From uri at stemsystems.com Thu Apr 7 14:03:11 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:03:30 2005 Subject: [yapc] anyone home? Message-ID: TESTING! TESTING! can anyone hear me? uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From chris at cwinters.com Thu Apr 7 14:30:49 2005 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:20:33 2005 Subject: [yapc] anyone home? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050407213049.GA24872@www.openinteract.org> * Uri Guttman (uri@stemsystems.com) [050407 17:14]: > TESTING! TESTING! can anyone hear me? echo echo echo... -- Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com) Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988 From uri at stemsystems.com Thu Apr 7 14:43:16 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:35 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar Message-ID: yes, this list seems to be working so we will probably use it for yapc::toronto. i recall we autosubscribed all registrants (or had a flag on the registration form) to this list. anyone know who owns/manages it? some early socialist plans: sunday, june 26 arrival dinner (TBD) (pay for yourself) possible movie after that. (IMAX and plenty of screens in walking distance). (unsponsored so far. hint!) monday june 27 scavenger hunt. dunno much about this but it sounds like fun! Tuesday -- boat cruise around Toronto Habour / Lake Ontario. that is the conference dinner (paid for!) and also the auction. so board with an appetite and plenty of cash! uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From rdice at pobox.com Thu Apr 7 15:08:31 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:08:58 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4255AF5F.1090202@pobox.com> Thanks to Uri for jump-starting the socialism (well, socializing) discussion for YAPC::NA 2005 in Toronto. I'm not sure who all is subscribed to this list, but I think it is mainly people who have attended YAPC::NA conferences in past years (especially 2004 in Buffalo). In case anyone on this list doesn't know, YAPC::NA is being held in Toronto this year, Mon - Wed 27 - 29 June 2005. If you're interested in attending, please read the registration announcement, http://yapc.org/America/registration-announcement-2005.txt and then go here http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml to get the link to the web-form for registration. There is no deadline for registration as such, but our primary group accommodations reservation will expire as of Thursday 12 May and it could be very difficult to get desirable (and eventually, any) accommodations after that. If you're interested in being a speaker at the conference, please read http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml and make a submission via the web-form linked to from in this page. The deadline for the call-for-papers is Monday 18 April 2005. How to book accommodations will be emailed directly to registrants shortly after registering, and will also be posted to the web site in detail soon. Any questions? Just get in touch with me! Thanks, and I hope to see you in Toronto in June for the conference... Cheers, - Richard Conference Chairman, Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, 2005 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada Uri Guttman wrote: > yes, this list seems to be working so we will probably use it for > yapc::toronto. i recall we autosubscribed all registrants (or had a > flag on the registration form) to this list. anyone know who > owns/manages it? > > some early socialist plans: > > sunday, june 26 > > arrival dinner (TBD) (pay for yourself) > possible movie after that. > (IMAX and plenty of screens in walking > distance). (unsponsored so far. hint!) > monday june 27 > > scavenger hunt. dunno much about this but it sounds like fun! > > Tuesday -- boat cruise around Toronto Habour / Lake Ontario. > > that is the conference dinner (paid for!) and also the auction. so board > with an appetite and plenty of cash! > > uri > From dada.da at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 15:42:07 2005 From: dada.da at gmail.com (Daniel Allen) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:42:16 2005 Subject: [yapc] Welcome back Message-ID: As Richard said, this list will be used for official and unofficial YAPC updates, as in previous years since 2003. Welcome back. To answer Uri's question about who is in charge of the list, technically it's Jeff Bizbee of YAS, but really since it's Mailman-administered, we should be able to manage our own subscription/unsubscription (see the headers and footer for hints). If you have mailing-list related questions, feel free to bother Michael Graham, , the Communications Czar, or myself, , an Official Flunky. Other questions might be directed at Richard Dice, the main YAPC organizer, but he's really busy so you should probably bother one of us first. :) We're working on getting the wiki reactivated, and will send a note when that's been done. Please make yourselves at home, etc. etc... Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers - da@kw.pm.org From moylek at mcmaster.ca Thu Apr 7 15:56:07 2005 From: moylek at mcmaster.ca (Kenneth Moyle) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:56:18 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <4255AF5F.1090202@pobox.com> References: <4255AF5F.1090202@pobox.com> Message-ID: On 7-Apr-05, at 6:08 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > > How to book accommodations will be emailed directly to registrants > shortly after registering, and will also be posted to the web site in > detail soon. > > Any questions? Just get in touch with me! > > Thanks, and I hope to see you in Toronto in June for the conference... > > Cheers, > > Yikes: 89chestnut.com is already saying that there are no rooms for 26 - 28 June. Did I mention 'yikes?' Yikes, Ken Moyle -- Kenneth C. Moyle -> Analyst, Research & High-Performance Computing Support -> moylek@mcmaster.ca - (905) 525-9140 x26872 -> http://newman.mcmaster.ca/~moylek McMaster University - Hamilton, Ontario (Canada) From rdice at pobox.com Thu Apr 7 16:01:06 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Thu Apr 7 16:01:35 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: References: <4255AF5F.1090202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4255BBB2.1080502@pobox.com> > Yikes: 89chestnut.com is already saying that there are no rooms for > 26 - 28 June. Did I mention 'yikes?' That freaked out Geoff Young, too: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/01/1634248&tid=25&tid=43 This means that there are no free rooms open to the public. It takes into account the block of 250 rooms that I have reserved for YAPC use. On Fri 13 May, whatever YAPC rooms are not booked will be released to the public at large, at which point in time other people will start gobbling them up. When people register for the conference we send them out an email with the booking code that allows people to book for YAPC. We will update the http://yapc.org/America/ site with this information shortly as well. Cheers, Richard From jkeen at verizon.net Thu Apr 7 17:09:01 2005 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James Keenan) Date: Thu Apr 7 17:09:16 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <4255BBB2.1080502@pobox.com> References: <4255AF5F.1090202@pobox.com> <4255BBB2.1080502@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2656956d931a1d8956267fc0895486cd@verizon.net> On Apr 7, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > > When people register for the conference we send them out an email with > the booking code that allows people to book for YAPC. We will update > the http://yapc.org/America/ site with this information shortly as > well. > Really? I got an e-mail from billing@yapc.org confirming my registration -- but it contained no booking code and no reference to 89 Chestnut. Have some registrants gotten confirmations with booking codes and others without? jimk > Billie Holiday Festival: April 1-15, 2005, 24 hours a day. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/wkcr/netcastload.html From magog at the-wire.com Thu Apr 7 17:22:55 2005 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Thu Apr 7 17:21:18 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <2656956d931a1d8956267fc0895486cd@verizon.net> References: <4255BBB2.1080502@pobox.com> <2656956d931a1d8956267fc0895486cd@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20050407201915.4221.MAGOG@the-wire.com> > Really? I got an e-mail from billing@yapc.org confirming my > registration -- but it contained no booking code and no reference to 89 > Chestnut. > > Have some registrants gotten confirmations with booking codes and > others without? The accommodations info has not been sent yet. I'm just getting ready to send it out to the registrants now. It should arrive some time this evening. For people who have not yet registered, the YAPC::NA web pages will also be updated with the accommodation info this evening. Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Graham YAPC::NA 2005 Toronto - http://www.yapc.org/America/ - na-help@yapc.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kcivey at cpcug.org Thu Apr 7 19:16:08 2005 From: kcivey at cpcug.org (Keith Ivey) Date: Thu Apr 7 19:16:20 2005 Subject: [yapc] anyone home? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4255E968.4030609@cpcug.org> Uri Guttman wrote: > TESTING! TESTING! can anyone hear me? I can. Not registered yet, but probably will over the weekend. -- Keith C. Ivey Washington, DC From uri at stemsystems.com Thu Apr 7 19:24:24 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Thu Apr 7 19:52:41 2005 Subject: [yapc] Welcome back In-Reply-To: (Daniel Allen's message of "Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:42:07 -0400") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "DA" == Daniel Allen writes: DA> As Richard said, this list will be used for official and unofficial DA> YAPC updates, as in previous years since 2003. Welcome back. DA> To answer Uri's question about who is in charge of the list, DA> technically it's Jeff Bizbee of YAS, but really since it's