From raven at phoenyx.net Sun Jul 1 15:27:17 2007 From: raven at phoenyx.net (Carl D Cravens) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:27:17 -0500 Subject: [yapc] What I took from YAPC::NA 2007 Message-ID: <46882A45.7040109@phoenyx.net> I'd never been to a computing conference, so I wasn't entirely sure what to expect. (I've been to a lot of week-long training sessions, which are very different.) This made me nervous... I was going in large part because my wife wanted to go, but my boss said the company would pay my way (despite his low opinion of Perl). So I was asking myself, "What am I going to get from this conference that is going to benefit my employer?" YAPC confirmed my greatest fear... I don't know enough Perl. I learned Perl from the first-edition Llama book, which was Perl 4. I was doing tech support for an ISP, bucking for a promotion to Unix systems admin (I hate phones), and was in my second year of college (mid-twenties, having started college late). So most of my Perl was sysadmin stuff, and when Perl 5 came out, it took me awhile to switch. I owned Programming Perl, which, as far as I can remember, was pretty much just a hard copy of the manpages. Back when Perl 5 came out, there wasn't much in the way of tutorial for the new stuff... modules, OO, references, etc. And I hit a point where I figured I'd been programming Perl for a few years, I had moved into a maintenence-phase job with little room for coding, and I just never bothered to learn much more. I never learned how to properly write a module, just _why_ "my" was better than "local" or any of that "advanced" stuff. My wife owns nearly every O'Reilly Perl book, but I've never bothered to read them, mostly because I've always been a Unix sysadmin "utility programmer" and not a real application developer. So this is what I took from YAPC... a real desire to learn Perl at a deeper level. I sat in talks going, "I didn't know that!" about fairly simple but non-obvious stuff. Many of the talks went over my head really quickly, though that was as much from presentation speed as not understanding the concepts. Right before I left for YAPC, I'd decided to take O'Reilly's Safari service for a trial spin... I figured for $20, it was worth a look. And since I could read any books I wanted, I decided to start at the beginning... to work my way through the modern Llama book. Sure, some of it's tedious, because I "know" all this basic stuff. But I'm quickly finding that there are all kinds of little things I didn't know. I didn't know that foreach iteration variables are automatically scoped to the foreach block. I didn't know (hold on to your hats) that an array in scalar context returns the number of elements in the array... I've been using $#foo+1 all these years. What did my employer get out of YAPC? Well, I'm dedicated to becoming a better Perl programmer, which is a plus for them. And I did learn about a lot of neat modules. And I started to make connections in the community... there was an attendee from my own city, who wants to start a PM here, and I didn't even know he was attending. I don't think I got a huge amount of immediate return on my investment... there wasn't much I can go back to work with and suddenly transform my job. But I think as a long-term investment, YAPC was well worth it. A year from now, I'll be a much better Perl coder, and maybe have contributed a module or two of my own to CPAN. Even if it's just in the Acme namespace. :) I'm looking forward to YAPC::NA 2008. -- Carl D Cravens (raven at phoenyx.net) Don't bother pressing that key, there is no Esc. From Matthew.Kosmoski at argis.com Sun Jul 1 18:34:50 2007 From: Matthew.Kosmoski at argis.com (Kosmoski, Matthew) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 01:34:50 +0000 Subject: [yapc] Slides: Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications References: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E731242@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> <66887a3d0706300004u28346071q7eac867e0e20bf92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E012260D6@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> I do believe there is a link, but I'm on my pda so I can't get it right now. I'll send it to you when I can. -MK -----Original Message----- From: pharkins at gmail.com on behalf of Perrin Harkins Sent: Sat 6/30/2007 2:04 AM To: Kosmoski, Matthew Cc: YAPC; Ellenbaum, Dan; Harder, Paul; Haynie, Craig Subject: Re: [yapc] Slides: Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications On 6/29/07, Kosmoski, Matthew wrote: > Several of my colleagues (including some who attended his talk) would like > him to post his slides from "Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications" > to the wiki to review and to discuss. Sure thing. There doesn't seem to be a place for slide links on the wiki yet, so I guess I'll make one. Feature request for next year: slide URLs attached to the description of the talk. - Perrin From schwern at pobox.com Sun Jul 1 22:56:44 2007 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 22:56:44 -0700 Subject: [yapc] perlsocial Message-ID: <4688939C.40708@pobox.com> Will the person who wanted a "perlsocial" man page at the YAPC town hall please stand up? (Please stand up. Please stand up.) I'd like to see that get done. From jose.castro at log.pt Mon Jul 2 00:46:46 2007 From: jose.castro at log.