From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Mon Nov  5 13:41:22 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:41:22 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Next meeting RFI
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071105124213.03351eb0@mail.webquarry.com>
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At 12:48 PM -0800 11/5/07, Peter Scott wrote (off-list):
>May I please have, for the Nov 20 meeting:
>Suitable directions to the new location;
>Suitable description of Mock's talk and Darren's update.
>Thanks!

I actually saw your request for this on the list a couple weeks ago, 
but had thought it okay to wait until the meeting was closer before 
replying.

To be brief, my talk would be about the design of the Muldis D 
language and of its implementation in the form of Muldis DB, where it 
is a Perl hosted language that specializes in working with relational 
databases.

Unlike other Perl tools for working with databases, the paradigm of 
Muldis DB is based on storing all database centric code in databases 
themselves as stored procedures, such that the databases are 
essentially reusable program modules that also persist user data; 
some databases could be code-only as well, making them essentially 
Muldis D libraries; either way, the host Perl code would invoke these 
procedures directly almost as if they were Perl subroutines.

Relevant urls include http://search.cpan.org/dist/Language-MuldisD/ 
and http://search.cpan.org/dist/Muldis-DB/ .

I do not expect to have any slideshow, but I can do walkthrus of code 
and/or design docs.

I won't know until the meeting date is closer as to whether I can 
demonstrate it actually running or not, but I will try.

-- Darren Duncan

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Tue Nov  6 03:18:10 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:18:10 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Tue, 2007 Nov 6th, 7:00pm - November RCSS meeting
Message-ID: <p06240801c355fc32b786@[192.168.1.101]>

This message is forwarded from the Recreational Computer Science
Society mailing list. -- Darren Duncan

WARNING:  No official announcement for this meeting was posted in the 
last few days, so I'm forwarding this week-old pre-announcement 
instead.  But I personally am assuming that the meeting will still be 
happening as detailed, and will be going myself.

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Next meeting!
UVic
Engineering & Computer Science Building
Rm 130 (same as last month)
7:00PM
Tuesday, Nov 6th

Hi everyone,

just under a week to the next meeting. Now, I know Tony is going to
talk about FLAC at the next meeting and I'm quite certain someone else
volunteered something as well but with all the chaos around me I can't
remember what it was.

I've promised James at the Google talk last night that I would give a
tutorial on Javascript at the December meeting but if anyone else was
there and is really eager to see a talk with some serious meat on its
bones, here are James Crockford's excellent Advanced Javascript
lectures again.

Part 1: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=111585&fr=
Part 2: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=111586&fr=
Part 3: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=111587&fr=

If you haven't watched them and you're still thinking Javascript is a
n00b language you'd better check them out.

See you all on Tuesday, and I'll send out a proper announcement soon,
-p

-- 
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Victoria, BC, Canada
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From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Nov  6 10:54:10 2007
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:54:10 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Next meeting RFI
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At 01:41 PM 11/5/2007, Darren Duncan wrote:
>At 12:48 PM -0800 11/5/07, Peter Scott wrote (off-list):
> >May I please have, for the Nov 20 meeting:
> >Suitable directions to the new location;
> >Suitable description of Mock's talk and Darren's update.
> >Thanks!
>
>I actually saw your request for this on the list a couple weeks ago,
>but had thought it okay to wait until the meeting was closer before
>replying.

Mock, are you out there?

-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From mock at obscurity.org  Tue Nov  6 16:53:44 2007
From: mock at obscurity.org (mock)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:53:44 +0000
Subject: [VPM] Next meeting RFI
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:54:10AM -0800, Peter Scott wrote:
> At 01:41 PM 11/5/2007, Darren Duncan wrote:
> >At 12:48 PM -0800 11/5/07, Peter Scott wrote (off-list):
> >>May I please have, for the Nov 20 meeting:
> >>Suitable directions to the new location;
> >>Suitable description of Mock's talk and Darren's update.
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >I actually saw your request for this on the list a couple weeks ago,
> >but had thought it okay to wait until the meeting was closer before
> >replying.
> 
> Mock, are you out there?
> 
 

Yup, not too awol, just traveling without easy net access for a few days.

