From mike at stok.ca  Tue Jul  5 19:27:24 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:27:24 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July meeting
Message-ID: <69328E62-B17A-4F0B-A394-A9E91C1AD983@stok.ca>

I was hoping for some volunteers to give an overview of YAPC::NA for the July meeting, and possibly have a talk on Parallel::Iterator.

As Damian is in town talking at the beginning of August, what would people think of moving the July meeting a week earlier (i.e. to July 21)  so that the YAPC reviews will be fresher, and the Perl intensity at the beginning of August will be more manageable?

If we do think it's worth moving then I'll have to set the wheels in motion to arrange the room and access; I'll also have to check that a week's change is OK for the  speakers.

Mike

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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 19:48:02 2011
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:48:02 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July meeting
In-Reply-To: <69328E62-B17A-4F0B-A394-A9E91C1AD983@stok.ca>
References: <69328E62-B17A-4F0B-A394-A9E91C1AD983@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <CAGuV3hORRrqadhgk-Oby9pjLrDD8WOcPw9kCxiAVwQCaJ1XXvA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:


> As Damian is in town talking at the beginning of August, what would people
> think of moving the July meeting a week earlier (i.e. to July 21)
>

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From ioncache at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 09:20:16 2011
From: ioncache at gmail.com (Mark Jubenville)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:20:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAGuV3hORRrqadhgk-Oby9pjLrDD8WOcPw9kCxiAVwQCaJ1XXvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69328E62-B17A-4F0B-A394-A9E91C1AD983@stok.ca>
	<CAGuV3hORRrqadhgk-Oby9pjLrDD8WOcPw9kCxiAVwQCaJ1XXvA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm good with moving it to the 21st as well.

 

 

Mark Jubenville

ioncache at gmail.com

 

From: toronto-pm-bounces+ioncache=gmail.com at pm.org
[mailto:toronto-pm-bounces+ioncache=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Fulko Hew
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:48 PM
To: Mike Stok
Cc: Toronto Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: [tpm] July meeting

 

 

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

 

As Damian is in town talking at the beginning of August, what would people
think of moving the July meeting a week earlier (i.e. to July 21)


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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Wed Jul  6 09:27:32 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:27:32 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July meeting
In-Reply-To: <035201cc3bf8$988198a0$c984c9e0$@com>
References: <69328E62-B17A-4F0B-A394-A9E91C1AD983@stok.ca>
	<CAGuV3hORRrqadhgk-Oby9pjLrDD8WOcPw9kCxiAVwQCaJ1XXvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<035201cc3bf8$988198a0$c984c9e0$@com>
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On 2011-07-06, at 12:20 PM, Mark Jubenville wrote:

> I?m good with moving it to the 21st as well.
>  
>  
> Mark Jubenville
> ioncache at gmail.com

I generally agree with whatever Mark says

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From ioncache at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 09:56:13 2011
From: ioncache at gmail.com (Mark Jubenville)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:56:13 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July meeting
In-Reply-To: <A8DC8340-B95F-43A3-8BD8-0267DE2E8CB4@vilerichard.com>
References: <69328E62-B17A-4F0B-A394-A9E91C1AD983@stok.ca>
	<CAGuV3hORRrqadhgk-Oby9pjLrDD8WOcPw9kCxiAVwQCaJ1XXvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<035201cc3bf8$988198a0$c984c9e0$@com>
	<A8DC8340-B95F-43A3-8BD8-0267DE2E8CB4@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <039101cc3bfd$9e10fd60$da32f820$@com>

A sure sign of great wisdom or utter folly.  50/50 chance depending on the
day I think.

Mark Jubenville
ioncache at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Olaf Alders [mailto:olaf at vilerichard.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:28 PM
To: Mark Jubenville
Cc: 'Toronto Perl Mongers'
Subject: Re: [tpm] July meeting

On 2011-07-06, at 12:20 PM, Mark Jubenville wrote:

> I'm good with moving it to the 21st as well.
>  
>  
> Mark Jubenville
> ioncache at gmail.com

I generally agree with whatever Mark says

--
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olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 






From mike at stok.ca  Fri Jul  8 07:24:23 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:24:23 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July Meeting one week earlier than normal - 21 July
Message-ID: <4858616F-6879-4028-8086-B9D4E0F60D58@stok.ca>

This  month's meeting will be held a week earlier than usual, on 21 July 2011 due to Damian Conway's talks providing some Perl excitement at the beginning of August.

