From arocker at Vex.Net  Fri Oct  1 07:55:27 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:55:27 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
Message-ID: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


Now that USB sticks are ubiquitous, cheap, and capacious, perhaps we
should make it a standard procedure for lightning talks to have one
machine connected to the projector for the entire evening, and everybody
bring their visuals on a stick to insert into it?

We might have to agree on some standards, (e.g. the machine will have
Firefox, a bash-compatible shell, and a particular version of perl), but
it would avoid the current inter-talk fumbling.


From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 08:25:55 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:25:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
In-Reply-To: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRtsn-MOGkm_pk5m-YQog-6M9SDa_2GH=dyqfv@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:55 AM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

>
> Now that USB sticks are ubiquitous, cheap, and capacious, perhaps we
> should make it a standard procedure for lightning talks to have one
> machine connected to the projector for the entire evening, and everybody
> bring their visuals on a stick to insert into it?
>
> We might have to agree on some standards, (e.g. the machine will have
> Firefox, a bash-compatible shell, and a particular version of perl), but
> it would avoid the current inter-talk fumbling.
>
>
In general, thats probably a good idea,
except when someone wants to demo the app, do audio, etc.

like what a fellow called Alan was doing.  :-)
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Oct  1 10:11:16 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:11:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
In-Reply-To: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <C76ADD2C-9425-435E-9261-DEA83F370077@vilerichard.com>

On 2010-10-01, at 10:55 AM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:

> 
> Now that USB sticks are ubiquitous, cheap, and capacious, perhaps we
> should make it a standard procedure for lightning talks to have one
> machine connected to the projector for the entire evening, and everybody
> bring their visuals on a stick to insert into it?
> 
> We might have to agree on some standards, (e.g. the machine will have
> Firefox, a bash-compatible shell, and a particular version of perl), but
> it would avoid the current inter-talk fumbling.

That would be helpful in a lot of cases, especially since there's no easy wireless in the classrooms.  If the main machine is already online, that would make for an easier transition. 


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From arocker at Vex.Net  Fri Oct  1 10:13:18 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:13:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRtsn-MOGkm_pk5m-YQog-6M9SDa_2GH=dyqfv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<AANLkTimRtsn-MOGkm_pk5m-YQog-6M9SDa_2GH=dyqfv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e2ed922ec5abe5995a737d70ae80224a.squirrel@mail.vex.net>

>
> In general, thats probably a good idea,
> except when someone wants to demo the app, do audio, etc.
>
> like what a fellow called Alan was doing.  :-)
>

I could have done my presentation from a USB stick, especially with an
advance knowledge of the configuration.


From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Fri Oct  1 11:00:12 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:00:12 -0400
Subject: [tpm] October meeting speaker(s) wanted
In-Reply-To: <mailman.65.1285873255.14120.toronto-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.65.1285873255.14120.toronto-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <61B72189-A1C1-4ACA-B82D-F0737699327D@communitybandwidth.ca>


On 2010-09-30, at 3:00 PM, Mike Stok wrote:

> I am out of stand-bys for the October meeting.  Dave Doyle will have his postponed lightning talk, so I'm looking for a few good people to step forward with something as the main attraction for October.

Not sure how broadly appealing it would be, but I'm always happy to do lengthier, hands-on, talks about Bricolage CMS (http://bricolagecms.org/) -- both the practical bits (like building sites with it), and the more technical "behind the scenes" mechanics of a "Big Perl Application": http://www.ohloh.net/p/bricolage

Cheers,

Phillip.

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From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Fri Oct  1 11:06:39 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:06:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1520.1285956022.26928.toronto-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.1520.1285956022.26928.toronto-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <ABEF8CD4-51AD-4BB2-8496-7B33A9CA1EE5@communitybandwidth.ca>


On 2010-10-01, at 2:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:

> Now that USB sticks are ubiquitous, cheap, and capacious, perhaps we
> should make it a standard procedure for lightning talks to have one
> machine connected to the projector for the entire evening, and everybody
> bring their visuals on a stick to insert into it?
> 
> We might have to agree on some standards, (e.g. the machine will have
> Firefox, a bash-compatible shell, and a particular version of perl), but
> it would avoid the current inter-talk fumbling.

