From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 08:58:40 2017
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 11:58:40 -0500
Subject: [tpm] [GTALUG-Announce] Meeting on 14 March at 7:30pm
References: <20170306154551.24332E2DF@penguin.gtalug.org>
Message-ID: <8069D0F1-FFA7-4AA2-97BD-04F5537E0E76@gmail.com>

For this interested, GTALUG are having their lightening talks next week. Hope to see you there. 

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> From: hi at gtalug.org
> Date: March 6, 2017 at 10:45:51 AM EST
> To: announce at gtalug.org
> Subject: [GTALUG-Announce] Meeting on 14 March at 7:30pm
> Reply-To: talk at gtalug.org
> 
> <http://gtalug.org/meeting/2017-03/>
> 
> # Let's Encrypt and Lighting Talks
> 
> To start off the meeting we have a ten minute talk about Let's Encrypt with Myles Braithwaite.
> 
> After Myles' talk there will be a bunch of audience organised short talks. If you would like to give a talk, all you have to do is write your name on a post-it and stick it on the whiteboard in the front of the room. When your talk get's picked you will have five minutes of uninterrupted time for you to present, then five minutes of audience questions/concerns.
> 
> ## Location
> 
> George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre
> 245 Church Street, Room 203
> Ryerson University
> 
> <http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2>
> 
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525>
> 
> ## Schedule
> 
> * 6:00 pm - Please discuss on the general mailing list (i.e. <talk at gtalug.org>) where you want to go for dinner.
> * 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation.
> * 9:00 pm - After each meeting, a group of GTALUGers move to The Imperial Pub (54 Dundas St East) for refreshments and more socialising.
> 
> # Code of Conduct
> 
> We want a productive happy community that can welcome new ideas, improve every process every year, and foster collaboration between individuals with differing needs, interests and skills.
> 
> We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge prejudice that could jeopardise the participation of any person in the community.
> 
> The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private whenever the Linux community will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be honoured by everyone who represents the community officially or informally, claims affiliation or participates directly. It applies to activities online or offline.
> 
> We invite anybody to participate. Our community is open.
> 
> Please read more about the GTALUG Code of Conduct here: <http://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/>.
> 
> If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the GTALUG Code of Conduct please contact the GTALUG Board @ <board at gtalug.org>.
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From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 07:16:26 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 10:16:26 -0500
Subject: [tpm] This month: LWP hack night
Message-ID: <88AF0F63-EB87-4364-87F8-2CC621837CE9@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I've created the next meetup: https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-Perl-Mongers/events/238292428/

As a follow-up to a blog post from last year (http://www.olafalders.com/2016/09/26/make-libwww-perl-great-again/) I'm putting together a hack night where we can get together and show some love to LWP::UserAgent, WWW::Mechanize, URI, etc.  I now have co-maint on all of these modules, so I'm able to release new versions to CPAN.  What I'd like for us to do is to chip away at them a little bit during the meeting and do something nice for CPAN.

Let me know if you have questions.  Pair programming will be encouraged, so it's ok if not everyone has their own laptop.

Olaf

From arocker at Vex.Net  Sun Mar 12 13:01:53 2017
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:01:53 -0400
Subject: [tpm] This month: LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <88AF0F63-EB87-4364-87F8-2CC621837CE9@gmail.com>
References: <88AF0F63-EB87-4364-87F8-2CC621837CE9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f25a21b78eca966c2d427eb3801b9c6.squirrel@mail.vybenetworks.com>


> to LWP::UserAgent, WWW::Mechanize, URI, etc.  I now have co-maint on all
> of these modules,

I've just had a look at the 3 you mentioned. 2 have tickets in
rt.cpan.org, while the other appears to have only github items. If that's
not important, I can wait for an explanation. :-)*

It strikes me that the first necessary step with such overwhelming lists
is a spot of triage, possibly along axes of importance and ease of
implementation? Maybe even also a third dimension of age? E.g. I can't see
a lot of point investigating a failure on Windows XP. If a ticket is very
old, does it mean it really needs to be fixed, or nobody's cared for so
long that it can be ignored, (and preferably, deleted)?

