yapc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frioux at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 17:07:51 2013 From: frioux at gmail.com (fREW Schmidt) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:07:51 -0500 Subject: Lost wallet Message-ID: I lost my wallet! It says Arthur Schmidt on it. I'll give you money if you return it :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at cpanel.net Mon Jun 3 19:57:44 2013 From: eric at cpanel.net (Eric) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:57:44 -0500 Subject: The spazmatics are on! Message-ID: 222 6th street Free admission with badge Thanks! --Eric From admin at yapcna.org Mon Jun 3 23:12:14 2013 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 01:12:14 -0500 Subject: Bring Your Games To YAPC::NA Tuesday Morning! Message-ID: http://blog.yapcna.org/post/52122809404/bring-your-games-to-yapc-na-tuesday-morning The YAPC::NA banquet and game night will be happening at The Stage on 6th Street at6:30pm on Tuesday night. If you bring your games (board games, card games, whatever kind of games) to the conference in the morning, they will be shuttled to the Game night just after the Lightning Talks. Immediately after the lightning talks, catch the shuttle in the LBJ parking lot and it will take you directly to game night. Drinks will be served when you arrive and dinner will be served shortly afterwards. Dinner will be catered from Salt Lick BBQ. Not to worry, there will be a vegan option. Have the appropriate amount of fun! From jonathan at leto.net Tue Jun 4 06:59:14 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:59:14 -0500 Subject: Lost? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy, There was also an OmniTI cloth bag with coffee mugs and various other things left in the hackathon room, in case somebody lost that. Duke 2013/6/3 Todd E Rinaldo : > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From jonathan at leto.net Tue Jun 4 07:01:23 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:01:23 -0500 Subject: Design automation BOF? In-Reply-To: References: <95D1CFEE-E11C-489D-B41C-DC9907C722B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Howdy, I would be interested in a GPU/FPGA BOF, but I don't know what "design automation" is and it doesn't sound interesting to me. Duke On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mark Parris wrote: > Or if you are just interested in finding out more about this industry, join us. > > -Mark > > On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:14 PM, "Hank Sola" wrote: > >> We have a few folks from NVIDIA and a few from Qualcomm here. >> If there are any other folks from similar industries we'd like to get together. >> >> I'll try to grab a whiteboard after the lightning talks. Otherwise look for me (Francis Sola) with a black tee shirt and a black messenger style bag with a green NVIDIA logo. >> >> -Hank >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution > is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by > reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Tue Jun 4 07:26:15 2013 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:26:15 -0500 Subject: Lost? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DE501BD-1792-490C-B877-F63F307B1454@shadowcat.co.uk> Not mine. I didn't know we had bags. -- Chris Nehren On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:59, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" wrote: > Howdy, > > There was also an OmniTI cloth bag with coffee mugs and various other > things left in the hackathon room, in case somebody lost that. > > Duke > > 2013/6/3 Todd E Rinaldo : >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > @dukeleto > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From mspinowitz at mediamath.com Tue Jun 4 08:16:32 2013 From: mspinowitz at mediamath.com (Marc Spinowitz) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:16:32 +0000 Subject: MediaMath is here and we are hiring! Message-ID: Howdy, Come on over to Room 2-120 for the job fair or when you have some time and check us out and say Hi and pick up some cool sunglasses or other stuff. I am here all day and would love to talk. Hope to see you soon, Marc Spinowitz MediaMath -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hank.sola at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 08:45:38 2013 From: hank.sola at gmail.com (Hank Sola) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:45:38 -0500 Subject: Design automation BOF? In-Reply-To: References: <95D1CFEE-E11C-489D-B41C-DC9907C722B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suppose I should have said "hardware design automaton". Or EDA. We basically build tools and workflows to help automate the process of designing computer hardware. We did our BOF last night but we can sync up at the dinner tonight. -Hank On Jun 4, 2013, at 9:01 AM, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" wrote: > Howdy, > > I would be interested in a GPU/FPGA BOF, but I don't know what "design > automation" is and it doesn't sound interesting to me. > > Duke > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mark Parris wrote: >> Or if you are just interested in finding out more about this industry, join us. >> >> -Mark >> >> On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:14 PM, "Hank Sola" wrote: >> >>> We have a few folks from NVIDIA and a few from Qualcomm here. >>> If there are any other folks from similar industries we'd like to get together. >>> >>> I'll try to grab a whiteboard after the lightning talks. Otherwise look for me (Francis Sola) with a black tee shirt and a black messenger style bag with a green NVIDIA logo. >>> >>> -Hank >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain >> confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution >> is prohibited. 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Sent from my iPhone From admin at yapcna.org Tue Jun 4 09:31:53 2013 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:31:53 -0500 Subject: The Job Fair Message-ID: http://blog.yapcna.org/post/52146269155/job-fair The Job Fair is underway in Room 2.120 of the Thompson Center. This is a great opportunity to visit the Sponsors and learn about career opportunities available from the many companies. It is also a chance to pick up some of the special swag that the companies have brought along just for you. If you are looking to further your career or to get an understanding of who is hiring, or simply want to come along and thank the sponsors please visit. You can also make a donation to The Perl Foundation while you are there to help them continue to support you, Perl and our community. From admin at yapcna.org Tue Jun 4 09:36:43 2013 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC NA) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:36:43 -0500 Subject: The YAPC::NA Hackathon is still going on! Message-ID: http://blog.yapcna.org/post/52145879803/the-yapc-na-hackathon-is-still-going-on This YAPC we?ve provided a hack-a-thon space for the entire week. Come meet, hack, contribute! Below is a picture of some hard working perl hackers who may need company. You can find the hack-a-thon at Thompson (TCC) floor 2 room 2.122 From druthb at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 12:10:40 2013 From: druthb at gmail.com (D Ruth Bavousett) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:10:40 -0500 Subject: Contra dancing Wednesday night in Austin In-Reply-To: <51AC0E2A.4040708@verizon.net> References: <51AC0E2A.4040708@verizon.net> Message-ID: I am planning to stay longer in Austin *just for this*. I have an LT tomorrow afternoon that will demonstrate just how easy contra dancing is! If anyone is a contra dancer, find me this afternoon, as I could use extra dancers for the demo. (Right now, one gent would fill a set. The dance is Kaynor's "Baby Rose." We'll do ONE repetition during the LT!) --D Ruth B Dancer, not Perl::Dancer On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Zembower wrote: > Since someone's already mentioned swing/lindy, there's a contra dance at > the Hancock Recreation Center at 811 E. 41st Street, (about 2 miles or 39 > minutes walking time north of the campus) sponsored by the Austin Barn > Dancers. Starts at 7:30 until 9:45. Free dancing to live music. More > information at http://austinbarndancers.org/**index.shtml, > and a video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=oeseEpMyqdQ. > > Hope to see you there. If you have any questions, see me at the conference > and ask. > > -Kevin (kevinz) > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We'll do ONE repetition during the LT!) > > --D Ruth B > Dancer, not Perl::Dancer > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Zembower wrote: > >> Since someone's already mentioned swing/lindy, there's a contra dance at >> the Hancock Recreation Center at 811 E. 41st Street, (about 2 miles or 39 >> minutes walking time north of the campus) sponsored by the Austin Barn >> Dancers. Starts at 7:30 until 9:45. Free dancing to live music. More >> information at http://austinbarndancers.org/**index.shtml, >> and a video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=oeseEpMyqdQ. >> >> Hope to see you there. If you have any questions, see me at the >> conference and ask. >> >> -Kevin (kevinz) >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrockway at cpan.org Tue Jun 4 13:23:47 2013 From: jrockway at cpan.org (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:23:47 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning Message-ID: Hi everyone, I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. --jrockway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From druthb at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 14:29:47 2013 From: druthb at gmail.com (D Ruth Bavousett) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: Contra dancing Wednesday night in Austin In-Reply-To: References: <51AC0E2A.4040708@verizon.net> Message-ID: If you're interested in learning enough contra dance to participate in the demo tomorrow, *or* would like to learn more about contra, catch me at the Game Night! The demo folks will be practicing the very-simple moves that make this dance work, and you can have fun learning, too! --D Ruth B Dancer, not Perl::Dancer (not yet, SawyerX...but soon) On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM, D Ruth Bavousett wrote: > I am planning to stay longer in Austin *just for this*. I have an LT > tomorrow afternoon that will demonstrate just how easy contra dancing is! > If anyone is a contra dancer, find me this afternoon, as I could use extra > dancers for the demo. (Right now, one gent would fill a set. The dance is > Kaynor's "Baby Rose." We'll do ONE repetition during the LT!) > > --D Ruth B > Dancer, not Perl::Dancer > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Zembower wrote: > >> Since someone's already mentioned swing/lindy, there's a contra dance at >> the Hancock Recreation Center at 811 E. 41st Street, (about 2 miles or 39 >> minutes walking time north of the campus) sponsored by the Austin Barn >> Dancers. Starts at 7:30 until 9:45. Free dancing to live music. More >> information at http://austinbarndancers.org/**index.shtml, >> and a video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=oeseEpMyqdQ. >> >> Hope to see you there. If you have any questions, see me at the >> conference and ask. >> >> -Kevin (kevinz) >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmac at jmac.org Tue Jun 4 14:38:42 2013 From: jmac at jmac.org (Jason McIntosh) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:38:42 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. > > I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. > > --jrockway > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jason McIntosh http://jmac.org ? jmac at jmac.org ? @JmacDotOrg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denise at dwscoalition.org Tue Jun 4 14:52:38 2013 From: denise at dwscoalition.org (Denise Paolucci) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> Message-ID: <1817AB58-05B3-4CFE-B09A-91EFFF8CEECC@dwscoalition.org> You have to admit, setting up a fake restaurant just to skim CC numbers would be DEDICATION. On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jason McIntosh wrote: > Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. > > Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. >> >> I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. >> >> --jrockway >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > -- > Jason McIntosh > > http://jmac.org ? jmac at jmac.org ? @JmacDotOrg > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Denise Paolucci denise at dwscoalition.org Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join us: www.dreamwidth.org From toddr at cpanel.net Tue Jun 4 14:54:20 2013 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:54:20 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <1817AB58-05B3-4CFE-B09A-91EFFF8CEECC@dwscoalition.org> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> <1817AB58-05B3-4CFE-B09A-91EFFF8CEECC@dwscoalition.org> Message-ID: <13C14B16-ADFF-48ED-AF43-D5E96E112314@cpanel.net> Not to mention their Guacamole with bacon and their chile con queso was rocking. Todd On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Denise Paolucci wrote: > You have to admit, setting up a fake restaurant just to skim CC numbers would be DEDICATION. > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jason McIntosh wrote: > >> Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. >> >> Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ >> >> On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. >>> >>> I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. From nick at cpanel.net Tue Jun 4 14:55:35 2013 From: nick at cpanel.net (J. Nick Koston) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:55:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Credit card warning References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> Message-ID: <02ad53ea.1370382897571@Mail.cpanel.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevan.little at iinteractive.com Tue Jun 4 15:21:22 2013 From: stevan.little at iinteractive.com (Stevan Little) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:21:22 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> Message-ID: <5014B26E-2BC0-4626-8620-5B70ADDD2D7C@iinteractive.com> No, that was the place we ate (I was with Jon), however I am not seeing the same issues on my CC. - Stevan On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jason McIntosh wrote: > Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. > > Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. >> >> I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. >> >> --jrockway >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > -- > Jason McIntosh > > http://jmac.org ? jmac at jmac.org ? @JmacDotOrg > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From stevan.little at iinteractive.com Tue Jun 4 15:22:08 2013 From: stevan.little at iinteractive.com (Stevan Little) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:22:08 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <02ad53ea.1370382897571@Mail.cpanel.net> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> <02ad53ea.1370382897571@Mail.cpanel.net> Message-ID: <72D08284-9579-498A-BB37-51EB2B3C2EB6@iinteractive.com> Might be unwise to accuse the restaurant of stealing his CC without any actual evidence. Just Sayin! On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "J. Nick Koston" wrote: > Sounds like you should make a police report asap to save others from being a victim. > > On 4:52pm, June 4, 2013, Denise Paolucci wrote: >> You have to admit, setting up a fake restaurant just to skim CC numbers would be DEDICATION. >> >> On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jason McIntosh wrote: >> >>> Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. >>> >>> Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ >>> >>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. >>>> >>>> I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. >>>> >>>> --jrockway >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yapc mailing list >>>> yapc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> -- >>> Jason McIntosh >>> >>> http://jmac.org ? jmac at jmac.org ? @JmacDotOrg >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> -- >> Denise Paolucci >> denise at dwscoalition.org >> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join us: www.dreamwidth.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From eric at cpanel.net Tue Jun 4 15:27:18 2013 From: eric at cpanel.net (Eric) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:27:18 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <72D08284-9579-498A-BB37-51EB2B3C2EB6@iinteractive.com> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> <02ad53ea.1370382897571@Mail.cpanel.net> <72D08284-9579-498A-BB37-51EB2B3C2EB6@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: <8D90C385-BAC5-4B92-A280-B84384C1722F@cpanel.net> Howdy, Sounds like a call to the card company and get that card re-issued. (Stating the obvious I know) Thanks! --Eric On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Stevan Little wrote: > Might be unwise to accuse the restaurant of stealing his CC without any actual evidence. > > Just Sayin! > > > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "J. Nick Koston" wrote: > >> Sounds like you should make a police report asap to save others from being a victim. >> >> On 4:52pm, June 4, 2013, Denise Paolucci wrote: >>> You have to admit, setting up a fake restaurant just to skim CC numbers would be DEDICATION. >>> >>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jason McIntosh wrote: >>> >>>> Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. >>>> >>>> Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ >>>> >>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. >>>>> >>>>> I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. >>>>> >>>>> --jrockway >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> yapc mailing list >>>>> yapc at pm.org >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jason McIntosh >>>> >>>> http://jmac.org ? jmac at jmac.org ? @JmacDotOrg >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yapc mailing list >>>> yapc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> -- >>> Denise Paolucci >>> denise at dwscoalition.org >>> Dreamwidth Studios: Open Source, open expression, open operations. Join us: www.dreamwidth.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Tue Jun 4 15:36:27 2013 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:36:27 -0400 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <5014B26E-2BC0-4626-8620-5B70ADDD2D7C@iinteractive.com> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> <5014B26E-2BC0-4626-8620-5B70ADDD2D7C@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: <20130604223627.GA10933@thelackthereof.org> Also, that announcement said they still own the building and were deciding what to do with it. Maybe they spawned it as a separate location. My local peeps love that place. --Brock On 2013.06.04.17.21, Stevan Little wrote: > No, that was the place we ate (I was with Jon), however I am not seeing the same issues on my CC. > > - Stevan > > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jason McIntosh wrote: > > > Oh my. Word on the street is that El Chile moved out of that space last month. So, er, it may be unclear who served you food yesterday. > > > > Cite: http://www.austin360.com/weblogs/relish-austin/2013/may/10/openingsclosings-el-chile-moving-s-first-donns-bar/ > > > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card activity. > >> > >> I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. > >> > >> --jrockway > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yapc mailing list > >> yapc at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > > Jason McIntosh > > > > http://jmac.org ? jmac at jmac.org ? @JmacDotOrg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From darren at darrenduncan.net Tue Jun 4 16:14:43 2013 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:14:43 -0700 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51AE74E3.3070206@darrenduncan.net> On 2013.06.04 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit card. > This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my statement, but > I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they may have nefariously > taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn everyone else who was there > last night to take a look at their credit card activity. > > I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the timing does > feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. Does your credit card statement show only posted transactions or also authorized ones? Credit card transactions don't usually appear on statements until a day or three after you were at the store, so that may be why the restaurant meal wasn't charged yet. In that case, it may have been that any skimming may have happened days earlier, and the fraudulent transactions occurred before you were at the restaurant, and only showed up on the statement after. Also, even if the skimming happened at a particular place, the business owners might not even be aware of it. There is criminal activity going on now where people steal and replace the card readers of businesses with modified versions that send them card data, while otherwise seeming to act normally. Some businesses guard against this, such as by adding special markings to the bottom of the device and checking regularly if they're still there, or otherwise locking down physically or stowing away the device, but not all do. -- Darren Duncan From bill at whump.com Tue Jun 4 16:24:32 2013 From: bill at whump.com (Bill Humphries) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:24:32 -0700 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <1817AB58-05B3-4CFE-B09A-91EFFF8CEECC@dwscoalition.org> References: <4A127B3E-5777-4E75-A839-A123011FFE2F@jmac.org> <1817AB58-05B3-4CFE-B09A-91EFFF8CEECC@dwscoalition.org> Message-ID: <217A0C3A-1980-4A8D-8B0D-4D92E31B2E4A@whump.com> On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Denise Paolucci wrote: > You have to admit, setting up a fake restaurant just to skim CC numbers would be DEDICATION. I want to see this as a plot twist in the next season of ELEMENTARY. ? whump From deb at eximiousproductions.com Tue Jun 4 16:42:53 2013 From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:42:53 -0400 Subject: Smaller joint with amazing beer list Message-ID: If that's what you're into after dinner tonight, I'm planning to head over here: http://aus.gingermanpub.com Feel free to join me! Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kate at thinkgeek.com Tue Jun 4 18:19:35 2013 From: kate at thinkgeek.com (Kate Kirby) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 21:19:35 -0400 Subject: How to get a cab in Austin, easy mode Message-ID: There's an app. Available definitely on iPhone, and I've heard Android (but I have the iPhone.) It's called 'Hail A Cab Austin'. Very easy to register for, then push a button and they dispatch a cab to your current location. It worked, and I am safely back at the Doubletree as we speak. Hopefully this helps a few more of you stranded at the BBQ joint in a strange city. :) -- Kate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yapcna at chromaxs.com Tue Jun 4 18:50:14 2013 From: yapcna at chromaxs.com (Christopher Eades) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 20:50:14 -0500 Subject: How to get a cab in Austin, easy mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51AE9956.8070808@chromaxs.com> This app is very awesome. I've used it a few times now for myself and others. Also, it definitely is available for Android. On 6/4/2013 8:19 PM, Kate Kirby wrote: > There's an app. Available definitely on iPhone, and I've heard Android > (but I have the iPhone.) It's called 'Hail A Cab Austin'. > > Very easy to register for, then push a button and they dispatch a cab to > your current location. It worked, and I am safely back at the Doubletree > as we speak. > > Hopefully this helps a few more of you stranded at the BBQ joint in a > strange city. :) > > -- Kate > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From renato.cron at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 18:59:45 2013 From: renato.cron at gmail.com (Renato Santos) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 20:59:45 -0500 Subject: How to get a cab in Austin, easy mode In-Reply-To: <51AE9956.8070808@chromaxs.com> References: <51AE9956.8070808@chromaxs.com> Message-ID: But on android, there's a issue there! If you are from another country, you cannot install it! On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Christopher Eades wrote: > This app is very awesome. I've used it a few times now for myself and > others. Also, it definitely is available for Android. > > On 6/4/2013 8:19 PM, Kate Kirby wrote: > > There's an app. Available definitely on iPhone, and I've heard Android > > (but I have the iPhone.) It's called 'Hail A Cab Austin'. > > > > Very easy to register for, then push a button and they dispatch a cab to > > your current location. It worked, and I am safely back at the Doubletree > > as we speak. > > > > Hopefully this helps a few more of you stranded at the BBQ joint in a > > strange city. :) > > > > -- Kate > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Sarav?, Renato CRON http://www.renatocron.com/blog/ @renato_cron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 20:03:08 2013 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 22:03:08 -0500 Subject: Smaller joint with amazing beer list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As an endorsement, I really like Gingerman :-) On 6/4/13, Deb Nicholson wrote: > If that's what you're into after dinner tonight, I'm planning to head over > here: http://aus.gingermanpub.com > Feel free to join me! > Deb > From toddr at cpanel.net Tue Jun 4 21:02:19 2013 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd E Rinaldo) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 23:02:19 -0500 Subject: James Morgan: where's your wallet? Message-ID: <4021AB1C-8E10-4A4A-945E-E2F24DAB00E0@cpanel.net> Contact me if you know this person. They don't appear to be an attendee From jerelthompson at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 22:24:19 2013 From: jerelthompson at gmail.com (Jerel Thompson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 00:24:19 -0500 Subject: Smaller joint with amazing beer list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd endorse Gingerman as well. Great pub like feel with hundreds of beers. I had a few friends with me though that were disappointed they didn't have any mixed drinks there so after a few beers we walked across the street to Halcyon (which looks like a simple coffee house) that had some great mixed drinks and deserts as well. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > As an endorsement, I really like Gingerman :-) > > On 6/4/13, Deb Nicholson wrote: > > If that's what you're into after dinner tonight, I'm planning to head > over > > here: http://aus.gingermanpub.com > > Feel free to join me! > > Deb > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Jerel Thompson (952) 426-2280 jerelthompson at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renato.cron at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 22:34:25 2013 From: renato.cron at gmail.com (Renato Santos) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 00:34:25 -0500 Subject: earlier interruption of Lightning Talks! Test::CT Message-ID: Hello perl guys! I speak english very bad, so I'll not enter in the middle of the light talks to say this! I'm writing Test::CT here in YAPC. If you like tests, you may want think with me the best way to expand this module! O objetivo do modulo, por enquanto, ? criar um meio de ter mais testes unitarios pequenos, criar testes de negocios usandos os resultados dos testes unit?rios, ser um pouco mais rapido que os testes e ainda documentar as entradas/saidas. The aim of the module, for now, is: - to create a way to have more small tests unitary, - then use they to create businesses tests (reusing the result of unit testing), - be a little faster than the current tests models, - and further write a "documentation" with the inputs / outputs of the tests. This makes more sense when if I tell the main use case of it! That is what I do most during my work! And this is Catalyst+APIs, where I need the data sent and received from POST / GET / PUT / DELETE. So because I create several tests using Catalyst::Test, things start slowly, even in i7+ssd config, with running tests in parallel, there's wasting time there. Then, in the same way as Test::Aggregate::Nested, Test::CT aggregate tests in (for now, only one) file, creating a all-things.t testing file. This is already working, but just do not have anything useful yet, but you can read more here: https://github.com/renatoaware/Test-CT Probably I will have a version for write the jsons of Swagger working until end of the year (maybe before, maybe i forget about it). Again, i'm @ yapc, I'll enjoy if you find me and discuss the idea! Thanks! -- Sarav?, Renato CRON http://www.renatocron.com/blog/ @renato_cron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bslaabs at ucdavis.edu Tue Jun 4 22:55:34 2013 From: bslaabs at ucdavis.edu (Brent Laabs) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 22:55:34 -0700 Subject: Lost key Message-ID: Hey, I lost a key to the dorms at YAPC:NA. It should be a single key on a keyring with a number 2117 on the plastic keychain. If anyone sees it, please return it either to me, or to the dorms at San Jacinto Hall. They say I will have to pay $75 to replace the lost key. This is for a room with a shower that doesn't produce hot water and a bathroom with no light. Reporting things to the front desk fails to yield any assistance. (UT Dorms)-- Thanks for you help, Brent Laabs (labster) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcmahon at ibiblio.org Tue Jun 4 22:55:57 2013 From: mcmahon at ibiblio.org (Joe McMahon) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 00:55:57 -0500 Subject: Lost? In-Reply-To: <1DE501BD-1792-490C-B877-F63F307B1454@shadowcat.co.uk> References: <1DE501BD-1792-490C-B877-F63F307B1454@shadowcat.co.uk> Message-ID: If anyone happens to spot a gray iPhone-compatible headset with ribbon wires, I lost it somewhere yesterday or today. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Chris Nehren wrote: > Not mine. I didn't know we had bags. > > -- > Chris Nehren > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:59, "Jonathan \"Duke\" Leto" > wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > There was also an OmniTI cloth bag with coffee mugs and various other > > things left in the hackathon room, in case somebody lost that. > > > > Duke > > > > 2013/6/3 Todd E Rinaldo : > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yapc mailing list > >> yapc at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > > > -- > > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > > @dukeleto > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(UT Dorms)-- I'm in the dorms as well, and I find that the hot water in my shower comes on by at least the 10 minute mark. I mean, I haven't timed it, but I have to turn on the water and come back to it a long time later just to get to a passable temperature. Olaf -- Olaf Alders olaf at wundersolutions.com http://www.wundersolutions.com http://twitter.com/wundercounter 866 503 2204 (Toll free - North America) 416 944 8306 (direct) From darren at darrenduncan.net Tue Jun 4 23:39:11 2013 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 23:39:11 -0700 Subject: yapc Digest, Vol 80, Issue 25 (Lost key) In-Reply-To: <034898CB-B40C-4A48-9487-6642BF885136@wundersolutions.com> References: <034898CB-B40C-4A48-9487-6642BF885136@wundersolutions.com> Message-ID: <51AEDD0F.8050008@darrenduncan.net> On 2013.06.04 11:32 PM, Olaf Alders wrote: >> From: Brent Laabs >> >> Hey, I lost a key to the dorms at YAPC:NA. It should be a single key on a >> keyring with a number 2117 on the plastic keychain. >> >> If anyone sees it, please return it either to me, or to the dorms at San >> Jacinto Hall. They say I will have to pay $75 to replace the lost key. >> This is for a room with a shower that doesn't produce hot water and a >> bathroom with no light. Reporting things to the front desk fails to yield >> any assistance. (UT Dorms)-- > > I'm in the dorms as well, and I find that the hot water in my shower comes on by at least the 10 minute mark. I mean, I haven't timed it, but I have to turn on the water and come back to it a long time later just to get to a passable temperature. And in the meantime a large amount of water is wasted. Is that really worth it? These sound like rather sub-standard accommodations. -- Darren Duncan From niall.durham at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 00:30:59 2013 From: niall.durham at gmail.com (Niall Durham) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0500 Subject: yapc Digest, Vol 80, Issue 25 (Lost key) In-Reply-To: <51AEDD0F.8050008@darrenduncan.net> References: <034898CB-B40C-4A48-9487-6642BF885136@wundersolutions.com> <51AEDD0F.8050008@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2013 1:40 AM, "Darren Duncan" wrote: > > On 2013.06.04 11:32 PM, Olaf Alders wrote: >>> >>> From: Brent Laabs >>> >>> >>> Hey, I lost a key to the dorms at YAPC:NA. It should be a single key on a >>> keyring with a number 2117 on the plastic keychain. >>> >>> If anyone sees it, please return it either to me, or to the dorms at San >>> Jacinto Hall. They say I will have to pay $75 to replace the lost key. >>> This is for a room with a shower that doesn't produce hot water and a >>> bathroom with no light. Reporting things to the front desk fails to yield >>> any assistance. (UT Dorms)-- >> >> >> I'm in the dorms as well, and I find that the hot water in my shower comes on by at least the 10 minute mark. I mean, I haven't timed it, but I have to turn on the water and come back to it a long time later just to get to a passable temperature. > > > And in the meantime a large amount of water is wasted. Is that really worth it? The tragedy of the university commons. > These sound like rather sub-standard accommodations. > > -- Darren Duncan Content: my initial experience (Monday am at the dorms) mirrored the above. I was quite surprised when my cold shower became hot. The quality of the dorm room itself and the staff service/friendliness has been excellent, especially wrt the price. The hot water/water wasting and all-too-frequent wireless network disconnections are annoying but not deal breakers. 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Justin On 5 Jun 2013 08:12, "john saylor" wrote: > ** > On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:59:45 -0400, Renato Santos > wrote: > > If you are from another country, you cannot install it! > > > this is interesting to me. i am one of the few without a 'smart' phone, so > maybe you can explain some things to me. > > is it the operating system that prevents it? > is it some kinda guardian process? > and there must be some setting that the phone keeps to identify the > country, right? > and this setting must also be protected in some way, i'd guess ... > > this is a technology conference, right? > > -- > \js > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- This e-mail and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and protected by electronic communications privacy laws. 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After that we could have something to eat in San Antonio. I have a car that can have 7 people, including me. So, 6 people can join me. (Liz is staying here for the hackathon) Let me know who wants to join me. When more than 6 people want to come, we need another person with a car... I am Wendy van Dijk aka Woolfy. I am that giant woman that loves Perl 6 and I walk around with a huge box with 5,000 Tuits from building to building... Greetz, Wendy From heath at perlfoundation.org Wed Jun 5 09:55:20 2013 From: heath at perlfoundation.org (Heath Bair) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:55:20 -0400 Subject: YAPC BOF Message-ID: We are meeting in the cafe in the Joe Thompson building for lunch to talk about this and other YAPCs. Anyone interested is more then welcome to attend. -- Heath Bair Perl Foundation Chairman Conferences Committee From mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com Wed Jun 5 10:01:29 2013 From: mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com (mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:01:29 -0500 Subject: Smaller joint with amazing beer list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're in to beer, I highly recommend The Flying Saucer. http://www.beerknurd.com/stores/austin/beer Thanks, Matthew J Kosmoski / Systems Administrator-Monitoring/Client / Houston IT Services MS 437-100, 2925 Briarpark Dr., Suite 700, Houston, TX, 77042, USA Phone: 713-430-7087 / VPN: 430-7087 / Mobile: 713-254-2802 mjkosmos at rockwellcollins.com www.rockwellcollins.com From: Deb Nicholson To: "YAPC::NA" Date: 06/04/2013 06:43 PM Subject: Smaller joint with amazing beer list Sent by: "yapc" If that's what you're into after dinner tonight, I'm planning to head over here: http://aus.gingermanpub.com Feel free to join me! 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Em 05/06/2013 08:59, "Justin Wheeler" escreveu: > When you set up your Google account you specify your country. I believe > they use that to hide things from the market. > > That said, as a Canadian I've had good luck side-loading apps that are > supposed to be US only and using them in the US or through a US VPN in > Canada. > > Justin > On 5 Jun 2013 08:12, "john saylor" wrote: > >> ** >> On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:59:45 -0400, Renato Santos >> wrote: >> >> If you are from another country, you cannot install it! >> >> >> this is interesting to me. i am one of the few without a 'smart' phone, >> so maybe you can explain some things to me. >> >> is it the operating system that prevents it? >> is it some kinda guardian process? >> and there must be some setting that the phone keeps to identify the >> country, right? >> and this setting must also be protected in some way, i'd guess ... >> >> this is a technology conference, right? >> >> -- >> \js >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain information that is > confidential, proprietary and protected by electronic communications > privacy laws. 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Anyone ran into this situation? -- -- Mike Mike Schilli yapc at perlmeister.com From mrallen1 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 5 11:30:19 2013 From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:30:19 -0500 Subject: Rental Cars and TxTag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The way this worked for me was basically the car rental company tacked on the tolls plus a nice surcharge like 3 or 4 weeks after I turned in the car. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Mike Schilli wrote: > So we went on a couple of toll roads with our rental car, and figured > we'd use the "pay by mail" option instead of turning on the TxTag device > in the car, but low and behold, the TxTag system only seems to allow > payments for registered car owners! D'oh! > > Is there a way to settle the tolls or do I now need to wait until TxTag > sends the bill to the rental car company and passes it on to me with > a surcharge? Anyone ran into this situation? > > -- > -- Mike > > Mike Schilli > yapc at perlmeister.com > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Wed Jun 5 11:51:08 2013 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:51:08 -0400 Subject: Game Night, Redux Message-ID: <20130605185108.GP72625@eschaton.local> I'd like to do some gaming--Pathfinder, preferably, but any kind of tabletop RPG would be cool--in a place that isn't loud, public, and hot. I'm thinking a hotel room or something like that. Any takers? -- Chris Nehren Shadowcat Alumnus From jt at plainblack.com Wed Jun 5 12:08:23 2013 From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:08:23 -0500 Subject: Bridge Command Message-ID: <90E8BCBD-D741-4583-92EA-0A15E52B319E@plainblack.com> Last night many of you wanted to try Bridge Command, but we were already full. Some of us will be playing Bridge Command in the lobby of DoubleTree tonight at 8pm. Come join us if you're interested. JT Sent from my iPhone From dha at panix.com Wed Jun 5 13:15:56 2013 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:15:56 -0400 Subject: Bad Movie Night Message-ID: <20130605201555.GA29748@panix.com> We have a venue. We're going to start at 8:30pm on Wednesday (tonight!). I'll be making an announcement at lightning talks that people should meet me by the stage after the talks to get details. If you're interested, please do so. dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ It didn't bother me before there was a for modifier, and now that there is one, it still doesn't bother me. I'm just not very easy to bother. - Larry Wall From jt at plainblack.com Wed Jun 5 14:23:47 2013 From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:23:47 -0500 Subject: Bridge Command Message-ID: <4369BDD5-482C-43A8-B401-DFE905013DA3@plainblack.com> Two updates 1) it is 9pm not 8pm 2) the address is DoubleTree 1617 Interstate Hwy 35 N ----------------- Last night many of you wanted to try Bridge Command, but we were already full. Some of us will be playing Bridge Command in the lobby of DoubleTree tonight at 8pm. Come join us if you're interested. JT Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -Hank From faelin.landy at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 18:37:38 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:37:38 -0500 Subject: Game Night, Redux In-Reply-To: <20130605185108.GP72625@eschaton.local> References: <20130605185108.GP72625@eschaton.local> Message-ID: Update: I'll be there by 9:30 at the lastest. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > I'd like to do some gaming--Pathfinder, preferably, but any kind of > tabletop RPG would be cool--in a place that isn't loud, public, and hot. > I'm thinking a hotel room or something like that. Any takers? > > -- > Chris Nehren > Shadowcat Alumnus > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msouth at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 18:59:27 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:59:27 -0500 Subject: Game Night, Redux In-Reply-To: References: <20130605185108.GP72625@eschaton.local> Message-ID: I am in the DoubleTree lobby, I have the big bin of games here that I brought last night*. mmmmmmmmmsouth *See "Mike South game list" on game night wiki page ( http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=GameNight ) mike On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > It sounds like there'll be some boardgames in the lobby of DoubleTree, I > don't see why we can't use the same space. > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Chris Nehren < > c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk> wrote: > >> I'd like to do some gaming--Pathfinder, preferably, but any kind of >> tabletop RPG would be cool--in a place that isn't loud, public, and hot. >> I'm thinking a hotel room or something like that. Any takers? >> >> -- >> Chris Nehren >> Shadowcat Alumnus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From protocall7 at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 01:37:29 2013 From: protocall7 at gmail.com (Peter Ezetta) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 01:37:29 -0700 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, I'd like to start by saying I'm very sorry that you had to go through this process, as having your personal info stolen and used against you is never any fun. I hope I'm not intruding on the thread, as I was unable to attend the conference (company only pays for one a year, and we're not a Perl shop, so YAPC lost out). Speaking from personal experience, from having this situation happen to me twice, I'd like to give a few insights. Take it for what it's worth, as obviously, there's criminals out there of all types. -- First, call your bank's fraud dept, and report this asap (obviously). They may want you to stop by a branch and sign an affidavit stating that these charges were not made by you. Next up, file a police report; the local police aren't going to do a darn thing to help you, but that case number you provided just adds to your case (you wouldn't call the cops on yourself if you were just trying to get out of charges you made). At that point, you should have the charges reversed, a new card with a new number issued, and chances are, you'll never hear a word about it again. Now, on to the fun part... Very commonly, credit card theft is a multi-tier system. At some point, you probably encountered a waiter or bar-tender that was less than scrupulous. We are all too accustomed to letting our credit/debit cards out of our sight at bars and restaurants when we run a tab, or leave a card in a ticket book to be run by a waiter. This waiter or bartender will then take your card, run it for your order, and also run it through a skimmer. Most of the time, the transaction you made with the establishment will go through as expected. This puts some degree of separation between the theft and the legitimate transaction. This bartender or waiter will then get paid a flat rate (think $25-50 per stolen card) by another party. When this has happened to me, I have found by searching through historical data, that it is normally followed within a day or two by several VERY small transactions... A dollar here, two dollars there. The point is to make sure that the account is active and has funds without alerting the owner, so the transactions are of amounts that you won't notice unless you're watching carefully. After that, often the card info is sold again to a party who will collect cards until they have enough to convince someone to run a batch. With enough money, its not hard to have 500 cards made with whatever you want encoded onto the mag strips. This is the point, that in my experience, one gets taken to the cleaners. A criminal now has a cloned copy of your credit card in hand. The first time this happened to me, there was an attempted purchase of a 3D TV totaling over $8000. Since it was in a city on the opposite side of the country, my bank noticed and gave me a courtesy call. The second time, someone attempted to make a $30k cash advance against my account at a casino. This was also enough to alert my bank that something was probably wrong, leading to a courtesy call. Tl;dr: It's entirely possible that someone at the restaurant in question swiped your info and went on a shopping spree, but more likely than not, you were compromised sometime in the past, the restaurant transaction is still being processed, and the timing of the whole ordeal was just a coincidence. For what it's worth... hopefully I was at least able to provide some insight, and give you a few places to start looking for foul play. Hope you get it all sorted out quickly! Regards, Peter On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I went to a restaurant last night called El Chile and payed with a credit > card. This morning, about $5000 of fraudulent activity appeared on my > statement, but I