DA> Mailman-administered, we should be able to manage our own DA> subscription/unsubscription (see the headers and footer for hints). DA> If you have mailing-list related questions, feel free to bother DA> Michael Graham, , the Communications Czar, or DA> myself, , an Official Flunky. my list owner interest was because of stuff like list settings (reply-to, etc.) and also autosubscribing those who register (or have a form flag which asks to be on this list (default on!). so list owner intervention may be needed. DA> Other questions might be directed at Richard Dice, the main YAPC DA> organizer, but he's really busy so you should probably bother one of DA> us first. :) i will bother anyone who i feel like bothering and richard is high on my list! actually we have already been bothering each other on irc and email but this is now public bothering. DA> We're working on getting the wiki reactivated, and will send a note DA> when that's been done. Please make yourselves at home, etc. etc... you don't want to know how at home i feel here! :-O uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From sghosh at sghosh.org Thu Apr 7 21:17:52 2005 From: sghosh at sghosh.org (Subhendu Ghosh) Date: Thu Apr 7 21:18:06 2005 Subject: [yapc] anyone home? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Uri Guttman wrote: > > TESTING! TESTING! can anyone hear me? > > uri > > echo! echo! -- -sg From rdice at pobox.com Fri Apr 8 04:39:21 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Fri Apr 8 04:39:43 2005 Subject: [yapc] Welcome back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42566D69.1000408@pobox.com> > DA> To answer Uri's question about who is in charge of the list, > DA> technically it's Jeff Bizbee of YAS, but really since it's > DA> Mailman-administered, we should be able to manage our own > DA> subscription/unsubscription (see the headers and footer for hints). > DA> If you have mailing-list related questions, feel free to bother > DA> Michael Graham, , the Communications Czar, or > DA> myself, , an Official Flunky. Gerard Lim also has list admin privs. He's the other 1/2 of the communications czardom. I have Michael working on the "people who are already registered", and Gerard on the "communcations to the various public lists" end of things. > DA> Other questions might be directed at Richard Dice, the main YAPC > DA> organizer, but he's really busy so you should probably bother one of > DA> us first. :) > > i will bother anyone who i feel like bothering and richard is high on my > list! actually we have already been bothering each other on irc and > email but this is now public bothering. I try to keep myself accessible, and I think I've done a pretty good job of doing that so far, but there could (and probably will) be times when my attention will be best spent focussing on the highest-priority-issue-du-jour. At that point please trust in the various czars, flunkies and other lieutenants I've put together to help run the conference to help you as best as possible. Cheers, Richard From rdice at pobox.com Fri Apr 8 05:16:24 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Fri Apr 8 05:16:39 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> Niroomand, Kurban wrote: > Thanks! Now I know! > Kurban Kurban, You bring up a good point, albeit indirectly. That is, how is it that we have failed to effectively "reach" you (and no doubt thousands of others) before now? So far, our get-the-word-out strategy has involved emailing: * all *.pm.org mailing list (i.e. Perl Monger groups) across North America, many internationally * most *LUG (i.e. Linux user groups) across North America * all Perl mailing lists mentioned on the various *.perl.org and *.perl.com web sites If anyone has suggestions of more we can do, please let me know! I'd like to find more ways for Gerard to let the Perl world know what's going on here in Toronto in June. Cheers, Richard From uri at stemsystems.com Fri Apr 8 08:02:16 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:02:28 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> (Richard Dice's message of "Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:16:24 -0400") References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "RD" == Richard Dice writes: RD> You bring up a good point, albeit indirectly. That is, how is it that RD> we have failed to effectively "reach" you (and no doubt thousands of RD> others) before now? RD> So far, our get-the-word-out strategy has involved emailing: RD> * all *.pm.org mailing list (i.e. Perl Monger groups) across RD> North America, many internationally RD> * most *LUG (i.e. Linux user groups) across North America RD> * all Perl mailing lists mentioned on the various *.perl.org and RD> *.perl.com web sites usenet (comp.lang.perl.misc and announce (announce may not accept it)). other web sites (perlmonks, perlguru.com, etc.) repeated mailings to the pm groups and other lists. at least 1 a month and every two weeks the last month. it is amazing how many will not see the earlier posts. also remind the pm managers that pm and yapc are both run by tpf so they