How can we get the swamp(s) down to manageable dimensions?

From jkeen at verizon.net  Sun Mar 12 13:29:33 2017
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:29:33 -0400
Subject: [tpm] This month: LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <7f25a21b78eca966c2d427eb3801b9c6.squirrel@mail.vybenetworks.com>
References: <88AF0F63-EB87-4364-87F8-2CC621837CE9@gmail.com>
	<7f25a21b78eca966c2d427eb3801b9c6.squirrel@mail.vybenetworks.com>
Message-ID: <82d9db06-5061-3066-7107-172a808253a2@verizon.net>

On 03/12/2017 04:01 PM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:
>
>> to LWP::UserAgent, WWW::Mechanize, URI, etc.  I now have co-maint on all
>> of these modules,
>
> I've just had a look at the 3 you mentioned. 2 have tickets in
> rt.cpan.org, while the other appears to have only github items. If that's
> not important, I can wait for an explanation. :-)*
>
> It strikes me that the first necessary step with such overwhelming lists
> is a spot of triage, possibly along axes of importance and ease of
> implementation? Maybe even also a third dimension of age? E.g. I can't see
> a lot of point investigating a failure on Windows XP. If a ticket is very
> old, does it mean it really needs to be fixed, or nobody's cared for so
> long that it can be ignored, (and preferably, deleted)?
>

What I've done in this situation is to make a post in the rt.cpan.org 
queue or in the github.com issue/pull request to the effect of "Do we 
still maintain this module for this outdated operating system?  If not, 
then is this ticket closable?"

That at least focuses the maintainer's attention and serves as a 
starting point for further discussion.

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan

From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 09:55:31 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:55:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] This month: LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <7f25a21b78eca966c2d427eb3801b9c6.squirrel@mail.vybenetworks.com>
References: <88AF0F63-EB87-4364-87F8-2CC621837CE9@gmail.com>
	<7f25a21b78eca966c2d427eb3801b9c6.squirrel@mail.vybenetworks.com>
Message-ID: <4773B4F0-935B-4C42-8F86-0FFD1F52C86A@gmail.com>


> On Mar 12, 2017, at 4:01 PM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:
> 
> 
>> to LWP::UserAgent, WWW::Mechanize, URI, etc.  I now have co-maint on all
>> of these modules,
> 
> I've just had a look at the 3 you mentioned. 2 have tickets in
> rt.cpan.org, while the other appears to have only github items. If that's
> not important, I can wait for an explanation. :-)*

That's just because internally we haven't committed to moving everything over to Github yet.  It's a bit confusing.  I'd like to see everything on Github.  Maybe I'll make another push and see if we can get that done before our hack night.

> 
> It strikes me that the first necessary step with such overwhelming lists
> is a spot of triage, possibly along axes of importance and ease of
> implementation? Maybe even also a third dimension of age? E.g. I can't see
> a lot of point investigating a failure on Windows XP. If a ticket is very
> old, does it mean it really needs to be fixed, or nobody's cared for so
> long that it can be ignored, (and preferably, deleted)?
> 
> How can we get the swamp(s) down to manageable dimensions?

You raise a good point.  Some kind of plan of attack would be good.  Personally, I've just been looking at low hanging fruit, like stuff that can obviously be closed or that has an easy fix.  Most of these modules are used so widely that adding new dependencies is done with extreme caution.

A lot of the outstanding pull requests are quite old, so they need someone to rebase them against the current master and, in a lot of cases, add appropriate tests.  What happened in the past was that the pull requests were sent but nobody every replied to them (this was before my time).  Now it's too late to get the author to provide a test because s/he has in many cases moved on to something else.

As far as which OS is or is not supported any longer, I'd need to get buy-in from others as to where support could be dropped.

We only have a couple of hours at this month's meeting, so I think we could probably focus on getting rid of more low hanging fruit, like reworking existing pull requests or adding tests etc.  In some cases the bugs may have already been fixed, but the ticket still needs to be closed.  Some are wish list requests which may or may not need to be closed.