Mike

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From mike at stok.ca  Fri Jul  8 09:10:28 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:10:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July Meeting one week earlier than normal - 21 July
Message-ID: <4BFBC3BA-CADC-4E9F-A82A-2ADC799358A3@stok.ca>

This  month's meeting will be held a week earlier than usual, on 21 July 2011 due to Damian Conway's talks providing some Perl excitement at the beginning of August.

Mike

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From arocker at Vex.Net  Fri Jul  8 12:41:18 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:41:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July TPM meeting moved to 21st.
Message-ID: <590a994537d8f0eefd2aa3a0c944eb64.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


As the title indicates, we have moved this month's meeting back a week, to
the 21st, for reasons Mike has already explained.

Though the date has changed, the location hasn't.


From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 09:35:20 2011
From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:35:20 -0400
Subject: [tpm] O'Reilly Free Books
Message-ID: <CAGTZozd1Cy_GNkBTfi1nfqnPRcog0spDDqGwtsGTjpoa8EV37A@mail.gmail.com>

>From another newsletter:

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From mike at stok.ca  Sat Jul  9 06:54:42 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 09:54:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Mailing list oddities
Message-ID: <CA38DA79-DC52-46D2-9233-294071A19BF5@stok.ca>

There is a new spam filtering system which seems to be flagging mail which is addressed to tpm at to.pm.org.  While pm.org people look at that can you send mail to the list to toronto-pm at pm.org which doesn't have this issue.

Mike

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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 08:43:55 2011
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:43:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] off-topic: debugging web apps on tablet browsers
Message-ID: <CAGuV3hNXafHYu5RJUb1PgFOTVqBadxHnAZfktvENE7Y-HnzuAQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is off-topic, but someone may have encountered similar
situations in the Perl lives.

I decided to try my old web-app on my new tablet computer
(A Barnes & Noble Nook Color, running Cyanogen mod 7
which is Android 2.3.4)

I've tried a variety of browsers, without much success.

Firefox 5.0
Dolphin 5.1.0
Opera 11.10...
built-in browser

The only one that seems to work is Opera.
The rest have varying degrees of work-iness.
For example:

Firefox:  Doesn't show me the whole screen and won't let me scroll or select
stuff.
Dolphin:  Some tables don't show up (some do)
Built-in: Scrolling around on pages only works when 'zoomed in'.
Opera:    Seems to work fine.

But I don't seem to have problems with any of these browsers
on 'other' web sites.  So I'd like to know what I'm doing
differently that's causing these browsers grief.
Any suggestions for how to accomplish that (besides stripping
my app back down to the bare minimum, and building it back
up on each browser till I find out what breaks them?)

Fulko
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Fri Jul 15 12:30:07 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:30:07 -0400
Subject: [tpm] off-topic: debugging web apps on tablet browsers
In-Reply-To: <CAGuV3hNXafHYu5RJUb1PgFOTVqBadxHnAZfktvENE7Y-HnzuAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGuV3hNXafHYu5RJUb1PgFOTVqBadxHnAZfktvENE7Y-HnzuAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9246e7e2b01d4213d09ac374b807f1f.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


> Any suggestions for how to accomplish that (besides stripping
> my app back down to the bare minimum, and building it back
> up on each browser till I find out what breaks them?)

It'll have to be something like that; rather than chopping up the code,
you could save a generated page and submit smaller subsets of it until it
stops breaking.



From olaf.alders at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 12:59:38 2011
From: olaf.alders at gmail.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:59:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] off-topic: debugging web apps on tablet browsers
In-Reply-To: <c9246e7e2b01d4213d09ac374b807f1f.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <CAGuV3hNXafHYu5RJUb1PgFOTVqBadxHnAZfktvENE7Y-HnzuAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c9246e7e2b01d4213d09ac374b807f1f.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <7E5CC18E-A455-415A-836E-8BD9AD0418B0@vilerichard.com>


On 2011-07-15, at 3:30 PM, arocker at vex.net wrote:

> 
>> Any suggestions for how to accomplish that (besides stripping
>> my app back down to the bare minimum, and building it back
>> up on each browser till I find out what breaks them?)
> 
> It'll have to be something like that; rather than chopping up the code,
> you could save a generated page and submit smaller subsets of it until it
> stops breaking.
> 

Before you start slicing your markup, have you validated your pages?

http://validator.w3.org/

--
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From mike at stok.ca  Mon Jul 18 06:05:16 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:05:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Meeting Thursday 21 July
Message-ID: <F0A72A28-7F3E-4688-81A5-31322968D1C1@stok.ca>

There will be a Toronto Perl Mongers meeting this Thursday (a week ahead of schedule) at Global Knowledge.  See http://to.pm.org for (somewhat skeetchy) details.

