From abuzar at abuzar.com Fri Feb 16 21:02:07 2018 From: abuzar at abuzar.com (Abuzar) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:02:07 -0500 Subject: [tpm] New Parrot release!! .... one year since last update :-) In-Reply-To: <20170217180609.Horde.ve7PhXHUiEc39hMxpbaXPNU@echo.gendns.com> References: <20170217180609.Horde.ve7PhXHUiEc39hMxpbaXPNU@echo.gendns.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:06 PM, wrote: > > Quoting Abuzar : > > Last update was Feb 16, 2016, one year ago. >> Side ticker says they're still meeting every week. >> >> Here's the release announcement: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE >> > > MoarVM is what the kids use these days: http://moarvm.com/ > > Next release coming up in less than 24 hours ;) > > Yes, I know, and it's quite sad. I feel that between Rakudo, Moarvm, and Parrot, priority should've gone to parrot. I see solving the social and decision-making problems during the course of parrot's development as an integral part of developing Perl. It's as much about developing culture as it is about developing language, technology, and platform (from what I'm understanding, social and decision-making challenges were contributing factors towards dysfunctional development). The particular way in which Moarvm took over from Parrot, from the articles that I read online, it left a bad impression in me. It didn't sound nice, it made me feel uncomfortable and lose trust in the development team. Having many languages use the same free/open/collaborative virtual machine and inter-operate with each other and/or libraries written on different platforms is a very important goal that shouldn't have been abandoned (reading some part of the moarvm docs, I understand that it was intentionally abandoned). I feel like what folks were trying to accomplish with parrot is the natural direction that the mindset of programming in Perl takes. Not having that, feels like something crucial is missing from the perl experience, and specifically the Perl 6 development era in Perl's journey. This whole JS thing has filled some of that gap, and the way it's being done is very corporate and puke-worthy. This is the task that should've been done with Perl, and specifically Parrot. If it had played out that way, I think we'd be seeing a different landscape in tech. I feel that if a compromise had to be made between resourcing Perl 6 or the Parrot project, then it should've been Parrot, because the world needs Parrot a lot more than it needs Perl 6. Abuzar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zoffix at zoffix.com Sat Feb 17 06:06:51 2018 From: zoffix at zoffix.com (zoffix at zoffix.com) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:06:51 -0500 Subject: [tpm] New Parrot release!! .... one year since last update :-) In-Reply-To: References: <20170217180609.Horde.ve7PhXHUiEc39hMxpbaXPNU@echo.gendns.com> Message-ID: <20180217090651.Horde.z-3jynIt4E8ko2PmbF7nLWC@echo.gendns.com> Quoting Abuzar : > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:06 PM, wrote: > >> >> Quoting Abuzar : >> >> Last update was Feb 16, 2016, one year ago. >>> Side ticker says they're still meeting every week. >>> >>> Here's the release announcement: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE >>> >> >> MoarVM is what the kids use these days: http://moarvm.com/ >> >> Next release coming up in less than 24 hours ;) >> >> > Yes, I know, and it's quite sad. I feel that between Rakudo, Moarvm, and > Parrot, priority should've gone to parrot. I know little about that era in Perl 6's history, but looking at the Wiki for Parrot, it was in development since at least 2005 and was taking its last breaths mid 2015. In 10 years, it failed to deliver anything usable. MoarVM on the other hand, was started in 2012 and by 2015?in just 3 years? allowed the first stable release of Perl 6. People love to say that Perl 6's long development time killed Perl, but looking at these dates, it seems like the delay was because people were trying to create a Rosetta Stone of Virtual Machines. > The particular way in which Moarvm took over from Parrot, from the articles > that I read online, it left a bad impression in me. It didn't sound nice, > it made me feel uncomfortable and lose trust in the development team. Considering Mr. Chromatic still trolls core devs to this day, I imagine what you say is true. > Having many languages use the same free/open/collaborative virtual machine > and inter-operate with each other and/or libraries written on different > platforms is a very important goal that shouldn't have been abandoned > (reading some part of the moarvm docs, I understand that it was > intentionally abandoned). I didn't realize that was Parrot's actual goal. Yes, it was intentionally abandoned in MoarVM, based on some slides I saw, which IMO is a good idea. Older parts of Rakudo's code are horribly over-engineered and perhaps Parrot's apparent ideal of trying to be everything to everyone infected Rakudo and Perl 6. All of a sudden, the existence of this meme makes sense to me: https://hbfs.