From grant at mclean.net.nz  Tue Feb  7 00:43:37 2017
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:43:37 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
Message-ID: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>

Hi Mongers

We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...

Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?

Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
wrong :-)

The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
please reply on the list and we can talk about them.

Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
if meetings were every two months?

What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
like to see covered.

Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
why not?

Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
me.


Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).

Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.

Is anyone out there?  What do you think?

Cheers
Grant

From ajm1170 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 17:47:57 2017
From: ajm1170 at gmail.com (Andrew Maguire)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:47:57 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
Message-ID: <53BFDA0C-85F0-4DF7-A3C1-29AC6C5E2D7E@gmail.com>

Hi All,

I really enjoy the talks including, having arrived in NZ recently, even seeing old talks given again!

I haven't been able to attend some meetings due to a clash and propose moving the day to a Thursday if possible. 

I am happy to volunteer but can't think of any subjects to talk on.

As for types of talk, I don't mind, although I am curious to hear about Perl 6 too although unlikely to be using it myself!

Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7/02/2017, at 9:43 PM, Grant McLean <grant at mclean.net.nz> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mongers
> 
> We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> 
> Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
> 
> Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> wrong :-)
> 
> The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
> 
> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> if meetings were every two months?
> 
> What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> like to see covered.
> 
> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> why not?
> 
> Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> me.
> 
> 
> Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> 
> Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
> 
> Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
> 
> Cheers
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm

From reed at typist.geek.nz  Tue Feb  7 18:04:13 2017
From: reed at typist.geek.nz (Reed Wade)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 15:04:13 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <53BFDA0C-85F0-4DF7-A3C1-29AC6C5E2D7E@gmail.com>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
	<53BFDA0C-85F0-4DF7-A3C1-29AC6C5E2D7E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMjHDpQ9bkeJzF_Nw=4q9HEM-opFPOmf9QLcMPX-f6x66O0FXw@mail.gmail.com>

Would it be weird to try to combine with the python group (or something
along those lines)?

The python meet ups tend to range in scope quite a lot. If the perl folks
showed up there and gave perl talks I don't think anyone would spot the
difference immediately.

I haven't been to a Perl meeting in forever but my recollection was it was
a lot of interesting people talking about interesting things.

I wouldn't mind attending a more inclusive get together myself.

I find that in my daily work I'm using about 3 different languages from
moment to moment to get things done. It's nice to gather up and focus on a
slice of that but more variety is more sustainable.

Just a thought -- no specific idea beyond that.

-reed



On 8 February 2017 at 14:47, Andrew Maguire <ajm1170 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I really enjoy the talks including, having arrived in NZ recently, even
> seeing old talks given again!
>
> I haven't been able to attend some meetings due to a clash and propose
> moving the day to a Thursday if possible.
>
> I am happy to volunteer but can't think of any subjects to talk on.
>
> As for types of talk, I don't mind, although I am curious to hear about
> Perl 6 too although unlikely to be using it myself!
>
> Andrew
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 7/02/2017, at 9:43 PM, Grant McLean <grant at mclean.net.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mongers
> >
> > We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> >
> > Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
> >
> > Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> > struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> > huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> > the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> > wrong :-)
> >
> > The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> > have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> > please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
> >
> > Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> > The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> > if meetings were every two months?
> >
> > What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> > intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> > like to see covered.
> >
> > Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> > why not?
> >
> > Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> > attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> > me.
> >
> >
> > Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> > on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> > coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> >
> > Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> > you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> > talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
> >
> > Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Grant
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wellington-pm mailing list
> > Wellington-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
>
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From srdjan at catalyst.net.nz  Tue Feb  7 19:14:51 2017
From: srdjan at catalyst.net.nz (=?UTF-8?Q?Srdjan_Jankovi=c4=87?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:14:51 +1000
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <CAMjHDpQ9bkeJzF_Nw=4q9HEM-opFPOmf9QLcMPX-f6x66O0FXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
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Message-ID: <7d6d0fa6-7cde-fc07-db17-353c1a4da10c@catalyst.net.nz>



On 08/02/17 12:04, Reed Wade wrote:
> 
> Would it be weird to try to combine with the python group (or something
> along those lines)?

Less weird then talking about perl6.