+1    ... What I was expecting for last night!  :-)

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From legrady at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 11:36:06 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:36:06 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
In-Reply-To: <e2ed922ec5abe5995a737d70ae80224a.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<AANLkTimRtsn-MOGkm_pk5m-YQog-6M9SDa_2GH=dyqfv@mail.gmail.com>
	<e2ed922ec5abe5995a737d70ae80224a.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTineHk1uwfE2UZh_rEYAq=C3ibuFZQ7Tq+iwuszD@mail.gmail.com>

A standard configuration would simplify things for some people.

I needed Perl6. I developed my program on my Mac, but couldn't get the demo
to work on my Windows laptop, so I installed Ubuntu. Worked great at home,
Open Office crashed at the presentation.
I've got an essay version of the presentation at
http://which-dwarf-are-you.blogspot.com/2010/09/exploring-perl6_30.html
Tom

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:13 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> >
> > In general, thats probably a good idea,
> > except when someone wants to demo the app, do audio, etc.
> >
> > like what a fellow called Alan was doing.  :-)
> >
>
> I could have done my presentation from a USB stick, especially with an
> advance knowledge of the configuration.
>
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Oct  1 11:47:22 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:47:22 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Mangling CPAN with Plack::App::Proxy
Message-ID: <787412D2-7E0B-47E2-93B3-DA5FC0E904D8@vilerichard.com>

I've posted last night's slides:  http://www.slideshare.net/oalders/mangling  

If you're interested in Plack at all, I'd suggest you check out the repo and try it out.  You should be up and running in just a few minutes.  Let me know if you run into any problems with it.

Also, the sample Dist::Zilla .dzil configuration is posted here:

http://github.com/oalders/dzil-defaults/


Olaf
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From mike at stok.ca  Sat Oct  2 16:05:13 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:05:13 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Standard for Lightning Talks?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRtsn-MOGkm_pk5m-YQog-6M9SDa_2GH=dyqfv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f8cdc86794dcef9b7aec7664abb01d5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<AANLkTimRtsn-MOGkm_pk5m-YQog-6M9SDa_2GH=dyqfv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1AC65A4A-4B25-400D-99AA-D4F50B8865E3@stok.ca>


On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:55 AM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
> 
> Now that USB sticks are ubiquitous, cheap, and capacious, perhaps we
> should make it a standard procedure for lightning talks to have one
> machine connected to the projector for the entire evening, and everybody
> bring their visuals on a stick to insert into it?
> 
> We might have to agree on some standards, (e.g. the machine will have
> Firefox, a bash-compatible shell, and a particular version of perl), but
> it would avoid the current inter-talk fumbling.
> 
> 
> In general, thats probably a good idea,
> except when someone wants to demo the app, do audio, etc.
> 
> like what a fellow called Alan was doing.  :-)

If the projector has >1 input then would it be reasonable to say "there will be a machine (configuration...) to present on, if you want to use something else then you can as long as you don't unplug the official machine."  We could even be generous and have a spare video / dvi cable.

Mike 

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From legrady at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 16:15:51 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:15:51 -0400
Subject: [tpm] proposal: Toronto Perl Workshop
Message-ID: <AANLkTinB93wGFjcTOaSzNYy-MNEZrTVxMHE=vT53mPqR@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to the Pittsburgh Perl Workshop for the weekend, and I'm jealous.

I want Toronto to have an event of it's own. After all, it IS the center of
the universe.

Actually, my goals are more modest, as I mentioned at last week's meeting.
My idea is to hold a one-day event, some Saturday. I see it as an
opportunity to bring together the Buffalo, KW and Toronto groups, to meet
the people, find out what their interests are. At the meeting there was
interest in having two streams, one room for presentations, one room for
hackathons.

Is there interest in something like this? I know there are some people on
the mail list from KW, and I think from Buffalo as well. I seem to remember
from Lindsay doing a presentation a while back, I think it was on using a
serial port to have literal lights announcing problems.