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/perl6book-parody.jpg?w=600&h=1000 > I feel like what folks were trying to accomplish > with parrot is the natural direction that the mindset of programming in > Perl takes. Not having that, feels like something crucial is missing from > the perl experience, and specifically the Perl 6 development era in Perl's > journey. > > This whole JS thing has filled some of that gap, and the way it's being > done is very corporate and puke-worthy. This is the task that should've > been done with Perl, and specifically Parrot. If it had played out that > way, I think we'd be seeing a different landscape in tech. > > I feel that if a compromise had to be made between resourcing Perl 6 or the > Parrot project, then it should've been Parrot, because the world needs > Parrot a lot more than it needs Perl 6. If it was so much more badly needed, why has its development stalled? By far the most contributions to Perl 6 are done by volunteers, for free, with full freedom to make a choice what to contribute to. It doesn't look like there were any resourcing compromises made. MoarVM just solved the problems Parrot had and came out ahead because it was better suited for the task at hand. Survival of the Fittest. From arocker at Vex.Net Sat Feb 17 07:10:31 2018 From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:10:31 -0500 Subject: [tpm] New Parrot release!! .... one year since last update :-) In-Reply-To: <20180217090651.Horde.z-3jynIt4E8ko2PmbF7nLWC@echo.gendns.com> References: <20170217180609.Horde.ve7PhXHUiEc39hMxpbaXPNU@echo.gendns.com> <20180217090651.Horde.z-3jynIt4E8ko2PmbF7nLWC@echo.gendns.com> Message-ID: <3b7d47844d409db6fb297851a0ccc891.squirrel@webmail.vybenetworks.com> Trying to deliver a first iteration of a product with all the features suggested for the final version is too ambitious. No matter what the field, ATTAM ("All Things To All Men") products tend to be mediocre at best. Compromises for unimportant aspects degrade essential performance areas. Producing an MVP which can evolve seems to work more often, though in that case it's ssential to keep the feedback loops short, so that "need queues" don't become an obstacle to progress. I suspect that developing several levels of a stack from scratch simultaneously is an unusually difficult task. Once it's developed, provided the APIs are well designed, evolving from a working state to a better one is probably much easier. Herbert Simon's "Sciences of the Artificial" is an interesting read about these problems. From jkeenan at pobox.com Sat Feb 17 07:49:11 2018 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:49:11 -0500 Subject: [tpm] New Parrot release!! .... one year since last update :-) In-Reply-To: <20180217090651.Horde.z-3jynIt4E8ko2PmbF7nLWC@echo.gendns.com> References: <20170217180609.Horde.ve7PhXHUiEc39hMxpbaXPNU@echo.gendns.com> <20180217090651.Horde.z-3jynIt4E8ko2PmbF7nLWC@echo.gendns.com> Message-ID: <87710559-3468-3521-2dad-ab1d78c331bb@pobox.com> I was active in the Parrot project from late 2006 until the middle of 2012. I've also visited Toronto and attended Toronto.pm meetings often since 2001. So permit me to add my two cents here. On 02/17/2018 09:06 AM, zoffix at zoffix.com wrote: > > Quoting Abuzar : > >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:06 PM, wrote: >> >>> >>> Quoting Abuzar : >>> >>> Last update was Feb 16, 2016, one year ago. >>>> Side ticker says they're still meeting every week. >>>> >>>> Here's the release announcement: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE >>>> >>> >>> MoarVM is what the kids use these days: http://moarvm.com/ >>> >>> Next release coming up in less than 24 hours ;) >>> >>> >> Yes, I know, and it's quite sad.? I feel that between Rakudo, Moarvm, and >> Parrot, priority should've gone to parrot. > > I know little about that era in Perl 6's history, but looking at the Wiki > for Parrot, it was in development since at least 2005 and was taking its > last breaths mid 2015. In 10 years, it failed to deliver anything usable. > Parrot actually originated as the Perl community's April Fools Day joke in 2001: a fake announcement about a convergence of Perl 6 and Python. Then people said, "Hmm, maybe that shouldn't be a joke." So at some point thereafter, the Parrot project was born with the intention to (a) provide both a virtual machine to underlie Perl 6 -- though not necessarily *the* virtual machine to underlie Perl 6; (b) a VM to underlie other dynamic programming languages as well, thereby allowing inter-operability of libraries written in those high-level languages; and (c) a VM that performed better than the JVM did in those days and was fully open-source. By the time I joined the Parrot project (at a hackathon organized by Andy Lester outside Chicago in November 2006) it was already 5-1/2 years old -- much older than the mean lifetime of open source projects. It had already gone through different phases of development and, unfortunately, burnout of key personnel. But it was still in very active development. Indeed, it was probably being more actively developed in those years than Perl 6. Though I liked the sound of "one virtual machine to rule them all", that was of no immediate benefit to me, as I didn't program in Python, Ruby, Tcl or Lua (to name some of the other dynamic languages that received some attention within the Parrot project). My own motivation for participation in the project was: "Helping to develop Parrot is how I'm contributing to Perl 6." I believe that that was also the