From grantm at web.co.nz Thu Mar 2 14:56:19 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:05 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers Meeting Next Wednesday Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92C2@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Fellow Mongers: I meant to get this reminder out a little earlier but here goes: Meeting: Wellington Perl Mongers Start Time: 5:30pm Wednesday 8th March Location: The Web Limited Level 8, 86 Lambton Quay The 'agenda' this time: - Stephen Judd will talk on 'Beyond CGI' (touching on technologies like mod_perl, embperl ...) - I'll talk about 'Packaging a Module for CPAN' based on my XML::Simple experiences - Group Therapy session - I was going to label this 'Ask the Doctor' but was unsure who to appoint as Doctor :-) **** What you need to do **** To help the Group Therapy session along, I'd like everyone to come prepared: 1. Think of something related to Perl that you a) always wanted to know or b) think everyone else needs to know 2. Summarise the essence of your question/tip in less than 5 words 3. Write those words on the back of a business card (or something else with your name on it) 4. Bring the card with you on Wednesday and drop it in the 'hat' on the way in. Here's an example: You think everyone needs to know about what happens when you set the special Perl variable $/ to the empty string. So you write 'paragraph slurping' on a card and drop it in the hat. At the Mongers meeting, we will draw out as many cards as we have time for. If your card is drawn, you should be prepared to stand up and talk about the subject for 5 minutes. Of course if it was a question, you just need to be prepared to clearly state the question and the group will take over from there. Spread the word, bring a friend, let people know about the group and the mailing list: If you know someone who wants to subscribe to this list, tell them to send mail to majordomo@pm.org with the following command in the body of the message: subscribe wellington-pm-list If (heaven forbid) you want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe wellington-pm-list See you there Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From grantm at web.co.nz Tue Mar 7 13:43:33 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:05 2004 Subject: Reminder: Perl Mongers Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92CE@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Meeting: Wellington Perl Mongers Start Time: 5:30pm Wednesday 8th March Location: The Web Limited Level 8, 86 Lambton Quay **** What you need to do **** To help the Group Therapy session along, I'd like everyone to come prepared: 1. Think of something related to Perl that you a) always wanted to know or b) think everyone else needs to know 2. Summarise the essence of your question/tip in less than 5 words 3. Write those words on the back of a business card (or something else with your name on it) 4. Bring the card with you on Wednesday and drop it in the 'hat' on the way in. See you there Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From grantm at web.co.nz Wed Mar 8 14:24:24 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:05 2004 Subject: Mark your diary: Wed 3-May-2000 Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92D1@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Thanks to all who attended and made last night an enjoyable and informative gathering. The next meeting of Wellington Perl Mongers will be on Wednesday the 3rd of May. Location and speakers to be confirmed closer to the date. If anyone would like to present, speak up and we'll book you a spot. I thought the 'Group Therapy' session worked pretty well and would vote for it to be a regular part of the meetings. What do other people think? Thanks again Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From ewen at naos.co.nz Wed Mar 8 13:59:52 2000 From: ewen at naos.co.nz (Ewen McNeill) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:05 2004 Subject: Mark your diary: Wed 3-May-2000 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:24:24 +1300." <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92D1@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Message-ID: <200003082059.JAA09190@pagoda.wgtn.naos.co.nz> In message <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92D1@scarab.lq.web.co.nz>, Grant McLean writes: >The next meeting of Wellington Perl Mongers will be on Wednesday >the 3rd of May. Location and speakers to be confirmed closer to >the date. If anyone would like to present, speak up and we'll >book you a spot. My offer to talk on one or other of the topics I mentioned earlier (state machines/code generation, or parsing SGML/XML) still stands, but I wouldn't want anyone else to feel they couldn't talk because I was going to :-) >I thought the 'Group Therapy' session worked pretty well and would >vote for it to be a regular part of the meetings. What do other >people think? I think it's useful for people to be able to ask questions and get an answer from the group; and useful for people to be able to comment on things that they've found useful that they think other people should know. But I wouldn't want to see it being compulsory for everyone to have a question or a tip every month (because I for one would rapidly run out of interesting tips). So perhaps something like that on a less formal basis? Perhaps even with a "hat" to drop questions/tip-snippets into, but without the spanish inquisition ("Have you put your...?"). Ewen From grantm at web.co.nz Wed Mar 8 18:39:14 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:05 2004 Subject: Mark your diary: Wed 3-May-2000 Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92D4@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Ewen McNeill writes > > I think it's useful for people to be able to ask questions and > get an answer from the group; and useful for people to be able > to comment on things that they've found useful that they think > other people should know. But I wouldn't want to see it being > compulsory for everyone to have a question or a tip every month > (because I for one would rapidly run out of interesting tips). I'd have thought that even intermittent use of Perl should turn up a minimum of one 'interesting' in a two month period. The intention was that if everyone thinks of one five minute topic then we've got a least half an hour of wide ranging subject matter. > So perhaps something like that on a less formal basis? Perhaps > even with a "hat" to drop questions/tip-snippets into, but without > the spanish inquisition ("Have you put your...?"). If we do it again, I'll back off on the bully boy tactics. I just think that it's the sort of thing that only works if people have had a bit of a think about it before hand. The last thing we want is everyone sitting round staring at their shoes :-) Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From ewen at naos.co.nz Wed Mar 8 20:37:04 2000 From: ewen at naos.co.nz (Ewen McNeill) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:05 2004 Subject: Mark your diary: Wed 3-May-2000 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:39:14 +1300." <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92D4@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Message-ID: <200003090337.QAA11544@pagoda.wgtn.naos.co.nz> In message <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B361E92D4@scarab.lq.web.co.nz>, Grant McLean writes: >I'd have thought that even intermittent use of Perl should turn up >a minimum of one 'interesting' in a two month period. I use perl almost every day, the majority of which (except when I'm doing web-based perl development as now) is quick one liners on the command line to fix some particular problem. I don't generally discover anything "interesting" in doing these sorts of things (by which I mostly mean "something that's new to me") largely because it's often relatively repetitive. >> even with a "hat" to drop questions/tip-snippets into, but without >> the spanish inquisition ("Have you put your...?"). > >If we do it again, I'll back off on the bully boy tactics. I just >think that it's the sort of thing that only works if people have >had a bit of a think about it before hand. The last thing we >want is everyone sitting round staring at their shoes :-) Indeed. For that reason I think the "hat" is a good approach, and general comments to the effect that it's pretty empty might be appropriate, but insisting that each individual person come up with something _every_time_ I think would be overboard. Perhaps there's a happy medium we can all agree on? While I'm writing, I want to say thank you to you Grant for taking the time to get the meeting organised as well as it was last night, particularly as things had been sliding a little since last year. Ewen