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Alves_de_Castro?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:46:46 +0100 Subject: [yapc] perlsocial In-Reply-To: <4688939C.40708@pobox.com> References: <4688939C.40708@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Jul 2, 2007, at 6:56 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Will the person who wanted a "perlsocial" man page at the YAPC town > hall > please stand up? (Please stand up. Please stand up.) That person was Edgar Bering, aka Trizor on Perlmonks. Like Util said, we already have the approval of Larry to put that manpage on perl. I'm taking this into my own hands now (given that I am now the "Community Relations Leader" for TPF). I'll be in contact with Edgar and Bruce to get this done. And I'll also be in contact with anyone else who wants to be, of course :-) I'd say "patches welcome", but I guess first I should give you guys something you can patch O:-) I'll take care of that :-) Cheers, jac > I'd like to see that get done. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc ------------------------------------------- Jos? Castro Applicational Development Leader log Tel: +351 21 330 42 20 Fax: +351 21 330 42 19 Cal?ada Marqu?s de Abrantes, 45 - 3? Dto 1200-718 Lisboa ------------------------------------------- From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Mon Jul 2 05:12:27 2007 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:12:27 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Town Hall Notes? Message-ID: <4688EBAB.3070404@buffalo.edu> Did anyone take notes at the town hall? Are they posted somewhere? I had to leave a bit early, but I'd love to see a summary of what was discussed. Thanks, Jim -- Jim Brandt Conferences Chair The Perl Foundation email: cbrandt at perlfoundation.org IM: cbrandtbuffalo at mac.com perlmonks: cbrandtbuffalo From Matthew.Kosmoski at argis.com Mon Jul 2 06:34:38 2007 From: Matthew.Kosmoski at argis.com (Kosmoski, Matthew) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:34:38 +0000 Subject: [yapc] perlsocial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E731246@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> Guys- Edgar has already posted a draft to the perl5-porters list, which appears to have gotten several replies: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2007/06/msg125856.html He is currently in Europe, but has said he will monitoring that thread as he is able. -- Matthew "Kosmo" Kosmoski -----Original Message----- From: yapc-bounces+matthew.kosmoski=argis.com at pm.org [mailto:yapc-bounces+matthew.kosmoski=argis.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jos? Alves de Castro Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:47 AM To: yapc Subject: Re: [yapc] perlsocial On Jul 2, 2007, at 6:56 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Will the person who wanted a "perlsocial" man page at the YAPC town > hall please stand up? (Please stand up. Please stand up.) That person was Edgar Bering, aka Trizor on Perlmonks. Like Util said, we already have the approval of Larry to put that manpage on perl. I'm taking this into my own hands now (given that I am now the "Community Relations Leader" for TPF). I'll be in contact with Edgar and Bruce to get this done. And I'll also be in contact with anyone else who wants to be, of course :-) I'd say "patches welcome", but I guess first I should give you guys something you can patch O:-) I'll take care of that :-) Cheers, jac > I'd like to see that get done. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc ------------------------------------------- Jos? Castro Applicational Development Leader log Tel: +351 21 330 42 20 Fax: +351 21 330 42 19 Cal?ada Marqu?s de Abrantes, 45 - 3? Dto 1200-718 Lisboa ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From nycamel at zeroth.dyn.dhs.org Mon Jul 2 07:22:48 2007 From: nycamel at zeroth.dyn.dhs.org (Mark P Sullivan) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:22:48 -0400 Subject: [yapc] perlsocial In-Reply-To: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E731246@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> References: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E731246@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> Message-ID: <20070702142248.GA21067@zeroth.dyn.dhs.org> On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:34:38PM +0000, Kosmoski, Matthew wrote: > Edgar has already posted a draft to the perl5-porters list, which appears to have gotten several replies: > http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2007/06/msg125856.html > He is currently in Europe, but has said he will monitoring that thread as he is able. I think I'm the guy who started the town hall thread of a man page (calling it "perlsocial" rather than the already-in-motion "perlsociety" or "perlcommunity"). I thought the idea was original, but I see it's been around for a little while: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2000/09/msg17846.html I declare my ignorance of much of the institutions, but I'd be happy to offer a (mostly) new-comer perspective and do grammar etc proof-reading. --mark From karen.cravens at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:36:38 2007 From: karen.cravens at gmail.com (Karen) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:36:38 -0500 Subject: [yapc] What I took from YAPC::NA 2007 In-Reply-To: <46882A45.7040109@phoenyx.net> References: <46882A45.7040109@phoenyx.net> Message-ID: <7cc7c1ce0707021036g5fc079dhc19ed06e03fabd5b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/07, Carl D Cravens wrote: > YAPC confirmed my greatest fear... I don't know enough Perl. I know a whole lotta Perl. And I learned that I still don't know enough Perl. Carl introduced me to Perl, amusingly enough. I've been a BASIC programmer since way back, and IIRC was still doing it professionally at the time. And I was griping about the fact that all the good stuff (using databases and such) were pay-for, and Carl said "If you wrote in Perl you could use CPAN stuff." At the time, I think the Phoenyx was running UUCP on a DOS (or maybe Win3.1) box, under Visual Basic (or its predecessor that ran under DOS... it's all fuzzy). And I didn't much care for Pascal and its descendants (which is still how I regard C, and never mind that I just came off a two-year-long "temporary" Delphi contract job), so I was all "Bah, programming languages with semicolons." (I've always been a UI curmudgeon, and the university's Pascal compiler and its "Semicolon expected" errors... if you knew enough to expect a semicolon, assume one!... pretty much put me off anything with semicolons.) And eventually I gave in, and the rest is history. > So this is what I took from YAPC... a real desire to learn Perl at a > deeper level. I sat in talks going, "I didn't know that!" about fairly > simple but non-obvious stuff. Many of the talks went over my head > really quickly, though that was as much from presentation speed as not > understanding the concepts. m3 t00. Some of that may have had to do with getting distracted by the irc chatter, though. > Right before I left for YAPC, I'd decided to take O'Reilly's Safari > service for a trial spin... I figured for $20, it was worth a look. And > since I could read any books I wanted, I decided to start at the > beginning... to work my way through the modern Llama book. But did he mention this to me? No, no he didn't. > Sure, some of it's tedious, because I "know" all this basic stuff. But > I'm quickly finding that there are all kinds of little things I didn't > know. I didn't know that foreach iteration variables are automatically > scoped to the foreach block. I didn't know (hold on to your hats) that > an array in scalar context returns the number of elements in the > array... I've been using $#foo+1 all these years. Could be worse. I always forget how to do the $#foo thing. #$foo? No, wait, that's not it. #@foo? Uh... heck with it, scalar @foo -1. > What did my employer get out of YAPC? Well, I'm dedicated to becoming a > better Perl programmer, which is a plus for them. And I did learn about > a lot of neat modules. And I started to make connections in the > community... there was an attendee from my own city, who wants to start > a PM here, and I didn't even know he was attending. Did we ever meet him outside of IRC? > I'm looking forward to YAPC::NA 2008. As long as it's within driving distance. From Dan.Ellenbaum at weatherinsight.com Mon Jul 2 10:54:25 2007 From: Dan.Ellenbaum at weatherinsight.com (Ellenbaum, Dan) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:54:25 +0000 Subject: [yapc] Slides: Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications In-Reply-To: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E012260D6@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> Message-ID: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373ED058C4@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> Thanks, Perrin I look forward to sharing this with my boss! Regards, Dan Ellenbaum Software Engineer / Lead Web Developer Weather