From abez at abez.ca Sat Jul 2 23:32:13 2005 From: abez at abez.ca (abez) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VPM] Presentation Code Message-ID: http://churchturing.org/w/botpresentation.tgz My presentation and code are there, sorry for the delay. abram -- abez ------------------------------------------ http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca) ------------------------------------------ abez From Peter at PSDT.com Tue Jul 12 09:22:33 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:22:33 -0700 Subject: [VPM] July Victoria Perl Mongers Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050712091540.034fbd90@mail.webquarry.com> I propose for July 19 to present my OSCON talk, "Extreme Perl Makeover", never before seen by human eyes. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2005/view/e_sess/6533 There will be room for another hour's topic. Suggestions? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Tue Jul 12 10:24:48 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:24:48 -0700 Subject: [VPM] July Victoria Perl Mongers In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050712091540.034fbd90@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050712091540.034fbd90@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 9:22 AM -0700 7/12/05, Peter Scott wrote: >I propose for July 19 to present my OSCON talk, "Extreme Perl >Makeover", never before seen by human >eyes. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2005/view/e_sess/6533 Yes, please do. Both we and you benefitted from your doing a trial run of your OSCON talk last year. (I also intend to see it while at OSCON itself.) >There will be room for another hour's topic. Suggestions? I would like to practice a Lightning Talk that I will propose for OSCON, which is my first conference besides WWDC (where I didn't speak), so I could use the practice and feedback. The Lightning Talk is maximum 5 minutes with questions but I may try it several times, incorporating your suggestions and/or discussing what could work well for it. The topic is a brief introduction to my 'Rosetta' database access suite. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Jul 13 10:36:22 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:36:22 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting July 19 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050713103155.035d09f8@mail.webquarry.com> Victoria.pm will meet at its regular date, time, and not quite the same place on Tuesday, July 19, 7pm, at UVic in David F. Strong Building C113. I will preview my OSCON talk, "Extreme Perl Makeover", never before seen by human eyes. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2005/view/e_sess/6533 . Darren Duncan will preview his OSCON lightning talk on Rosetta, a portable database access API. Make requests for anything else you'd like to see covered. We can, for instance, give brief tutorials for beginners or explore certain issues in depth. (Courtesy copy to VLUG members by permission of the list manager. Victoria.pm's home page is .) -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From Peter at PSDT.com Mon Jul 18 01:36:00 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:36:00 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting July 19 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050713103634.03658650@mail.webquarry.com> Victoria.pm will meet at its regular date, time, and not quite the same place tomorrow, Tuesday, July 19, 7pm, at UVic in David F. Strong Building C113. I will preview my OSCON talk, "Extreme Perl Makeover", never before seen by human eyes. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2005/view/e_sess/6533 . Darren Duncan will preview his OSCON lightning talk on Rosetta, a portable database access API. Make requests for anything else you'd like to see covered. We can, for instance, give brief tutorials for beginners or explore certain issues in depth. (Courtesy copy to VLUG members by permission of the list manager. Victoria.pm's home page is .) -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Mon Jul 18 19:08:46 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:08:46 -0700 Subject: [VPM] car-pooling to OSCON? Message-ID: Is anyone here going to OSCON 2005 in a couple weeks? I'm looking for people to car pool with, assuming this would work out better than taking a bus. I will be participating in OSCON from august 1-5, so need to go there on July 31 and come back on July 6. Besides email, you can phone me at +1.250.656.4269. Thank you. -- Darren Duncan From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri Jul 22 01:43:03 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:43:03 -0700 Subject: [VPM] RFC - my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005 Message-ID: All, I have completed the first draft of my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005, which introduces 'Rosetta'. I request your assistence to help me make this talk the best it can be. You should send all replies to me by private email, so not to clutter the list. Unless you want to, since victoria.pm is just our small local list anyway. The draft is posted here, in plain text format: http://darrenduncan.net/OSCON/OSCON2005LightningTalk.txt As I get feedback, I will revise that copy of the document, so when you see it that may not be how it started. There are 3 main sections, the title, the brief summary, and the talk itself; the last part only is what will actually be spoken aloud, and I have no props. First of all, this current version takes me about 8 minutes to read aloud, and so should be cut to about half of its length, to aim for 4 minutes. I would like to know about what sections of the talk itself are the least useful and should be dropped. Also, which ones have good content but should be reworded for easier speaking and/or brevity. Also, if I've made any factual errors regarding stuff besides my own modules, I'd like to fix that. Focus on the middle sections for the main editing work, which tend to ramble. I spent the most clear-headed time on the first handful of paragraphs plus the last 4 short lines, so I think they can stay as is. Separately, if there are any suggestions for changing the title and/or summary paragraph that gets sent as the talk submission, I welcome them. I need to submit the title + summary on July 22nd Friday (tomorrow), which is to qualify the talk; the speech text can be edited up to OSCON itself, though I prefer to get the bulk of it done asap. Thank you all in advance. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Fri Jul 22 09:50:59 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:50:59 -0700 Subject: [VPM] RFC - my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722095005.02adb2c8@mail.webquarry.com> At 01:43 AM 7/22/2005, Darren Duncan wrote: >All, > >I have completed the first draft of my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005, >which introduces 'Rosetta'. > >I request your assistence to help me make this talk the best it can be. The tone is good; I suggest it needs about 3 or 4 visuals. They can simply recapitulate what you are saying in order to give people something to latch onto visually. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri Jul 22 12:19:39 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:19:39 -0700 Subject: [VPM] RFC - my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722095005.02adb2c8@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722095005.02adb2c8@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 9:50 AM -0700 7/22/05, Peter Scott wrote: >At 01:43 AM 7/22/2005, Darren Duncan wrote: >>All, >> >>I have completed the first draft of my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005, >>which introduces 'Rosetta'. >> >>I request your assistence to help me make this talk the best it can be. > >The tone is good; I suggest it needs about 3 or 4 visuals. They can >simply recapitulate what you are saying in order to give people >something to latch onto visually. Peter, thanks for the suggestion. A few people have asked about visuals over the weeks, but I had thought they would be too much trouble to procure and use. However, I'll see if I can come up with some over the next week. This could also let me give some information without speaking it. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Fri Jul 22 12:35:17 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:35:17 -0700 Subject: [VPM] August meeting Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722123415.02b10478@mail.webquarry.com> The August meeting would be on the 16th. I am tending towards cancelling it; certainly Darren and I could present upon things we'd seen at OSCON. Opinions? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri Jul 22 14:03:18 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:03:18 -0700 Subject: [VPM] August meeting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722123415.02b10478@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722123415.02b10478@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 12:35 PM -0700 7/22/05, Peter Scott wrote: >The August meeting would be on the 16th. I am tending towards >cancelling it; certainly Darren and I could present upon things we'd >seen at OSCON. Opinions? I think there can be a lot to talk about concerning OSCON. Moreover, each of us would get some memory support from the other. I could also present my actual refined Lightning Talk. Why are you inclined to cancel? -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Fri Jul 22 17:02:39 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:02:39 -0700 Subject: [VPM] August meeting In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722123415.02b10478@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722170217.03140410@mail.webquarry.com> At 02:03 PM 7/22/2005, Darren Duncan wrote: >At 12:35 PM -0700 7/22/05, Peter Scott wrote: > >The August meeting would be on the 16th. I am tending towards > >cancelling it; certainly Darren and I could present upon things we'd > >seen at OSCON. Opinions? > >I think there can be a lot to talk about concerning OSCON. Moreover, >each of us would get some memory support from the other. > >I could also present my actual refined Lightning Talk. > >Why are you inclined to cancel? Wondering about attendance and interest in the topic. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri Jul 22 17:06:43 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:06:43 -0700 Subject: [VPM] RFC - my Lightning Talk for OSCON 2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Following my email from yesterday, I have gotten a second wind and now released the second major draft of my Lightning Talk, at http://darrenduncan.net/OSCON/OSCON2005LightningTalk.txt . Large changes were made so that it reads better is shorter, and is easier to understand, while still saying everything important. Many parts were reordered and summarized. This new version clocks in at a few seconds over 5 minutes on my last reading, so I'll want to shave it some more, but the hard work is done. I still would appreciate any feedback should you find any parts of the talk confusing or incorrect. Likewise, any further edit suggestions for length. Likewise, anything I should say but didn't, or didn't but should. I can take suggestions any time through the next week, though earlier is better. Also, despite my previous statement, I may try to have some visuals after all, rather than this being all spoken. Thank you. -- Darren Duncan From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri Jul 22 17:10:03 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:10:03 -0700 Subject: [VPM] August meeting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722170217.03140410@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050722123415.02b10478@mail.webquarry.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050722170217.03140410@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 5:02 PM -0700 7/22/05, Peter Scott wrote: >At 02:03 PM 7/22/2005, Darren Duncan wrote: > >At 12:35 PM -0700 7/22/05, Peter Scott wrote: > >I could also present my actual refined Lightning Talk. >> > >Why are you inclined to cancel? > >Wondering about attendance and interest in the topic. Well, I'm fine with whatever you want to do. We could supplement a later meeting with OSCON stuff if we want. For August, the decision will be easier if 1-2 other people explicitly say they will be coming to it. -- Darren Duncan