wasn't charged for dinner. This leads me to believe they > may have nefariously taken my credit card number, and I wanted to warn > everyone else who was there last night to take a look at their credit card > activity. > > I have no hard evidence that this is what actually happened, but the > timing does feel very suspect, so I wanted to let everyone else know. > > --jrockway > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at darrenduncan.net Thu Jun 6 02:48:31 2013 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:48:31 -0700 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> On 2013.06.06 1:37 AM, Peter Ezetta wrote: > Now, on to the fun part... Very commonly, credit card theft is a multi-tier > system. At some point, you probably encountered a waiter or bar-tender that was > less than scrupulous. We are all too accustomed to letting our credit/debit > cards out of our sight at bars and restaurants when we run a tab, or leave a > card in a ticket book to be run by a waiter. This waiter or bartender will then > take your card, run it for your order, and also run it through a skimmer. Most > of the time, the transaction you made with the establishment will go through as > expected. This puts some degree of separation between the theft and the > legitimate transaction. I've heard this said a number of times in the past, but I think the above notion is either outdated or region-specific now. In the last few years at least, if not longer, I've found, and I eat out a *lot*, that at every store I go to, and I typically pay with plastic for bills over about $10, that the concept of one's card getting out of sight basically never happens at all. In reality / modernity, stores or restaurants always want you to go to the register, or they bring a portable reader to you, and the card is run right in front of you, never leaving your sight. In fact, often you're the one who puts the card in the reader yourself. So if a merchant is participating in a scam, it is happening using their regular card reader, which was probably hacked to steal information, but it works normally in front of the customer who sees the action. Around here I've heard cases of large numbers of stores having their card readers stolen by thieves, or surreptitiously being replaced by a hacked version of the same device, and so a merchant's reader could be stealing info and transmitting it to the thief and the merchant doesn't even know. Some merchants protect against this by keeping an eye on their terminals, or hiding them away when not in use, or marking the bottom with some proprietary sticker or other marking that they regularly check, and whose absense might mean the terminal was replaced. But cards getting out of the customer's sight? Maybe in the past. But with the advent of chip cards which by necessity require the customer to enter a pin for them to be used, the customer has to be at the terminal for the transaction, and chip cards have basically replaced all the cards by now, so having the waiter taking the card out of sight is in the past. Or in regions that aren't up to date, and customers should be wary of any business whose reader doesn't support chip cards, or wants to take the card out of sight. -- Darren Duncan From toddr at cpanel.net Thu Jun 6 06:32:12 2013 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd E Rinaldo) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:32:12 -0500 Subject: Git class moved Message-ID: The git class has been moved to 3.122 From yapc2009 at wendy.org Thu Jun 6 07:06:08 2013 From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:06:08 -0500 Subject: Wooden Nickel visit on Thursday 11:00 - who wants to come along? Message-ID: <584062957250731@otje> Hi all, Today I will go to San Antonio to visit Wooden Nickel, the company that makes the Tuits for all of us. http://www.wooden-nickel.com/ They have a small museum and they want to give us a tour. So we can see the largest wooden nickel in the world. It is my size! I will go to San Antonio today, end of the morning, shortly after 11:00. If you want to join me, go to the TCC conference center, I will wait at the entrance. It is 1,5 hour drive to there, and again back, and I think we will stay some 2-3 hours over there. After that we could have something to eat in San Antonio. I have a car that can have 7 people, including me. So, 6 people can join me. (Liz is staying here for the hackathon) I have 3 submissions. So 3 more people can join us. I am Wendy van Dijk aka Woolfy. I am that giant woman that loves Perl 6 and I walk around with a huge box with 5,000 Tuits from building to building... Greetz, Wendy From jt at plainblack.com Thu Jun 6 07:54:56 2013 From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:54:56 -0500 Subject: Bridge Command Play Testers Message-ID: <58984236-88C4-4F5D-9639-1BC74F89680D@plainblack.com> Many of you were gracious enough to play test Bridge Command over the past few days. Unfortunately I only got your first names. If you would like to be listed as a play tester in the final version of the board game please send an email to jt at thegamecrafter.com with your name as you would like it to be listed. Eight or nine of you also indicated you wanted to buy a copy of the game. Unfortunately, it's still not quite ready yet. However, if you want me to put you on the list to be notified when the game comes available for sale, please let me know that too. From mikefrag at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 08:06:45 2013 From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:06:45 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts Message-ID: Do not wear them to the airport, they set off the scanners somehow. The TSA officer said I was the second person he'd seen today wearing that shirt and giving off a signal near my chest like I had something underneath it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilcoxon at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 08:19:10 2013 From: wilcoxon at gmail.com (Stephen Wilcoxon) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:19:10 -0500 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> References: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: That's only true outside the US. We're still pretty much in the stone age. There are no chip-and-pin US credit cards (and virtually no readers for such at merchants). The closest we come is chip-and-signature which is harder to clone but still has the other issues of non-chip-and-pin. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: > On 2013.06.06 1:37 AM, Peter Ezetta wrote: > > > Now, on to the fun part... Very commonly, credit card theft is a >> multi-tier >> system. At some point, you probably encountered a waiter or bar-tender >> that was >> less than scrupulous. We are all too accustomed to letting our >> credit/debit >> cards out of our sight at bars and restaurants when we run a tab, or >> leave a >> card in a ticket book to be run by a waiter. This waiter or bartender >> will then >> take your card, run it for your order, and also run it through a skimmer. >> Most >> of the time, the transaction you made with the establishment will go >> through as >> expected. This puts some degree of separation between the theft and the >> legitimate transaction. >> > > > I've heard this said a number of times in the past, but I think the above > notion is either outdated or region-specific now. > > In the last few years at least, if not longer, I've found, and I eat out a > *lot*, that at every store I go to, and I typically pay with plastic for > bills over about $10, that the concept of one's card getting out of sight > basically never happens at all. > > In reality / modernity, stores or restaurants always want you to go to the > register, or they bring a portable reader to you, and the card is run right > in front of you, never leaving your sight. In fact, often you're the one > who puts the card in the reader yourself. > > So if a merchant is participating in a scam, it is happening using their > regular card reader, which was probably hacked to steal information, but it > works normally in front of the customer who sees the action. > > Around here I've heard cases of large numbers of stores having their card > readers stolen by thieves, or surreptitiously being replaced by a hacked > version of the same device, and so a merchant's reader could be stealing > info and transmitting it to the thief and the merchant doesn't even know. > Some merchants protect against this by keeping an eye on their terminals, > or hiding them away when not in use, or marking the bottom with some > proprietary sticker or other marking that they regularly check, and whose > absense might mean the terminal was replaced. > > But cards getting out of the customer's sight? Maybe in the past. But > with the advent of chip cards which by necessity require the customer to > enter a pin for them to be used, the customer has to be at the terminal for > the transaction, and chip cards have basically replaced all the cards by > now, so having the waiter taking the card out of sight is in the past. > > Or in regions that aren't up to date, and customers should be wary of any > business whose reader doesn't support chip cards, or wants to take the card > out of sight. > > -- Darren Duncan > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From yapc at perlmeister.com Thu Jun 6 09:07:05 2013 From: yapc at perlmeister.com (Mike Schilli) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rental Cars and TxTag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Mike Schilli wrote: > instead of turning on the TxTag device in the car Fun update: We asked the return guy at the car rental place, he laughed and said that that switch on the TxTag device in the car does exactly nothing. They've removed the protective shield that is going away when the switch gets pulled on all of their cars, which means it's *on* all the time. So, the minute you pass only a single TxTag toll camera, the device will be charged (regardless if the switch is on or off), and the rental place will charge your credit card with a) the toll and b) $2.95 for *each* day of your rental period retroactively to a max of $14.95 per month. -- -- Mike Mike Schilli yapc at perlmeister.com From jonathan at leto.net Thu Jun 6 09:27:21 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:27:21 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Howdy, I highly suggest that everybody always get their "free TSA massage" and opt-out anyway! The Duke promises you: I have studied the nonlinear partial differential equations that are the governing equations of all TSA machines. I always opt out. That gives you about 5 minutes of nice polite one-on-one with a TSA person, who will actually treat you like a human. That is a great time to explain to them that those machines blasting cancerous radiation in all directions at all times and the last thing I would do is stand inside of them. Duke On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dan Muey wrote: > Lead paint? Yeee haw! > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > Do not wear them to the airport, they set off the scanners somehow. The TSA > officer said I was the second person he'd seen today wearing that shirt and > giving off a signal near my chest like I had something underneath it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From jonathan at leto.net Thu Jun 6 09:30:41 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:30:41 -0500 Subject: Wooden Nickel visit on Thursday 11:00 - who wants to come along? In-Reply-To: <584062957250731@otje> References: <584062957250731@otje> Message-ID: Howdy, 1e99 "Thank You's" for giving out so many wooden nickels. Truly. Please take lots of pictures at the museum and have the appropriate amount of fun! Duke On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Wendy van Dijk wrote: > Hi all, > > Today I will go to San Antonio to visit Wooden Nickel, the company that > makes the Tuits for all of us. > http://www.wooden-nickel.com/ > > They have a small museum and they want to give us a tour. So we can see the > largest wooden nickel in the world. It is my size! > > I will go to San Antonio today, end of the morning, shortly after 11:00. > If you want to join me, go to the TCC conference center, I will wait at the > entrance. > > It is 1,5 hour drive to there, and again back, and I think we will stay some > 2-3 hours over there. After that we could have something to eat in San > Antonio. > > I have a car that can have 7 people, including me. So, 6 people can join > me. (Liz is staying here for the hackathon) > I have 3 submissions. So 3 more people can join us. > > I am Wendy van Dijk aka Woolfy. I am that giant woman that loves Perl 6 and > I walk around with a huge box with 5,000 Tuits from building to building... > > Greetz, > Wendy > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From jonathan at leto.net Thu Jun 6 09:36:18 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:36:18 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Howdy, Just for reference, some airports are still using the evil machines. If you value your gonads => ALWAYS OPT OUT. Duke On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Sterling wrote: > ugh, didn't hit send to list *sigh* > > > On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Daniel Sterling wrote: >> >> The rapiscans were retired , they only use millimeter wave scanners now >> >> That said, I always opt out anyway, because if everybody opted out then >> the lines would take forever and everyone would miss their flight >> >> Note I'm not being sarcastic; I truly do always opt out >> >> Except today I didn't because there was no need to opt out because I just >> went thru a standard metal detector instead of the MW scanner >> >> You were allowed to pick your line; the line on the left had the metal >> detector; the line on the right had the scanner. I went thru the line on the >> left >> >> On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: >>> >>> Howdy, >>> >>> I highly suggest that everybody always get their "free TSA massage" >>> and opt-out anyway! >>> >>> The Duke promises you: I have studied the nonlinear partial >>> differential equations that are the governing equations of all TSA >>> machines. >>> >>> I always opt out. That gives you about 5 minutes of nice polite >>> one-on-one with a TSA person, who will actually treat you like a >>> human. That is a great time to explain to them that those machines >>> blasting cancerous radiation in all directions at all times and the >>> last thing I would do is stand inside of them. >>> >>> Duke >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dan Muey wrote: >>> > Lead paint? Yeee haw! >>> > >>> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: >>> > >>> > Do not wear them to the airport, they set off the scanners somehow. The >>> > TSA >>> > officer said I was the second person he'd seen today wearing that shirt >>> > and >>> > giving off a signal near my chest like I had something underneath it. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > yapc mailing list >>> > yapc at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan "Duke" Leto >>> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com >>> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net >>> @dukeleto >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From noirin at apache.org Thu Jun 6 09:36:43 2013 From: noirin at apache.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=F3ir=EDn_Plunkett?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:36:43 -0700 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: I completely agree with you on the opting out, but if you think the TSA scanners are blasting cancerous radiation anywhere, you're misinformed, the TSA are increasingly being trained to rebut that misinformation, and the end result is that fewer people will opt out if they're opting out based on that misinformation. The TSA no longer uses backscatter machines anywhere, and while the millimeter wave scanners do use "radiation", it's non-ionising, non-genotoxic, and just not carcinogenic. You can study all the equations you like, but if you're making things up about the type of technology they're using, it doesn't really matter what the equations say. Noirin On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > Howdy, > > I highly suggest that everybody always get their "free TSA massage" > and opt-out anyway! > > The Duke promises you: I have studied the nonlinear partial > differential equations that are the governing equations of all TSA > machines. > > I always opt out. That gives you about 5 minutes of nice polite > one-on-one with a TSA person, who will actually treat you like a > human. That is a great time to explain to them that those machines > blasting cancerous radiation in all directions at all times and the > last thing I would do is stand inside of them. > > Duke > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dan Muey wrote: >> Lead paint? Yeee haw! >> >> On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: >> >> Do not wear them to the airport, they set off the scanners somehow. The TSA >> officer said I was the second person he'd seen today wearing that shirt and >> giving off a signal near my chest like I had something underneath it. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > @dukeleto > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From noirin at apache.org Thu Jun 6 09:40:52 2013 From: noirin at apache.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=F3ir=EDn_Plunkett?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:40:52 -0700 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Citation needed. The deadline for removing them from all use was 1st June 2013, the TSA says they've met that deadline, and I haven't heard any reports that suggest they might be lying. Noirin On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > Howdy, > > Just for reference, some airports are still using the evil machines. > > If you value your gonads => ALWAYS OPT OUT. > > Duke > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Sterling > wrote: >> ugh, didn't hit send to list *sigh* >> >> >> On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Daniel Sterling wrote: >>> >>> The rapiscans were retired , they only use millimeter wave scanners now >>> >>> That said, I always opt out anyway, because if everybody opted out then >>> the lines would take forever and everyone would miss their flight >>> >>> Note I'm not being sarcastic; I truly do always opt out >>> >>> Except today I didn't because there was no need to opt out because I just >>> went thru a standard metal detector instead of the MW scanner >>> >>> You were allowed to pick your line; the line on the left had the metal >>> detector; the line on the right had the scanner. I went thru the line on the >>> left >>> >>> On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: >>>> >>>> Howdy, >>>> >>>> I highly suggest that everybody always get their "free TSA massage" >>>> and opt-out anyway! >>>> >>>> The Duke promises you: I have studied the nonlinear partial >>>> differential equations that are the governing equations of all TSA >>>> machines. >>>> >>>> I always opt out. That gives you about 5 minutes of nice polite >>>> one-on-one with a TSA person, who will actually treat you like a >>>> human. That is a great time to explain to them that those machines >>>> blasting cancerous radiation in all directions at all times and the >>>> last thing I would do is stand inside of them. >>>> >>>> Duke >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dan Muey wrote: >>>> > Lead paint? Yeee haw! >>>> > >>>> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Do not wear them to the airport, they set off the scanners somehow. The >>>> > TSA >>>> > officer said I was the second person he'd seen today wearing that shirt >>>> > and >>>> > giving off a signal near my chest like I had something underneath it. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > yapc mailing list >>>> > yapc at pm.org >>>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan "Duke" Leto >>>> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com >>>> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net >>>> @dukeleto >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yapc mailing list >>>> yapc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > @dukeleto > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From rluedtke at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 09:43:27 2013 From: rluedtke at gmail.com (Robert Luedtke) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:43:27 -0500 Subject: Wooden Nickel visit on Thursday 11:00 - who wants to come along? In-Reply-To: References: <584062957250731@otje> Message-ID: Hello Wendy and all, I really wanted to do this today with you, but I had some family stuff come up that I need to deal with now. Have a great trip, lots of fun and a safe return. All the best, RL On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > Howdy, > > 1e99 "Thank You's" for giving out so many wooden nickels. Truly. > > Please take lots of pictures at the museum and have the appropriate > amount of fun! > > Duke > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Wendy van Dijk wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Today I will go to San Antonio to visit Wooden Nickel, the company that > > makes the Tuits for all of us. > > http://www.wooden-nickel.com/ > > > > They have a small museum and they want to give us a tour. So we can see > the > > largest wooden nickel in the world. It is my size! > > > > I will go to San Antonio today, end of the morning, shortly after 11:00. > > If you want to join me, go to the TCC conference center, I will wait at > the > > entrance. > > > > It is 1,5 hour drive to there, and again back, and I think we will stay > some > > 2-3 hours over there. After that we could have something to eat in San > > Antonio. > > > > I have a car that can have 7 people, including me. So, 6 people can join > > me. (Liz is staying here for the hackathon) > > I have 3 submissions. So 3 more people can join us. > > > > I am Wendy van Dijk aka Woolfy. I am that giant woman that loves Perl 6 > and > > I walk around with a huge box with 5,000 Tuits from building to > building... > > > > Greetz, > > Wendy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > @dukeleto > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From druthb at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 09:44:49 2013 From: druthb at gmail.com (D Ruth Bavousett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:44:49 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Enjoy your privilege, folks. Being a person with a bionic leg, I rarely ever get the *opportunity* to opt for what happens. I get the thorough groping just about everywhere. I've gotten that treatment every time I've flown since way, way before TSA even existed, and even been asked to *remove my leg*. Being a transwoman these days makes it worse; it just confuses them, and I occasionally have to point loudly at my passport and note that I don't wish for a man to do that groping. The two times I've not gotten that gropey ("the TSA massage"--*snrk*) treatment was when I went through an MW scanner. I'll take that trade, thanks. -DRB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at leto.net Thu Jun 6 09:45:37 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:45:37 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps Message-ID: Howdy, I was very proud that BrewPony.com could sponsor YAPC::NA this year. Booyah! My business completely relies on Perl in the middle and backend, and that is why I give back: Promo code: YAPCNA will get you 10% off anything on BrewPony.com, including one month trials/gifts (to send to your Dad for Father's day coming up next week?) and ALL subscriptions. This promo code will self-destruct tonight (12pm PST), so decide by then :) Amazing whole bean artisan coffee delivered to your mailbox. All of you lazy coders know you want it. The Duke woke up to find he was completely out of coffee one day, and being an irrational man, I thought: I must fix this problem once and for all. And so BrewPony.com was born. https://twitter.com/brewpony https://www.facebook.com/brewpony Duke PS: Currently BrewPony can only ship to the US. If you want to know when BrewPony can ship international, please contact me off list. Also, if you want to get an even better deal by having me ship a bunch of coffee directly to your company/office, let me know. -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From noirin at apache.org Thu Jun 6 10:09:10 2013 From: noirin at apache.