Basically, there's a lot of housekeeping that still needs to be done, so even making a bit of progress here would be amazing.

Olaf

From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 13:25:11 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:25:11 -0400
Subject: [tpm] April's meeting is a blockbuster
Message-ID: <ACF0F494-5E22-4EEF-871A-8F72708273A9@gmail.com>

We've got a really special meeting lined up for this April with one guest speaker coming down from Ottawa and another joining us digitally from the UK.  You won't want to miss this one.

https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-Perl-Mongers/events/238387754/

Olaf

From itcharlie at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 06:10:25 2017
From: itcharlie at gmail.com (Charlie Gonzalez)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:10:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Registration for The Perl Conference 2017 is now open!!
Message-ID: <CALiuAmpOboB1OuCwpO-Zw7wH1C_XRWB5foPKDUNJhnusdZBnyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Perl Mongers,


Registration for The Perl Conference 2017 is now open. This year the Perl
Conference will be located in the  US Patent Office and Trademark Office
(USPTO) in Alexandria, VA.

US Patent Office and Trademark Office (USPTO)
600 Dulany St,
Alexandria, VA 22314

The Perl Conference will start from June 18-23, 2017. If you are interested
in registering you can do so via the conference registration page: (
http://www.perlconference.us/tpc-2017-dc/register/  )

Cheers,

Charlie Gonzalez
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From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 19:11:08 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 22:11:08 -0400
Subject: [tpm] LWP Hack Night Prep Sheet
Message-ID: <03E38734-E9E2-48FE-BA65-455A1861F0C6@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

A couple of people asked what they could do to prepare, so I've got some notes here: http://www.olafalders.com/2017/03/28/preparing-for-lwp-hack-night/  You don't need to read this before the meeting, but it has some helpful links that you will need during the meeting.  There's certainly no harm in looking over the issue queues ahead of time.  That would allow us to get productive that much faster on this coming Thursday.

I'm happy to see that All Start Night already has 16 RSVPs.  If you haven't had a chance to RSVP, I encourage you to do so: https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-Perl-Mongers/events/238387754/

Thanks,

Olaf

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Mar 27 19:36:21 2017
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:36:21 -0500
Subject: [tpm] LWP hack night
Message-ID: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>

I'm pondering coming out on Thursday from Chicago for the LWP hack night.  I'm pretty familiar with WWW::Mechanize and could probably help a bit.

Is that 2-hour meeting window the only hacking going on that day?  It's hard for me to justify a 9-hour drive just for that.  Or maybe I could join in remotely?  Jim Keenan mentioned something about remote on the meetup page.

Also, has Canada<->US border gotten any weirder than last time I was out there for YAPC in 2005?

--
Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

From talexb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 20:09:58 2017
From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:09:58 -0400
Subject: [tpm] LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>
References: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <CANgc-axMcnrx1_Tyi222aqT8_x3xYjG40oOQNNqQgPrS=sEFxw@mail.gmail.com>

Andy,

That would be awesome to see you again -- I remember chatting with you
briefly at YAPC 2005.

I think for Americans visiting Canada, crossing the border is probably
pretty straight-forward; Canadians visiting the States may experience some
difficulties -- then again, I attended a convention out of MSP last
weekend, and all went well.

Alex aka talexb

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

> I'm pondering coming out on Thursday from Chicago for the LWP hack night.
> I'm pretty familiar with WWW::Mechanize and could probably help a bit.
>
> Is that 2-hour meeting window the only hacking going on that day?  It's
> hard for me to justify a 9-hour drive just for that.  Or maybe I could join
> in remotely?  Jim Keenan mentioned something about remote on the meetup
> page.
>
> Also, has Canada<->US border gotten any weirder than last time I was out
> there for YAPC in 2005?
>
> --
> Andy Lester => www.petdance.com
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From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 09:56:00 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:56:00 -0400
Subject: [tpm] LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>
References: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <50D36C7F-3BBA-4661-9850-591082082F75@gmail.com>

Hi Andy,


> On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm pondering coming out on Thursday from Chicago for the LWP hack night.  I'm pretty familiar with WWW::Mechanize and could probably help a bit.