> 
> The python meet ups tend to range in scope quite a lot. If the perl
> folks showed up there and gave perl talks I don't think anyone would
> spot the difference immediately.

Not immediately. Until the first curly brace.

S.

> 
> I haven't been to a Perl meeting in forever but my recollection was it
> was a lot of interesting people talking about interesting things.
> 
> I wouldn't mind attending a more inclusive get together myself.
> 
> I find that in my daily work I'm using about 3 different languages from
> moment to moment to get things done. It's nice to gather up and focus on
> a slice of that but more variety is more sustainable.
> 
> Just a thought -- no specific idea beyond that.
> 
> -reed
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 February 2017 at 14:47, Andrew Maguire <ajm1170 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ajm1170 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi All,
> 
>     I really enjoy the talks including, having arrived in NZ recently,
>     even seeing old talks given again!
> 
>     I haven't been able to attend some meetings due to a clash and
>     propose moving the day to a Thursday if possible.
> 
>     I am happy to volunteer but can't think of any subjects to talk on.
> 
>     As for types of talk, I don't mind, although I am curious to hear
>     about Perl 6 too although unlikely to be using it myself!
> 
>     Andrew
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>     > On 7/02/2017, at 9:43 PM, Grant McLean <grant at mclean.net.nz
>     <mailto:grant at mclean.net.nz>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Hi Mongers
>     >
>     > We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
>     >
>     > Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
>     >
>     > Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
>     > struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
>     > huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
>     > the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince
>     me I'm
>     > wrong :-)
>     >
>     > The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
>     > have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
>     > please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
>     >
>     > Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that
>     clash?
>     > The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to
>     attend
>     > if meetings were every two months?
>     >
>     > What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
>     > intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
>     > like to see covered.
>     >
>     > Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about? 
>     If not,
>     > why not?
>     >
>     > Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
>     > attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please
>     tell
>     > me.
>     >
>     >
>     > Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk
>     meeting
>     > on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday
>     (also, by
>     > coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
>     >
>     > Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one
>     week?  If
>     > you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5
>     minute
>     > talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
>     >
>     > Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
>     >
>     > Cheers
>     > Grant
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Wellington-pm mailing list
>     > Wellington-pm at pm.org <mailto:Wellington-pm at pm.org>
>     > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
>     <http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Wellington-pm mailing list
>     Wellington-pm at pm.org <mailto:Wellington-pm at pm.org>
>     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
>     <http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
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From dan.horne at redbone.co.nz  Wed Feb  8 09:35:51 2017
From: dan.horne at redbone.co.nz (Dan Horne)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 06:35:51 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
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	<53BFDA0C-85F0-4DF7-A3C1-29AC6C5E2D7E@gmail.com>
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Hi guys

I've been very remiss. I've always been meaning to attend, but never get
round to it. I really need to make the effort.

I'm really curious about Perl 6. I don't know whether it's been covered to
death or if it's still considered a bit niche

Dan

On 8 February 2017 at 16:14, Srdjan Jankovi? <srdjan at catalyst.net.nz> wrote:

