From Peter at PSDT.com  Fri Jun 14 11:18:07 2013
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:18:07 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
Message-ID: <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com>

It's been a while, but I'm still here... who else is still in Victoria 
and interested in Perl?

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Fri Jun 14 11:47:02 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:47:02 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com>
References: <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com>
Message-ID: <51BB6526.5040301@darrenduncan.net>

On 2013.06.14 11:18 AM, Peter Scott wrote:
> It's been a while, but I'm still here... who else is still in Victoria and
> interested in Perl?

I am, I am!

With this group and some others on indefinite hiatus or defunct, the closest 
thing I've got to a programming group now is Victoria Geo Geeks and maybe Tectoria.

-- Darren Duncan



From brendan at ming.org  Fri Jun 14 11:56:13 2013
From: brendan at ming.org (brendan)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:56:13 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: <51BB6526.5040301@darrenduncan.net>
References: <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com> <51BB6526.5040301@darrenduncan.net>
Message-ID: <51BB674D.4030103@ming.org>

On 13-06-14 11:47 AM, Darren Duncan wrote:
> On 2013.06.14 11:18 AM, Peter Scott wrote:
>> It's been a while, but I'm still here... who else is still in
>> Victoria and
>> interested in Perl?
> I am, I am!

i'm here and still using perl (even if it's less trendy/cool than it
used to be).

From scottecampbell at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 13:06:04 2013
From: scottecampbell at gmail.com (Scott E. Campbell)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:06:04 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: <51BB674D.4030103@ming.org>
References: <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com> <51BB6526.5040301@darrenduncan.net>
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Here and using perl - venturing into Catalyst which is new for me.

Haven't been to a meeting yet but haven't seen a notice for one almost
since I joined.

Scott


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:56 AM, brendan <brendan at ming.org> wrote:

> On 13-06-14 11:47 AM, Darren Duncan wrote:
> > On 2013.06.14 11:18 AM, Peter Scott wrote:
> >> It's been a while, but I'm still here... who else is still in
> >> Victoria and
> >> interested in Perl?
> > I am, I am!
>
> i'm here and still using perl (even if it's less trendy/cool than it
> used to be).
> _______________________________________________
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> Victoria-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/victoria-pm
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From Peter at PSDT.com  Fri Jun 14 17:42:56 2013
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:42:56 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: <CADpXHskAnLZpjWy6m+tyrEDTmoeWB=GVepP=+xuiTHmrW4CFFg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/14/2013 1:06 PM, Scott E. Campbell wrote:
> Here and using perl - venturing into Catalyst which is new for me.

You might try Dancer or Mojolicious, two more modern alternatives both 
of which seem to enjoy more support and be significantly easier to use.

> Haven't been to a meeting yet but haven't seen a notice for one almost 
> since I joined.

Poll for the group: If we held a meeting that you wanted to attend, what 
would happen there?

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Fri Jun 14 18:22:07 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:22:07 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: <51BBB890.8030007@PSDT.com>
References: <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com> <51BB6526.5040301@darrenduncan.net>
	<51BB674D.4030103@ming.org>
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On 2013.06.14 5:42 PM, Peter Scott wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 1:06 PM, Scott E. Campbell wrote:
>> Here and using perl - venturing into Catalyst which is new for me.
>
> You might try Dancer or Mojolicious, two more modern alternatives both of which
> seem to enjoy more support and be significantly easier to use.

I agree with this.  Catalyst was a big thing a few years ago, but more recently 
it is considered kind of large and clunky, and that alternatives like Dancer are 
easier to use.  We use Dancer at my work.  I don't have a strong opinion 
regarding web frameworks though, except that these days any modern web app 
should definitely be using PSGI/Plack between it and the web server.  Both 
Catalyst and Dancer do that these days.

>> Haven't been to a meeting yet but haven't seen a notice for one almost since I
>> joined.
>
> Poll for the group: If we held a meeting that you wanted to attend, what would
> happen there?