So, the new location is at 207 - 3347 Oak Street.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&output=html&hl=en&q=3347+Oak+Street+victoria+bc+canada&zoom=0&zp=OO

The description of the talk is "How to find vulnerabilities in perl code."
Which is fairly descriptive of what it's going to be about I think.

mock

From Peter at PSDT.com  Mon Nov 12 13:20:30 2007
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:20:30 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>

Victoria Perl Mongers returns this month at its regular timeslot (7pm, 
third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:

Date:		Tuesday, November 20
Time:		7:00 PM
Location:	3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite

See: 
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&output=html&hl=en&q=3347+Oak+Street+victoria+bc+canada&zoom=0&zp=OO

Main presenter: Mock
Presentation: 	"How to find vulnerabilities in perl code."

A compelling topic if ever I heard one.

Darren Duncan will fill in remaining time with the design of the Muldis 
D language and of its implementation in the form of Muldis DB, where it 
is a Perl hosted language that specializes in working with relational 
databases.

Unlike other Perl tools for working with databases, the paradigm of
Muldis DB is based on storing all database centric code in databases
themselves as stored procedures, such that the databases are
essentially reusable program modules that also persist user data;
some databases could be code-only as well, making them essentially
Muldis D libraries; either way, the host Perl code would invoke these
procedures directly almost as if they were Perl subroutines.

Relevant urls include http://search.cpan.org/dist/Language-MuldisD/
and http://search.cpan.org/dist/Muldis-DB/ .


The Victoria Perl Mongers welcome presentations and attendance from 
those who are interested in any dynamic scripting language, including 
and especially Ruby, Python, and Haskell.  Our home page is 
http://victoria.pm.org/ .

Copied to the VLUG list by kind permission of its list owner.
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Mon Nov 12 13:29:15 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:29:15 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c35e75bd1312@[192.168.1.101]>

At 1:20 PM -0800 11/12/07, Peter Scott wrote:
>Our home page is
>http://victoria.pm.org/ .

Maybe this is pending, but the website should be updated to describe 
the Nov meeting date, time, location, and subject; it is quite 
outdated now. -- Darren Duncan

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Thu Nov 15 19:53:41 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:53:41 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c362c46b810e@[192.168.1.102]>

At 1:20 PM -0800 11/12/07, Peter Scott wrote:
>Victoria Perl Mongers returns this month at its regular timeslot (7pm,
>third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:
>
>Date:		Tuesday, November 20
>Time:		7:00 PM
>Location:	3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite

So I just forwarded this message (3 days later) to 3 other mailing 
lists (RCSS, Cybersuds, VMUG) besides the 2 lists that Peter did 
(VPM, VLUG). -- Darren Duncan

From mock at obscurity.org  Fri Nov 16 15:52:00 2007
From: mock at obscurity.org (mock)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:52:00 +0000
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c362c46b810e@[192.168.1.102]>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06240802c362c46b810e@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>

> At 1:20 PM -0800 11/12/07, Peter Scott wrote:
> >Victoria Perl Mongers returns this month at its regular timeslot (7pm,
> >third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:
> >
> >Date:		Tuesday, November 20
> >Time:		7:00 PM
> >Location:	3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite
> 

Could I get a quick head count from people so I know which room I need to put
the projector into.

There's me, Darren and Peter for 3... others?

mock

From charlespfrank at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 16:07:37 2007
From: charlespfrank at gmail.com (Charles Frank)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:07:37 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06240802c362c46b810e@192.168.1.102>
	<20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
Message-ID: <860fd9970711161607o63a805c0jdca163d6af78864b@mail.gmail.com>

Good Evening,

I would like to attend my first VPM meeting.  I have been lurking on
the list for a while now, but I have not been to a VPM.  I use to
attend the NYC PM meetings but I have fallen out since moving to
Victoria this fall.

I have a Sierra Club meeting on the same night, but I think I'll pass
on it in favor of this one.

I am not sure how much background I should give, or if anybody is even
interested, but I cofounded this company in NYC:

http://plusthree.com

I hired Perrin Harkins, Michael Peters, and Sam Tregar to do
development work at Plus Three.  We did some high profile mod_perl
work, providing 'campaigns in a box' for US political orgs and
non-profits.

I think that is a decent enough back ground to start.  In the rather
unlikely event that anybody wants more info, I'd be glad to talk to
them on a private thread.