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=F3ir=EDn_Plunkett?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:09:10 -0700 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM, D Ruth Bavousett wrote: > Enjoy your privilege, folks. > > Being a person with a bionic leg, I rarely ever get the *opportunity* to opt > for what happens. Ironically (?), the times I've been *least* thoroughly screened have all been when I was using a wheelchair. > I get the thorough groping just about everywhere. I've never had a genuinely thorough screening in the USA. Personally, I would choose (and advocate) opting-out even if I did, but part of what makes me furious about the TSA is that they do screen people differently based on characteristics that have nothing to do with the actual risks they're trying to prevent. > I've gotten that treatment every time I've flown since way, way before TSA even > existed, and even been asked to *remove my leg*. !!! :-( (I have no words. That is thoroughly not ok.) > Being a transwoman these > days makes it worse; it just confuses them, and I occasionally have to point > loudly at my passport and note that I don't wish for a man to do that > groping. ibid. N From jonathan at leto.net Thu Jun 6 10:10:55 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:10:55 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Howdy, I don't require citations to make me do very slightly inconvenient things that completely remove a potential risk that nobody currently understands. Especially if that risk is a higher risk of cancer. And N?ir?n : If you can tell me the governing equations, which take into account the electromagnetic force in full detail, I might give you a reference ;) Perhaps over a beer at the next PDX Hackathon... Duke On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM, N?ir?n Plunkett wrote: > Citation needed. The deadline for removing them from all use was 1st > June 2013, the TSA says they've met that deadline, and I haven't heard > any reports that suggest they might be lying. > > Noirin > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Just for reference, some airports are still using the evil machines. >> >> If you value your gonads => ALWAYS OPT OUT. >> >> Duke >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Sterling >> wrote: >>> ugh, didn't hit send to list *sigh* >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Daniel Sterling wrote: >>>> >>>> The rapiscans were retired , they only use millimeter wave scanners now >>>> >>>> That said, I always opt out anyway, because if everybody opted out then >>>> the lines would take forever and everyone would miss their flight >>>> >>>> Note I'm not being sarcastic; I truly do always opt out >>>> >>>> Except today I didn't because there was no need to opt out because I just >>>> went thru a standard metal detector instead of the MW scanner >>>> >>>> You were allowed to pick your line; the line on the left had the metal >>>> detector; the line on the right had the scanner. I went thru the line on the >>>> left >>>> >>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Howdy, >>>>> >>>>> I highly suggest that everybody always get their "free TSA massage" >>>>> and opt-out anyway! >>>>> >>>>> The Duke promises you: I have studied the nonlinear partial >>>>> differential equations that are the governing equations of all TSA >>>>> machines. >>>>> >>>>> I always opt out. That gives you about 5 minutes of nice polite >>>>> one-on-one with a TSA person, who will actually treat you like a >>>>> human. That is a great time to explain to them that those machines >>>>> blasting cancerous radiation in all directions at all times and the >>>>> last thing I would do is stand inside of them. >>>>> >>>>> Duke >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dan Muey wrote: >>>>> > Lead paint? Yeee haw! >>>>> > >>>>> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Do not wear them to the airport, they set off the scanners somehow. The >>>>> > TSA >>>>> > officer said I was the second person he'd seen today wearing that shirt >>>>> > and >>>>> > giving off a signal near my chest like I had something underneath it. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > yapc mailing list >>>>> > yapc at pm.org >>>>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jonathan "Duke" Leto >>>>> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com >>>>> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net >>>>> @dukeleto >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> yapc mailing list >>>>> yapc at pm.org >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan "Duke" Leto >> Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com >> 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net >> @dukeleto >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From druthb at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 10:18:52 2013 From: druthb at gmail.com (D Ruth Bavousett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:18:52 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:09 PM, N?ir?n Plunkett wrote: > > Being a person with a bionic leg, I rarely ever get the *opportunity* to > opt > > for what happens. > > Ironically (?), the times I've been *least* thoroughly screened have > all been when I was using a wheelchair. Me too, oddly. By "least thoroughly," I mean that they were actually reasonably polite about it. But see below. > > I get the thorough groping just about everywhere. > > I've never had a genuinely thorough screening in the USA. Personally, > I would choose (and advocate) opting-out even if I did, but part of > what makes me furious about the TSA is that they do screen people > differently based on characteristics that have nothing to do with the > actual risks they're trying to prevent. Exactly. I've seen elderly cancer patients be asked to remove wigs, get out of wheelchairs and stand up (unaided), and all sorts of other madness. These folks have semi-absolute power over whether or not you get on that plane, and, well..."absolute power..." *shrug* > > I've gotten that treatment every time I've flown since way, way before > TSA even > > existed, and even been asked to *remove my leg*. > > !!! :-( > > (I have no words. That is thoroughly not ok.) > Correct, and in the US, it is, in fact, an unlawful request--but that doesn't mean they don't *make* it, it just means I've got backing when I kick about it. Not so, when I traveled to India. At the Mumbai airport, when a small brown woman with a rifle over her shoulder asks you to remove your leg...you remove your leg, and stand there on one foot weeping while all the other women in the women-only line--mostly beautiful flight attendants in beautiful saris--just stare at the ugly duckling who's holding up the works. > Being a transwoman these > > days makes it worse; it just confuses them, and I occasionally have to > point > > loudly at my passport and note that I don't wish for a man to do that > > groping. > > ibid. > TSA actually has *procedures in place* to cope with both disabled and transgender travelers, and at *most* major airports, I don't get in a lot of mischief. But small regionals can be a problem, because their method of "training" such persons is to pin a note on a bulletin board or something. Having a passport as opposed to a drivers' license to show, and having that match what you need it to, is a Big Help, espeically if that passport has some non-blank pages. --DRB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at cpanel.net Thu Jun 6 10:20:22 2013 From: dan at cpanel.net (Dan Muey - cPanel Developer) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:20:22 -0500 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <7F38BB8B-5CF5-4642-B5C6-D6EF0E698BB9@cpanel.net> > I've never had a genuinely thorough screening in the USA. Personally, > I would choose (and advocate) opting-out even if I did, but part of > what makes me furious about the TSA is that they do screen people > differently based on characteristics that have nothing to do with the > actual risks they're trying to prevent. They are really inconsistent. Last week we went through IAH without having to take the light saber out of the 4' box (they just dusted the box with a detecto-cloth post-xray), in Orange County they made us unpackage it completely One TSA guy thought it was neat but the lady checking it out was not amused. From noirin at apache.org Thu Jun 6 10:23:34 2013 From: noirin at apache.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=F3ir=EDn_Plunkett?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:23:34 -0700 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4CC7D-8A1B-4CB4-873E-5F9F0E3A0C6E@cpanel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > Howdy, > > I don't require citations to make me do very slightly inconvenient > things that completely remove a potential risk that nobody currently > understands. Especially if that risk is a higher risk of cancer. I requested a citation for your assertion that some airports were still using backscatter machines. I can happily provide citations that assert that opting out does not "completely remove" a potential risk (there are many potential risks to air travel, including potential radiation risks), and that millimeter wave radiation is non-ionising and non-genotoxic. > And N?ir?n : If you can tell me the governing equations, which take > into account the electromagnetic force in full detail, I might give > you a reference ;) They're the microscopic Maxwell equations. I've taught them at undergraduate level, and if you think they can be explained in full detail in an email, or taught over a beer, you clearly have significantly more free time than I have. N From jay at endevver.com Thu Jun 6 10:27:12 2013 From: jay at endevver.com (Jay Allen) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: <7F38BB8B-5CF5-4642-B5C6-D6EF0E698BB9@cpanel.net> References: <7F38BB8B-5CF5-4642-B5C6-D6EF0E698BB9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <1370539631842.15502ea2@Nodemailer> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Dan Muey - cPanel Developer > wrote: ?Last week we went through IAH without having to take the light saber out of the 4' box (they just dusted the box with a detecto-cloth post-xray), in Orange County they made us unpackage it completely One TSA guy thought it was neat but the lady checking it out was not amused.? Wait...is it a fully-operational light saber? Because if so, you're burying the lede... Jay Allen Principal, Endevver LLC http://endevver.com (415) 702-0045 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This promo code will self-destruct tonight > (12pm PST), so decide by then :) > > Amazing whole bean artisan coffee delivered to your mailbox. All of > you lazy coders know you want it. The Duke woke up to find he was > completely out of coffee one day, and being an irrational man, I > thought: I must fix this problem once and for all. And so BrewPony.com > was born. > > https://twitter.com/brewpony > https://www.facebook.com/brewpony > > Duke > > PS: Currently BrewPony can only ship to the US. If you want to know > when BrewPony can ship international, please contact me off list. > Also, if you want to get an even better deal by having me ship a bunch > of coffee directly to your company/office, let me know. > > > -- > Jonathan "Duke" Leto > Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com > 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net > @dukeleto > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because if so, you're burying the lede... haha, yep, well not ?real? like I can slice through stuff but real as in the really nice ones they don't sell in the toy isle. They look awesome in photos and we were taking pictures w/ Princess Leia. From toddr at cpanel.net Thu Jun 6 10:44:48 2013 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:44:48 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a conference mailing list. > > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your system to spam your participants. John, This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on this list that makes it impractical to change that. An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about official organizer / TPF announcements. Todd From john at crowdtilt.com Thu Jun 6 10:45:32 2013 From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:45:32 -0700 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote: > On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > > > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a > conference mailing list. > > > > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your > system to spam your participants. > > John, > > This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the > conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on > this list that makes it impractical to change that. > > An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not > wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about > official organizer / TPF announcements. > > Todd > > -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jerry.gay at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 10:57:31 2013 From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:57:31 -0700 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: brewpony is a Sponsor of yapc this year. certainly one of the points of sponsorship is to market products and services to attendees. that relationship should not need to be explicitly defined. i find it difficult to imagine anyone could reasonably think otherwise. On Jun 6, 2013 12:46 PM, "John Haugeland" wrote: > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by mail > order, and had nothing to do with the conference. > > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote: > >> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> >> > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a >> conference mailing list. >> > >> > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your >> system to spam your participants. >> >> John, >> >> This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the >> conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on >> this list that makes it impractical to change that. >> >> An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not >> wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about >> official organizer / TPF announcements. >> >> Todd >> >> > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tracey at cpanel.net Thu Jun 6 10:57:42 2013 From: tracey at cpanel.net (Tracey Clark) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:57:42 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial messages on it. On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. > > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. - -- Tracey Clark QA Department cPanel, Inc. http://www.cpanel.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= =ks3e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan at leto.net Thu Jun 6 10:58:43 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:58:43 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Howdy, Respectfully, many sponsors were blatantly advertising everywhere and anywhere throughout the entire conference. You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks? If you don't like it, unsubscribe and perhaps look into why you are so bitter, angry and unhappy. And possibly eat a tasty ice pick with a side of sand to wash it down. Duke On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by mail > order, and had nothing to do with the conference. > > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >> >> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> >> > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a >> > conference mailing list. >> > >> > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your >> > system to spam your participants. >> >> John, >> >> This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the >> conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on this >> list that makes it impractical to change that. >> >> An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not >> wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about >> official organizer / TPF announcements. >> >> Todd >> > > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From john at crowdtilt.com Thu Jun 6 11:00:04 2013 From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:00:04 -0700 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: At no point did I give permission to be spammed by conference sponsors. It is not for the conference to allow people to send sales messages to my work email. This is also a violation of CAN-SPAM. Please remove me from this email list. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, jerry gay wrote: > brewpony is a Sponsor of yapc this year. certainly one of the points of > sponsorship is to market products and services to attendees. that > relationship should not need to be explicitly defined. i find it difficult > to imagine anyone could reasonably think otherwise. > On Jun 6, 2013 12:46 PM, "John Haugeland" wrote: > >> Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by >> mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >> >> I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >> >>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >>> >>> > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a >>> conference mailing list. >>> > >>> > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your >>> system to spam your participants. >>> >>> John, >>> >>> This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the >>> conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on >>> this list that makes it impractical to change that. >>> >>> An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not >>> wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about >>> official organizer / TPF announcements. >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> John Haugeland >> Crowdtilt is what I do >> Connect with me on LinkedIn >> >> Check out our recent press! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcaputo at pobox.com Thu Jun 6 11:03:34 2013 From: rcaputo at pobox.com (Rocco Caputo) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:03:34 -0400 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 6, 2013, at 13:37, John Haugeland wrote: > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a conference mailing list. > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: >> >> I was very proud that BrewPony.com could sponsor YAPC::NA this year. Booyah! >> >> My business completely relies on Perl in the middle and backend, and >> that is why I give back: >> >> Promo code: YAPCNA BrewPony helped subsidize YAPC. Everyone who consumed YAPC resources also benefitted from their sponsorship. It might cause less fuss if sponsors printed their promotional materials on dead trees and included those in the conference handouts. E-swag appears to be too ahead of its time. > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > [Link to Crowdtilt elided] [Link to LinkedIn profile elided] [Link to press releases elided] If you're going to hurl UCE stones at sponsors, not plastering them with your own unsolicited advertisements would be a more tasteful approach. -- Rocco Caputo From john at crowdtilt.com Thu Jun 6 11:05:30 2013 From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Advertising in the conference is very different than sending me email. Zero other conference sponsors have done this, I suspect because they know how angry it makes people. . > "You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks?" Yeah, I didn't really take any of those, and all rationalizations aside, United States law does not permit this. I would not accept a free coca cola in exchange for work email spam, besides. . I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. It has begun spamming, and trying to explain why spamming is okay, even though I never actually gave permission to be contacted with sales email. After the fact rationalizations are not interesting to me; I never gave permission, and that is the line the law draws in the sand. Thank you for understanding. This is not a choice others may make on my behalf, even if they are certain that there's nothing wrong. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tracey Clark wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and > tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive > unsolicited commercial messages on it. > > On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee > > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. > > > > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. > > - -- > Tracey Clark > QA Department > cPanel, Inc. > http://www.cpanel.net > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV > MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ > ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt > X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs > FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal > flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= > =ks3e > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westerman at purdue.edu Thu Jun 6 11:13:59 2013 From: westerman at purdue.edu (Rick Westerman) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> > I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. For a bunch of techies I find it interesting that there are number of 'please unsubscribe me' requests on this list. At least 3 so far. If *we*, as techs, can't navigate to a simple web page and fill out a simple form then what hope do our customers/users have? (BTW: Just more flame-bait to distract from the recent spate of TSA and coffee-shop bashing. :-( What is it about post-conference that seems to be putting people on edge?) (BTW#2: Despite the high level of chit-chat on the list I appreciated all of the email. That plus looking at some of the live streams made me feel like I was part of the conference.) -- Rick Westerman westerman at purdue.edu Bioinformatics specialist at the Genomics Facility. Phone: (765) 494-0505 FAX: (765) 496-7255 Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture 625 Agriculture Mall Drive West Lafayette, IN 47907-2010 Physically located in room S049, WSLR building From finkel.matt at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 11:14:19 2013 From: finkel.matt at gmail.com (Matt Finkel) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:14:19 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: This is getting ridiculous. I'm saddened to see adults act like children, especially after such an amazing conference. I'm embarrassed for our community when we act this way. "And possibly eat a tasty ice pick with a side of sand to wash it down." In what way is that constructive? The mailing list clearly has problems (I'm not happy with the SNR either), and as previously stated, they will be addressed next year. We all heard Larry's talk. Pointless bickering spits in the face of what he was getting at. Respect one another. *This shouldn't be so difficult.