should obey orders from the powers that be and resend the emails to their groups. we can only send to the group leaders (and that list can be spotty) and ask them to resend to their groups. ask the perl review to email to their subscriber list. perl.com itself (owned by o'reilly but we know who the editors are and where they live!). maybe even conferences.oreilly.com. doubtful as that is for their conferences but can't hurt to ask. i can try my connections there (vee macmillan) but if anyone else has better connections for that site, they can try instead. many yapc attendees are college students. previous attendees who are still students could email/poster on their campuses. previous attendee list. not all ever signed up to the mailing list so get the attendee list(s) and email them. ask them to promote on their campuses if they can do it. maybe offer a small registration discount if they become the 'official' yapc marketing weasel on their campus. the key to this all is volume and breadth. repeated mailings are needed as people read or skip early ones and forget to register. later emails remind them of the deadlines, etc. prominently mention the hotel booking deadlines and emphasize that the block of rooms will be lost after that. use guilt tripping, humor, cajoling, comeraderie, low cost, massive fun. invoke the name of larry wall (is he attending?), damian conway (he wouldn't miss it), etc. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org Fri Apr 8 08:20:49 2005 From: rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:21:01 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> * Uri Guttman [2005-04-08T11:02:16] > repeated mailings to the pm groups and other lists. at least 1 a month > and every two weeks the last month. it is amazing how many will not see > the earlier posts. also remind the pm managers that pm and yapc are both > run by tpf so they should obey orders from the powers that be and resend > the emails to their groups. we can only send to the group leaders (and > that list can be spotty) and ask them to resend to their groups. I cannot think of a better way to piss off PM group leaders than to suggest that their groups are run by pm.org or by TPF, or to give them orders, or to suggest that there be any powers. Perl Mongers is a loose association of international Perl User Groups. -- http://www.pm.org/ -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20050408/11fd8021/attachment.bin From uri at stemsystems.com Fri Apr 8 08:37:39 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:37:51 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> (Ricardo SIGNES's message of "Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:20:49 -0400") References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "RS" == Ricardo SIGNES writes: RS> * Uri Guttman [2005-04-08T11:02:16] >> repeated mailings to the pm groups and other lists. at least 1 a month >> and every two weeks the last month. it is amazing how many will not see >> the earlier posts. also remind the pm managers that pm and yapc are both >> run by tpf so they should obey orders from the powers that be and resend >> the emails to their groups. we can only send to the group leaders (and >> that list can be spotty) and ask them to resend to their groups. RS> I cannot think of a better way to piss off PM group leaders than to RS> suggest that their groups are run by pm.org or by TPF, or to give them RS> orders, or to suggest that there be any powers. you didn't see the hidden :) there! :) RS> Perl Mongers is a loose association of international Perl User Groups. RS> -- http://www.pm.org/ actually the charter is owned by tpf too. i was just trying to make the association between pm and yapc more apparent. most don't know the two are related. you can even call yapc the pm's conference (which is not a bad idea for promotional reasons). http://www.perlfoundation.org/ it doesn't state it 'owns' pm but it does own the name in some way. IIRC the pm founders (bdf, dha) turned it over some time ago. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From rdice at pobox.com Fri Apr 8 08:55:40 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:56:01 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> Message-ID: <4256A97C.1030509@pobox.com> >>repeated mailings to the pm groups and other lists. at least 1 a month >>and every two weeks the last month. it is amazing how many will not see >>the earlier posts. also remind the pm managers that pm and yapc are both >>run by tpf so they should obey orders from the powers that be and resend >>the emails to their groups. we can only send to the group leaders (and >>that list can be spotty) and ask them to resend to their groups. > > > I cannot think of a better way to piss off PM group leaders than to > suggest that their groups are run by pm.org or by TPF, or to give them > orders, or to suggest that there be any powers. I like Uri's suggestion that we must communicate more frequently with the *.pm.org groups, but I'm not sufficiently self-deluded to think that I could give orders. We can email those lists