>
>
> On 08/02/17 12:04, Reed Wade wrote:
> >
> > Would it be weird to try to combine with the python group (or something
> > along those lines)?
>
> Less weird then talking about perl6.
>
> >
> > The python meet ups tend to range in scope quite a lot. If the perl
> > folks showed up there and gave perl talks I don't think anyone would
> > spot the difference immediately.
>
> Not immediately. Until the first curly brace.
>
> S.
>
> >
> > I haven't been to a Perl meeting in forever but my recollection was it
> > was a lot of interesting people talking about interesting things.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind attending a more inclusive get together myself.
> >
> > I find that in my daily work I'm using about 3 different languages from
> > moment to moment to get things done. It's nice to gather up and focus on
> > a slice of that but more variety is more sustainable.
> >
> > Just a thought -- no specific idea beyond that.
> >
> > -reed
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 February 2017 at 14:47, Andrew Maguire <ajm1170 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:ajm1170 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi All,
> >
> >     I really enjoy the talks including, having arrived in NZ recently,
> >     even seeing old talks given again!
> >
> >     I haven't been able to attend some meetings due to a clash and
> >     propose moving the day to a Thursday if possible.
> >
> >     I am happy to volunteer but can't think of any subjects to talk on.
> >
> >     As for types of talk, I don't mind, although I am curious to hear
> >     about Perl 6 too although unlikely to be using it myself!
> >
> >     Andrew
> >
> >     Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >     > On 7/02/2017, at 9:43 PM, Grant McLean <grant at mclean.net.nz
> >     <mailto:grant at mclean.net.nz>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Hi Mongers
> >     >
> >     > We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> >     >
> >     > Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
> >     >
> >     > Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> >     > struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk -
> so
> >     > huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning
> towards
> >     > the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince
> >     me I'm
> >     > wrong :-)
> >     >
> >     > The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If
> you
> >     > have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance
> then
> >     > please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
> >     >
> >     > Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that
> >     clash?
> >     > The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to
> >     attend
> >     > if meetings were every two months?
> >     >
> >     > What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> >     > intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics
> you'd
> >     > like to see covered.
> >     >
> >     > Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?
> >     If not,
> >     > why not?
> >     >
> >     > Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> >     > attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please
> >     tell
> >     > me.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk
> >     meeting
> >     > on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday
> >     (also, by
> >     > coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that
> matter?).
> >     >
> >     > Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one
> >     week?  If
> >     > you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5
> >     minute
> >     > talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say
> so.
> >     >
> >     > Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
> >     >
> >     > Cheers
> >     > Grant
> >     > _______________________________________________
> >     > Wellington-pm mailing list
> >     > Wellington-pm at pm.org <mailto:Wellington-pm at pm.org>
> >     > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
> >     <http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm>
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Wellington-pm mailing list
> >     Wellington-pm at pm.org <mailto:Wellington-pm at pm.org>
> >     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
> >     <http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wellington-pm mailing list
> > Wellington-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
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From lenz at gschwendtner.eu  Wed Feb  8 14:10:58 2017
From: lenz at gschwendtner.eu (Lenz Gschwendtner)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 23:10:58 +0100
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
Message-ID: <20170208221058.3dazrfwtpgv3u56b@truejoy.norbu09.org>

first off thanks Grant for the many years of work you have put into this
group, really appreciate it, I know how much work it is to get meetups
off the ground and then to keep them alive but you certainly have set a
gold standard here, thanks for that.

I have moved to Nelson and my days in welli normally don't coincide with
the meetups, also, not doing much perl these days, might be a theme for
quite a few of us, either moved location, moved to other languages or
both.

The group is still pretty large and there are really good devs in here,
maybe a possible angle would be to have the focus on "Perl and other
cryptic things" which would open up the meetup to talk about elixir,
rust, lfe and mix it up with a cool perl talk every now and then.

Unfortunately I can't make the next meeting but may be able to plan my
next Welli days to give a short presentation about the strange stuff I
do nowadays (elixir and reactjs mainly)

cheers
Lenz

On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 09:43:37PM +1300, Grant McLean wrote:
> Hi Mongers
> 
> We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> 
> Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
> 
> Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> wrong :-)
> 
> The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
> 
> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> if meetings were every two months?
> 
> What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> like to see covered.
> 
> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> why not?
> 
> Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> me.
> 
> 
> Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> 
> Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
> 
> Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
> 
> Cheers
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm

-- 
Lenz Gschwendtner
geek, mentor, punk
co-founder iwantmyname and others
http://lnz.me/about/

From douglas at halo.gen.nz  Fri Feb 10 01:46:39 2017
From: douglas at halo.gen.nz (Douglas Bagnall)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:46:39 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <20170208221058.3dazrfwtpgv3u56b@truejoy.norbu09.org>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
	<20170208221058.3dazrfwtpgv3u56b@truejoy.norbu09.org>
Message-ID: <c5f0ffd3-ab3e-dc6b-31d1-229c376121a6@halo.gen.nz>

Lenz is completely right:

> [...] you certainly have set a gold standard here, thanks for that.

Wellington Perl Mongers meetings are the best run and most peculiarly
interesting programming language meetings I have come across.

For many years I spent more time attending Wellington PM meetings than 
actually writing perl. But now I that occasionally do deal with the
language my time is too squeezed to get to many meetings.

Grant wrote:
>> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
>> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
>> if meetings were every two months?