* "an implementation should be conservative in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior" On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > At no point did I give permission to be spammed by conference sponsors. > It is not for the conference to allow people to send sales messages to my > work email. This is also a violation of CAN-SPAM. > > Please remove me from this email list. > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, jerry gay wrote: > >> brewpony is a Sponsor of yapc this year. certainly one of the points of >> sponsorship is to market products and services to attendees. that >> relationship should not need to be explicitly defined. i find it difficult >> to imagine anyone could reasonably think otherwise. >> On Jun 6, 2013 12:46 PM, "John Haugeland" wrote: >> >>> Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by >>> mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >>> >>> I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >>>> >>>> > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a >>>> conference mailing list. >>>> > >>>> > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your >>>> system to spam your participants. >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the >>>> conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on >>>> this list that makes it impractical to change that. >>>> >>>> An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do >>>> not wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about >>>> official organizer / TPF announcements. >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Haugeland >>> Crowdtilt is what I do >>> Connect with me on LinkedIn >>> >>> Check out our recent press! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >> > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Matthew Finkel mfinkel.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com Thu Jun 6 11:16:09 2013 From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:16:09 -0400 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> Message-ID: So, how was YAPC? Any interesting talks? On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > Advertising in the conference is very different than sending me email. > Zero other conference sponsors have done this, I suspect because they know > how angry it makes people. > > . > > > "You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets > paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks?" > > Yeah, I didn't really take any of those, and all rationalizations aside, > United States law does not permit this. > > I would not accept a free coca cola in exchange for work email spam, > besides. > > . > > I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. It has begun > spamming, and trying to explain why spamming is okay, even though I never > actually gave permission to be contacted with sales email. After the fact > rationalizations are not interesting to me; I never gave permission, and > that is the line the law draws in the sand. > > Thank you for understanding. This is not a choice others may make on my > behalf, even if they are certain that there's nothing wrong. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tracey Clark wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and >> tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive >> unsolicited commercial messages on it. >> >> On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee >> > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >> > >> > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >> >> - -- >> Tracey Clark >> QA Department >> cPanel, Inc. >> http://www.cpanel.net >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV >> MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ >> ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt >> X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs >> FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal >> flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= >> =ks3e >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable , Host of Columbus Code Jam www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com Perl Advent Planet - Advent Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete.clark at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 11:19:45 2013 From: pete.clark at gmail.com (Pete Clark) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1370542784393.d2a6d452@Nodemailer> ... Mostly just arguments about coffee.? -- petec On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Len Jaffe wrote: > So, how was YAPC? > Any interesting talks? > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> Advertising in the conference is very different than sending me email. >> Zero other conference sponsors have done this, I suspect because they know >> how angry it makes people. >> >> . >> >> > "You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets >> paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks?" >> >> Yeah, I didn't really take any of those, and all rationalizations aside, >> United States law does not permit this. >> >> I would not accept a free coca cola in exchange for work email spam, >> besides. >> >> . >> >> I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. It has begun >> spamming, and trying to explain why spamming is okay, even though I never >> actually gave permission to be contacted with sales email. After the fact >> rationalizations are not interesting to me; I never gave permission, and >> that is the line the law draws in the sand. >> >> Thank you for understanding. This is not a choice others may make on my >> behalf, even if they are certain that there's nothing wrong. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tracey Clark wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and >>> tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive >>> unsolicited commercial messages on it. >>> >>> On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >>> > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee >>> > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >>> > >>> > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >>> >>> - -- >>> Tracey Clark >>> QA Department >>> cPanel, Inc. >>> http://www.cpanel.net >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>> >>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV >>> MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ >>> ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt >>> X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs >>> FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal >>> flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= >>> =ks3e >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> John Haugeland >> Crowdtilt is what I do >> Connect with me on LinkedIn >> >> Check out our recent press! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > -- > lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe > Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable , > Host of Columbus Code Jam > www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com > Perl Advent Planet - Advent > Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at crowdtilt.com Thu Jun 6 11:23:08 2013 From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:23:08 -0700 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <1370542784393.d2a6d452@Nodemailer> References: <1370542784393.d2a6d452@Nodemailer> Message-ID: I do not feel that politely asking to be removed from a mailing list over unwanted spam is bickering. YMMV. Thank you for a fun conference. I will attend next year, but I think I will keep my work email private in the future. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Pete Clark wrote: > ... Mostly just arguments about coffee. > -- > petec > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Len Jaffe wrote: > >> So, how was YAPC? >> Any interesting talks? >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> >>> Advertising in the conference is very different than sending me email. >>> Zero other conference sponsors have done this, I suspect because they know >>> how angry it makes people. >>> >>> . >>> >>> > "You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets >>> paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks?" >>> >>> Yeah, I didn't really take any of those, and all rationalizations aside, >>> United States law does not permit this. >>> >>> I would not accept a free coca cola in exchange for work email spam, >>> besides. >>> >>> . >>> >>> I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. It has >>> begun spamming, and trying to explain why spamming is okay, even though I >>> never actually gave permission to be contacted with sales email. After the >>> fact rationalizations are not interesting to me; I never gave permission, >>> and that is the line the law draws in the sand. >>> >>> Thank you for understanding. This is not a choice others may make on my >>> behalf, even if they are certain that there's nothing wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tracey Clark wrote: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and >>>> tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive >>>> unsolicited commercial messages on it. >>>> >>>> On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >>>> > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee >>>> > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >>>> > >>>> > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >>>> >>>> - -- >>>> Tracey Clark >>>> QA Department >>>> cPanel, Inc. >>>> http://www.cpanel.net >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) >>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>>> >>>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV >>>> MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ >>>> ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt >>>> X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs >>>> FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal >>>> flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= >>>> =ks3e >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yapc mailing list >>>> yapc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Haugeland >>> Crowdtilt is what I do >>> Connect with me on LinkedIn >>> >>> Check out our recent press! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe >> Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable , >> Host of Columbus Code Jam >> www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com >> Perl Advent Planet - Advent >> Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at crowdtilt.com Thu Jun 6 11:25:44 2013 From: john at crowdtilt.com (John Haugeland) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:25:44 -0700 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: Many people who wish to show frustration with choices being made on their behalf feel that this is an appropriate mechanism to politely display their reaction. I am quite surprised that the reaction is "why can't you do this," rather than "why are you all suddenly leaving?" On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rick Westerman wrote: > > I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. > > For a bunch of techies I find it interesting that there are number of > 'please unsubscribe me' requests on this list. At least 3 so far. If > *we*, as techs, can't navigate to a simple web page and fill out a simple > form then what hope do our customers/users have? > > (BTW: Just more flame-bait to distract from the recent spate of TSA and > coffee-shop bashing. :-( What is it about post-conference that seems to > be putting people on edge?) > > (BTW#2: Despite the high level of chit-chat on the list I appreciated all > of the email. That plus looking at some of the live streams made me feel > like I was part of the conference.) > > > -- > Rick Westerman > westerman at purdue.edu > > Bioinformatics specialist at the Genomics Facility. > Phone: (765) 494-0505 FAX: (765) 496-7255 > Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture > 625 Agriculture Mall Drive > West Lafayette, IN 47907-2010 > Physically located in room S049, WSLR building > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com Thu Jun 6 11:34:10 2013 From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:34:10 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <1370542784393.d2a6d452@Nodemailer> References: <1370542784393.d2a6d452@Nodemailer> Message-ID: <50C41AB5-E50F-4F90-AEB7-F839B06C219C@iinteractive.com> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Len Jaffe wrote: > So, how was YAPC? Any interesting talks? On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, "Pete Clark" wrote: > ... Mostly just arguments about coffee. ROFL. Pete is my new hero. ++ Pete: Are YOU selling anything? I'll buy 2. Please email me details, preferably on-list. :) j From sterling.daniel at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 12:29:09 2013 From: sterling.daniel at gmail.com (Daniel S. Sterling) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:29:09 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <0EABBEC0-523A-4D59-85CF-0441E5CC87D7@gmail.com> In fact , the CAN SPAM law allows sending marketing emails without prior permission. The email must include a working opt-out link, though In fact, I would not be surprised (or upset, since I don't mind getting email) if a future announce-only list also included announcements from sponsors. I would in fact welcome such email I like email On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:05 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > Advertising in the conference is very different than sending me email. Zero other conference sponsors have done this, I suspect because they know how angry it makes people. > > . > > > "You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks?" > > Yeah, I didn't really take any of those, and all rationalizations aside, United States law does not permit this. > > I would not accept a free coca cola in exchange for work email spam, besides. > > . > > I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. It has begun spamming, and trying to explain why spamming is okay, even though I never actually gave permission to be contacted with sales email. After the fact rationalizations are not interesting to me; I never gave permission, and that is the line the law draws in the sand. > > Thank you for understanding. This is not a choice others may make on my behalf, even if they are certain that there's nothing wrong. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tracey Clark wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and >> tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive >> unsolicited commercial messages on it. >> >> On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee >> > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >> > >> > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >> >> - -- >> Tracey Clark >> QA Department >> cPanel, Inc. >> http://www.cpanel.net >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV >> MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ >> ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt >> X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs >> FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal >> flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= >> =ks3e >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sterling.daniel at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 12:34:11 2013 From: sterling.daniel at gmail.com (Daniel Sterling) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:34:11 -0400 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <0EABBEC0-523A-4D59-85CF-0441E5CC87D7@gmail.com> References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> <0EABBEC0-523A-4D59-85CF-0441E5CC87D7@gmail.com> Message-ID: also I apparently like saying "in fact" On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Daniel S. Sterling wrote: > In fact , the CAN SPAM law allows sending marketing emails without prior > permission. The email must include a working opt-out link, though > > In fact, I would not be surprised (or upset, since I don't mind getting > email) if a future announce-only list also included announcements from > sponsors. I would in fact welcome such email > > I like email > > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:05 PM, John Haugeland > > wrote: > > Advertising in the conference is very different than sending me email. > Zero other conference sponsors have done this, I suspect because they know > how angry it makes people. > > . > > > "You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets > paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks?" > > Yeah, I didn't really take any of those, and all rationalizations aside, > United States law does not permit this. > > I would not accept a free coca cola in exchange for work email spam, > besides. > > . > > I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. It has begun > spamming, and trying to explain why spamming is okay, even though I never > actually gave permission to be contacted with sales email. After the fact > rationalizations are not interesting to me; I never gave permission, and > that is the line the law draws in the sand. > > Thank you for understanding. This is not a choice others may make on my > behalf, even if they are certain that there's nothing wrong. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tracey Clark > > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> FWIW I agree with John. I have enjoyed the conference related and >> tangential discussions on this list. I also prefer not to receive >> unsolicited commercial messages on it. >> >> On 06/06/2013 12:45 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee >> > by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. >> > >> > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. >> >> - -- >> Tracey Clark >> QA Department >> cPanel, Inc. >> http://www.cpanel.net >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsM2WAAoJEKXnBD2HACCNnmQIAKYh2PqqDpqWOakqE96WcJMV >> MjEsEisM8xv5vEdDm2z53uCIcOrixFu8EODm3nI6zhbu8kopQ0xMYlv72am54/f/ >> ofe2+c8+OqFCgX2vUGkwcmrzmYWflxPSMb0tq50ECaSh0LBlI1G6u8aZ+bfmWElt >> X/7btKr8thmCf5i2PT49aLcbvMGbqOUNvPp2hrpoKhR41V4IokhoqQ5h8InkCcjs >> FLtH3lHPWTZUMJjg12q6i/OJscVKDedPAN9sWG7KceXzzf7XKRfogtnRPTD7HLal >> flMQMzcxFAMEEJ2xFfzgcuIyEdkcdL8hhKUZ3MpETWwp1+qaIrjRqHprUAqX8cU= >> =ks3e >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diakopter at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 12:35:48 2013 From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:35:48 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <0EABBEC0-523A-4D59-85CF-0441E5CC87D7@gmail.com> References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <51B0CD96.9090902@cpanel.net> <0EABBEC0-523A-4D59-85CF-0441E5CC87D7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please consider purchasing my new product, which automatically removes you from all email/spam lists and websites. It's called FakeBlock. Also, please unsubscribe me. From cmillard at athenahealth.com Thu Jun 6 12:36:09 2013 From: cmillard at athenahealth.com (Christopher Millard) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:36:09 +0000 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: +1 It has been absolutely fantastic meeting so many of you. This was my first YAPC. While I've really enjoyed the open discussion on this list, this thread has been disappointing. -Chris From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+cmillard=athenahealth.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Matt Finkel Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:14 PM To: John Haugeland Cc: Portland Perl Mongers; yapc at pm.org Subject: Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps This is getting ridiculous. I'm saddened to see adults act like children, especially after such an amazing conference. I'm embarrassed for our community when we act this way. "And possibly eat a tasty ice pick with a side of sand to wash it down." In what way is that constructive? The mailing list clearly has problems (I'm not happy with the SNR either), and as previously stated, they will be addressed next year. We all heard Larry's talk. Pointless bickering spits in the face of what he was getting at. Respect one another. *This shouldn't be so difficult.* "an implementation should be conservative in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior" On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, John Haugeland > wrote: At no point did I give permission to be spammed by conference sponsors. It is not for the conference to allow people to send sales messages to my work email. This is also a violation of CAN-SPAM. Please remove me from this email list. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, jerry gay > wrote: brewpony is a Sponsor of yapc this year. certainly one of the points of sponsorship is to market products and services to attendees. that relationship should not need to be explicitly defined. i find it difficult to imagine anyone could reasonably think otherwise. On Jun 6, 2013 12:46 PM, "John Haugeland" > wrote: Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference. I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo > wrote: On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland > wrote: > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a conference mailing list. > > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your system to spam your participants. John, This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on this list that makes it impractical to change that. An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about official organizer / TPF announcements. Todd -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- John Haugeland Crowdtilt is what I do Connect with me on LinkedIn Check out our recent press! _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Matthew Finkel mfinkel.