[yapc] Missing subcribers

[Uri Guttman]

On 05/25/2012 01:43 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 01:03:14PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> On 05/25/2012 09:38 AM, Matt S Trout wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote:
>>>> Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I,
>>>> however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse
>>>> to auto-subscribe everyone.
>>>
>>
>> we have always autosubscribed attendees to the list and it is not an
>> optin/optout issue. many attendees are first timers and don't know about
>> the mailing list. even if they were notified by the web site when they
>> bought their pass, many would not see it. no one has ever complained
>> about the autosubscribe in 10 years. attending yapc is a community thing
>> and we did lots of communication on the list. this is why i am seeing
>> such a low response to the arrival dinner, many of the attendees are not
>> seeing the emails. this has to be changed IMO and even fixed now. this
>> is not spamming at all. if you want your blogs and posts to be seen by
>> all interested parties, then subscribe all of the attendees now while we
>> have 2 weeks left before yapc. other than you and a bit from me, this
>> list is dead. it has been a very lively place in past yapcs and that was
>> only because of the autosubscribe.
>
> Precisely. I'm expecting to have to have Hallway++ people camp the
> registration desk to make sure that people who're at their first YAPC
> even find out it exists.
>
> Not having all attendees on here has gutted our primary means of
> intra-community communication.

if mst and i are in violent agreement here, there must be something 
right about our view to autosubscribe all attendees. it has always been 
that way with no complaints. mst and i have seen this list as he says 
above, is the PRIMARY means of communication about yapc. not having all 
attendees on this list cuts it off at the knees. notice we are seeing 
almost no emails from the larger attendee pool since they are not 
subscribed. we would have threads on travel issues. sharing rooms/cars, 
bofs, arrival dinner menus, etc. none of that is happening. jt said he 
wanted more energy by posting a blog a day which is all good but then he 
disables that very notion by not subscribing all attendees. and he 
didn't tell anyone or ask for feedback. he runs this yapc sure but he 
shouldn't have the only say in how this list is run and such. we 
expected this list to be used by the yapc attendees but it is dormant.

example: i posted again about the arrival dinner. maybe 3-4 more people 
signed up to it. this is two weeks until yapc. that is absurd. i can't 
reach all the newcomers as they are not subscribed. this is an event 
many of them would want to go to but they don't know about it. i have no 
other way of telling them. the blog isn't read bu everyone (and nothing 
has been blogged yet about the arrival dinner).

uri