There seems to be a trend around town for technical talks at lunchtime, which
presumably makes it easier for people to attend.  I can't see how they have 
time to drink all the beer.

>> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
>> why not?

I could talk at some point about how Samba uses PIDL in Perl to generate
Python bindings in C, and how having three different languages for this is
actually a really good thing that minimises confusion.

Douglas

From richard at walnut.gen.nz  Fri Feb 10 19:53:53 2017
From: richard at walnut.gen.nz (Richard Hector)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:53:53 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
Message-ID: <96e62517-caea-ce20-b7c4-8156970346c6@walnut.gen.nz>

On 07/02/17 21:43, Grant McLean wrote:
> Hi Mongers
> 
> We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> 
> Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?

I enjoy them when I can get to them :-)

> Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> wrong :-)

I do feel a bit guilty that I've only done one (IIRC). Unfortunately my
day job suffers from both fairly boring code and some restrictions on
how much I can talk about it .. and my hobby coding ends up with huge
gaps between efforts, so I mostly end up trying to figure out what I did
last time. I definitely appreciate others' talks, though many are a
little beyond me.

> The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> please reply on the list and we can talk about them.

I note that other meetings involve pizza ... I usually try to cram in
food before I come, because it's a little late for me by the end.
Perhaps we could do something like a curry pre-order, the way I've seen
it done in a certain workplace at lunchtime in the past?

> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> if meetings were every two months?

I've rearranged one monthly meeting that I organise to not clash :-) I'm
also trying to get out of running that one altogether ... But Tuesdays
do seem to be popular for meetings. (I rescheduled to Mondays, so doing
the same with PM would be a pain ...)

Meetings every 2 months could only reduce the number I can get to. What
effect it would have on the number I _do_ get to is less clear.

> What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> like to see covered.

I guess I'm keen on not particularly 'beginner', but common.
Unfortunately that probably means 'the stuff that most people already
know about' - web development principles, efficiency of database access etc.

> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> why not?

Um ... maybe? Experiments in session handling?

> Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> me.

Not that I can think of. But do we need a pool of organisers, rather
than just you? A ... committee? Is it easy enough for a non-Catalyst
person to arrange meetings? I guess a list of 'keyholders' (ie
Catalyst-employed regular participants) would be easy enough to arrange.

I occasionally have a theory that people are more committed to an
organisation if it's more formal and they pay a sub. But obviously there
are many who like the informal nature, and a sub would end up needing to
be spent on something ...

> Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> 
> Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.

I will try to be there if I can, but can't think of anything to talk
about :-(

Richard

From florent.mara at nzregen.co.nz  Sat Feb 11 18:39:50 2017
From: florent.mara at nzregen.co.nz (Florent Mara)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 15:39:50 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
In-Reply-To: <96e62517-caea-ce20-b7c4-8156970346c6@walnut.gen.nz>
References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
	<96e62517-caea-ce20-b7c4-8156970346c6@walnut.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <CAEoGj=hudQ0yF2Du+ik4GKYOvhFAw-orFyDKKwJLA9RSbS9uQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mongers and Grant,

First, many thanks to Grant for organizing Perl Mongers Wellington for so
many years and for making many of us feel so welcomed.

As a regular attendee in the past few years, I too noticed the reduced
attendance - often padded by Grant himself, thank you for the great talks
on the fly - but definitely think it is worth continuing.

As an attendee, the format works for me but I understand it might not be
the case for everyone. At least, I make it work.
As a speaker, preparing for ~1 hour talk is a little bit daunting. Maybe a
shorter talk time with a pre-arranged discussion/question/entract would
attract more speakers.

I have heard and seen several non-perl talks so I don't think having
non-perl talks is really a question. From my experience, the meeting always
appeared welcoming to technology talks in general.

I would love Perl 5 / Perl 6 filled evening, there is still plenty to
present with either technologies. There has been little about Perl 6 at the
Wellington Perl Mongers and I am sure many people have a pile of
interesting knowledge on Perl 5, if only they were keen to share. By far, I
would favor an evening combining like minded user groups with one of them
being Perl related than no more Perl mongers. Maybe a combined evening of
with python and / or Wellylug  could be popular. Pretty sure there is a
cross in attendees. Maybe 3x30 minutes talks with 10 minutes between each
could work. Maybe some 'ops' talks as well, 'devops' being the new rage.
Lunchtime talks would be a real challenge for me since the earthquake
relocated my work out of town but still worth considering if it increases
audience. Beginners / intermediate / experts talks are all welcomed for me,
there is always more to learn.