My strongest interest and opinions are in databases, so an ideal meeting for me 
would involve talk about that.  My favorite and most recommendable 
production-quality DBMS these days is PostgreSQL, but more broadly I consider 
relational better than non-relational as the default tool category.

I think an ideal meeting would have a large amount of open discussion, people 
talking about whatever they want to.  The meetings are more about a social 
gathering of people with common interests, and learning about tools or projects 
is secondary.  Since this group is about Perl, I would expect people gathering 
under that name would naturally talk about things connected to Perl somehow.  So 
I don't need to know about any specific topic in advance to know I would enjoy 
the meeting.  At the same time I think we'd need a minimum of like 4 people to 
make it worthwhile, and ideally many more.

I can always talk about my Muldis D project which is a 
heavily-Perl-inspired-and-resembling and Perl-implemented database programming 
language.  (To get an idea of the similarity level, compare how far apart Perl 5 
and Perl 6 are from each other, and then go not more than that amount further 
than Perl 6.)  I hope to have the first executable by the end of summer. 
There's no point having a meeting with that as a formal topic until after it 
actually runs though.

-- Darren Duncan


From peter at psdt.com  Fri Jun 14 19:18:26 2013
From: peter at psdt.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:18:26 -0700
Subject: [VPM] OSCON Perl tutorial
Message-ID: <51BBCEF2.2080601@psdt.com>

Just an FYI for anyone you know who is going to OSCON in five weeks and 
might want to jumpstart learning Perl: I will be giving an introduction 
to Perl tutorial, "Perl: The First Three Days" (in three hours).  See 
http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/detail/28923 . Highly 
rated from last year.

From darren at darrenduncan.net  Fri Jun 14 22:08:31 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:08:31 -0700
Subject: [VPM] OSCON Perl tutorial
In-Reply-To: <51BBCEF2.2080601@psdt.com>
References: <51BBCEF2.2080601@psdt.com>
Message-ID: <51BBF6CF.9010609@darrenduncan.net>

On 2013.06.14 7:18 PM, Peter Scott wrote:
> Just an FYI for anyone you know who is going to OSCON in five weeks and might
> want to jumpstart learning Perl: I will be giving an introduction to Perl
> tutorial, "Perl: The First Three Days" (in three hours).  See
> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/detail/28923 . Highly rated from
> last year.

I can't go to OSCON, or any cons, this year.  I have about 50% confidence in 
going next year, depending partly on what other cons I might attend, and partly 
on whether I'd be prepared to give a proper Muldis D talk. -- Darren Duncan



From darren at darrenduncan.net  Fri Jun 14 22:22:21 2013
From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:22:21 -0700
Subject: [VPM] OSCON Perl tutorial
In-Reply-To: <51BBF6CF.9010609@darrenduncan.net>
References: <51BBCEF2.2080601@psdt.com> <51BBF6CF.9010609@darrenduncan.net>
Message-ID: <51BBFA0D.5080408@darrenduncan.net>

On 2013.06.14 10:08 PM, Darren Duncan wrote:
> On 2013.06.14 7:18 PM, Peter Scott wrote:
>> Just an FYI for anyone you know who is going to OSCON in five weeks and might
>> want to jumpstart learning Perl: I will be giving an introduction to Perl
>> tutorial, "Perl: The First Three Days" (in three hours).  See
>> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/detail/28923 . Highly rated from
>> last year.
>
> I can't go to OSCON, or any cons, this year.  I have about 50% confidence in
> going next year, depending partly on what other cons I might attend, and partly
> on whether I'd be prepared to give a proper Muldis D talk. -- Darren Duncan

Further to this, I don't know if I told you, but I went to my first YAPC in 
2012, and I liked it.  Had previously been to OSCON 2005,6,8; strangely enough 
Peter, it seems like I talked with you more there than here during those years. 
  I'm interested in both conferences again, as well as maybe trying for my first 
PgCon next year (in Ottawa), if I'm ready.