motivation of more than 90% of Parrot contributors at that time. For example, Patrick Michaud was a major contributor to Parrot at that time, while also serving as Perl 6 pumpking. > MoarVM on the other hand, was started in 2012 and by 2015?in just 3 > years? allowed the first stable release of Perl 6. People love to say > that Perl 6's long development time killed Perl, but looking at these > dates, > it seems like the delay was because people were trying to create a > Rosetta Stone of Virtual Machines. > That wasn't the only reason for the delay, but, yes "Rosetta Stone" is not entirely inaccurate when it comes to describing our aims. Indeed, the Parrot Foundation was set up in 2008 to make clear that Parrot had aims other than being Perl 6's VM. However, at any given point in time it was usually the case that the number of developers working on supporting any language other than Perl 6 was zero or one. The JVM improved. Hence, the absolute need for the Parrot VM, never great, was diminishing. At YAPC::NA::2009 I became aware that there were severe conflicts among Parrot's lead developers over the direction of the project. Some of those developers distanced themselves from the project. Others, such as Patrick Michaud, Jonathan Worthington and Will Coleda, refocused their energies on Perl 6 per se and played major roles in getting Perl 6 "out the door" years later. The people who remained active in Parrot were not capable of sustaining the project either intellectually or administratively -- I'm included in that bunch -- and real development ceased in 2012. >> The particular way in which Moarvm took over from Parrot, from the >> articles >> that I read online, it left a bad impression in me.? It didn't sound >> nice, >> it made me feel uncomfortable and lose trust in the development team. > > Considering Mr. Chromatic still trolls core devs to this day, I imagine > what > you say is true. > chromatic had fully distanced himself from Parrot and Perl 6 by 2012, which was a year before the announcement of the MoarVM. I attended the talk at YAPC::NA::2013 in Austin where the MoarVM was announced. And, yes, the fact it had been developed in a non-public manner with the intent to be *the* VM for Perl 6 was, at first, shocking. But since Parrot's development was effectively over by that point, there was no use getting angry about that. >> Having many languages use the same free/open/collaborative virtual >> machine >> and inter-operate with each other and/or libraries written on different >> platforms is a very important goal that shouldn't have been abandoned >> (reading some part of the moarvm docs, I understand that it was >> intentionally abandoned). > As I've indicated above, there ultimately was no market demand for such an open-source, multi-language VM. > I didn't realize that was Parrot's actual goal. Yes, it was intentionally > abandoned in MoarVM, based on some slides I saw, which IMO is a good idea. > Older parts of Rakudo's code are horribly over-engineered and perhaps > Parrot's apparent ideal of trying to be everything to everyone infected > Rakudo and Perl 6. All of a sudden, the existence of this meme makes > sense to me: > https://hbfs.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/perl6book-parody.jpg?w=600&h=1000 > >> I feel like what folks were trying to accomplish >> with parrot is the natural direction that the mindset of programming in >> Perl takes.? Not having that, feels like something crucial is missing >> from >> the perl experience, and specifically the Perl 6 development era in >> Perl's >> journey. >> >> This whole JS thing has filled some of that gap, and the way it's being >> done is very corporate and puke-worthy.? This is the task that should've >> been done with Perl, and specifically Parrot.? If it had played out that >> way, I think we'd be seeing a different landscape in tech. >> >> I feel that if a compromise had to be made between resourcing Perl 6 >> or the >> Parrot project, then it should've been Parrot, because the world needs >> Parrot a lot more than it needs Perl 6. > > If it was so much more badly needed, why has its development stalled? By > far > the most contributions to Perl 6 are done by volunteers, for free, with > full > freedom to make a choice what to contribute to. It doesn't look like there > were any resourcing compromises made. MoarVM just solved the problems > Parrot > had and came out ahead because it was better suited for the task at hand. > > Survival of the Fittest. But now, of course, it is Perl 6 which faces the challenge of "Survival of the Fittest". True, it is more usable than Parrot ever was. But is it usable *enough* to find a role in information technology going forward? That is the question. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From talexb at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 08:04:59 2018 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:04:59 -0500 Subject: [tpm] February meeting is this Thursday Message-ID: Greetings fellow Perlmongers, We'll be meeting this Thursday evening (just two days away) to hear Yanick Champoux talk about Taskwarrior. So far, I see seven folks signed up for the meeting at meetup.com, including myself and our presenter, who will be joining us electronically. Unfortunately, the flu has temporarily laid low our second presenter, so once we've had Q&A for Yanick, we'll find another topic to discuss, and then perhaps adjourn (no motion required) to our nearby pub (The Elephant and Castle). 