It would be great to have your expertise, whether that be in person or virtually.


> 
> Is that 2-hour meeting window the only hacking going on that day?  It's hard for me to justify a 9-hour drive just for that.  Or maybe I could join in remotely?  Jim Keenan mentioned something about remote on the meetup page.

That is the only meeting on the day since it's just our regular PerlMongers meeting.  Having said that, if there's interest, we could look at organizing a 1 day hackathon on a weekend, if you're interested in driving up for that.  That might be a fun project.  We could see about tying that in with having you speak to us (or another group) at the same time.

We'll be in #lwp on irc.perl.org on Thursday, but we can also get a Google Hangout going for voice chat with anyone who wants to attend remotely.  Maybe a combination of the two would be best?

Olaf

From andy at petdance.com  Tue Mar 28 10:30:33 2017
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:30:33 -0500
Subject: [tpm] LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <50D36C7F-3BBA-4661-9850-591082082F75@gmail.com>
References: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>
	<50D36C7F-3BBA-4661-9850-591082082F75@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EE95464-F461-4CCA-9B5A-383A9129D3CD@petdance.com>

> That is the only meeting on the day since it's just our regular PerlMongers meeting.  Having said that, if there's interest, we could look at organizing a 1 day hackathon on a weekend, if you're interested in driving up for that.  That might be a fun project.  We could see about tying that in with having you speak to us (or another group) at the same time.

If it was a day-long thing, I wouldn't even have to think twice.


> We'll be in #lwp on irc.perl.org on Thursday, but we can also get a Google Hangout going for voice chat with anyone who wants to attend remotely.  Maybe a combination of the two would be best?

#lwp on Thursday at 7pm Eastern, 6pm Central it is.

--
Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 11:08:12 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:08:12 -0400
Subject: [tpm] LWP hack night
In-Reply-To: <3EE95464-F461-4CCA-9B5A-383A9129D3CD@petdance.com>
References: <774AD2C2-ECA9-463E-A3BF-3594BF78E7FF@petdance.com>
	<50D36C7F-3BBA-4661-9850-591082082F75@gmail.com>
	<3EE95464-F461-4CCA-9B5A-383A9129D3CD@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <716E6EF2-8CC2-4288-9287-4E6F2BA2B8C6@gmail.com>


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> 
>> That is the only meeting on the day since it's just our regular PerlMongers meeting.  Having said that, if there's interest, we could look at organizing a 1 day hackathon on a weekend, if you're interested in driving up for that.  That might be a fun project.  We could see about tying that in with having you speak to us (or another group) at the same time.
> 
> If it was a day-long thing, I wouldn't even have to think twice.

Great!  Maybe we can put something together for a future date.  Would be fun.

> 
> 
>> We'll be in #lwp on irc.perl.org on Thursday, but we can also get a Google Hangout going for voice chat with anyone who wants to attend remotely.  Maybe a combination of the two would be best?
> 
> #lwp on Thursday at 7pm Eastern, 6pm Central it is.

We're looking forward to it!

Olaf

From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 12:36:25 2017
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:36:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] LWP hack night report
Message-ID: <676D8704-D363-41A6-A827-27F15615E2DE@gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone who participated last night, both locally and remotely.  I feel like we got some good work done.  We got a lot of tickets migrated from RT to GitHub.  Some of that is still ongoing today.  We got some existing issues closed and some existing pull requests merged.  There's also some new code in the form of pull requests to look at.

Based on how things went last night, I wonder if folks would be interested in an evening where we talk about how to contribute to open source projects using GitHub.  There were a few questions around forking, cloning, updating existing pull requests etc.  We could talk a little bit about etiquette and strategies for ensuring you're not wasting your time when submitting work etc.  I figured I'd put that out there to see if there is interest.

I also started watching the video of the Cees's Postgresql talk from last month.  I'm not finished, but I've already learned a lot.  I highly recommend it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_yuWYCY6ik

Olaf