Meanwhile, my strongest interest in the short term / in 2013 is if we have any 
Victoria.pm gatherings, as that's local and I don't have to do any major 
calendar or job arrangings around it.

Barring another idea, I suggest perhaps a topic for a pre-OSCON VPM meeting is 
you could practice giving your tutorial, or any other talk, especially if it 
changed from last year.  That works best for normal talks; for the tutorial I 
suppose you could pick out individual portions you might want the most feedback 
about.

If we decide to meet, we'll have to decide when works for people.  June 27 thru 
July 3 is the worst for me in the short term; other days/times may potentially work.

Also a question is where.  Does some room at UVic work?  Or some office in 
downtown Victoria?  Etc.  To use UVic we'd need a UVic student involved, for 
room booking; on the other hand UVic wants people to pay to use projectors. 
Unless one of us has our own portable one we can bring.

-- Darren Duncan


From Cy.Schubert at komquats.com  Fri Jun 14 22:46:21 2013
From: Cy.Schubert at komquats.com (Cy Schubert)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:46:21 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Scott <Peter@PSDT.com>
	of "Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:18:07 -0700." <51BB5E5F.6090303@PSDT.com>
Message-ID: <201306150546.r5F5kLCe003400@slippy.cwsent.com>

In message <51BB5E5F.6090303 at PSDT.com>, Peter Scott writes:
> It's been a while, but I'm still here... who else is still in Victoria 
> and interested in Perl?

I'm still here, using 5.16.2.


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at komquats.com>
FreeBSD UNIX:  <cy at FreeBSD.org>   Web:  http://www.FreeBSD.org



From Cy.Schubert at komquats.com  Fri Jun 14 22:47:54 2013
From: Cy.Schubert at komquats.com (Cy Schubert)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:47:54 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Scott <Peter@PSDT.com>
	of "Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:42:56 -0700." <51BBB890.8030007@PSDT.com>
Message-ID: <201306150547.r5F5lsFu003415@slippy.cwsent.com>

In message <51BBB890.8030007 at PSDT.com>, Peter Scott writes:
> On 6/14/2013 1:06 PM, Scott E. Campbell wrote:
> > Here and using perl - venturing into Catalyst which is new for me.
> 
> You might try Dancer or Mojolicious, two more modern alternatives both 
> of which seem to enjoy more support and be significantly easier to use.
> 
> > Haven't been to a meeting yet but haven't seen a notice for one almost 
> > since I joined.
> 
> Poll for the group: If we held a meeting that you wanted to attend, what 
> would happen there?

I'd attend.

Not sure what you mean by happen there. Maybe we could acquaint ourselves 
again and discuss an agenda for the next meeting or two.


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at komquats.com>
FreeBSD UNIX:  <cy at FreeBSD.org>   Web:  http://www.FreeBSD.org



From Cy.Schubert at komquats.com  Fri Jun 14 22:50:20 2013
From: Cy.Schubert at komquats.com (Cy Schubert)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:50:20 -0700
Subject: [VPM] OSCON Perl tutorial
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Scott <peter@psdt.com>
	of "Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:18:26 -0700." <51BBCEF2.2080601@psdt.com>
Message-ID: <201306150550.r5F5oMAg003450@slippy.cwsent.com>

In message <51BBCEF2.2080601 at psdt.com>, Peter Scott writes:
> Just an FYI for anyone you know who is going to OSCON in five weeks and 
> might want to jumpstart learning Perl: I will be giving an introduction 
> to Perl tutorial, "Perl: The First Three Days" (in three hours).  See 
> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/detail/28923 . Highly 
> rated from last year.

Not I. I went to BSDCan in 2009, had to pay for it myself. Given that I'm a 
FreeBSD committer and funds are limited, I have to choose.