I can be ready for lightning talk on Tuesday, no problem. I might actually
have 2 lightning talks ready if it is pushed to March. ;-)
For the year, I am planning to talk about testing in Perl. I write a lot of
[ too many ]  tests in Perl and even enjoy it so I might be doing a few
things right in that space. Hopefully, I would do a talk later in the year
on my next steps with Perl 6 but I am having a surprising amount of success
with Mojolicious lately so might choose to trumpet that success instead,
who knows.

I am also happy to help and support Grant in organizing Wellington Perl
Mongers. I am not 100% sure what it means but ready to give it a go.

Hope this helps.
Cheers, Florent

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Richard Hector <richard at walnut.gen.nz>
wrote:

> On 07/02/17 21:43, Grant McLean wrote:
> > Hi Mongers
> >
> > We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> >
> > Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
>
> I enjoy them when I can get to them :-)
>
> > Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> > struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> > huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> > the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> > wrong :-)
>
> I do feel a bit guilty that I've only done one (IIRC). Unfortunately my
> day job suffers from both fairly boring code and some restrictions on
> how much I can talk about it .. and my hobby coding ends up with huge
> gaps between efforts, so I mostly end up trying to figure out what I did
> last time. I definitely appreciate others' talks, though many are a
> little beyond me.
>
> > The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> > have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> > please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
>
> I note that other meetings involve pizza ... I usually try to cram in
> food before I come, because it's a little late for me by the end.
> Perhaps we could do something like a curry pre-order, the way I've seen
> it done in a certain workplace at lunchtime in the past?
>
> > Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> > The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> > if meetings were every two months?
>
> I've rearranged one monthly meeting that I organise to not clash :-) I'm
> also trying to get out of running that one altogether ... But Tuesdays
> do seem to be popular for meetings. (I rescheduled to Mondays, so doing
> the same with PM would be a pain ...)
>
> Meetings every 2 months could only reduce the number I can get to. What
> effect it would have on the number I _do_ get to is less clear.
>
> > What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> > intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> > like to see covered.
>
> I guess I'm keen on not particularly 'beginner', but common.
> Unfortunately that probably means 'the stuff that most people already
> know about' - web development principles, efficiency of database access
> etc.
>
> > Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> > why not?
>
> Um ... maybe? Experiments in session handling?
>
> > Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> > attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> > me.
>
> Not that I can think of. But do we need a pool of organisers, rather
> than just you? A ... committee? Is it easy enough for a non-Catalyst
> person to arrange meetings? I guess a list of 'keyholders' (ie
> Catalyst-employed regular participants) would be easy enough to arrange.
>
> I occasionally have a theory that people are more committed to an
> organisation if it's more formal and they pay a sub. But obviously there
> are many who like the informal nature, and a sub would end up needing to
> be spent on something ...
>
> > Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> > on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> > coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> >
> > Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> > you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> > talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
>
> I will try to be there if I can, but can't think of anything to talk
> about :-(
>
> Richard
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From srdjan at catalyst.net.nz  Sun Feb 12 16:00:12 2017
From: srdjan at catalyst.net.nz (=?UTF-8?Q?Srdjan_Jankovi=c4=87?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:00:12 +1000
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
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References: <1486457017.4956.27.camel@kereru>
Message-ID: <1eda1dae-d9ad-84d9-c4b7-60eec71861a8@catalyst.net.nz>

I read slides (if any) if that matters...

S.

On 07/02/17 18:43, Grant McLean wrote:
> Hi Mongers
> 
> We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
> 
> Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
> 
> Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> wrong :-)
> 
> The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
> 
> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> if meetings were every two months?
> 
> What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> like to see covered.
> 
> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> why not?
> 
> Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> me.
> 
> 
> Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> 
> Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
> 
> Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
> 
> Cheers
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
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From Steve.Piner at signify.co.nz  Wed Feb  8 14:44:13 2017
From: Steve.Piner at signify.co.nz (Steve Piner)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 11:44:13 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
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Yes, I'd like to continue with the monthly technical meetings.

