From grantm at web.co.nz Sun Jun 11 20:59:36 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:06 2004 Subject: Wellington Perl Mongers Meeting in 3 Weeks Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B36247479@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Hi Mongers That time is rapidly approaching once more ... Meeting: Wellington Perl Mongers Start Time: Wednesday 5 July 2000, 5:30 PM Location: The Web Limited Level 8, 86 Lambton Quay Nobody has currently committed to a presentation. One topic which was suggested last time was 'Programming for Portability'. Anyone like to volunteer to pick this up and run with it? (I could help if someone wanted to take the lead). I would like to volunteer to talk on using DBI (the Perl Database Interface). If there are DBI topics you'd like to see covered, let me know. Any other offers? If you know of someone who's may be interested in attending but is not on the mailing list, forward them this message and they can find list subscription details at: http://wellington.pm.org/ Finally, I'd like to leave you with this quote from Larry Rosler (another Perl Hacker), bemoaning what he refers to as 'evaporating expectations of software quality' in an interview on www.perl.com ( http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/06/rosler.html ): 1980's paradigm: If it's worth implementing once, it's worth implementing twice. 1990's paradigm: Ship the prototype! 2000's paradigm: Ship the idea! Happy monging Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From jules.anderson at zivo.co.nz Sun Jun 11 21:59:14 2000 From: jules.anderson at zivo.co.nz (Jules Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:06 2004 Subject: Wellington Perl Mongers Meeting in 3 Weeks Message-ID: <0FDDB7CD3976D311BCFC00E018C1B10C228BA9@wlgserve01.local.net.nz> > Finally, I'd like to leave you with this quote from Larry Rosler > (another Perl Hacker), bemoaning what he refers to as 'evaporating > expectations of software quality' in an interview on www.perl.com > ( http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/06/rosler.html ): > > 1980's paradigm: If it's worth implementing once, > it's worth implementing twice. > 1990's paradigm: Ship the prototype! > 2000's paradigm: Ship the idea! Actually, from that article I was more interested in some of his comments about OO development and Perl (negative, for those who haven't read it). I've had some sucess using the UML and Perl in a very strongly OO style, and while I didn't do any serious performance testing I felt it behaved very well. Perhaps more importantly, however, I ended up writing some of the tightest, nicest Perl I've ever written, while retaining a design that could (and was) easily extended. It was a bit of an experiment and I was astonished how well it paid off. I'd be interested in others comments about Perl and OO, espcially in light of Rosler's comments about complexity and performance. Jules From grantm at web.co.nz Sun Jun 11 22:00:33 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:06 2004 Subject: Wellington Perl Mongers Meeting in 3 Weeks Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B3624747A@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> From: Jules Anderson [mailto:jules.anderson@zivo.co.nz] > Actually, from that article I was more interested in some of his > comments about OO development and Perl (negative, for those who > haven't read it). My take on Larry's OO comments was that he remains unconvinced about OO in general - not a problem with the Perl implementation in particular. Like you, I have had some really positive experience with writing Perl code in an OO way recently. I've got a largish aplication that needs to be customisable - OO inheritance and overloading works like magic. My previous experience was that OO mapped nicely to GUI style programming problems and not much else. Have you any OO-Perl experience you'd like to share with the group? Regards Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From stephen at cyberelves.co.nz Sun Jun 11 22:10:23 2000 From: stephen at cyberelves.co.nz (Stephen Judd) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:06 2004 Subject: Wellington Perl Mongers Meeting in 3 Weeks In-Reply-To: <0FDDB7CD3976D311BCFC00E018C1B10C228BA9@wlgserve01.local.net.nz> Message-ID: > I'd be interested in others comments about Perl and OO, espcially > in light of Rosler's comments about complexity and performance. Well, writing some templating code for mod_perl/CGI purposes, it became astonishingly easy to write new constructors, and boffo, suddenly all my templates could live in the database, come from the filesystem, whatever. The fact that I had just been writing a fair lump of Java probably helped it seem easy though - I was already in the right frame of mind. Stephen From grantm at web.co.nz Tue Jun 20 18:48:47 2000 From: grantm at web.co.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:06 2004 Subject: Wellington Perl Mongers Meeting in 2 Weeks Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B3624748D@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> Hi Mongers Meeting: Wellington Perl Mongers Start Time: Wednesday 5 July 2000, 5:30 PM Location: The Web Limited Level 8, 86 Lambton Quay We're still light on the ground for presentations. The 'agenda' so far is: Grant McLean - Tricks of the DBI Masters Your name here - Your favourite Perl topic Group - Group Therapy Session Topics that have been suggested include: - Programming for portability - Tutorial on references (+/- objects) - Regular expression workshop If you are able to speak on these or any other Perl topics please let me know. I also had an idea for a variation on the Group Therapy theme... Perhaps we could get everyone to bring along a list of (say) three Perl modules they use regularly. Then we could go around the room and each person could tell us about how they use the module, and good/bad things they've found about it. Ideally, each person would only have to talk about one module but bringing a list of three should reduce the chance that everyone comes up with the same one. All feedback welcome - offers to speak especially welcome. Regards Grant ===================================================================== Grant McLean | email: grantm@web.co.nz | Lvl 8, 86 Lambton Quay The Web Limited | WWW: www.web.co.nz | PO Box 15-175 Internet Solutions | Tel: (04) 495 8250 | Wellington Awesome service | Fax: (04) 495 8259 | New Zealand From steveb at web.co.nz Thu Jun 22 22:57:38 2000 From: steveb at web.co.nz (Steve Baker) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:24:06 2004 Subject: Wellington Perl Mongers Meeting in 2 Weeks Message-ID: <416EBC605EBED111A31A08002B9F4B36212589@scarab.lq.web.co.nz> I would be happy to do something on GTK bindings for Perl. I got it working last night, so I now have 2 weeks to write a useful demo app!