directly, though. No need to wait on another level of indirection via the group leaders. (All that they would do is just forward the email to the various local *.pm.org mailing lists, anyhow.) I have appointed someone in Toronto.pm to be my mail-out guy and he is subscribed to all of the *.pm.org lists, so when I ask him to he just sends out to them. Cheers, Richard From kcivey at cpcug.org Fri Apr 8 09:04:58 2005 From: kcivey at cpcug.org (Keith Ivey) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:05:04 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <4256A97C.1030509@pobox.com> References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> <4256A97C.1030509@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Richard Dice wrote: > We can email those lists directly, though. No need to wait on another level > of indirection via the group leaders. True, but it is possible that people will pay more attention to a message from their PM group leader (likely someone they know) than one from a stranger. Still, it's certainly easier for you to send the messages directly. -- Keith C. Ivey Washington, DC From rdice at pobox.com Fri Apr 8 09:22:44 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:22:58 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> <4256A97C.1030509@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4256AFD4.6080900@pobox.com> > True, but it is possible that people will pay more attention to a > message from their PM group leader (likely someone they know) than one > from a stranger. Still, it's certainly easier for you to send the > messages directly. Good point. My approach is to email a personal note to the *.pm.org group leaders' list and ask them to "talk up" the notices that I'm sending out directly. Hopefully that will work as well on the lists where the group leader is active and paying attention, and we at least will still get the email out to the lists where this is not the case. Thanks for your feedback! Cheers, Richard From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Fri Apr 8 09:31:55 2005 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:32:09 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0a974d841dfb123f891f401a39d2e046@buffalo.edu> On Apr 8, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Richard Dice wrote: > If anyone has suggestions of more we can do, please let me know! I'd > like to find more ways for Gerard to let the Perl world know what's > going on here in Toronto in June. I know from last year the last thing I wanted to hear was, "YAPC is here in Buffalo? If I had only known..." And I did hear it. What this told me is that we need to think about connections outside the Perl world. All of the suggestions so far have been good -- except the telling people what to do stuff :) -- and those will reach the Perl faithful through the normal channels. But believe it or not, there are people who don't go to use.perl or perlmonks and who don't belong to a PM group. I know it's shocking, but it's true. Some other channels to try: * CS departments at local colleges (I know TO.pm talked about this, but try to catch them before finals); * Maybe science and bioinformatics type departments as well; * Other computer user groups like Linux groups or other language groups; * Channels available through sponsors. They are giving cash, so they often want people to attend to see that they are giving cash. I think SAMS included a plug in a newsletter last year and as Uri suggested perl.com might insert an announcement (actually, I think they already did). * slashdot. The don't always frontpage, but they'll put it up in the developer section. Wait on this one until closer to the conference. * orkut? Is anyone doing that any more? * Everyone on this list. Mention the conference to anyone you think might be interested, then mention it to the people you thing won't be interested :) You never know. Just a few ideas. We actually had several walk-up registrations last year from UB people who didn't know it was going on, but attended at the last minute. I only wish I had figured out a way to get the word out to them earlier. Jim ========================================== Jim Brandt Administrative Computing Services University at Buffalo From uri at stemsystems.com Fri Apr 8 09:40:23 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:40:41 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <0a974d841dfb123f891f401a39d2e046@buffalo.edu> (Jim Brandt's message of "Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:31:55 -0400") References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <0a974d841dfb123f891f401a39d2e046@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> "JB" == Jim Brandt writes: JB> On Apr 8, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Richard Dice wrote: >> If anyone has suggestions of more we can do, please let me know! >> I'd like to find more ways for Gerard to let the Perl world know >> what's going on here in Toronto in June. JB> I know from last year the last thing I wanted to hear was, "YAPC is JB> here in Buffalo? If I had only known..." And I did