I'm thinking it would take a little organization even for a casual affair,
probably not feasible before Christmas. Winter? or better to hold off till
March or April, when civilization returns to the outdoors?

Tom
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From dmagnuszewski at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 17:06:14 2010
From: dmagnuszewski at yahoo.com (Daniel Magnuszewski)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:06:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] proposal: Toronto Perl Workshop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinB93wGFjcTOaSzNYy-MNEZrTVxMHE=vT53mPqR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinB93wGFjcTOaSzNYy-MNEZrTVxMHE=vT53mPqR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155462.27032.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On behalf of Buffalo Mongers (I'll forward this along to our list as well) I 
think this is a great idea. I wouldn't mind doing this over the winter.

-Dan




________________________________
From: Tom Legrady <legrady at gmail.com>
To: TPM Toronto Perl Mongers <tpm at to.pm.org>
Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 7:15:51 PM
Subject: [tpm] proposal: Toronto Perl Workshop

I'm going to the Pittsburgh Perl Workshop for the weekend, and I'm jealous.

I want Toronto to have an event of it's own. After all, it IS the center of the 
universe. 


Actually, my goals are more modest, as I mentioned at last week's meeting. My 
idea is to hold a one-day event, some Saturday. I see it as an opportunity to 
bring together the Buffalo, KW and Toronto groups, to meet the people, find out 
what their interests are. At the meeting there was interest in having two 
streams, one room for presentations, one room for hackathons.

Is there interest in something like this? I know there are some people on the 
mail list from KW, and I think from Buffalo as well. I seem to remember from 
Lindsay doing a presentation a while back, I think it was on using a serial port 
to have literal lights announcing problems.

I'm thinking it would take a little organization even for a casual affair, 
probably not feasible before Christmas. Winter? or better to hold off till March 
or April, when civilization returns to the outdoors?

Tom
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Mon Oct  4 18:43:50 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:43:50 -0400
Subject: [tpm] proposal: Toronto Perl Workshop
In-Reply-To: <155462.27032.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinB93wGFjcTOaSzNYy-MNEZrTVxMHE=vT53mPqR@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2010-10-04, at 8:06 PM, Daniel Magnuszewski wrote:

> On behalf of Buffalo Mongers (I'll forward this along to our list as well) I think this is a great idea. I wouldn't mind doing this over the winter.
> 
> -Dan

I'm on board with this is well.  Please put me on the list of folks who'd like to help out.  

Olaf
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From jztam at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  5 09:04:08 2010
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
	robustly and securely
In-Reply-To: <33D21FCD-EB11-4080-B807-B97CA42FDA0E@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is exactly the same as another server's subDirectory with the same hierarchy and names.
I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and forget about perl... but open to feedback.
I can relax permissions and ACL's during the mirroring process, and re-apply afterwards.
Thoughts?
/jordan


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From stuart at morungos.com  Tue Oct  5 09:12:44 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:12:44 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
 robustly and securely
In-Reply-To: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CAB4E7C.7050707@morungos.com>

  I use File::Copy::Recursive, but it doesn't work fully.

Are you safe from long (> 256 character) pathnames and files containing 
non-ASCII characters? These are a nightmare on Windows (possible, but 
with dirty tricks internally), and as far as I can tell, Perl doesn't 
like them anyway. I am planning to make some Perl patches to handle 
long/UTF-8 pathnames transparently on Windows.

Apart from these issues, File::Copy::Recursive isn't bad. But it isn't 
mirroring, I suppose.

I did find that the Windows shell command (essentially what happens when 
you drag a folder) is available in Win32::FileOp, and you might find 
that worth exploring. I haven't looked into more sophisticated mirroring 
options, but would be interested to hear anybody else's experiences.