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sterling.daniel at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 12:42:08 2013 From: sterling.daniel at gmail.com (Daniel Sterling) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:42:08 -0400 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: Why should I overly concern myself if people are leaving a specific community mailing list? If people are being harmed or marginalized or otherwise abused, I care, but if they're just done listening to me, I'm ok about letting them go without asking them why That said, I do want the perl community to be welcoming, so if you think we're not so or have suggestions to make us more welcoming, I'd welcome that discussion On Thursday, June 6, 2013, John Haugeland wrote: > Many people who wish to show frustration with choices being made on their > behalf feel that this is an appropriate mechanism to politely display their > reaction. > > I am quite surprised that the reaction is "why can't you do this," rather > than "why are you all suddenly leaving?" > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rick Westerman > > wrote: > >> > I would like to be removed from the email list now, please. >> >> For a bunch of techies I find it interesting that there are number of >> 'please unsubscribe me' requests on this list. At least 3 so far. If >> *we*, as techs, can't navigate to a simple web page and fill out a simple >> form then what hope do our customers/users have? >> >> (BTW: Just more flame-bait to distract from the recent spate of TSA and >> coffee-shop bashing. :-( What is it about post-conference that seems to >> be putting people on edge?) >> >> (BTW#2: Despite the high level of chit-chat on the list I appreciated all >> of the email. That plus looking at some of the live streams made me feel >> like I was part of the conference.) >> >> >> -- >> Rick Westerman >> westerman at purdue.edu >> >> Bioinformatics specialist at the Genomics Facility. >> Phone: (765) 494-0505 FAX: (765) 496-7255 >> Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture >> 625 Agriculture Mall Drive >> West Lafayette, IN 47907-2010 >> Physically located in room S049, WSLR building >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > > > -- > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msouth at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 13:21:47 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:21:47 -0500 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > Many people who wish to show frustration with choices being made on their > behalf feel that this is an appropriate mechanism to politely display their > reaction. > > I am quite surprised that the reaction is "why can't you do this," rather > than "why are you all suddenly leaving?" > Possibly we're just seeing people who were subscribed to the list specifically because they were coming to YAPC::NA 2013, to get conference updates and so forth. This seems like a sensible and practical approach for a wide variety of attendees, given that this is where important updates and changes are announced. I don't really think this is people "leaving the community" so much as "reducing the noise in the inbox now that the conference is over". However, I don't know what the normal profile is for users on this list as a specific conference approaches and ends, so I might be wrong. mike > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diakopter at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 13:26:13 2013 From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:26:13 -0500 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: /me giggles at the 25 unsubscribes in the past day... On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Mike South wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, John Haugeland wrote: >> >> Many people who wish to show frustration with choices being made on their >> behalf feel that this is an appropriate mechanism to politely display their >> reaction. >> >> I am quite surprised that the reaction is "why can't you do this," rather >> than "why are you all suddenly leaving?" > > > Possibly we're just seeing people who were subscribed to the list > specifically because they were coming to YAPC::NA 2013, to get conference > updates and so forth. This seems like a sensible and practical approach for > a wide variety of attendees, given that this is where important updates and > changes are announced. I don't really think this is people "leaving the > community" so much as "reducing the noise in the inbox now that the > conference is over". > > However, I don't know what the normal profile is for users on this list as a > specific conference approaches and ends, so I might be wrong. > > mike >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From jacklupton at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 13:37:38 2013 From: jacklupton at gmail.com (Jack Lupton) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:37:38 -0500 Subject: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Whining is so unbecoming of the Perl community. Delete the emails you're not interested in and if you are still unhappy, use the link that is at the bottom of every email and unsubscribe yourself? Unsubscribe me emails are just like spam to me, I just delete them. No big deal.Who would buy mail order coffee anyway? How ridiculous. IMHO I'm also a first time YAPC attender. I thought it was fantastic. It really made me sad when it ended, though it is time to get back to work. YAPC and the Texas Linux Fest of the weekend preceding made it a week to remember. Thanks to the organizers, the speakers, and the volunteers for doing such a fantastic job! On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Christopher Millard < cmillard at athenahealth.com> wrote: > +1**** > > ** ** > > It has been absolutely fantastic meeting so many of you. This was my > first YAPC.**** > > ** ** > > While I?ve really enjoyed the open discussion on this list, this thread > has been disappointing.**** > > ** ** > > -Chris**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+cmillard=athenahealth.com at pm.org] *On > Behalf Of *Matt Finkel > *Sent:* Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:14 PM > *To:* John Haugeland > *Cc:* Portland Perl Mongers; yapc at pm.org > *Subject:* Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps**** > > ** ** > > This is getting ridiculous. I'm saddened to see adults act like children, > especially after such an amazing conference. I'm embarrassed for our > community when we act this way.**** > > ** ** > > "And possibly eat a tasty ice pick with a side of sand to wash it down."** > ** > > ** ** > > In what way is that constructive? The mailing list clearly has problems > (I'm not happy with the SNR either), and as previously stated, they will be > addressed next year.**** > > ** ** > > We all heard Larry's talk. Pointless bickering spits in the face of what > he was getting at. Respect one another. *This shouldn't be so difficult.* > **** > > ** ** > > "an implementation should be conservative in its sending behavior, and > liberal in its receiving behavior"**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > **** > > At no point did I give permission to be spammed by conference sponsors. > It is not for the conference to allow people to send sales messages to my > work email. This is also a violation of CAN-SPAM.**** > > ** ** > > Please remove me from this email list.**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, jerry gay wrote:*** > * > > brewpony is a Sponsor of yapc this year. certainly one of the points of > sponsorship is to market products and services to attendees. that > relationship should not need to be explicitly defined. i find it difficult > to imagine anyone could reasonably think otherwise.**** > > On Jun 6, 2013 12:46 PM, "John Haugeland" wrote:**** > > Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by > mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference.**** > > I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam.**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote:*** > * > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland wrote: > > > I would prefer not to receive unsolicited commercial email on a > conference mailing list. > > > > List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your > system to spam your participants.**** > > John, > > This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the > conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on > this list that makes it impractical to change that. > > An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not > wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about > official organizer / TPF announcements. > > Todd**** > > > > > -- **** > > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! **** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc**** > > > > > -- **** > > John Haugeland > Crowdtilt is what I do > Connect with me on LinkedIn > > Check out our recent press! **** > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Matthew Finkel > mfinkel.net**** > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Thu Jun 6 13:47:39 2013 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:47:39 -0500 Subject: looking for the college lab that trained students Message-ID: <51B0F56B.1060101@stemsystems.com> hi all, at yapc i connected with a person from a college lab which hired its students and gave them perl training. i didn't get his contact info so i am looking for that. hopefully he will see this. if someone who knows him please tell him to email me when he can. thanx, uri From barefootcoder at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 14:36:51 2013 From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:36:51 -0700 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> References: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: Darren, > I've heard this said a number of times in the past, but I think the above notion is either outdated or region-specific now. > : > : > But cards getting out of the customer's sight? Maybe in the past. But with the advent of chip cards which by necessity require the customer to enter a pin for them to be used, the customer has to be at the terminal for the transaction, and chip cards have basically replaced all the cards by now, so having the waiter taking the card out of sight is in the past. Where do you live? I'm pretty sure I can honeslty say I've _never_ run my card myself at a restaurant or bar. At some retail stores or grocery stores, I run it myself, but I'd say more often than not they take my card, run it for me (although, granted, within my sight), then I enter either a signature or PIN on a separate terminal. Certainly my card left my sight every time I ate out here in Austin. If they want to skim it, let them. My bank just recently cancelled my card over $1.17 charge, which I'm sure was something exactly like what Peter described. So it's not bugging me, other than the inconvenience of having to physically visit the bank to get the replacement card. -- Buddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com Thu Jun 6 14:38:18 2013 From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:38:18 -0400 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto wrote: > > > Respectfully, many sponsors were blatantly advertising everywhere and > anywhere throughout the entire conference. > > You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets > paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks? > > If you don't like it, unsubscribe and perhaps look into why you are so > bitter, angry and unhappy. > > And possibly eat a tasty ice pick with a side of sand to wash it down. > > Duke > > This is flat-out unacceptable behavior from a community member, let alone a YAPC sponsor. I am surprised that nobody else has spoken up about this, but rather thought that the unsubscribe request sent to the list was the egregious behavior, and am additionally surprised that we've not heard form the organizers, or whomever is supposed to enforce the CoC. Len. -- lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable , Host of Columbus Code Jam www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com Perl Advent Planet - Advent Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diakopter at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 14:59:33 2013 From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, there's a couple of ways to read it. One is that Duke is suggesting John Haugeland commit suicide by attempting to ingest an ice pick and swallowing sand, and the second way is... hm, I can't think of another way to interpret it. :| -Matthew On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Len Jaffe wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto > wrote: >> >> >> Respectfully, many sponsors were blatantly advertising everywhere and >> anywhere throughout the entire conference. >> >> You know, "sponsors". Those companies that make sure the venue gets >> paid for and gives you lots of free schwag and free drinks? >> >> If you don't like it, unsubscribe and perhaps look into why you are so >> bitter, angry and unhappy. >> >> And possibly eat a tasty ice pick with a side of sand to wash it down. >> >> Duke >> > > > This is flat-out unacceptable behavior from a community member, let alone a > YAPC sponsor. > > I am surprised that nobody else has spoken up about this, but rather thought > that the unsubscribe request sent to the list was the egregious behavior, > and am additionally surprised that we've not heard form the organizers, or > whomever is supposed to enforce the CoC. > > Len. > > > -- > lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe > Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable, Host of Columbus Code Jam > www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com > Perl Advent Planet - Advent Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From uberthoth at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 15:19:30 2013 From: uberthoth at gmail.com (Josh Cox) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:19:30 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Let me point out the proper place to unsubscribe yourself: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc If anyone has a problem using that link please email me personally I will assist you with using mailman. Emailing a mailman list of over 400 people, asking to be unsubscribed, and expecting someone to actually do this for you is completely inappropriate behavior. Encouraging people to start a business that utilizes perl, and hopefully subsequently expanding that business and hiring perl developers is pretty much what I would've thought would be a central tenet of yapc. Furthermore, the CoC you mention does not forbid people to mention their business to others: http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/code-of-conduct.html on the list or not. And I also heard much discussion of how the CoC has been inappropriate in and of itself. People brandishing it like a weapon certainly is not helping matters. I would like to invite everyone on this list to email me personally if you use perl in your business. I would love to hear about it. And I will certainly consider that when choosing between you and your competition. Also, you never know you might even want to hire perl developers, and I'd be happy to send you a CV. I'd encourage you to even email the whole list, but after reading this thread I can understand why you wouldn't. From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com Thu Jun 6 15:25:29 2013 From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:25:29 -0400 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Matthew Wilson wrote: > Well, there's a couple of ways to read it. One is that Duke is > suggesting John Haugeland commit suicide by attempting to ingest an > ice pick and swallowing sand, and the second way is... hm, I can't > think of another way to interpret it. :| That is in no way funny. In fact it is endemic of the problem with this whole thread. In which wishing death on somebody is fine, but complaining about spam (yes, even only one message) and then stating their extreme displeasure with the lists reaction by asking to be removed is the punishable offense? I'd like other members of this community to tell me how it is okay to tell a fellow community member to "choke on an ice pick." How is that Okay? It isn't. That's how. What's that phrase in the #perl irc channel topic "reasonable person principle applies" ? I don't see a lot of reasonable people commenting in this thread yet. Len. -- lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable , Host of Columbus Code Jam www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com Perl Advent Planet - Advent Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yaakov at perlfoundation.org Thu Jun 6 15:30:19 2013 From: yaakov at perlfoundation.org (Ya'akov Sloman) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:30:19 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CDA7CF7-31D9-4756-A3CA-599290DDD174@perlfoundation.org> OK folks, can we PLEASE end this thread NOW. It is entirely unproductive and FAR worse than an unsubscribe request to the list. Please do NOT add to this. As far as dealing with the original issue, that is in progress and I would appreciate it if anyone who cares enough to comment on it would care enough that they NOT comment on it and let us deal with it properly. (Josh: This is not picking on you, I am just replying to your message because it is the last one in the thread I see.) Thanks, Ya'akov -- Yaakov Sloman TPF Community Advocate YAPC::NA 2013 Organizer On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Josh Cox wrote: > Let me point out the proper place to unsubscribe yourself: > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > If anyone has a problem using that link please email me personally I > will assist you with using mailman. > > Emailing a mailman list of over 400 people, asking to be unsubscribed, > and expecting someone to actually do this for you is completely > inappropriate behavior. > > Encouraging people to start a business that utilizes perl, and > hopefully subsequently expanding that business and hiring perl > developers is pretty much what I would've thought would be a central > tenet of yapc. > > Furthermore, the CoC you mention does not forbid people to mention > their business to others: > > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/code-of-conduct.html > > on the list or not. And I also heard much discussion of how the CoC > has been inappropriate in and of itself. People brandishing it like a > weapon certainly is not helping matters. > > I would like to invite everyone on this list to email me personally if > you use perl in your business. I would love to hear about it. And I > will certainly consider that when choosing between you and your > competition. Also, you never know you might even want to hire perl > developers, and I'd be happy to send you a CV. > > I'd encourage you to even email the whole list, but after reading this > thread I can understand why you wouldn't. > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com Thu Jun 6 15:32:27 2013 From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:32:27 -0400 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Josh Cox wrote: > Let me point out the proper place to unsubscribe yourself: > > I believe you've missed the point. > > Furthermore, the CoC you mention does not forbid people to mention > their business to others: > > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/code-of-conduct.html > > on the list or not. And I also heard much discussion of how the CoC > has been inappropriate in and of itself. People brandishing it like a > weapon certainly is not helping matters. > I mention the CoC, not for a reading of chapter and verse, but for the fact that we have a code of conduct, so you should be thinking about your conduct, and in spite of having the idea that we should treat each other well, we have a sponsor telling an attendee to go die, and other people more upset about the recipient voicing their displeasure on the list instead of just unsubscribing. Why is the outrage not the fact that Duke tole John publicly that he hoped he'd die? I'm beginning to feel like Diogones. L. -- lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable , Host of Columbus Code Jam www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com Perl Advent Planet - Advent Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diakopter at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 15:40:13 2013 From: diakopter at gmail.com (Matthew Wilson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:40:13 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I truly wasn't intending to be funny. I was trying to think of another way to interpret it in order to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I couldn't. Sent from my beeper On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Len Jaffe wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Matthew Wilson wrote: >> Well, there's a couple of ways to read it. One is that Duke is >> suggesting John Haugeland commit suicide by attempting to ingest an >> ice pick and swallowing sand, and the second way is... hm, I can't >> think of another way to interpret it. :| > > That is in no way funny. > In fact it is endemic of the problem with this whole thread. In which wishing death on somebody is fine, but complaining about spam (yes, even only one message) and then stating their extreme displeasure with the lists reaction by asking to be removed is the punishable offense? > > I'd like other members of this community to tell me how it is okay to tell a fellow community member to "choke on an ice pick." > > How is that Okay? > It isn't. That's how. > > What's that phrase in the #perl irc channel topic "reasonable person principle applies" ? I don't see a lot of reasonable people commenting in this thread yet. > > Len. > > -- > lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com 614-404-4214 @lenjaffe > Software Enginer, Founder Volunteerable, Host of Columbus Code Jam > www.lenjaffe.com http://www.theycomewithcheese.com > Perl Advent Planet - Advent Calendars: Perlish and otherwise. > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at darrenduncan.net Thu Jun 6 16:49:52 2013 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:49:52 -0700 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: References: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <51B12020.7020609@darrenduncan.net> I live in Victoria, BC, but I've also experienced what I said when I went elsewhere. I generally entered a pin to use my card. At half the places they gave me the machine and I put the card in it, the other half they put the card in the machine in front of me and then gave the machine to me. -- Darren Duncan On 2013.06.06 2:36 PM, Buddy Burden wrote: > Darren, > > > I've heard this said a number of times in the past, but I think the above > notion is either outdated or region-specific now. > > : > > : > > But cards getting out of the customer's sight? Maybe in the past. But with > the advent of chip cards which by necessity require the customer to enter a pin > for them to be used, the customer has to be at the terminal for the transaction, > and chip cards have basically replaced all the cards by now, so having the > waiter taking the card out of sight is in the past. > > Where do you live? I'm pretty sure I can honeslty say I've _never_ run my card > myself at a restaurant or bar. At some retail stores or grocery stores, I run > it myself, but I'd say more often than not they take my card, run it for me > (although, granted, within my sight), then I enter either a signature or PIN on > a separate terminal. > > Certainly my card left my sight every time I ate out here in Austin. If they > want to skim it, let them. My bank just recently cancelled my card over $1.17 > charge, which I'm sure was something exactly like what Peter described. So it's > not bugging me, other than the inconvenience of having to physically visit the > bank to get the replacement card. > > > -- Buddy From justin.wheeler at grantstreet.com Thu Jun 6 17:37:05 2013 From: justin.wheeler at grantstreet.com (Justin Wheeler) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:37:05 -0400 Subject: Credit card warning In-Reply-To: <51B12020.7020609@darrenduncan.net> References: <51B05AEF.7030806@darrenduncan.net> <51B12020.7020609@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: I, too, can attest to what Darren is saying. With chip and pin, they bring the wireless terminal to the table. Even little mom and pop corner stores have chip. And if you have a chip card and you try to just swipe it, there is an EMV present bit in the mag stripe that makes the terminal day, "please insert chip card" and disallows swiping. I was at a restaurant some time ago, and the chip reader in their machine had broken, so the machine let us fall back to mag stripe. Less than 5 minutes later, my phone rang. It was VISA. "We just wanted to be sure that was you." I'm in southern Ontario. Justin On 6 Jun 2013 19:50, "Darren Duncan" wrote: > I live in Victoria, BC, but I've also experienced what I said when I went > elsewhere. I generally entered a pin to use my card. At half the places > they gave me the machine and I put the card in it, the other half they put > the card in the machine in front of me and then gave the machine to me. -- > Darren Duncan > > On 2013.06.06 2:36 PM, Buddy Burden wrote: > >> Darren, >> >> > I've heard this said a number of times in the past, but I think the >> above >> notion is either outdated or region-specific now. >> > : >> > : >> > But cards getting out of the customer's sight? Maybe in the past. >> But with >> the advent of chip cards which by necessity require the customer to enter >> a pin >> for them to be used, the customer has to be at the terminal for the >> transaction, >> and chip cards have basically replaced all the cards by now, so having the >> waiter taking the card out of sight is in the past. >> >> Where do you live? I'm pretty sure I can honeslty say I've _never_ run >> my card >> myself at a restaurant or bar. At some retail stores or grocery stores, >> I run >> it myself, but I'd say more often than not they take my card, run it for >> me >> (although, granted, within my sight), then I enter either a signature or >> PIN on >> a separate terminal. >> >> Certainly my card left my sight every time I ate out here in Austin. If >> they >> want to skim it, let them. My bank just recently cancelled my card over >> $1.17 >> charge, which I'm sure was something exactly like what Peter described. >> So it's >> not bugging me, other than the inconvenience of having to physically >> visit the >> bank to get the replacement card. >> >> >> -- Buddy >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -- This e-mail and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and protected by electronic communications privacy laws. 