The mod_perl work seems to be slim around these parts, but any
location, except for maybe London, would be compared to NYC.  If
anybody knows of anything, please let me know.  I am looking for a
good shop to work with locally.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Nov 16, 2007 3:52 PM, mock <mock at obscurity.org> wrote:
> > At 1:20 PM -0800 11/12/07, Peter Scott wrote:
> > >Victoria Perl Mongers returns this month at its regular timeslot (7pm,
> > >third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:
> > >
> > >Date:                Tuesday, November 20
> > >Time:                7:00 PM
> > >Location:    3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite
> >
>
> Could I get a quick head count from people so I know which room I need to put
> the projector into.
>
> There's me, Darren and Peter for 3... others?
>
> mock
>
> _______________________________________________
> Victoria-pm mailing list
> Victoria-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/victoria-pm
>

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Fri Nov 16 16:46:41 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:46:41 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06240802c362c46b810e@[192.168.1.102]>
	<20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
Message-ID: <p06240800c363e9f83c66@[192.168.1.102]>

At 11:52 PM +0000 11/16/07, mock wrote:
>  > At 1:20 PM -0800 11/12/07, Peter Scott wrote:
>>  >Victoria Perl Mongers returns this month at its regular timeslot (7pm,
>>  >third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:
>>  >
>>  >Date:		Tuesday, November 20
>>  >Time:		7:00 PM
>  > >Location:	3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite
>
>Could I get a quick head count from people so I know which room I need to put
>the projector into.
>
>There's me, Darren and Peter for 3... others?
>
>mock

Is your largest available room inferior in other ways than size such 
that you don't just use that one by default? -- Darren Duncan

From Peter at PSDT.com  Fri Nov 16 16:52:34 2007
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:52:34 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <860fd9970711161607o63a805c0jdca163d6af78864b@mail.gmail.co m>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06240802c362c46b810e@192.168.1.102>
	<20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
	<860fd9970711161607o63a805c0jdca163d6af78864b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071116165216.0356d860@mail.webquarry.com>

At 04:07 PM 11/16/2007, Charles Frank wrote:
>I hired Perrin Harkins, Michael Peters, and Sam Tregar to do
>development work at Plus Three.  We did some high profile mod_perl
>work, providing 'campaigns in a box' for US political orgs and
>non-profits.

$self->colour('impressed' );

-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Fri Nov 16 17:23:37 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:23:37 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <860fd9970711161607o63a805c0jdca163d6af78864b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06240802c362c46b810e@192.168.1.102>
	<20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
	<860fd9970711161607o63a805c0jdca163d6af78864b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c363eb7d97a7@[192.168.1.102]>

Hello Charles, welcome to the livemeetings.

Regarding plusthree, I haven't heard of it before, but I do recognize 
the name Sam Tregar from our common involvement in several email 
exchanges, such as the DBI and Bricolage lists.

Regarding your "looking for a good shop" comment, are you implying 
that you don't currently have income, or that you do but are looking 
for something better?

Have you checked in with Mock's employer?  They tried to hire me this 
last January or so, but I was already engaged elsewhere, so then 
ended up later bringing Mock from Vancouver instead.  At the time 
they were looking for lots of people, and maybe they still are.

-- Darren Duncan

At 4:07 PM -0800 11/16/07, Charles Frank wrote:
>Good Evening,
>
>I would like to attend my first VPM meeting.  I have been lurking on
>the list for a while now, but I have not been to a VPM.  I use to
>attend the NYC PM meetings but I have fallen out since moving to
>Victoria this fall.
>
>I have a Sierra Club meeting on the same night, but I think I'll pass
>on it in favor of this one.
>
>I am not sure how much background I should give, or if anybody is even
>interested, but I cofounded this company in NYC:
>
>http://plusthree.com
>
>I hired Perrin Harkins, Michael Peters, and Sam Tregar to do
>development work at Plus Three.  We did some high profile mod_perl
>work, providing 'campaigns in a box' for US political orgs and
>non-profits.
>
>I think that is a decent enough back ground to start.  In the rather
>unlikely event that anybody wants more info, I'd be glad to talk to
>them on a private thread.
>
>The mod_perl work seems to be slim around these parts, but any
>location, except for maybe London, would be compared to NYC.  If
>anybody knows of anything, please let me know.  I am looking for a
>good shop to work with locally.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chuck

From charlespfrank at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 18:03:26 2007
From: charlespfrank at gmail.com (Charles Frank)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:03:26 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting November 20 - new location
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c363eb7d97a7@192.168.1.102>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071107170755.0384eeb0@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06240802c362c46b810e@192.168.1.102>
	<20071116235200.GF29981@obscurity.org>
	<860fd9970711161607o63a805c0jdca163d6af78864b@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240803c363eb7d97a7@192.168.1.102>
Message-ID: <860fd9970711161803p7727d0dxb696c021cf76a78c@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 16, 2007 5:23 PM, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net> wrote:
> Hello Charles, welcome to the livemeetings.

