From talexb at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 09:06:59 2020 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:06:59 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Virtual meetings for March, anyway Message-ID: Hi All, Well, it's in the news -- coronavirus is in the air (along with Spring), so as the organizer of our little group, I'm planning on continuing doing virtual meetings for our little group as we did in February. This will cover our March meeting, and perhaps April as well. If you're having problems with audio on your end, now would be a good time to get that sorted out in advance of our next get together. My employer has told us all to Work From Home for the foreseeable future -- which at this point sounds like the next 2-3 weeks anyway. I'd be interested in hearing from other folks on this list about whether they're doing the same thing .. or not. I'll follow up with March speakers in a bit. Thanks all! Alex -- Alex Beamish Software Developer / https://ca.linkedin.com/in/alex-beamish-5111ba3 Speaker Wrangler / Toronto Perlmongers / http://to.pm.org/ Baritone, Operations Manager / Toronto Northern Lights, 2013 Champions / www.northernlightschorus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bbmielke at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:27:55 2020 From: bbmielke at gmail.com (Brian Mielke) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:27:55 -0700 Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Perl and putative DLL Hell] In-Reply-To: References: <160ab4e702ea0a7ab2e45abbf7576db4.squirrel@webmail.vybenetworks.com> Message-ID: I fully agree with what Stuart said. Until a few years ago I didn't realize anyone used system perl for production worthy code. My last two jobs have used it though, and I have since found out it's pretty common. I'd avoid it like the plague so you can control what's in your perl without affecting your system and vice versa. Perlbrew simplifies some of this. If you're relying on system perl you'll be hindered if you want to use newer perl versions and features. There are a lot of good things post 5.20, but centos is still running a really old copy of perl afiak. If you're having issues upgrading your OS because your use of system perl, now seems like the perfect time to decouple and build your own perl version, use that, and stop using system perl. I know this may not be realistic depending on how big of a code base / monolith you're looking at, but it may be best to pull off the bandaid and slug through this work. - Brian On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:21 PM Stuart Watt wrote: > TL;DR: don't use a system perl if you can possibly help it. > > My suggestion is: it is never a good idea to use a "system" perl for your > application. The distribution is highly likely to patch it in odd or > unusual ways, and at times you don't want them to. This strategy grew out > of having to deploy on CentOS, but other distributions have the same > challenge, they just aren't quite as terrible. I had misery with a > CentOS-hacked variant of some DBD driver, for example, causing real angst, > which was completely at odds with CPAN, and both arrived and left with OS > updates. > > I've tended to use perlbrew to get a specific version, and point my > application/scripts to that, even in production. That has the additional > advantage it can belong to a non-root user which makes maintenance very > much safer. This strategy doesn't play as nicely with, e.g., mod_perl, > but anything that's FastCGI-based works fine. And mod_perl is a can of > worms anyway. Regular scripts also work fine, especially if you are > careful with using, e.g., Probe::Perl to find the *current* binary and had > that on if you are running other scripts so that the shebang doesn't get > you. Or point the shebang to your own perl to get it disconnected from the > system perl, or (better) use /usr/bin/env to find the perl in the shebang. > > All the best > Stuart > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 3:15 PM wrote: > >> >> I can'thelp with this, being seriously out of contact for another month. >> Can anyone offer help/advice/suggestions? >> >> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >> Subject: Perl and putative DLL Hell >> From: "Dave Collier-Brown" >> Date: Thu, February 6, 2020 10:05 am >> To: "Alan Rocker" >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> We have an "interesting" problem with perl on Centos 7 and 8. One of my >> colleagues, Jourdain Casale wrote: >> >> Okay well if 7 is easier we are doing it first and Perl / CPAN / Linux >> dependencies are really bad migrating to 8 >> 6 is ancient a lot of CPAN won???t build in 8 >> Modules work great but only on the Linux they were built for >> A lot of refactoring and risk in 8 vs 7 >> >> Jourdain Casale 9:47 AM >> It???s dependency hell >> Like the Linux Perl equivalents of DLL Hell in windows >> >> We're running Centos 6, and I'd like us to go forward to 8 (8.1, actually) >> but the teams who tried out updating the perl found