--S


On 10/5/2010 12:04 PM, J Z Tam wrote:
> Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is 
> exactly the same as another server's subDirectory with the same 
> hierarchy and names.
> I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and forget 
> about perl... but open to feedback.
> I can relax permissions and ACL's during the mirroring process, and 
> re-apply afterwards.
> Thoughts?
> /jordan
>
>
>
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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Tue Oct  5 09:49:30 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:49:30 +0200
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
	robustly and securely
In-Reply-To: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201010051849.31141.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:04:08 J Z Tam wrote:
> Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is exactly
> the same as another server's subDirectory with the same hierarchy and
> names. I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and
> forget about perl... but open to feedback. I can relax permissions and
> ACL's during the mirroring process, and re-apply afterwards. Thoughts?
> /jordan

When on Unix, I normally use rsync for that: http://rsync.samba.org/ . It runs 
fine on cygwin. Caveat: I never tried to use rsync between two Windows hosts 
while attempting to preserve permissions and ACLs , which I'm hazy about their 
semantics in MSWin, but on Unix systems, rsync has an option to preserve 
permissions and user/group ownerships of files.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Tue Oct  5 09:49:30 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:49:30 +0200
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
	robustly and securely
In-Reply-To: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201010051849.31141.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:04:08 J Z Tam wrote:
> Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is exactly
> the same as another server's subDirectory with the same hierarchy and
> names. I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and
> forget about perl... but open to feedback. I can relax permissions and
> ACL's during the mirroring process, and re-apply afterwards. Thoughts?
> /jordan

When on Unix, I normally use rsync for that: http://rsync.samba.org/ . It runs 
fine on cygwin. Caveat: I never tried to use rsync between two Windows hosts 
while attempting to preserve permissions and ACLs , which I'm hazy about their 
semantics in MSWin, but on Unix systems, rsync has an option to preserve 
permissions and user/group ownerships of files.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From indy at indigostar.com  Tue Oct  5 09:58:01 2010
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:58:01 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
	robustly and securely
References: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <375F6595C2C14093B9A81F3C902557DA@ROADKILL>

You may want to consider using something like:
system ("xcopy /d/e/c/i/h/r/k $source $dest");

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J Z Tam 
  To: tpm at to.pm.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:04 PM
  Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,robustly and securely


        Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is exactly the same as another server's subDirectory with the same hierarchy and names.
        I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and forget about perl... but open to feedback.
        I can relax permissions and ACL's during the mirroring process, and re-apply afterwards.
        Thoughts?
        /jordan
       




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From rob at cryptic.org  Tue Oct  5 10:02:42 2010
From: rob at cryptic.org (Rob Williams)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
 robustly and securely
In-Reply-To: <201010051849.31141.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
References: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<201010051849.31141.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
Message-ID: <1286298162.18649.25.camel@eldiablo>

I've had great success using Unison
( http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ ). It's a package that uses
incremental backups similar to rsync, but can run natively under Windows
and Linux, and the two can work with each other. Unison is no longer
under active development, though, but I haven't come across any major
problems with it in the last year or so that I've been using it to back
up my clients' servers.


On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 18:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:

> On Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:04:08 J Z Tam wrote:
> > Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is exactly
> > the same as another server's subDirectory with the same hierarchy and
> > names. I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and
> > forget about perl... but open to feedback. I can relax permissions and
> > ACL's during the mirroring process, and re-apply afterwards. Thoughts?
> > /jordan
> 
> When on Unix, I normally use rsync for that: http://rsync.samba.org/ . It runs 
> fine on cygwin. Caveat: I never tried to use rsync between two Windows hosts 
> while attempting to preserve permissions and ACLs , which I'm hazy about their 
> semantics in MSWin, but on Unix systems, rsync has an option to preserve 
> permissions and user/group ownerships of files.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Shlomi Fish
> 


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From rob at cryptic.org  Tue Oct  5 10:02:42 2010
From: rob at cryptic.org (Rob Williams)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:02:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Q: Which modules to use for mirroring a Windows tree,
 robustly and securely
In-Reply-To: <201010051849.31141.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
References: <93716.65259.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1286298162.18649.25.camel@eldiablo>

I've had great success using Unison
( http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ ). It's a package that uses
incremental backups similar to rsync, but can run natively under Windows
and Linux, and the two can work with each other. Unison is no longer
under active development, though, but I haven't come across any major
problems with it in the last year or so that I've been using it to back
up my clients' servers.