Mike

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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 10:18:05 2011
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:18:05 -0400
Subject: [tpm] off-topic: debugging web apps on tablet browsers
In-Reply-To: <7E5CC18E-A455-415A-836E-8BD9AD0418B0@vilerichard.com>
References: <CAGuV3hNXafHYu5RJUb1PgFOTVqBadxHnAZfktvENE7Y-HnzuAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c9246e7e2b01d4213d09ac374b807f1f.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<7E5CC18E-A455-415A-836E-8BD9AD0418B0@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuV3hNH9whxh7REkV-Jdi4R+KE9Nrrj3FTbGx7vj=iHUnzpKA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Olaf Alders <olaf.alders at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-07-15, at 3:30 PM, arocker at vex.net wrote:
> >
> >> Any suggestions for how to accomplish that (besides stripping
> >> my app back down to the bare minimum, and building it back
> >> up on each browser till I find out what breaks them?)
> >
> > It'll have to be something like that; rather than chopping up the code,
> > you could save a generated page and submit smaller subsets of it until
it
> > stops breaking.
>
> Before you start slicing your markup, have you validated your pages?
>
> http://validator.w3.org

No, I hadn't.
...I tested a few of my (generated) pages this morning, and it found a few
stupid
mistakes/inconsistencies, but none fixed the 'weird behavior'  I was seeing.

But as a followup to my own message... Here's what I've since discovered:

1/ I was having trouble with a Javascript function that used setTimeout() to
   create a countdown clock on the browser.  The basic code is below.

   Note that there is a text field and also a function both called 'tmo'.
   The 'mobile Firefox' was apparently getting confused,
   (whereas all other browsers (over the last 12 years) don't have an
issue).

   The workaround/fix was to rename either the field,
   or the function so that they were unique.

...
<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="tmo" VALUE="" SIZE=5>
...
<script type="text/javascript">

function tmo (time) {
   s = time.split(":");
   count = (parseInt(s[0], 10) * 60) + parseInt(s[1], 10);
   if (count > 0) {
     --count; // reduce the remaining time
     min = Math.floor(count/60).toString();      // get the number of
minutes as a string
     if (min.length == 1) { min = " " + min; }   // pre-pend a space if
necessary
     sec = count % 60;
     sec = sec.toString();
     if (sec.length == 1) { sec = "0" + sec; }   // get the fractional
seconds as a string and prepend a zero if necessary
     time = min + ":" + sec;
     str = "tmo(\"" + time + "\");";             // format a string that
looks like the function we need to schedule
     setTimeout(str, 1000);                      // and schedule it to run 1
second from now
     document.f1.tmo.value = time;               // update the screen with
the new timeout value
  } else {                                       // we've timed out...
     top.document.location = "/nia/index.html";  // so point the user back
to the login screen
   }
}

tmo("2:00"); // start the timer going
</script>

2/ It seems that there is a bug in Firefox (mobile) w.r.t. frames.
   They doesn't work! (yet)
   Apparently it is a known bug, and will be 'fixed in the next release'.

---------------

Another general observation for people building pages for mobile/table
browsers...

Don't rely on being able to scroll horizontally on 'wide' pages!
Some browsers  ('cough') Firefox allow you to scroll horizontally to get
at Firefox features, so when you try to scroll to see the rest of your
page's width,
the browser instead scrolls itself so you can get to the browser's options.

Hope this helps someone else.
Fulko
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From mike at stok.ca  Tue Jul 26 03:43:31 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:43:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: Ignite Great Lakes and Detroit Maker Faire
References: <1311636024.28368.0.147014@post.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <D211A9CF-5CDF-4ADF-9603-860BCA88B3F2@stok.ca>


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