Thank you, I look forward to meeting everyone.

>
> Regarding plusthree, I haven't heard of it before, but I do recognize
> the name Sam Tregar from our common involvement in several email
> exchanges, such as the DBI and Bricolage lists.

Yes, he is working for 'We Also Walk Dogs' now, the technology arm
behind MoveOn.org.  He was on the frontlines for the Kentucky
Governor's race, and his candidate won.   He's a great guy.  The other
two gentlemen that I mentioned have more of presence via the mod_perl
community.  We sent Perrin and Michael to the perlcons and apachecons.
 Perrin says that he has seen you and Peter at conferences, and of
course, we all read Peter's Perl Medic book.  In fact we used it in
code review sessions.

Sam was the lead dev on the Krang cms for some time (the open source
cms that my ARCOS product is based on), at Prime Media.  Hence his
postings to the Bricolage lists.

>
> Regarding your "looking for a good shop" comment, are you implying
> that you don't currently have income, or that you do but are looking
> for something better?

I am not working right now, and I have just completed the process for
my work permit, so I am finally eligible to work in Canada.  My wife
accepted a tenure track professorship at UVIC this fall, and we moved
to Victoria.  I accepted a buy out from Plus Three, and while I am
still an owner, I no longer have voting rights, and am no longer
employed by Plus Three - so I am free and clear w/out any conflict of
interests.

>
> Have you checked in with Mock's employer?  They tried to hire me this
> last January or so, but I was already engaged elsewhere, so then
> ended up later bringing Mock from Vancouver instead.  At the time
> they were looking for lots of people, and maybe they still are.

No, I haven't.  I talked w/Phillipe at ActiveState about a job
opening, but they were looking for somebody local to Vancouver.
Thanks for the lead.

Good night,

Chuck

From Peter at PSDT.com  Mon Nov 19 13:20:00 2007
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:20:00 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting tomorrow
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071112132032.039a42e0@mail.webquarry.com>

Victoria Perl Mongers returns this month at its regular timeslot (7pm, 
third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:

Date:		Tuesday, November 20
Time:		7:00 PM
Location:	3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite

See: 
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&output=html&hl=en&q=3347+Oak+Street+victoria+bc+canada&zoom=0&zp=OO

Main presenter: Mock
Presentation: 	"How to find vulnerabilities in perl code."

A compelling topic if ever I heard one.

Darren Duncan will fill in remaining time with the design of the Muldis 
D language and of its implementation in the form of Muldis DB, where it 
is a Perl hosted language that specializes in working with relational 
databases.

Unlike other Perl tools for working with databases, the paradigm of
Muldis DB is based on storing all database centric code in databases
themselves as stored procedures, such that the databases are
essentially reusable program modules that also persist user data;
some databases could be code-only as well, making them essentially
Muldis D libraries; either way, the host Perl code would invoke these
procedures directly almost as if they were Perl subroutines.

Relevant urls include http://search.cpan.org/dist/Language-MuldisD/
and http://search.cpan.org/dist/Muldis-DB/ .


The Victoria Perl Mongers welcome presentations and attendance from 
those who are interested in any dynamic scripting language, including 
and especially Ruby, Python, and Haskell.  Our home page is 
http://victoria.pm.org/ .