I can generally make it, but when I can't, it's usually because 
something has arisen at the last minute - so, to me, changing the day 
probably would not change my attendance level.

I will volunteer to do another Perl 6 talk.

I don't think it's anything you're doing or not doing that would be 
putting people off. I'm decidedly unsocial, and have always found the 
group, and especially you, to be quite welcoming.

Lightning talks: yes please!

Steve


On 07/02/17 21:43, Grant McLean wrote:
> Hi Mongers
>
> We need to talk about the future of Wellington Perl Mongers ...
>
> Do people want to continue to have monthly technical meetings?
>
> Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> wrong :-)
>
> The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
>
> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> if meetings were every two months?
>
> What type of talks would get you coming back?  More beginner /
> intermediate talks or more advanced topics?  Any specific topics you'd
> like to see covered.
>
> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> why not?
>
> Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> me.
>
>
> Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
>
> Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
>
> Is anyone out there?  What do you think?
>
> Cheers
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
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> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm

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From olly at survex.com  Sun Feb 12 19:14:08 2017
From: olly at survex.com (Olly Betts)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 03:14:08 +0000
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
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On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 09:43:37PM +1300, Grant McLean wrote:
> Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> wrong :-)

I suspect there's something of a feedback loop between lack of speakers and
lack of attendees.  Not only is there a smaller pool of potential speakers,
but giving a talk to just 2 or 3 people feels less rewarding as a speaker.

I probably turned up less often last year than the couple of years before -
in my case it's partly just being busier, partly unfortunate timing of
meetings vs me being away, but also I don't work in town and I'm more
likely to trek in specially if there's a talk that's about stuff I'm
particularly interested in, more so if there are multiple talks.

> The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> please reply on the list and we can talk about them.

Some thoughts on suggestions elsewhere in the thread:

* Widening the scope to beyond Perl was suggested, but the current scope
  isn't really just Perl - few of my talks have been very connected to
  Perl, and we've had a number of other non-Perl talks.  But perhaps that
  needs more explicitly publicising.

* Shorter talks - again, there's not a required minimum length is there?
  But maybe that should be made clearer to encourage potential speakers.

* Lunchtime meetings probably wouldn't work for me personally - I've gone
  to a few of the lunchtime "summer of tech" talks, and it means a big hole
  in my day while I travel in and out again.

> Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> if meetings were every two months?

Probably slightly more likely, though a reminder email that it's this month
would be more important if it's not (almost) every month.

> Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> why not?

I'd imagine so, though not sure about topic.  Main issue is finding time
to prepare.

> Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> me.

I think you're doing an awesome job.

> Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> 
> Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.

I'm just back from holiday, so might struggle to come up with a coherent
5 minutes by tomorrow evening, but happy to try.  Not sure I can make
the March meeting.

Cheers,
    Olly

From jason at dickson.st  Sun Feb 12 19:39:26 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 14:39:26 +1100
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Let's have a Perl conference in Oceania! Call for
 committee members
Message-ID: <9e28e900-59d2-43d5-eac3-7f332d0c8d64@dickson.st>

Dear PM members,

Some of us at the Sydney PM group and the #australia IRC channel have
been discussing holding an perl conference in Sydney in 2017.

If this is something you are interested in attending or organising,
please get in touch.

You can find us on #australia on irc.perl.org or Join our conference
organising mailing list:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sydney-perl-conf-2017

First thing we need to do is form an organising committee. Let me know
if you are interested to be a part of that?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Jason
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From grant at mclean.net.nz  Sun Feb 12 23:08:25 2017
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:08:25 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Lightning talks deferred till March
Message-ID: <1486969705.5188.6.camel@kereru>

Hi Mongers

There have been a couple of lightning talk offers but not really enough,
so I've decided to defer the meeting until next month.

Further updates and reminders will follow.  I'm sure with a bit of
effort we can get half a dozen talks lined up.