On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 18:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:

> On Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:04:08 J Z Tam wrote:
> > Just need to make sure that one Windows Server subDirectory tree is exactly
> > the same as another server's subDirectory with the same hierarchy and
> > names. I'm thinking perhaps this is easier to automate in cygwin, and
> > forget about perl... but open to feedback. I can relax permissions and
> > ACL's during the mirroring process, and re-apply afterwards. Thoughts?
> > /jordan
> 
> When on Unix, I normally use rsync for that: http://rsync.samba.org/ . It runs 
> fine on cygwin. Caveat: I never tried to use rsync between two Windows hosts 
> while attempting to preserve permissions and ACLs , which I'm hazy about their 
> semantics in MSWin, but on Unix systems, rsync has an option to preserve 
> permissions and user/group ownerships of files.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Shlomi Fish
> 


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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Wed Oct  6 06:53:03 2010
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:53:03 -0400
Subject: [tpm] proposal: Toronto Perl Workshop
In-Reply-To: <33D21FCD-EB11-4080-B807-B97CA42FDA0E@vilerichard.com>
References: <AANLkTinB93wGFjcTOaSzNYy-MNEZrTVxMHE=vT53mPqR@mail.gmail.com>	<155462.27032.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On 10-10-04 09:43 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
>
> On 2010-10-04, at 8:06 PM, Daniel Magnuszewski wrote:
>
>> On behalf of Buffalo Mongers (I'll forward this along to our list as well) I think this is a great idea. I wouldn't mind doing this over the winter.
>>
>> -Dan
>
> I'm on board with this is well.  Please put me on the list of folks who'd like to help out.

What olaf said.

Adam

From ilia at nurey.com  Wed Oct  6 06:58:39 2010
From: ilia at nurey.com (Ilia Lobsanov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:58:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] proposal: Toronto Perl Workshop
In-Reply-To: <4CAC7F3F.6070506@utoronto.ca>
References: <AANLkTinB93wGFjcTOaSzNYy-MNEZrTVxMHE=vT53mPqR@mail.gmail.com>
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What Adam said. Long live Perl!

On Wednesday, October 6, 2010, Adam Prime <adam.prime at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> On 10-10-04 09:43 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
>
>
> On 2010-10-04, at 8:06 PM, Daniel Magnuszewski wrote:
>
>
> On behalf of Buffalo Mongers (I'll forward this along to our list as well) I think this is a great idea. I wouldn't mind doing this over the winter.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> I'm on board with this is well. ?Please put me on the list of folks who'd like to help out.
>
>
> What olaf said.
>
> Adam
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct  7 09:17:19 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:17:19 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
Message-ID: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>

After the last meeting a bunch of us got to talking about how much better the CPAN would be if there were some sort of web service which could provide CPAN and CPAN-related data.  Imagine how much more useful CPAN ratings or AnnoCPAN would be if you could query them directly for information rather than  the current method (download a CSV and an SQLite db respectively).  Imagine a system of up and downvoting your favourite modules with real time charts and statistics to map out what the community currently cares about.  

People are always saying that the CPAN is one of the best things about perl, but imagine how much better it really could be and what sorts of applications people could build to work with the available data?  iCPAN certainly stands to benefit from a web service, but so would a similar application built on the Android platform or even some of the command line clients used for installing modules etc.

search.cpan.org isn't open source, so we can't improve it, but we can certainly provide some layers which could be used to improve it or even to offer a viable alternative at some point.  

Dave will be giving a talk about CPAN at the next meeting, so maybe those who are interested in contributing to this project could make it a point to be there and to be available afterwards to chat about this in more detail.

As a starting point, I would suggest grabbing a copy of iCPAN: http://github.com/oalders/iCPAN  The stuff in the /perl and /website folders can be run without being on a Mac and it's a small introduction to how the CPAN works and is organized.  Just trying to get a discussion started at this point.  Thoughts?

Olaf
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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Thu Oct  7 09:22:55 2010
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:22:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <4CADF3DF.50100@utoronto.ca>

You might want to take a look at http://github.com/bricas/cpanhq

It looks like it's lost momentum completely, but probably had some of 
the same goals.