Copied to the VLUG list by kind permission of its list owner.
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Mon Nov 19 22:38:31 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:38:31 -0800
Subject: [VPM] ANNOUNCE - Language::MuldisD v0.11.0 released
Message-ID: <p06240800c36820334c18@[192.168.1.102]>

All,

I am pleased to announce the release of Language::MuldisD 
official/unembraced version 0.11.0 on CPAN.  You can see it now, with 
nicely HTMLized documentation, at:

   http://search.cpan.org/dist/Language-MuldisD/

All the important changes since release 0.9.0 were in the file 
Basics.pod, mainly its bottom half from ENVIRONMENT downwards:

1.  A Muldis D DBMS / virtual machine is now officially 
multi-threaded rather than single-threaded; that is, it now houses 
multiple concurrent processes where each is its own context for 
transactions.  A corollary to this is that Muldis D now includes 
autonomous transaction support.  Implementations of Muldis D can use 
either lightweight threads or heavyweight processes or fake either as 
they see fit; in any event, each in-DBMS process is isolated from the 
others.

One consequence of this change is that Muldis D can now provide the 
commonly used state-remembering sequence generators feature where the 
generator doesn't issue repeated values following a rollback of a 
transaction within which it issued values.  To be more specific, 
users can choose which of the behaviours they want if they can't or 
don't want to invoke the generator prior to the start of the main 
transaction.  If repeat values are okay or desired, then they invoke 
the sequence generator within the main transaction like before.  To 
avoid repeat values after invoking the generator within a main 
transaction, users can instead invoke it within a separate autonomous 
transaction which commits regardless of what the main transaction 
does.

If you wonder why that makes a difference, keep in mind that Muldis D 
prescribes that the whole virtual machine as seen by a process is 
synchronized for transactions, and that everything in it, 
data-definition and sequence generators included, are subject to 
transactions and can be rolled back (which is also how SQLite works). 
Previously, the whole VM period was one main transaction at a time.

Another use for autonomy is if you want to reliably commit a log of 
some operation that will be rolled back prior to rolling it back.

A more broad use for the change is that a Muldis D DBMS can more 
effectively serve as a database server with multiple independent 
clients like Oracle et al do.

Note that this feature is in addition to the implicit auto-threading 
ability that implementations could choose to use before to speed up 
parallelizable order-agnostic set/relational function operations.

2.  An in-DBMS entity top-level namespace was added to house all 
system-defined types and routines that are implementation-specific 
and non-standard, so that the standard Muldis D language can be free 
to evolve without worrying about conflicts with third-party 
extensions.  So anything starting with 'sys.' is part of the 
standard, and anything starting with 'imp.' is not.  The broadest 
namespace for user-defined entities is now 'fed.' (federation).

3.  All user-defined types, routines, relvars in a database are now 
grouped under the privatizing 'package' namespaces, which are under 
the multi-level supporting 'depot' namespaces.  So it is easier to 
organize which things are public to everyone and which are private to 
just use in the same package; that is, we more easily distinguish 
between persistable public/private types, routines, and relvars.

4.  It is now normal (and essentially required) to store all database 
referencing code in the database as stored routines, and the rest of 
your application just invokes those directly.  As a corollary, you 
can define databases which contain just code, and are effectively 
code libraries, though updateable ones.

5.  Documentation sections were added or updated to help better 
explain the meaning of the in-DBMS entity namespaces, and various 
connected concepts.

See the "Changes" file ( 
http://search.cpan.org/src/DUNCAND/Language-MuldisD-0.11.0/Changes ) 
for more details of what changed for this release.

Separately, a small update 0.5.0 to Muldis::DB was released:

   http://search.cpan.org/dist/Muldis-DB/

Its main change relates to DBMS objects now taking an extra setup 
parameter where users specify what query language they want to use 
with it, eg specifically what version of Muldis D, so that the Muldis 
DB implementation can unambiguously interpret the input it was given 
while supporting older or alternate language versions than the latest.

This feature is somewhat analagous to when you put a line at the top 
of Perl programs or modules that specifies what versions and/or 
minimal version of the Perl language it conforms to.

Its changes file has details.

The Muldis DB implementation is still not executing yet, sorry.

Thank you. -- Darren Duncan

From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Nov 20 15:57:35 2007
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:57:35 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting tonight
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071120155655.03e94b60@mail.webquarry.com>

Victoria Perl Mongers returns tonight at its regular timeslot (7pm, 
third Tuesday of the month), at a new location:

Date:		Tuesday, November 20
Time:		7:00 PM
Location:	3347 Oak Street, Office of Enquisite

See: 
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&output=html&hl=en&q=3347+Oak+Street+victoria+bc+canada&zoom=0&zp=OO

Main presenter: Mock
Presentation: 	"How to find vulnerabilities in perl code."