hear it. JB> What this told me is that we need to think about connections outside JB> the Perl world. All of the suggestions so far have been good -- except JB> the telling people what to do stuff :) -- and those will reach the JB> Perl faithful through the normal channels. JB> But believe it or not, there are people who don't go to use.perl or JB> perlmonks and who don't belong to a PM group. I know it's shocking, JB> but it's true. i like the idea of reaching out to local people outside the perl channels. one thought to add is to ask toronto.pm members to spread the word to their colleagues and fellow students. having yapc local to them is a big attraction due to no travel expenses and the already low fee. JB> Some other channels to try: JB> * orkut? Is anyone doing that any more? i am on it but rarely use it. i can spam^Wnotify the perl community there. maybe the linux or others (suggestions?) too? should i just repost one of richard's promotional emails? JB> Just a few ideas. We actually had several walk-up registrations JB> last year from UB people who didn't know it was going on, but JB> attended at the last minute. I only wish I had figured out a way JB> to get the word out to them earlier. i assume richard has ways to promote it on campus but i second the motion to focus more energy on that. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From rdice at pobox.com Fri Apr 8 09:47:56 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Fri Apr 8 09:48:13 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <0a974d841dfb123f891f401a39d2e046@buffalo.edu> References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <0a974d841dfb123f891f401a39d2e046@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <4256B5BC.1080107@pobox.com> Thanks... I'm trying to put your suggestions into practice now. Cheers, Richard > Just a few ideas. We actually had several walk-up registrations last > year from UB people who didn't know it was going on, but attended at the > last minute. I only wish I had figured out a way to get the word out to > them earlier. From mindmeld20 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 8 10:47:18 2005 From: mindmeld20 at yahoo.com (Gerard Lim) Date: Fri Apr 8 10:47:36 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050408174718.31179.qmail@web41528.mail.yahoo.com> --- Uri Guttman wrote: > > i am on it but rarely use it. i can spam^Wnotify the perl community > there. maybe the linux or others (suggestions?) too? should i just > repost one of richard's promotional emails? I'm not on it, but feel free to promote it there. I'll send you the latest announcement later once we are ready to release it (soon). Typically Richard sends me the announcements and I send it to everyone else. Thanks for helping out. > > JB> Just a few ideas. We actually had several walk-up registrations > JB> last year from UB people who didn't know it was going on, but > JB> attended at the last minute. I only wish I had figured out a way > JB> to get the word out to them earlier. > > i assume richard has ways to promote it on campus but i second the > motion to focus more energy on that. > > uri > > -- > Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- > http://www.stemsystems.com > --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and > Coding- > Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- > http://jobs.perl.org > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From uri at stemsystems.com Fri Apr 8 10:53:28 2005 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri Apr 8 10:53:43 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: <4256C340.7030204@pobox.com> (Richard Dice's message of "Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:45:36 -0400") References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <4256C340.7030204@pobox.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "RD" == Richard Dice writes: >> other web sites (perlmonks, perlguru.com, etc.) RD> Could you come up with a list of other web sites that would match the RD> etc. part? Both things you currently know and also things that you RD> could find out with a modicum of research. yes, sir! btw, how much is a modicum? uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From dha at panix.com Wed Apr 13 21:50:37 2005 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Wed Apr 13 21:50:48 2005 Subject: [yapc] report from the socialist czar In-Reply-To: References: <42567618.1030205@pobox.com> <20050408152049.GA225@manxome.org> Message-ID: <20050414045037.GA20460@panix.com> On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 11:37:39AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > > it doesn't state it 'owns' pm but it does own the name in some way. IIRC > the pm founders (bdf, dha) turned it over some time ago. Perl Mongers Inc. got absorbed by TPF. The individual groups never "belonged" to PM inc, which, although it existed to provide services to PM groups, was never a parent organization, per se. dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "We Americans stand on the shoulders of freaks." - Doctor Demento