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List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , What should have happened on subscribe of each member is that a helpful mailman subscribe message should have been sent that outlined most of that info, and sepcifically how to unsubscribe. I highly suggest we don't forget that step next time... On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Josh Cox wrote: > Let me point out the proper place to unsubscribe yourself: > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > If anyone has a problem using that link please email me personally I > will assist you with using mailman. > > Emailing a mailman list of over 400 people, asking to be unsubscribed, > and expecting someone to actually do this for you is completely > inappropriate behavior. > > Encouraging people to start a business that utilizes perl, and > hopefully subsequently expanding that business and hiring perl > developers is pretty much what I would've thought would be a central > tenet of yapc. > > Furthermore, the CoC you mention does not forbid people to mention > their business to others: > > http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/code-of-conduct.html > > on the list or not. And I also heard much discussion of how the CoC > has been inappropriate in and of itself. People brandishing it like a > weapon certainly is not helping matters. > > I would like to invite everyone on this list to email me personally if > you use perl in your business. I would love to hear about it. And I > will certainly consider that when choosing between you and your > competition. Also, you never know you might even want to hire perl > developers, and I'd be happy to send you a CV. > > I'd encourage you to even email the whole list, but after reading this > thread I can understand why you wouldn't. > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From sterling.daniel at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 17:44:00 2013 From: sterling.daniel at gmail.com (Daniel Sterling) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: [SPAM:###] Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps In-Reply-To: References: <849DFC99-CF38-4846-9353-1A5100E619C9@cpanel.net> <9704_1370541524_51B0CDD4_9704_508_1_CABQG1aRCbDNBC-S4Mwxd=WMYGXVDUmWcZ9x-R6iAjZzViRMNUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Len Jaffe wrote: > Why is the outrage not the fact that Duke tole John publicly that he hoped > he'd die? No, you're right, that was unacceptable. I originally misread this; I thought Duke said to eat a pickle. Blame sleep deprivation, I guess Duke, don't be a jerk please From faelin.landy at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 17:45:29 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:45:29 -0400 Subject: A warning about the conference t-shirts In-Reply-To: <2353479B-330B-4A3E-BF46-7AF98700090C@cpanel.net> References: <7F38BB8B-5CF5-4642-B5C6-D6EF0E698BB9@cpanel.net> <1370539631842.15502ea2@Nodemailer> <2353479B-330B-4A3E-BF46-7AF98700090C@cpanel.net> Message-ID: And yet, despite all their fuss, I've discovered pocket-knives, toothpaste tubes, and other things that break regulations, in my pockets once I land. Certain things just slide by unnoticed sometimes, and I don't always even remember what's in various pockets from other trips. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Dan Muey - cPanel Developer wrote: > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Jay Allen wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Dan Muey - cPanel Developer < > dan at cpanel.net="mailto:dan at cpanel.net">> wrote: > >> Last week we went through IAH without having to take the light saber > out of the 4' box (they just dusted the box with a detecto-cloth > post-xray), in Orange County they made us unpackage it completely One TSA > guy thought it was neat but the lady checking it out was not amused. > > > > Wait...is it a fully-operational light saber? Because if so, you're > burying the lede... > > haha, yep, well not ?real? like I can slice through stuff but real as in > the really nice ones they don't sell in the toy isle. They look awesome in > photos and we were taking pictures w/ Princess Leia. > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 17:49:38 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:49:38 -0400 Subject: looking for the college lab that trained students In-Reply-To: <51B0F56B.1060101@stemsystems.com> References: <51B0F56B.1060101@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: Man, I'm jealous. My school doesn't teach Perl... ~Fae On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > hi all, > > at yapc i connected with a person from a college lab which hired its > students and gave them perl training. i didn't get his contact info so i am > looking for that. hopefully he will see this. if someone who knows him > please tell him to email me when he can. > > thanx, > > uri > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 17:51:04 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:51:04 -0400 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: Stupid gmail responds to people instead of to the list >.< [resent:] To be fair, when you first sign up for the list, you get an email saying "to unsubscribe, simply respond to the mailing list with that in the subject" (or something to that effect), and yet it seems to fail when people attempt this. ~Fae > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Matthew Wilson wrote: > >> /me giggles at the 25 unsubscribes in the past day... >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Mike South wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, John Haugeland >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Many people who wish to show frustration with choices being made on >> their >> >> behalf feel that this is an appropriate mechanism to politely display >> their >> >> reaction. >> >> >> >> I am quite surprised that the reaction is "why can't you do this," >> rather >> >> than "why are you all suddenly leaving?" >> > >> > >> > Possibly we're just seeing people who were subscribed to the list >> > specifically because they were coming to YAPC::NA 2013, to get >> conference >> > updates and so forth. 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URL: From zaki.mughal at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 18:05:11 2013 From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:05:11 -0500 Subject: looking for the college lab that trained students In-Reply-To: References: <51B0F56B.1060101@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <20130607010511.GD13059@simulo> On 2013-06-06 at 20:49:38 -0400, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Man, I'm jealous. My school doesn't teach Perl... > That's an opportunity to teach some Perl to the other students! I've given several presentations to my local ACM student chapter on cool things that I've written (that just happen to use Perl in some part). I think I may even go the route of inserting some Perl into the Unix development workshop I was asked to give in the fall. Cheers, - zaki (sivoais) > ~Fae > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > at yapc i connected with a person from a college lab which hired its > > students and gave them perl training. i didn't get his contact info so i am > > looking for that. hopefully he will see this. if someone who knows him > > please tell him to email me when he can. > > > > thanx, > > > > uri > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From meinwald.1 at osu.edu Thu Jun 6 18:09:36 2013 From: meinwald.1 at osu.edu (Matt Meinwald) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:09:36 -0500 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <51B132D0.8010006@osu.edu> My initial email from Mailman provided the following ways to unsubscribe: 1) A link to directly unsubscribe (presumably with confirmation): http://mail.pm.org/mailman/options/yapc/?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1 2) A link to my account where I can edit options and unsubscribe: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/options/yapc/ 3) A mention that commands can be sent to the list via yapc-request at pm.org When I sent an email with subject "help" to yapc-request at pm.org, it showed me a list of commands (to be sent to yapc-request at pm.org in the body or subject) including the following: unsubscribe [password] [address=
] Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must match your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no quotes!) That said, other lists support unsubscribe via emailing the list, so maybe it would be good to add that if possible. On 06/06/2013 07:51 PM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Stupid gmail responds to people instead of to the list >.< > > [resent:] > > To be fair, when you first sign up for the list, you get an > email saying "to unsubscribe, simply respond to the mailing > list with that in the subject" (or something to that > effect), and yet it seems to fail when people attempt this. > > ~Fae > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Matthew Wilson > > wrote: > > /me giggles at the 25 unsubscribes in the past day... > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Mike South > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, John Haugeland > > wrote: > >> > >> Many people who wish to show frustration with > choices being made on their > >> behalf feel that this is an appropriate mechanism > to politely display their > >> reaction. > >> > >> I am quite surprised that the reaction is "why > can't you do this," rather > >> than "why are you all suddenly leaving?" > > > > > > Possibly we're just seeing people who were > subscribed to the list > > specifically because they were coming to YAPC::NA > 2013, to get conference > > updates and so forth. This seems like a sensible > and practical approach for > > a wide variety of attendees, given that this is > where important updates and > > changes are announced. I don't really think this > is people "leaving the > > community" so much as "reducing the noise in the > inbox now that the > > conference is over". > > > > However, I don't know what the normal profile is > for users on this list as a > > specific conference approaches and ends, so I > might be wrong. > > > > mike > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From tommystanton at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 18:32:40 2013 From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:32:40 -0700 Subject: looking for the college lab that trained students In-Reply-To: References: <51B0F56B.1060101@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > Man, I'm jealous. My school doesn't teach Perl... I took a "Introduction to Programming for Internet" course in college. [0] The professor had (thankfully) picked Perl, and the required textbook was Learning Perl! :) I was so excited to purchase an O'Reilly book from the bookstore instead of another academic textbook. Although the only CPAN module that we used was CGI.pm (whose demise we discussed quite a bit at this YAPC just past), I'm still thankful since I was exposed to scripting languages and dynamic web development. What a reprieve after only doing C++ up to that point! [0] http://www.registrar.ucla.edu/schedule/detselect.aspx?termsel=06F&subareasel=COMPTNG&idxcrs=0040A+++ From darren at darrenduncan.net Thu Jun 6 19:05:16 2013 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:05:16 -0700 Subject: Why can't people unsubscribe themselves? In-Reply-To: References: <1302291804.12740.1370542439928.JavaMail.root@mailhub016.itcs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <51B13FDC.8070805@darrenduncan.net> On 2013.06.06 5:51 PM, Faelin McCaley Landy wrote: > To be fair, when you first sign up for the list, you get an email saying "to > unsubscribe, simply respond to the mailing list with that in the subject" (or > something to that effect), and yet it seems to fail when people attempt this. That means "email the list manager", same as with practically all modern mailing lists. -- Darren Duncan From niall.durham at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 19:43:29 2013 From: niall.durham at gmail.com (Niall Durham) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: looking for the college lab that trained students In-Reply-To: References: <51B0F56B.1060101@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: On Jun 6, 2013 7:50 PM, "Faelin McCaley Landy" wrote: > > Man, I'm jealous. My school doesn't teach Perl... They don't. That's why we have to teach it to our student workers. Well, they do most of the work, but that's because we hire smart students. :) -Niall > ~Fae > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: >> >> hi all, >> >> at yapc i connected with a person from a college lab which hired its students and gave them perl training. i didn't get his contact info so i am looking for that. hopefully he will see this. if someone who knows him please tell him to email me when he can. >> >> thanx, >> >> uri >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at slowass.net Fri Jun 7 07:51:48 2013 From: scott at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:51:48 -0500 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? Message-ID: Can we please get a moderator for this list? I subscribe to this list each year and then, after YAPC, I can't unsubscribe quick enough. It seems I'm not the only one who feel a deep sense of regret about lingering on it longer than I need to. It's extremely valuable to have a channel for announcements, but that always degenerates into jokes, then opinions, then discussion. Discussion is great when you aren't dragging hundreds of uninterested people along for the ride. Incidentally, if you want to discuss this with me, please email me directly, as my next action is unsubscribing from this inbox clogger. See you all in hell or the next YAPC, whichever comes first. Love, -scott From toddr at cpanel.net Fri Jun 7 07:55:33 2013 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:55:33 -0500 Subject: attwifi coupon code for Friday: Message-ID: <2F37F515-403E-4F71-B6AE-B0993E4A0938@cpanel.net> New Code for Today: Code: WP9C-J8gR-94 Sorry for the problems. It got entered to terminate this morning rather than midnight. Todd From timothylord at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 07:59:45 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:59:45 -0500 Subject: Lost at YAPC: small mixer Message-ID: I know the odds of recovery are low, but I realized yesterday that I lost a small piece of equipment sometime during the show. If anyone spotted it or picked it up accidentally, I would really appreciate knowing. It's a small azden mixer, just a few inches on a side; here's the Amazon product page to see what it looks like: http://www.amazon.com/AZDEN-CAM-3-On-Camcorder-Audio-Mixer/dp/B00006JPD1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370617135&sr=8-1&keywords=azden+mixer+camera If you happen to've seen this, probably with a little cable dangling from it, please let me know ;) Thanks -- Tim -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Fri Jun 7 08:08:43 2013 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:08:43 -0400 Subject: Lost at YAPC: small mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130607150843.GF10933@thelackthereof.org> >From IRC: #yapc.06-05.log:12:40 < dnm> jrockway just mentioned it in his talk, but in case you're not in this room anymore, I found this little portable audio mixer doohickey on the right side of LBJ. If it's yours, it's on the podium in front of Jon. --Brock On 2013.06.07.09.59, Tim Lord wrote: > I know the odds of recovery are low, but I realized yesterday that I lost a > small piece of equipment sometime during the show. If anyone spotted it or > picked it up accidentally, I would really appreciate knowing. > > It's a small azden mixer, just a few inches on a side; here's the Amazon > product page to see what it looks like: > > http://www.amazon.com/AZDEN-CAM-3-On-Camcorder-Audio-Mixer/dp/B00006JPD1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370617135&sr=8-1&keywords=azden+mixer+camera > > If you happen to've seen this, probably with a little cable dangling from > it, please let me know ;) > > Thanks -- > > Tim > > > -- > >>>> edges are interesting <<<< > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From johns at or8.net Fri Jun 7 08:15:18 2013 From: johns at or8.net (\\js) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:15:18 -0400 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:51:48 -0400, Scott Walters wrote: > Can we please get a moderator for this list? prolly not. who's going to volunteer? [not me] what is the criteria for rejecting a note from the list? is there any means to dispute a rejection? it shouldn't, but continues to amaze me that all the whiners think bitching about their poor flooded inboxes will get an ounce of sympathy from anyone. and at a tech conference no less! mail filters? delete key? reading the intro mail? and it's only freakin email! it's not like they were ripped off or smacked on the head or anything ... i guess civilization has devolved to the point that instead of trying to fix their own problems, people just sit and complain about their self imposed misery. and when they have finished, they can look for something else to momentarily distract them ... haha -- \js From tom at tomlegrady.com Fri Jun 7 08:16:56 2013 From: tom at tomlegrady.com (Tom Legrady) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:16:56 -0400 Subject: Lost at YAPC: small mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I (time-shift) viewed the workshop in which the speaker found it, and placed it on the podium with the announcement, "If it's yours, come and get it". But were it went after that? On 2013-06-07, at 10:59 AM, Tim Lord wrote: > I know the odds of recovery are low, but I realized yesterday that I lost a small piece of equipment sometime during the show. If anyone spotted it or picked it up accidentally, I would really appreciate knowing. > > It's a small azden mixer, just a few inches on a side; here's the Amazon product page to see what it looks like: > > http://www.amazon.com/AZDEN-CAM-3-On-Camcorder-Audio-Mixer/dp/B00006JPD1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370617135&sr=8-1&keywords=azden+mixer+camera > > If you happen to've seen this, probably with a little cable dangling from it, please let me know ;) > > Thanks -- > > Tim > > > -- > >>>> edges are interesting <<<< > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sterling.daniel at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 08:21:04 2013 From: sterling.daniel at gmail.com (Daniel Sterling) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:21:04 -0400 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, \js wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:51:48 -0400, Scott Walters wrote: >> Can we please get a moderator for this list? > prolly not. I believe the plan is to have a separate moderated list, an "announce-only" list. I imagine that having two lists will satisfy everyone who is willing to be satisfied From genehack at genehack.org Fri Jun 7 08:22:14 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:22:14 -0500 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, \js wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:51:48 -0400, Scott Walters wrote: >> >> Can we please get a moderator for this list? > > prolly not. > > who's going to volunteer? [not me] I'll do it. I already list-mom perl-beginners. chrs, john. From msouth at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 08:26:36 2013 From: msouth at gmail.com (Mike South) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:26:36 -0500 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I overheard in the hackathon room that there may be a plan to have a yapc-announce list for the next conference, that would just be for announcements at the conference. In my opinion, that is probably the best way to resolve this. I know how to use "mute" on gmail if I want to stop hearing about a particular thread, and I am happy to see the "hallway" continue on the list. Since I know how to use "mute" and stuff. But for, say, a vendor, recruiter, or someone only interested in fully on-topic stuff, which seems like it might be a large subset of the attending population, an announce-only list would probably be a good idea. Then we could have the TSA/coffee/coc kerfuffle/etc drama on this list, and be able to pay attention to that rather than the unsubscribe drama. The unsubscribe drama is what we in math would call a removable singularity, while things like the coc kerfuffle are more of an essential singularity. mike On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Scott Walters wrote: > Can we please get a moderator for this list? > > I subscribe to this list each year and then, after YAPC, I can't > unsubscribe quick enough. It seems I'm not the only one who feel a > deep sense of regret about lingering on it longer than I need to. > It's extremely valuable to have a channel for announcements, but that > always degenerates into jokes, then opinions, then discussion. > Discussion is great when you aren't dragging hundreds of uninterested > people along for the ride. Incidentally, if you want to discuss this > with me, please email me directly, as my next action is unsubscribing > from this inbox clogger. See you all in hell or the next YAPC, > whichever comes first. > > Love, > -scott > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothylord at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 08:29:00 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:29:00 -0500 Subject: Lost at YAPC: small mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey! This is promising news. I am still in Austin, Yes (I live here), and will head over to the LBJ center soon in hopes that it's landed in a lost-and-found over there somewhere. Thanks, Tom and Justin. Tim On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Tom Legrady wrote: > I (time-shift) viewed the workshop in which the speaker found it, and > placed it on the podium with the announcement, "If it's yours, come and get > it". But were it went after that? > > On 2013-06-07, at 10:59 AM, Tim Lord wrote: > > I know the odds of recovery are low, but I realized yesterday that I lost > a small piece of equipment sometime during the show. If anyone spotted it > or picked it up accidentally, I would really appreciate knowing. > > It's a small azden mixer, just a few inches on a side; here's the Amazon > product page to see what it looks like: > > > http://www.amazon.com/AZDEN-CAM-3-On-Camcorder-Audio-Mixer/dp/B00006JPD1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370617135&sr=8-1&keywords=azden+mixer+camera > > If you happen to've seen this, probably with a little cable dangling from > it, please let me know ;) > > Thanks -- > > Tim > > > -- > >>>> edges are interesting <<<< > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genehack at genehack.org Fri Jun 7 08:34:37 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:34:37 -0500 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > I'll do it. I already list-mom perl-beginners. Okay, Todd accepted this. Please consider this list moderated. 