A compelling topic if ever I heard one.

Darren Duncan will fill in remaining time with the design of the Muldis 
D language and of its implementation in the form of Muldis DB, where it 
is a Perl hosted language that specializes in working with relational 
databases.

Unlike other Perl tools for working with databases, the paradigm of
Muldis DB is based on storing all database centric code in databases
themselves as stored procedures, such that the databases are
essentially reusable program modules that also persist user data;
some databases could be code-only as well, making them essentially
Muldis D libraries; either way, the host Perl code would invoke these
procedures directly almost as if they were Perl subroutines.

Relevant urls include http://search.cpan.org/dist/Language-MuldisD/
and http://search.cpan.org/dist/Muldis-DB/ .


The Victoria Perl Mongers welcome presentations and attendance from 
those who are interested in any dynamic scripting language, including 
and especially Ruby, Python, and Haskell.  Our home page is 
http://victoria.pm.org/ .

Copied to the VLUG list by kind permission of its list owner.
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Tue Nov 20 17:04:48 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:04:48 -0800
Subject: [VPM] I'll be a bit late arriving tonight
Message-ID: <p06240800c36933fcaed4@[192.168.1.102]>

As a quick heads-up,

I realize now I probably won't make it for an ideal bus, the 5:35, so 
I should be on the next one, the 6:05 ... that's scheduled to drop me 
off by Town and Country at 6:58.

So depending on related matters, I may be around 10 minutes late.

Mock, please wait to start your talk until I get there.

Thank you. -- Darren Duncan

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Wed Nov 28 19:24:43 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:24:43 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Tue, 2007 Dec 4th, 7:00pm - December RCSS meeting
Message-ID: <p06240801c373e078ec73@[192.168.1.102]>

This message is forwarded from the Recreational Computer Science 
Society mailing list. -- Darren Duncan

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December's Meeting:
UVic
Engineering & Computer Science Building
Rm 130 (same as last month)
7:00 PM
Tuesday, Dec 4th


Well, Peter's out of town till February, and I am filling-in the host
position for December's meeting. As far as I know there haven't been
more offers made for presentations/talks for the upcoming meeting in
December. If you have something interesting you'd like to share with
RCSS members, let us know.

In the upcoming meeting, I will be talking about a project that I've
been working on for some time: WebQA. As the name suggests, the
application would allow the user to do quality assurance, verify and
enforce requirements (and standards) on websites. I will primarily be
talking about the motivation for the project, the problem I'm trying
to solve, intended users and the application's architecture and design
at a high level. Then, there will be some time for Q&A, and I will
listen to your comments and feedback.


As for the mean time: I came across Google Code for Educators
(http://code.google.com/edu/videolectures.html) recently. It's quite
informative; they have video lectures and tutorials on a variety of
topics ranging from Java Memory Model to Distributed Systems used by
Google to Web 2.0.

See you in the upcoming meeting.

Cheers,
Sunpreet.

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From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Thu Nov 29 15:45:40 2007
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:45:40 -0800
Subject: [VPM] Wed, 2007 Dec 5 - Camosun Capstone Symposium
Message-ID: <p06240800c374fa564c03@[192.168.1.102]>

For your interest, the twice-annual Camosun Capstone Symposium is 
taking place in under 1 week, where near-graduate computing systems 
technology (CST) students show off projects.

Further details are contained in an official invitation that I 
received, the text of which I have copied below the dashed line.  The 
original was a 367KB PDF file, which can be seen for a few weeks at 
http://www.darrenduncan.net/Capstone_2007_special_invite.pdf with its 
full formatting and pictures.

I completed the CST program myself in 2001 and I usually make a point 
in catching up with what subsequent students are doing by attending.

-- Darren Duncan

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CAPSTONE 2007

An Invitation to our Special Guests:

We would like to invite you to the 25th Anniversary of the
Capstone Symposium

This exciting event will be held at the Holiday Inn
Wednesday Dec 5th from 10am to 3pm

Keynote speaker: John Sherrah
John is the founder and controlling shareholder of
International Technology Integration Inc.

Please register: http://capstone.camosun.bc.ca/index.htm
A special door prize for those who register online!

There will be a complimentary luncheon for all guests
We hope to see you there!

Sincerely,
The Graduating Computer Systems Technology Students