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at komquats.com>
FreeBSD UNIX:  <cy at FreeBSD.org>   Web:  http://www.FreeBSD.org



From scottecampbell at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 23:40:59 2013
From: scottecampbell at gmail.com (Scott E. Campbell)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:40:59 -0700
Subject: [VPM] OSCON Perl tutorial
In-Reply-To: <51BBFA0D.5080408@darrenduncan.net>
References: <51BBCEF2.2080601@psdt.com> <51BBF6CF.9010609@darrenduncan.net>
	<51BBFA0D.5080408@darrenduncan.net>
Message-ID: <CADpXHskSXce03ni6vQH4_7D_a3iONCg9v=eLQ60uywfDXpepTg@mail.gmail.com>

Conveniently, I work at UVic so can probably help out in regards to booking
a room.

Scott


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net>wrote:

> On 2013.06.14 10:08 PM, Darren Duncan wrote:
>
>> On 2013.06.14 7:18 PM, Peter Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Just an FYI for anyone you know who is going to OSCON in five weeks and
>>> might
>>> want to jumpstart learning Perl: I will be giving an introduction to Perl
>>> tutorial, "Perl: The First Three Days" (in three hours).  See
>>> http://www.oscon.com/**oscon2013/public/schedule/**detail/28923<http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/detail/28923>. Highly rated from
>>> last year.
>>>
>>
>> I can't go to OSCON, or any cons, this year.  I have about 50% confidence
>> in
>> going next year, depending partly on what other cons I might attend, and
>> partly
>> on whether I'd be prepared to give a proper Muldis D talk. -- Darren
>> Duncan
>>
>
> Further to this, I don't know if I told you, but I went to my first YAPC
> in 2012, and I liked it.  Had previously been to OSCON 2005,6,8; strangely
> enough Peter, it seems like I talked with you more there than here during
> those years.  I'm interested in both conferences again, as well as maybe
> trying for my first PgCon next year (in Ottawa), if I'm ready.
>
> Meanwhile, my strongest interest in the short term / in 2013 is if we have
> any Victoria.pm gatherings, as that's local and I don't have to do any
> major calendar or job arrangings around it.
>
> Barring another idea, I suggest perhaps a topic for a pre-OSCON VPM
> meeting is you could practice giving your tutorial, or any other talk,
> especially if it changed from last year.  That works best for normal talks;
> for the tutorial I suppose you could pick out individual portions you might
> want the most feedback about.
>
> If we decide to meet, we'll have to decide when works for people.  June 27
> thru July 3 is the worst for me in the short term; other days/times may
> potentially work.
>
> Also a question is where.  Does some room at UVic work?  Or some office in
> downtown Victoria?  Etc.  To use UVic we'd need a UVic student involved,
> for room booking; on the other hand UVic wants people to pay to use
> projectors. Unless one of us has our own portable one we can bring.
>
>
> -- Darren Duncan
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Victoria-pm mailing list
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From peter at psdt.com  Mon Jun 17 08:12:07 2013
From: peter at psdt.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:12:07 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at komquats.com> wrote:

>> Poll for the group: If we held a meeting that you wanted to attend, what 
>> would happen there?
> 
> I'd attend.
> 
> Not sure what you mean by happen there. Maybe we could acquaint ourselves 
> again and discuss an agenda for the next meeting or two.

That was my way of asking what would get people to want to attend. 

From deid at drsol.com  Mon Jun 17 08:38:38 2013
From: deid at drsol.com (Deid Reimer)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:38:38 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Ping
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Message-ID: <10A992E8-600F-4710-8EE4-E763A9E8F51B@drsol.com>



On 2013-06-17, at 8:12 AM, Peter Scott <peter at psdt.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at komquats.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Poll for the group: If we held a meeting that you wanted to attend, what 
>>> would happen there?
>> 
>> I'd attend.
>> 
>> Not sure what you mean by happen there. Maybe we could acquaint ourselves 
>> again and discuss an agenda for the next meeting or two.
> 
> That was my way of asking what would get people to want to attend. 
> _______________________________________________

Coffee and an interesting discussion. 

Deid