Insight, L.P. www.WeatherInsight.com 713-361-4965 Weather Insight - Weather for Financial Markets This email message (including for all purposes any attachments hereto) is intended only for the use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipients of this email message, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email message in error, please notify Weather Insight. at (713) 361-4950, and permanently delete the original and any copy of this email message and destroy any printout hereof. Nothing in this email message is intended to waive the confidentiality of any portion of its contents. -----Original Message----- From: Kosmoski, Matthew Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:35 PM To: Perrin Harkins Cc: YAPC; Ellenbaum, Dan; Harder, Paul; Haynie, Craig Subject: RE: [yapc] Slides: Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications I do believe there is a link, but I'm on my pda so I can't get it right now. I'll send it to you when I can. -MK -----Original Message----- From: pharkins at gmail.com on behalf of Perrin Harkins Sent: Sat 6/30/2007 2:04 AM To: Kosmoski, Matthew Cc: YAPC; Ellenbaum, Dan; Harder, Paul; Haynie, Craig Subject: Re: [yapc] Slides: Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications On 6/29/07, Kosmoski, Matthew wrote: > Several of my colleagues (including some who attended his talk) would > like him to post his slides from "Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications" > to the wiki to review and to discuss. Sure thing. There doesn't seem to be a place for slide links on the wiki yet, so I guess I'll make one. Feature request for next year: slide URLs attached to the description of the talk. - Perrin From jkeen at verizon.net Mon Jul 2 15:56:53 2007 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James Keenan) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:56:53 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Parrot BOF Attendees: Are You Hooked Up? Message-ID: If you attended the Parrot BOF at YAPC one week ago tonight and do not yet have some part of the project to work on, please contact me off-list so that we can pair you up with a current Parrot hacker. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From perrin at elem.com Tue Jul 3 09:28:01 2007 From: perrin at elem.com (Perrin Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:28:01 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Slides: Caring and Feeding of Large Web Applications In-Reply-To: <66887a3d0706300004u28346071q7eac867e0e20bf92@mail.gmail.com> References: <4141398211C94E4D8A19B99270FA373E731242@EXCHVS.arghou.argcorp.argworldwide.com> <66887a3d0706300004u28346071q7eac867e0e20bf92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66887a3d0707030928t1faec682n99f5429ce533109@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/07, Perrin Harkins wrote: > Feature request for next year: > slide URLs attached to the description of the talk. It seems that this is already there, so I've added my URL. For those too lazy to go to the site: http://people.plusthree.com/~perrin/care_and_feeding_yapc.pdf.gz - Perrin From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk Thu Jul 5 06:21:50 2007 From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:21:50 +0100 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA 2007 Photos Online Message-ID: <20070705132150.GT2780@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> Hi folks, Finally got the time to sort through my photos from last week. From over 2,000 photos, I've got them down to just over 700. Enjoy :) http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/album/36 - YAPC::NA 2007 - The flight from Newark to Houston http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/album/37 - YAPC::NA 2007 - The early arrivals http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/album/38 - YAPC::NA 2007 - Day One http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/album/39 - YAPC::NA 2007 - Day Two http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/album/40 - YAPC::NA 2007 - Day Three http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/album/41 - YAPC::NA 2007 - NASA Space Center Barbie. -- Birmingham Perl Mongers - http://birmingham.pm.org Miss Barbell Productions - http://www.missbarbell.co.uk From fluhmann at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 13:24:45 2007 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:24:45 -0500 Subject: [yapc] post-yapc catch-up Message-ID: <7f7c2d5e0707121324l3c89a2ecq748cf486c562db85@mail.gmail.com> I've been working on finishing up some final issues regarding yapc. If you've sent me a message and haven't received a response back, I'll be doing my best to get a response to you by tonight. Thanks, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20070712/7847ab55/attachment.html