Adam

On 10-10-07 12:17 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
> After the last meeting a bunch of us got to talking about how much
> better the CPAN would be if there were some sort of web service which
> could provide CPAN and CPAN-related data.  Imagine how much more
> useful CPAN ratings or AnnoCPAN would be if you could query them
> directly for information rather than  the current method (download a
> CSV and an SQLite db respectively).  Imagine a system of up and
> downvoting your favourite modules with real time charts and
> statistics to map out what the community currently cares about.
>
> People are always saying that the CPAN is one of the best things
> about perl, but imagine how much better it really could be and what
> sorts of applications people could build to work with the available
> data?  iCPAN certainly stands to benefit from a web service, but so
> would a similar application built on the Android platform or even
> some of the command line clients used for installing modules etc.
>
> search.cpan.org isn't open source, so we can't improve it, but we can
> certainly provide some layers which could be used to improve it or
> even to offer a viable alternative at some point.
>
> Dave will be giving a talk about CPAN at the next meeting, so maybe
> those who are interested in contributing to this project could make
> it a point to be there and to be available afterwards to chat about
> this in more detail.
>
> As a starting point, I would suggest grabbing a copy of iCPAN:
> http://github.com/oalders/iCPAN  The stuff in the /perl and /website
> folders can be run without being on a Mac and it's a small
> introduction to how the CPAN works and is organized.  Just trying to
> get a discussion started at this point.  Thoughts?
>
> Olaf -- Olaf Alders olaf at vilerichard.com
>
> http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock http://twitter.com/vilerichard
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
>
>
>
>
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> list toronto-pm at pm.org
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From stuart at morungos.com  Thu Oct  7 10:18:21 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:18:21 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>

  I agree 100% - and I'd love to do a better search for CPAN. I have a 
lot on scaling KinoSearch, which does seem to be capable of indexing 
something the size of CPAN. Updating it frequently might be more of a 
challenge, but not insuperable. I would absolutely love to do some of 
this, and would be very keen to work on it.

--S

On 10/7/2010 12:17 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
> After the last meeting a bunch of us got to talking about how much better the CPAN would be if there were some sort of web service which could provide CPAN and CPAN-related data.  Imagine how much more useful CPAN ratings or AnnoCPAN would be if you could query them directly for information rather than  the current method (download a CSV and an SQLite db respectively).  Imagine a system of up and downvoting your favourite modules with real time charts and statistics to map out what the community currently cares about.
>
> People are always saying that the CPAN is one of the best things about perl, but imagine how much better it really could be and what sorts of applications people could build to work with the available data?  iCPAN certainly stands to benefit from a web service, but so would a similar application built on the Android platform or even some of the command line clients used for installing modules etc.
>
> search.cpan.org isn't open source, so we can't improve it, but we can certainly provide some layers which could be used to improve it or even to offer a viable alternative at some point.
>
> Dave will be giving a talk about CPAN at the next meeting, so maybe those who are interested in contributing to this project could make it a point to be there and to be available afterwards to chat about this in more detail.
>
> As a starting point, I would suggest grabbing a copy of iCPAN: http://github.com/oalders/iCPAN  The stuff in the /perl and /website folders can be run without being on a Mac and it's a small introduction to how the CPAN works and is organized.  Just trying to get a discussion started at this point.  Thoughts?
>
> Olaf
> --
> Olaf Alders
> olaf at vilerichard.com
>
> http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
> http://twitter.com/vilerichard
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
>
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct  7 10:31:32 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:31:32 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <4CADF3DF.50100@utoronto.ca>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
	<4CADF3DF.50100@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <FEC2ECAE-55AC-482B-9E37-0C5C74B7CA06@vilerichard.com>


On 2010-10-07, at 12:22 PM, Adam Prime wrote:

> You might want to take a look at http://github.com/bricas/cpanhq
> 
> It looks like it's lost momentum completely, but probably had some of the same goals.
> 
> Adam

Thanks for pointing that out.  We're aware of that project, but it does seem like it never really got off the ground.  Generally, it looks like it's trying to get to the same place.  I think it merits a closer look, though.