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So far, I see seven folks signed > up for the meeting at meetup.com , including myself > and our presenter, who will be joining us electronically. > > Unfortunately, the flu has temporarily laid low our second presenter, so > once we've had Q&A for Yanick, we'll find another topic to discuss, and > then perhaps adjourn (no motion required) to our nearby pub (The > Elephant and Castle). Ooooh.... That means I have more freedom with the presentation's time. Nice. Well, sad that the second speaker is under the weather, but you know what I mean. :-) ... also means I should begin to work on them slides, heh? ^.^ Joy, `/anick From yanick at babyl.ca Thu Feb 22 15:50:54 2018 From: yanick at babyl.ca (Yanick Champoux) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:50:54 -0500 Subject: [tpm] February meeting is this Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e602aad-3e04-1df0-9336-1ee2a9ced4be@babyl.ca> Errr. do we have a hangout link? :-) `/. From talexb at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 15:52:15 2018 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:52:15 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Elevators at tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Two things, 1. The elevators may still be locked down, but Alice has spoken to security. If you can't get to the sixth floor, press the call button and security should let you up. 2. The Tek laptop is having issues so the broadcast may be delayed starting. Thanks in advance for your patience. Alex Crazed Speaker Wrangler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm on standby. :-) `/. From talexb at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 16:14:24 2018 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:14:24 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Fwd: link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, The microphone I brought along for this meeting isn't recognized by the old laptop we have, so we are stuck with the internal microphone again this month. This is the link to the talk. Screen sharing shortly. Alex ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Toronto PerlMongers" Date: Feb 22, 2018 19:12 Subject: link To: "Alex Beamish" Cc: http://youtu.be/oppEK7TueIM > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 16:22:12 2018 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:22:12 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Fwd: link 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Once again, technical issues. 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Thanks to Yanick and Michael for their presentations. Cheers, -- Alex Beamish Software Developer / https://ca.linkedin.com/in/alex-beamish-5111ba3 Speaker Wrangler, Toronto Perlmongers / http://to.pm.org/ Baritone, Board Member, Toronto Northern Lights, 2013 Champions / www.northernlightschorus.com Certified Contest Administrator, Barbershop Harmony Society / www.barbershop.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yanick at babyl.ca Fri Feb 23 08:38:10 2018 From: yanick at babyl.ca (Yanick Champoux) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:38:10 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Editted video is now up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! Slides are at https://github.com/yanick/talks Thanks again for having me! Joy, `/anick From ssoriche at sackheads.org Fri Feb 23 08:42:17 2018 From: ssoriche at sackheads.org (Shawn Sorichetti) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:42:17 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Editted video is now up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F145233-885F-4C6E-B835-608F4300987E@sackheads.org> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Yanick Champoux wrote: > > Slides are at https://github.com/yanick/talks > Thanks Yanick, I noticed missing from the slides is the interaction you did with Neovim. Very interested in this myself, can you link to the CPAN module you discussed in the talk? Thanks again. ~Shawn From yanick at babyl.ca Fri Feb 23 09:21:55 2018 From: yanick at babyl.ca (Yanick Champoux) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:21:55 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Editted video is now up In-Reply-To: <1F145233-885F-4C6E-B835-608F4300987E@sackheads.org> References: <1F145233-885F-4C6E-B835-608F4300987E@sackheads.org> Message-ID: On 2018-02-23 11:42 AM, Shawn Sorichetti wrote: > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Yanick Champoux wrote: >> >> Slides are at https://github.com/yanick/talks >> > > Thanks Yanick, > > I noticed missing from the slides is the interaction you did with Neovim. Very interested in this myself, can you link to the CPAN module you discussed in the talk? http://techblog.babyl.ca/entry/tasknvimrrior will answer your wishes. Bear in mind that this is yenzie-ware built on top of yenzie-ware. What I'm saying is Caveat Emptor, man, Caveat Maxima Emptor. But you find bugs or have questions, let me know and I'll do my best to make it better. :-) Joy, `/anick