Cheers
Grant

From dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz  Sun Feb 19 13:23:10 2017
From: dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz (Dave McGruddy)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 10:23:10 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Contact role
Message-ID: <CAAahZugSENuYL+tUdosv3wGEnrsaWPrLOPF1Nbh+xNcP_0v0mA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have an intial 8 week contreact for a Perl Developer, if you are looking,
please may contact, and I can provide more details


Cheers


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From andychilton at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 14:24:57 2017
From: andychilton at gmail.com (Andrew Chilton)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:24:57 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Contact role
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Hi Dave,

Is that ... is that ... Comic Sans in the signature?

I just typed a couple more snarky lines commenting on both this email
and the job description on the site, but decided I shouldn't. All I
can suggest is to re-read emails before sending and take a look over
the job description too. Typos and incorrect grammar put people off,
especially those with "very good attention to detail" which are the
type of people you're looking for (as quoted from
http://www.rockitrecruitment.co.nz/?ja-job=2618750).

Cheers,
Andy

On 20 February 2017 at 10:23, Dave McGruddy
<dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have an intial 8 week contreact for a Perl Developer, if you are looking,
> please may contact, and I can provide more details
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave McGruddy
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> Rockit Recruitment Ltd
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> +6427 242 1162
> www.rockitrecruitment.co.nz
>
>
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From dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz  Sun Feb 19 14:27:41 2017
From: dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz (Dave McGruddy)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:27:41 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Contact role
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Thanks Andy... my bad...!  Just under the pump, and didn't review...



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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Andrew Chilton <andychilton at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Is that ... is that ... Comic Sans in the signature?
>
> I just typed a couple more snarky lines commenting on both this email
> and the job description on the site, but decided I shouldn't. All I
> can suggest is to re-read emails before sending and take a look over
> the job description too. Typos and incorrect grammar put people off,
> especially those with "very good attention to detail" which are the
> type of people you're looking for (as quoted from
> http://www.rockitrecruitment.co.nz/?ja-job=2618750).
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
> On 20 February 2017 at 10:23, Dave McGruddy
> <dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have an intial 8 week contreact for a Perl Developer, if you are
> looking,
> > please may contact, and I can provide more details
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Dave McGruddy
> > Mission Controller
> > Rockit Recruitment Ltd
> > Level 5 24 Johnston St
> > +6427 242 1162
> > www.rockitrecruitment.co.nz
> >
> >
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From dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz  Sun Feb 19 14:33:13 2017
From: dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz (Dave McGruddy)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:33:13 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Contact role
In-Reply-To: <CAAahZugSENuYL+tUdosv3wGEnrsaWPrLOPF1Nbh+xNcP_0v0mA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all again,

Thanks Andy Chilton for pointing out my grammar errors, my bad... the joys
of multi tasking!!

Please see below my corrected request!@

Hi All,

I have an initial 8 week contract for a Perl Developer, if you are looking,
please make contact, and I can provide more details...


Cheers


Dave McGruddy
Mission Controller
Rockit Recruitment Ltd
Level 5 24 Johnston St
+6427 242 1162 <+64%2027%20242%201162>
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Dave McGruddy <
dave at rockitrecruitment.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have an intial 8 week contreact for a Perl Developer, if you are
> looking, please may contact, and I can provide more details
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave McGruddy
> Mission Controller
> Rockit Recruitment Ltd
> Level 5 24 Johnston St
> +6427 242 1162 <+64%2027%20242%201162>
> *www.rockitrecruitment.co.nz <http://www.rockitrecruitment.co.nz/> *
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From grant at mclean.net.nz  Mon Feb 20 14:50:20 2017
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:50:20 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Perl Training Next Week
Message-ID: <1487631020.20331.14.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>

Hi All

I'm running a "Perl Basics" course at Catalyst next Wednesday.
Obviously most of the people on this list will be more than capable with
basics and beyond, but perhaps you have friends or colleagues who might
benefit from a structured introduction.  If so, point them here for more
info:

  https://www.catalyst.net.nz/training/course/perl-basics-wellington

The next course won't be for some time after that.

Cheers
Grant

From florent.mara at nzregen.co.nz  Fri Feb 24 11:39:13 2017
From: florent.mara at nzregen.co.nz (Florent Mara)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 08:39:13 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington Perl Mongers 2017
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Hi Mongers,
I can't retrieve the email about doing lightning talks in March but it
works for me.
I will have one or maybe 2 talks as I want to give an update on my
packaging (Ansible vs Perl) progress.