it really hard on 8, >> and hard enough on 7 that they put it off again and again. >> >> If it's really as hard as they thought, I figure you've heard the >> community talking a lot about it. I do see some blathering via a google >> search, but nothing as severe as was being reported to Jourdain. >> >> Can you help? >> >> --dave >> _______________________________________________ >> toronto-pm mailing list >> toronto-pm at pm.org >> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm >> > > > -- > > Stuart Watt > > Chief Technology Officer > > t: +1 416-522-8287 | e: stuart.watt at turalt.com | w: turalt.com > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkeenan at pobox.com Sat Mar 14 15:11:31 2020 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 18:11:31 -0400 Subject: [tpm] RIP Jeff Goff Message-ID: <764ca8ac-3b3c-65e0-fd5c-8439beadda11@pobox.com> Long-time Perl 5 & 6 contributor Jeff Goff, known on IRC as Dr Forr and known to many of us from his talks at YAPC::NA, YAPC::EU and TPC, has passed away, apparently in a scuba-diving accident. The following has been posted by Wendy: https://gist.github.com/lizmat/13beb97e0e3a1bb24c893453c9c25d03 jimk From uri at stemsystems.com Sat Mar 14 15:23:40 2020 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 18:23:40 -0400 Subject: [tpm] RIP Jeff Goff In-Reply-To: <764ca8ac-3b3c-65e0-fd5c-8439beadda11@pobox.com> References: <764ca8ac-3b3c-65e0-fd5c-8439beadda11@pobox.com> Message-ID: <05e7a49d-6606-3fe4-2fbc-c01589588dcc@stemsystems.com> On 3/14/20 6:11 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > Long-time Perl 5 & 6 contributor Jeff Goff, known on IRC as Dr Forr > and known to many of us from his talks at YAPC::NA, YAPC::EU and TPC, > has passed away, apparently in a scuba-diving accident. > > The following has been posted by Wendy: > > https://gist.github.com/lizmat/13beb97e0e3a1bb24c893453c9c25d03 oh my!!! uri From steve at radiofreepeterborough.ca Sat Mar 14 18:16:05 2020 From: steve at radiofreepeterborough.ca (Steve McNabb) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 21:16:05 -0400 Subject: [tpm] RIP Jeff Goff In-Reply-To: <764ca8ac-3b3c-65e0-fd5c-8439beadda11@pobox.com> References: <764ca8ac-3b3c-65e0-fd5c-8439beadda11@pobox.com> Message-ID: I am super sad to read of this news. Jeff was super kind, funny, and always ready with a terrible joke.? We spent a lot of time together at YAPCs over the years and I was always struck by his wry quiet sense of humour and his understated brilliance.? RIP Jeff.? On 2020-03-14 6:11 p.m., James E Keenan wrote: > Long-time Perl 5 & 6 contributor Jeff Goff, known on IRC as Dr Forr > and known to many of us from his talks at YAPC::NA, YAPC::EU and TPC, > has passed away, apparently in a scuba-diving accident. > > The following has been posted by Wendy: > > https://gist.github.com/lizmat/13beb97e0e3a1bb24c893453c9c25d03 > > jimk > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > From arocker at Vex.Net Mon Mar 23 18:11:32 2020 From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 21:11:32 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Thursday Message-ID: <881c7a2796d6653049d267c15829326e.squirrel@webmail.vybenetworks.com> Are we going to try some sort of virtual assembly? From talexb at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:57:37 2020 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 21:57:37 -0400 Subject: [tpm] This week's meeting Message-ID: Hi All, I have been a little derelict in organizing this month's meeting, scheduled for three day's time. As you can imagine, current events have weighing heavily on my mind. I'm happy to do round two of the virtual hosting, but I need to check with my speakers to see if they can take part. I'll be back to you within 24 hours. Thanks, and stay home! Alex -- Alex Beamish Software Developer / https://ca.linkedin.com/in/alex-beamish-5111ba3 Speaker Wrangler / Toronto Perlmongers / http://to.pm.org/ Baritone, Operations Manager / Toronto Northern Lights, 2013 Champions / www.northernlightschorus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Perl Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:34 PM Subject: Update on TPCiH 2020 and COVID-19 To: Alex View this email in your browser *In this issue:* - *TPCiH 2020 is Canceled * - *Save the Dates for 2021 * - *Stay Tuned* - *TPC::EU 2020* - *Contact us* *TPCiH 2020 is Canceled * *The organizers of the The Perl and Raku Conference in Houston and board members of The Perl Foundation have been closely monitoring the developments around COVID-19. We have agreed that, at this time, it is in the best interest of the community to postpone The Perl and Raku Conference in Houston, scheduled for June 24-26, 2020, and the surrounding Tutorial/Master Classes on June 23rd and 27th. This decision was not made lightly.* *Thank you so much to those who submitted talks for the 2020 TPCiH event and those who have already purchased tickets to attend the event. Organizers will be issuing refunds beginning early next week. 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