8^) Please discontinue the coffee threads, the "unsubscribe me" threads, and the other related "what's a ragequit?" threads. Anybody wanting off the list that can't do it themselves, email me directly. Safe travels to you all, see you in Orlando (if not before). john. From stevan.little at iinteractive.com Fri Jun 7 08:48:24 2013 From: stevan.little at iinteractive.com (Stevan Little) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:48:24 -0500 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <686156C3-9928-4266-9CDC-158207D38250@iinteractive.com> John++ On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:34 AM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > >> I'll do it. I already list-mom perl-beginners. > > Okay, Todd accepted this. Please consider this list moderated. 8^) > > Please discontinue the coffee threads, the "unsubscribe me" threads, > and the other related "what's a ragequit?" threads. > > Anybody wanting off the list that can't do it themselves, email me directly. > > Safe travels to you all, see you in Orlando (if not before). > > john. > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From yapc2009 at wendy.org Fri Jun 7 01:16:31 2013 From: yapc2009 at wendy.org (Wendy van Dijk) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 03:16:31 -0500 Subject: Wooden Nickel visit on Thursday 11:00 - who wants to come along? In-Reply-To: References: <584062957250731@otje> Message-ID: <210789342260731@otje> Thanks! The visit to Wooden Nickel was very nice. We got a nice t-shirt for free, we got a lot of historic wooden nickels for free, the lady made a picture of us in front of the giant wooden nickel (13ft 4 in). The museum was quite interesting, very nice stuff, including old computers and electronics (old as in many decades old). We were not allowed to see the production of wooden nickels from nearby. The machines were working and could not be stopped without having to reinitialise them all, plus that we would need to go through security briefing. They also have a new line of top-secret multi-color nickel-production machines, and we were not yet allowed to see them since they were not yet patented (I secretly saw them and they were amazing). I bought a giant wooden nickel (40cm in diameter) and am proud of the darn thing. There is also a nice collection of wooden toys and wooden products for sale at the counter. All in all, a worthwhile trip after an exciting and nice conference. Greetz, Wendy At 11:43 AM 6/6/2013, Robert Luedtke wrote: >Hello Wendy and all, >I really wanted to do this today with you, but I had some family >stuff come up that I need to deal with now. >Have a great trip, lots of fun and a safe return. >All the best, >RL > > >On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan "Duke" Leto ><jonathan at leto.net> wrote: >Howdy, > >1e99 "Thank You's" for giving out so many wooden nickels. Truly. > >Please take lots of pictures at the museum and have the appropriate >amount of fun! > >Duke > >On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Wendy van Dijk ><yapc2009 at wendy.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Today I will go to San Antonio to visit Wooden Nickel, the company that > > makes the Tuits for all of us. > > http://www.wooden-nickel.com/ > > > > They have a small museum and they want to give us a tour. So we > can see the > > largest wooden nickel in the world. It is my size! > > > > I will go to San Antonio today, end of the morning, shortly after 11:00. > > If you want to join me, go to the TCC conference center, I will wait at the > > entrance. > > > > It is 1,5 hour drive to there, and again back, and I think we > will stay some > > 2-3 hours over there. After that we could have something to eat in San > > Antonio. > > > > I have a car that can have 7 people, including me. So, 6 people can join > > me. (Liz is staying here for the hackathon) > > I have 3 submissions. So 3 more people can join us. > > > > I am Wendy van Dijk aka Woolfy. I am that giant woman that loves > Perl 6 and > > I walk around with a huge box with 5,000 Tuits from building to building... > > > > Greetz, > > Wendy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > >-- >Jonathan "Duke" Leto <jonathan at leto.net> >Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com >209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net >@dukeleto > >_______________________________________________ >yapc mailing list >yapc at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidhand at davidhand.com Fri Jun 7 09:29:53 2013 From: davidhand at davidhand.com (David Hand) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:29:53 -0700 Subject: Lost at YAPC: small mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a0c3d5570e0fedd253edc0c9c2e0657.squirrel@webmail.davidhand.com> > Hey! This is promising news. > > I am still in Austin, Yes (I live here), and will head over to the LBJ > center soon in hopes that it's landed in a lost-and-found over there > somewhere. > > Thanks, Tom and Justin. Qapla' Thanks to jrockway, Brock, and Justin, I was able to enlist the help of some of the maintenance staff at the LBJ auditorium to track down the podium (on the 11th floor!) and the attached mixer. Here ya go, Timothy: http://i.imgur.com/yZvIghw.jpg -- David Hand, Ptolemarch From timothylord at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 09:31:32 2013 From: timothylord at gmail.com (Tim Lord) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:31:32 -0500 Subject: Lost at YAPC: small mixer In-Reply-To: <5a0c3d5570e0fedd253edc0c9c2e0657.squirrel@webmail.davidhand.com> References: <5a0c3d5570e0fedd253edc0c9c2e0657.squirrel@webmail.davidhand.com> Message-ID: Thanks to you all. My friend David Hand has it now -- saving me a trip out of the air conditioning ;) Thanks for all the help -- grateful for the mailing list. Tim On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, David Hand wrote: > > Hey! This is promising news. > > > > I am still in Austin, Yes (I live here), and will head over to the LBJ > > center soon in hopes that it's landed in a lost-and-found over there > > somewhere. > > > > Thanks, Tom and Justin. > > Qapla' Thanks to jrockway, Brock, and Justin, I was able to enlist the > help of some of the maintenance staff at the LBJ auditorium to track down > the podium (on the 11th floor!) and the attached mixer. > > Here ya go, Timothy: http://i.imgur.com/yZvIghw.jpg > > -- > David Hand, Ptolemarch > > -- >>>> edges are interesting <<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 18:50:36 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:50:36 -0400 Subject: Can we please get a moderator for this list? In-Reply-To: <686156C3-9928-4266-9CDC-158207D38250@iinteractive.com> References: <686156C3-9928-4266-9CDC-158207D38250@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: Moar John++! On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Stevan Little < stevan.little at iinteractive.com> wrote: > John++ > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:34 AM, John SJ Anderson > wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, John SJ Anderson > wrote: > > > >> I'll do it. I already list-mom perl-beginners. > > > > Okay, Todd accepted this. Please consider this list moderated. 8^) > > > > Please discontinue the coffee threads, the "unsubscribe me" threads, > > and the other related "what's a ragequit?" threads. > > > > Anybody wanting off the list that can't do it themselves, email me > directly. > > > > Safe travels to you all, see you in Orlando (if not before). > > > > john. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faelin.landy at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 22:21:37 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:21:37 -0400 Subject: Moose Help Message-ID: Is there a Moose mailing list? If not, what was the Perl-help mailing list? I have a really annoying error in Moose on Strawberry Perl: C:\Users\Faelin\Desktop\WorldSim>perl Region.pl > Container.pm did not return a true value at > C:/strawberry/perl/site/lib/Moose/Exporter.pm line 409. Where Container.pm is a role consumed by Region.pl Thanks in advance for any help, Faelin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zhtwnpanta at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 22:24:26 2013 From: zhtwnpanta at gmail.com (Noel Maddy) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:24:26 -0400 Subject: Moose Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The last line in your module needs to be a true value. Usually done by putting "1;" on the last line. On Jun 8, 2013 12:21 AM, "Faelin McCaley Landy" wrote: Is there a Moose mailing list? If not, what was the Perl-help mailing list? I have a really annoying error in Moose on Strawberry Perl: C:\Users\Faelin\Desktop\WorldSim>perl Region.pl > Container.pm did not return a true value at > C:/strawberry/perl/site/lib/Moose/Exporter.pm line 409. Where Container.pm is a role consumed by Region.pl Thanks in advance for any help, Faelin _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at darrenduncan.net Fri Jun 7 23:00:37 2013 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 23:00:37 -0700 Subject: Moose Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B2C885.7050107@darrenduncan.net> For general Perl help, try the IRC channel #perl-help on irc.perl.org or the #perl channel on chat.freenode.net . The moose mailing list is moose at perl.org . See http://search.cpan.org/dist/Moose/lib/Moose.pm#GETTING_HELP . Often times, if you want help with a particular module, look in its main documentation near the bottom, it usually says where to get help. -- Darren Duncan On 2013.06.07 10:24 PM, Noel Maddy wrote: > The last line in your module needs to be a true value. Usually done by putting > "1;" on the last line. > >> On Jun 8, 2013 12:21 AM, "Faelin McCaley Landy" wrote: >> >> Is there a Moose mailing list? If not, what was the Perl-help mailing list? I >> have a really annoying error in Moose on Strawberry Perl: >> >> C:\Users\Faelin\Desktop\WorldSim>perl Region.pl >> Container.pm did not return a true value at >> C:/strawberry/perl/site/lib/Moose/Exporter.pm line 409. >> >> >> Where Container.pm is a role consumed by Region.pl >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any help, >> Faelin From jonathan at leto.net Sat Jun 8 07:22:59 2013 From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:22:59 -0500 Subject: [SPAM:###] Sand is for sand castles Message-ID: <2149_1370701380_51B33E43_2149_84_1_CABQG1aQtgHFSWPmiMWbvb8G=R08w=xqQYVVT4Wb=gm--a+vMBQ@mail.gmail.com> Howdy, I apologize for my now infamous "eat sand" comment. It was not appropriate for this mailing list. Duke -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto Leto Labs LLC http://letolabs.com 209.691.DUKE http://duke.leto.net @dukeleto From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 10 01:09:03 2013 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:09:03 -0400 Subject: stuff you may have missed at yapc::austin Message-ID: <51B5899F.8040307@stemsystems.com> hi all, i hope you all had a (heat) blast in austin last week. i used weatherspark.com to see pretty charts of the daily sinusoidal temp curve. from 65F at about 3am to 95F at 2pm. mornings and later evenings were ok but only mad dogs and perlers were out in the midday sun. since my boss was with me and we had 2.5 days to explore, we saw a bunch of things that many of you may have missed. i know i missed a lot but you can't be in more than 2.7 places at a time. we learned about magnolia cafe in the south congress shopping area. they have two mottos: '24/8' and 'sorry, we're open'. ended up there three times for great diner stuff with tex/mex and more. always busy and worth a wait. lots of indoor and outdoor seating and their own parking (a big + there). must be the peak season but everywhere we kept getting very good strawberries. i had a grilled cheese from burro on south congress. what seems to be a food truck or similar is actually made from a cargo container. the corrugated steel sides and heavy duty frame are painted a bright yellow. they make all kinds of grilled cheese with a variety of add-ins and sauces. i wasn't able to stay long but i heard that at 5pm that friday they were giving out free beer. they had a pony keg ready to go. we had a nice and QUIET meal at the old pecan street cafe. a couple of times we went to the whole foods mothership. having been to many WF stores all over the country, all i can say is beam me up! this was the most interesting thing we did. we drove out to the hamilton pool, about 30 miles west of austin. it is a very large round grotto with a massive overhanging cliff. a 50 waterfall drops over the cliff and into a large green (not healthy to swim in) pool. we were told in some years the waterfall dries up but it was flowing well. the pool has been used for swimming for over 8k years. the hike was 1/4 mile across and 80 ft down. it felt much harder as the path was uneven in spots. lots of stone and log steps with roots and rocks everywhere. worth the walk for the beauty of it. i wiki'ed about esther's follies but no one joined us. it was an hysterical musical satire/comedy and magic show. they ripped on rick perry, austin liberals, how hot it is, politics, scandals and more. the magic was very good and funny too. the wierdest thing (remember, keep austin wierd!) was that the back of the stage is a pair of large windows so outsiders can look in and participate! many times some cast people and props were put out there for a bizarre affect. the double feature at the alamo draft house had about 50 ticket buyers but maybe 35 showed up. the president's analyst was the first flick and both dha and i got lots of kudos for picking that one. a bunch of early sleepers left after that and only a select few enjoyed the danny kaye antics in the court jester. let's just leave at that it has one of the funniest and magnetic verbal jousting scenes in film history. just beware of the drink and its container! the perl jobs bof was a raving success as everyone said i was raving mad! 24 intrepid souls dropped by. the agenda on the wiki was covered in the strictest of fashion. there were even some practice conversations to show how to do interviews. many of the attendees contributed ideas, stories, do's and don'ts, etc. my goal is to expand it next year to a symposium with other related topics like the telecommuting talk held this year. several of the yapc royalty liked this idea so look for something coming down your tubes. the lbj library was a big hit. several yapc'ers went and told me it was worth it so we went on thursday. i was a boy during his day and remember it vaguely. i knew he was a powerful president but seeing how much he got done, his struggles with viet nam, the amazing major bills and acts he got passed was a great education. among all the multimedia stuff were displays of very nostalgic 60's culture. i saw the game operation(!), magazine covers, movie posters, clothing, albums (surrealistic pillow and the first grateful dead vinyl!!), etc. it was a momentous decade and lbj was as much a part as anything and larger than most. on a more personal side, i converted many new and some older tcp based entities into carbon based life forms. some will even get stored in my bit dropping memory banks. others will need refreshing or they will be garbage collected. perhaps i will make some good business connections as that seemed to go well. anyhow, glad to be home with daytime temps around 75F and nice breezes. ahhhhhhh! thanx, uri -- Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers http://PerlHunter.com From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 10 07:45:44 2013 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:45:44 -0400 Subject: ode to the grackle Message-ID: <51B5E698.5090208@stemsystems.com> a texan avian, the grackle, will loudly coo, caw and cackle. as tom lehrer said, they're better off dead, by cyanide applied like spackle. uri -- Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers http://PerlHunter.com From sean at quinlan.org Mon Jun 10 08:16:49 2013 From: sean at quinlan.org (Sean Quinlan) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:16:49 -0400 Subject: ode to the grackle In-Reply-To: <51B5E698.5090208@stemsystems.com> References: <51B5E698.5090208@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: Poetry! On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > > a texan avian, the grackle, > will loudly coo, caw and cackle. > as tom lehrer said, > they're better off dead, > by cyanide applied like spackle. > > uri > > -- > Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter > The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers > http://PerlHunter.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hank.sola at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 14:22:36 2013 From: hank.sola at gmail.com (Hank Sola) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:22:36 -0400 Subject: ode to the grackle In-Reply-To: References: <51B5E698.5090208@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: Love it. But I would have been kinder to the grackles. I kind of like them. -Hank On Jun 10, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Sean Quinlan wrote: > Poetry! > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: >> >> a texan avian, the grackle, >> will loudly coo, caw and cackle. >> as tom lehrer said, >> they're better off dead, >> by cyanide applied like spackle. >> >> uri >> >> -- >> Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter >> The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers >> http://PerlHunter.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uberthoth at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 15:16:12 2013 From: uberthoth at gmail.com (Josh Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:16:12 -0500 Subject: ode to the grackle In-Reply-To: References: <51B5E698.5090208@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: I can attest to the fact that they are mean and they run off the other birds that I'd rather have. Although I'm not spackling cyanide yet, but I'll consider it! Josh Cox From tom at tomlegrady.com Mon Jun 10 16:23:48 2013 From: tom at tomlegrady.com (Tom Legrady) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:23:48 -0400 Subject: stuff you may have missed at yapc::austin In-Reply-To: <51B5899F.8040307@stemsystems.com> References: <51B5899F.8040307@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: I believe in Texas they call that cool spring weather. Tom On 2013-06-10, at 4:09 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > hi all, > > i hope you all had a (heat) blast in austin last week. i used weatherspark.com to see pretty charts of the daily sinusoidal temp curve. from 65F at about 3am to 95F at 2pm. mornings and later evenings were ok but only mad dogs and perlers were out in the midday sun. From uberthoth at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 17:19:31 2013 From: uberthoth at gmail.com (Josh Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:19:31 -0500 Subject: stuff you may have missed at yapc::austin In-Reply-To: References: <51B5899F.8040307@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: >glad to be home with daytime temps around 75F and nice breezes. ahhhhhhh!< >>I believe in Texas they call that cool spring weather.<< Oh lord yes, hi's @ 75 and nice breezes, As for this summer heat we call that 'hotter than hades' just like the rest of you. There are three really unpleasant months in Texas. June is the first of them, we Texans like to spend this time in or near bodies of water with copious amounts of frosty cold beer applied liberally internally. But the rest of the year (after August is done cooking us) is much more akin to a yankee summer for about nine months it's really pleasant with the average temp usually not far from t-shirt weather with a freeze once in a blue moon (just like summer in Michigan). I've heard that this yapc::na is stuck in this month, so I'd like to encourage everyone to think about a workshop or something in Austin in spring or fall when the sinusoidal range of temperatures goes from 62 - 72. Cheers! Josh Cox 1105 W. Oltorf Austin, TX 78704-5328 (432) 466-9688 (512) 441-5269 A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. (Robert A. Heinlein) On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Tom Legrady wrote: > I believe in Texas they call that cool spring weather. > > Tom > On 2013-06-10, at 4:09 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> i hope you all had a (heat) blast in austin last week. i used weatherspark.com to see pretty charts of the daily sinusoidal temp curve. from 65F at about 3am to 95F at 2pm. mornings and later evenings were ok but only mad dogs and perlers were out in the midday sun. > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From jkeen at verizon.net Mon Jun 10 18:12:03 2013 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:12:03 -0400 Subject: stuff you may have missed at yapc::austin In-Reply-To: References: <51B5899F.8040307@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <51B67963.8040807@verizon.net> On 6/10/13 8:19 PM, Josh Cox wrote: >> glad to be home with daytime temps around 75F and nice breezes. ahhhhhhh!< >>> I believe in Texas they call that cool spring weather.<< > > so > I'd like to encourage everyone to think about a workshop or something > in Austin in spring or fall when the sinusoidal range of temperatures > goes from 62 - 72. > An excellent time and location for the type of low-effort hackathon I described in my lightning talk last Monday. Take it away! jimk From faelin.landy at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 19:49:44 2013 From: faelin.landy at gmail.com (Faelin McCaley Landy) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:49:44 -0400 Subject: ode to the grackle In-Reply-To: References: <51B5E698.5090208@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: I approve heartily. Very impressive writing. ~Faelin On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Hank Sola wrote: > Love it. But I would have been kinder to the grackles. 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In the future, oh please, Think him not a disease-- Or at least, just watch out where you park. -Chris Millard From: yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+cmillard=athenahealth.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Faelin McCaley Landy Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:50 PM To: yapc at pm.org Subject: Re: ode to the grackle I approve heartily. Very impressive writing. ~Faelin On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Hank Sola > wrote: Love it. But I would have been kinder to the grackles. I kind of like them. -Hank On Jun 10, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Sean Quinlan > wrote: Poetry! 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