Olaf
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct  7 10:36:28 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:36:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
	<4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>
Message-ID: <80D7787F-B172-4698-8080-D6A91C8BCAD9@vilerichard.com>


On 2010-10-07, at 1:18 PM, Stuart Watt wrote:

> I agree 100% - and I'd love to do a better search for CPAN. I have a lot on scaling KinoSearch, which does seem to be capable of indexing something the size of CPAN. Updating it frequently might be more of a challenge, but not insuperable. I would absolutely love to do some of this, and would be very keen to work on it.
> 
> --S

Excellent!  KinoSearch is something I really don't know anything about.  Phillip was also mentioning ElasticSearch, which is another project I'm clueless about, so there might be some interesting conversations about search in there.  Glad to have you on board.  :)

Olaf
--
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http://twitter.com/vilerichard
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From stuart at morungos.com  Thu Oct  7 11:07:30 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:07:30 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <80D7787F-B172-4698-8080-D6A91C8BCAD9@vilerichard.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>	<4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>
	<80D7787F-B172-4698-8080-D6A91C8BCAD9@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <4CAE0C62.1040305@morungos.com>

  On 10/7/2010 1:36 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
> Excellent!  KinoSearch is something I really don't know anything about.  Phillip was also mentioning ElasticSearch, which is another project I'm clueless about, so there might be some interesting conversations about search in there.  Glad to have you on board.  :)
ElasticSearch looks cool - I'd be very happy to play with it. It looks 
like a valid next direction for the work I'm trying to do anyway.

For me, some CPAN tester information integration, especially the 
per-platform breakdown, would also be ultracool - a lot of modules look 
good until you see how they fare on your platform.

--S

From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct  7 11:18:40 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:18:40 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <4CAE0C62.1040305@morungos.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>	<4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>
	<80D7787F-B172-4698-8080-D6A91C8BCAD9@vilerichard.com>
	<4CAE0C62.1040305@morungos.com>
Message-ID: <FF1B5859-4F0C-44CE-B7BE-D6F2CC859B9E@vilerichard.com>


On 2010-10-07, at 2:07 PM, Stuart Watt wrote:

> On 10/7/2010 1:36 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
>> Excellent!  KinoSearch is something I really don't know anything about.  Phillip was also mentioning ElasticSearch, which is another project I'm clueless about, so there might be some interesting conversations about search in there.  Glad to have you on board.  :)
> ElasticSearch looks cool - I'd be very happy to play with it. It looks like a valid next direction for the work I'm trying to do anyway.
> 
> For me, some CPAN tester information integration, especially the per-platform breakdown, would also be ultracool - a lot of modules look good until you see how they fare on your platform.


On that note, we were also thinking of using the GitHub API to track open bugs on modules hosted there.  I don't know of a way to get that info from RT, but a lot of authors look to be moving towards GitHub to manage issues anyway.

Olaf
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Oct  7 13:48:28 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:48:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <FF1B5859-4F0C-44CE-B7BE-D6F2CC859B9E@vilerichard.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
	<4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>
	<80D7787F-B172-4698-8080-D6A91C8BCAD9@vilerichard.com>
	<4CAE0C62.1040305@morungos.com>
	<FF1B5859-4F0C-44CE-B7BE-D6F2CC859B9E@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikO9fDH_7OUa4Frx+EZd5yNgw-R_uHVr4RjkV=M@mail.gmail.com>

It would be great if this new search engine/statistics reporting engine
could be decentralized, and have this decentralization as part of it's core
design.  That way there would (hopefully) never be a situation where users
are dependant on a single instance of a service running under a single
domain.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Olaf Alders <olaf at vilerichard.com> wrote:

