From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Wed Apr 18 02:46:07 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:46:07 -0700 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't Message-ID: All, It seems that today I made the mistake of not posting to the list a confirmation request as to whether the April 17th Victoria.pm meeting was happening today, but rather just took the victoria.pm.org web site at its word. I travelled to Victoria today and went to the usual location at UVIC, but the door was locked upstairs, and the alternate downstairs room was occupied by others, and none others of us were there. I then went home early. But still that was several hours wasted due to unnecessary travel. Take that as a lesson learned, and always ask when there isn't a list post that announces that a meeting is happening or canceled. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Apr 18 10:01:51 2007 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:01:51 -0700 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> At 02:46 AM 4/18/2007, Darren Duncan wrote: >It seems that today I made the mistake of not posting to the list a >confirmation request as to whether the April 17th Victoria.pm meeting >was happening today, but rather just took the victoria.pm.org web >site at its word. > >I travelled to Victoria today and went to the usual location at UVIC, >but the door was locked upstairs, and the alternate downstairs room >was occupied by others, and none others of us were there. I then >went home early. > >But still that was several hours wasted due to unnecessary travel. > >Take that as a lesson learned, and always ask when there isn't a list >post that announces that a meeting is happening or canceled. Gosh, I'm so sorry, I had completely forgotten that I had put on the web site that there would be an April meeting. That was a long time ago. Every other meeting has been preceded by two emails, 8 days and 1 day before the meeting, and this one wasn't. The last email I posted on the topic was several weeks ago, asking for someone who had the privileges to take over booking rooms. There were no replies. At present we have no way to get a room at UVic. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Wed Apr 18 14:29:49 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:29:49 -0700 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 10:01 AM -0700 4/18/07, Peter Scott wrote: >The last email I posted on >the topic was several weeks ago, asking for someone who had the >privileges to take over booking rooms. There were no replies. At >present we have no way to get a room at UVic. I get the impression, then, that there won't be any more VPM meetings until we sort out the room booking situation. We just have the mailing list for the moment. So I'll take that as the norm until it is posted otherwise. That said, I recall hearing that the RCSS group has survived so far without actually booking any rooms, and they're going strong-ish. If we just plan to use a downstairs room then this might work for us, while not optimal. And even RCSS is looking to do bookings soon, so maybe I'll see if we can piggyback on their solution. -- Darren Duncan From mock at obscurity.org Mon Apr 23 16:29:20 2007 From: mock at obscurity.org (mock) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:29:20 +0000 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:29:49PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > At 10:01 AM -0700 4/18/07, Peter Scott wrote: > >The last email I posted on > >the topic was several weeks ago, asking for someone who had the > >privileges to take over booking rooms. There were no replies. At > >present we have no way to get a room at UVic. > > I get the impression, then, that there won't be any more VPM meetings > until we sort out the room booking situation. We just have the > mailing list for the moment. So I'll take that as the norm until it > is posted otherwise. > > That said, I recall hearing that the RCSS group has survived so far > without actually booking any rooms, and they're going strong-ish. If > we just plan to use a downstairs room then this might work for us, > while not optimal. And even RCSS is looking to do bookings soon, so > maybe I'll see if we can piggyback on their solution. > > -- Darren Duncan > Behold I am mock, killer of pm groups! Seriously, I move from Vancouver, and there's an instant resurgence of the pm group - to Victoria, and it immediately dies. WTF? So is there any interest in having a meeting in a pub or something until a proper spot is found? I'm happy to give my "MVC: More Vulnerable Code" presentation which I gave at YAPC::Europe - if people haven't seen it, and they don't mind crowding around a laptop. mock From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Mon Apr 23 17:00:47 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:00:47 -0700 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> Message-ID: At 11:29 PM +0000 4/23/07, mock wrote: >I'm happy to give my "MVC: More Vulnerable Code" >presentation which I gave at YAPC::Europe - if people haven't seen >it, and they don't mind crowding around a laptop. I'm fine with that, though I'd have to sit close due to my short-sightedness. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Mon Apr 23 17:14:11 2007 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:14:11 -0700 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070423171120.0271fbf0@mail.webquarry.com> At 04:29 PM 4/23/2007, mock wrote: >So is there any interest in having a meeting in a pub or something until a >proper spot is found? I'm happy to give my "MVC: More Vulnerable Code" >presentation which I gave at YAPC::Europe - if people haven't seen it, >and they >don't mind crowding around a laptop. I totally want to see that presentation, but not competing with a jazz band in one corner and a Hell's Angels fight in the other :-) Plus, some writing surface would be most desirable and generally the only blackboards in pubs are attached to dartboards. Anyone got any ideas? UVic or some company conference room? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From mock at obscurity.org Tue Apr 24 10:30:13 2007 From: mock at obscurity.org (mock) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:30:13 +0000 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070423171120.0271fbf0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20070423171120.0271fbf0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <20070424173013.GC12662@obscurity.org> On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 05:14:11PM -0700, Peter Scott wrote: > At 04:29 PM 4/23/2007, mock wrote: > >So is there any interest in having a meeting in a pub or something until a > >proper spot is found? I'm happy to give my "MVC: More Vulnerable Code" > >presentation which I gave at YAPC::Europe - if people haven't seen it, > >and they > >don't mind crowding around a laptop. > > I totally want to see that presentation, but not competing with a jazz > band in one corner and a Hell's Angels fight in the other :-) Plus, > some writing surface would be most desirable and generally the only > blackboards in pubs are attached to dartboards. > > Anyone got any ideas? UVic or some company conference room? > I just asked, and Enquisite/Metamend seem willing to let us use their board room and projector. Thoughts on date? mock From Peter at PSDT.com Tue Apr 24 10:53:37 2007 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:53:37 -0700 Subject: [VPM] the April meeting that wasn't In-Reply-To: <20070424173013.GC12662@obscurity.org> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070418095812.027d1c58@mail.webquarry.com> <20070423232920.GB12662@obscurity.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20070423171120.0271fbf0@mail.webquarry.com> <20070424173013.GC12662@obscurity.org> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070424105249.02656bf0@mail.webquarry.com> At 10:30 AM 4/24/2007, mock wrote: > > Anyone got any ideas? UVic or some company conference room? > > > >I just asked, and Enquisite/Metamend seem willing to let us use their board >room and projector. Thoughts on date? Bravo! The traditional date is the third Tuesday of the month. For what it's worth, we should stick to that. So the next one would be May 15. How's that? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Wed Apr 25 17:41:34 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:41:34 -0700 Subject: [VPM] combined May meeting for RCSS, Victoria.pm? Message-ID: Citing the following 2 quoted emails (though with some further developments excluded), it occurs to me that the 2 local groups RCSS and Victoria.pm may be able to help each other out for the month of May by combining into one meeting. Specifically, RCSS has a room at UVIC (and a larger attending membership), but not really any talk. Whereas, Victoria.pm has a good talk (and few attending members), but it doesn't really have a room. I propose that "mock" give his talk to the RCSS group on the first tuesday of May, and the Victoria.pm people attend this meeting as if it were a VPM meeting (and I'm in both anyway). It is still 6 days until May 1st, so there is still time to organize. Note that RCSS meetings traditionally have multiple talks, so we could do mock's presentation plus others that either group's members want to do. (Eg, there was mention of throwing something together about Oracle's optimizer.) What do you say? -- Darren Duncan At 4:30 PM -0700 4/24/07, Peter van Hardenberg wrote (to RCSS): >I have no volunteers yet... Surely someone can talk? >-p > >On 4/23/07, Peter van Hardenberg wrote: > >Yes, the meeting will be Tuesday the 1st. Thanks for the reminder, I >should get down to organizing. > >So, who is able to speak at this meeting? Anyone know what's been >going on in the world of CSC lately? I have no idea if there have been >any big breakthroughs... At 5:14 PM -0700 4/23/07, Peter Scott wrote (to Victoria.pm): >At 04:29 PM 4/23/2007, mock wrote: >>So is there any interest in having a meeting in a pub or something until a >>proper spot is found? I'm happy to give my "MVC: More Vulnerable Code" >>presentation which I gave at YAPC::Europe - if people haven't seen it, >>and they >>don't mind crowding around a laptop. > >I totally want to see that presentation, but not competing with a jazz >band in one corner and a Hell's Angels fight in the other :-) Plus, >some writing surface would be most desirable and generally the only >blackboards in pubs are attached to dartboards. > >Anyone got any ideas? UVic or some company conference room? From mock at obscurity.org Wed Apr 25 18:14:14 2007 From: mock at obscurity.org (mock) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:14:14 +0000 Subject: [VPM] combined May meeting for RCSS, Victoria.pm? In-Reply-To: <3395df770704251757n6b5d0cf7kde54fd770b905b8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3395df770704251757n6b5d0cf7kde54fd770b905b8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070426011414.GH12662@obscurity.org> On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 05:57:21PM -0700, Peter van Hardenberg wrote: > mock, your talk looks quite interesting. I just took a look at your slides > and the talk looks quite entertaining. In the last year (this is our twelfth > meeting) we haven't discussed security once. Surely, this is a defect in > need of correction. > > If Vic.pm is alright with meeting on the 1st, we'd be happy to share our > space with you. > I'm cool with doing that, provided someone tells me where to show up and at what time. The talk is about 20 minutes (cuz that's the standard YAPC talk length), but I'll throw in a bit of bonus material that I came up with afterwards. mock From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Apr 25 18:34:13 2007 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:34:13 -0700 Subject: [VPM] combined May meeting for RCSS, Victoria.pm? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070425183305.02643ef0@mail.webquarry.com> At 05:41 PM 4/25/2007, Darren Duncan wrote: >Citing the following 2 quoted emails (though with some further >developments excluded), it occurs to me that the 2 local groups RCSS >and Victoria.pm may be able to help each other out for the month of >May by combining into one meeting. > >Specifically, RCSS has a room at UVIC (and a larger attending >membership), but not really any talk. Whereas, Victoria.pm has a >good talk (and few attending members), but it doesn't really have a >room. > >I propose that "mock" give his talk to the RCSS group on the first >tuesday of May, and the Victoria.pm people attend this meeting as if >it were a VPM meeting (and I'm in both anyway). > >It is still 6 days until May 1st, so there is still time to organize. > >Note that RCSS meetings traditionally have multiple talks, so we >could do mock's presentation plus others that either group's members >want to do. (Eg, there was mention of throwing something together >about Oracle's optimizer.) This is great news. My only regret is that I will not be there since I will be on travel all next week. If you stick to that schedule, have fun without me. Sorry I won't get to see mock's talk. Consider this a single vote for rescheduling. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Wed Apr 25 21:59:33 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:59:33 -0700 Subject: [VPM] combined May meeting for RCSS, Victoria.pm? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070425183305.02643ef0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070425183305.02643ef0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 6:34 PM -0700 4/25/07, Peter Scott wrote: >At 05:41 PM 4/25/2007, Darren Duncan wrote: >>I propose that "mock" give his talk to the RCSS group on the first >>tuesday of May, and the Victoria.pm people attend this meeting as if >>it were a VPM meeting (and I'm in both anyway). >> >>It is still 6 days until May 1st, so there is still time to organize. >> >This is great news. My only regret is that I will not be there >since I will be on travel all next week. If you stick to that >schedule, have fun without me. Sorry I won't get to see mock's >talk. Consider this a single vote for rescheduling. Personally, I'm not stuck with any particular date. However, it is better to try to settle earlier on one than later, so there is enough opportunity for people to work any changes into their schedules. I will also mention that RCSS has had its meeting on a day other than the first tuesday at least 3 times in the last few months, including Jan and Apr of 2007, so a difference won't be unusual. On the other hand, if we don't reschedule the RCSS off May 1st, presumably mock could give the talk on an additional day in the future. Whatever works for people. -- Darren Duncan From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Thu Apr 26 01:15:05 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:15:05 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Fwd: RCSS+VPM May Meeting Message-ID: This is forwarded from the RCSS list. Peter Scott, if you wish to re-distribute this under the auspices of a Victoria-pm meeting announcement, go ahead. Otherwise, I will forward it as is to a half-dozen other lists tomorrow, including all that you normally announce VPM meetings on. -- Darren Duncan ------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:58:03 -0700 From: "Peter van Hardenberg" To: reccompsci at googlegroups.com Subject: [reccompsci] RCSS May Meeting Here's the official announcement. Recreational Computer Science Society and Victoria.PM Meeting Tuesday, May 1st 7:00 PM UVic campus, ECS 104 (the last lecture hall on your left when entering from ring road). As of this writing, the expected talks are: MVC: More Vulnerable Code (mock) Oracle Query Optimization (Sergei) DIY Corner: Vector Math in C++ (pvh) This will be a joint meeting with the Victoria.PM group, so a big welcome to any Victoria.PM people who are able to come out. See you all there, -pvh From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Thu Apr 26 14:25:36 2007 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:25:36 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Tue, 2007 May 1st, 7:00pm - May RCSS+VPM meeting Message-ID: Forwarded from the "Recreational Computer Science Society" mailing list. -- Darren Duncan ------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:58:03 -0700 From: "Peter van Hardenberg" To: reccompsci at googlegroups.com Subject: [reccompsci] RCSS May Meeting Mailing-List: list reccompsci at googlegroups.com; contact reccompsci-owner at googlegroups.com List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , Here's the official announcement. Recreational Computer Science Society and Victoria.PM Meeting Tuesday, May 1st 7:00 PM UVic campus, ECS 104 (the last lecture hall on your left when entering from ring road). As of this writing, the expected talks are: MVC: More Vulnerable Code (mock) Oracle Query Optimization (Sergei) DIY Corner: Vector Math in C++ (pvh) This will be a joint meeting with the Victoria.PM group, so a big welcome to any Victoria.PM people who are able to come out. See you all there, -pvh -- Peter van Hardenberg Victoria, BC, Canada "Everything was beautiful, and nothing hurt." -- Kurt Vonnegut