If I read my calendar right, the next meeting is on March 14th, right?

Cheers, Florent

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Olly Betts <olly at survex.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 09:43:37PM +1300, Grant McLean wrote:
> > Throughout 2016, attendance levels were low and I really found it a
> > struggle from month to month to find people willing to do a talk - so
> > huge thanks to everyone who did speak last year!  I'm leaning towards
> > the conclusion that it's not worth bothering any more - convince me I'm
> > wrong :-)
>
> I suspect there's something of a feedback loop between lack of speakers and
> lack of attendees.  Not only is there a smaller pool of potential speakers,
> but giving a talk to just 2 or 3 people feels less rewarding as a speaker.
>
> I probably turned up less often last year than the couple of years before -
> in my case it's partly just being busier, partly unfortunate timing of
> meetings vs me being away, but also I don't work in town and I'm more
> likely to trek in specially if there's a talk that's about stuff I'm
> particularly interested in, more so if there are multiple talks.
>
> > The format we have been following is by no means set in stone.  If you
> > have ideas for how to make it better and how to boost attendance then
> > please reply on the list and we can talk about them.
>
> Some thoughts on suggestions elsewhere in the thread:
>
> * Widening the scope to beyond Perl was suggested, but the current scope
>   isn't really just Perl - few of my talks have been very connected to
>   Perl, and we've had a number of other non-Perl talks.  But perhaps that
>   needs more explicitly publicising.
>
> * Shorter talks - again, there's not a required minimum length is there?
>   But maybe that should be made clearer to encourage potential speakers.
>
> * Lunchtime meetings probably wouldn't work for me personally - I've gone
>   to a few of the lunchtime "summer of tech" talks, and it means a big hole
>   in my day while I travel in and out again.
>
> > Are any of you keen to come along but have other commitments that clash?
> > The schedule can be changed.  Would you be more or less likely to attend
> > if meetings were every two months?
>
> Probably slightly more likely, though a reminder email that it's this month
> would be more important if it's not (almost) every month.
>
> > Will you be volunteering to talk this year?  If so, what about?  If not,
> > why not?
>
> I'd imagine so, though not sure about topic.  Main issue is finding time
> to prepare.
>
> > Is there something that I'm doing (or not doing) that puts you off
> > attending?  If there is, I need to know so I can fix that - please tell
> > me.
>
> I think you're doing an awesome job.
>
> > Traditionally, the first meeting of the year is a lightning talk meeting
> > on the second Tuesday of February - that would be next Tuesday (also, by
> > coincidence this year that's also Valentines day, does that matter?).
> >
> > Can we actually pull together a lightning talk meeting in one week?  If
> > you think we can and want to take part, then email me to book a 5 minute
> > talk slot.  If you think delaying until March would help then say so.
>
> I'm just back from holiday, so might struggle to come up with a coherent
> 5 minutes by tomorrow evening, but happy to try.  Not sure I can make
> the March meeting.
>
> Cheers,
>     Olly
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From grant at mclean.net.nz  Sun Feb 26 23:11:53 2017
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:11:53 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Lightning Talks Meeting on March 14th
Message-ID: <1488179513.16204.7.camel@kereru>

On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 08:39 +1300, Florent Mara wrote:
> I can't retrieve the email about doing lightning talks in March but it
> works for me. I will have one or maybe 2 talks as I want to give an
> update on my packaging (Ansible vs Perl) progress.
> 
> If I read my calendar right, the next meeting is on March 14th, right?
> 
> Cheers, Florent

Thanks for the nudge Florent :-)

Yes, the Lightning Talks meeting will be on March 14th - two weeks away.
I've updated the web site, so there are more details there:

  http://wellington.pm.org/

So far we have:

 * Florent one maybe two talks
 * Grant one maybe two talks
 * Steve Piner did volunteer a lightning talk but I'm not sure if he's
   available for March
 * Martyn put his name down for one talk and has at least 13.9 days left
   to decide what it will be about
 
So, I think we've met the minimum bar to go ahead, lets see if we can
get a few more volunteers and pack out the room :-)

Let's get prepping.

Cheers
Grant