>
> On 2010-10-07, at 2:07 PM, Stuart Watt wrote:
>
> > On 10/7/2010 1:36 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
> >> Excellent!  KinoSearch is something I really don't know anything about.
>  Phillip was also mentioning ElasticSearch, which is another project I'm
> clueless about, so there might be some interesting conversations about
> search in there.  Glad to have you on board.  :)
> > ElasticSearch looks cool - I'd be very happy to play with it. It looks
> like a valid next direction for the work I'm trying to do anyway.
> >
> > For me, some CPAN tester information integration, especially the
> per-platform breakdown, would also be ultracool - a lot of modules look good
> until you see how they fare on your platform.
>
>
> On that note, we were also thinking of using the GitHub API to track open
> bugs on modules hosted there.  I don't know of a way to get that info from
> RT, but a lot of authors look to be moving towards GitHub to manage issues
> anyway.
>
> Olaf
> --
> Olaf Alders
> olaf at vilerichard.com
>
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct  7 19:30:00 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:30:00 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikO9fDH_7OUa4Frx+EZd5yNgw-R_uHVr4RjkV=M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FCEF369D-67AB-42D2-9261-6E09BC732C5E@vilerichard.com>
	<4CAE00DD.1070709@morungos.com>
	<80D7787F-B172-4698-8080-D6A91C8BCAD9@vilerichard.com>
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	<FF1B5859-4F0C-44CE-B7BE-D6F2CC859B9E@vilerichard.com>
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On 2010-10-07, at 4:48 PM, J. Bobby Lopez wrote:

> It would be great if this new search engine/statistics reporting engine could be decentralized, and have this decentralization as part of it's core design.  That way there would (hopefully) never be a situation where users are dependant on a single instance of a service running under a single domain.

I think that increases the complexity considerably, but yes, I think that would be very helpful.  Would make for an interesting discussion.

Olaf
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Fri Oct  8 10:23:15 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:23:15 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Numerology
Message-ID: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


Sunday's date, October 10 2010, is 101010, regardless of which side of the
Atlantic you sit. Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010
from binary to decimal?


From stuart at morungos.com  Fri Oct  8 11:05:06 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:05:06 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Numerology
In-Reply-To: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <4CAF5D52.1040904@morungos.com>

  Which is also 6 + 6 * 6
--S

On 10/8/2010 1:23 PM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:
> Sunday's date, October 10 2010, is 101010, regardless of which side of the
> Atlantic you sit. Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010
> from binary to decimal?

From jbl at jbldata.com  Fri Oct  8 11:13:42 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:13:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] [u-u] Numerology
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=byGhLVS698py5EW5Uks1huj3QgJipQsr_5qt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101008172831.DC5662E4098@zeus.dgp.toronto.edu>
	<AANLkTik=byGhLVS698py5EW5Uks1huj3QgJipQsr_5qt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingXZ4Nbetqr6J+hDyNG=Q4e2N3Dk=DeP_2xSU5@mail.gmail.com>

I blame aliens.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, William Porquet <william at 2038.org> wrote:

> Pfft, numerology. Such an inexact science compared to Tarot cards... ;-)
>
> Speaking of which, someone nabbed by vital stats from imdb and did a
> numerology reading for me (gee, thanks!).
>
> http://www.celebrities-galore.com/celebrities/william-porquet/home/
>
> (I had nothing to do with this, I found it by ego-surfing Google.)
>
> P.S. Douglas Adams and I share the same birthday.
>
> 23 skidoo, and 42 too!
> WP
>
> On 8 October 2010 13:28, Alan J Rosenthal <flaps at dgp.toronto.edu> wrote:
> >>Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010 from binary to
> decimal?
> >
> > I recall a discussion of this in the 1980s, with someone jokingly opining
> > that it was "suspicious".
> >
> > I do wonder whether Douglas Adams chose his number on this tidy basis.
> > Too bad we didn't think to ask him then, when he was still alive...
> > Well, we could have asked him then, but we could have in the next decade
> when
> > he was posting to alt.fan.douglas-adams...
> >
> > regards,
> > aj "just another member of the Alan cabal" r
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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Fri Oct  8 11:22:39 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:22:39 +0200
Subject: [tpm] Numerology
In-Reply-To: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <201010082022.40552.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Friday 08 October 2010 19:23:15 arocker at vex.net wrote:
> Sunday's date, October 10 2010, is 101010, regardless of which side of the
> Atlantic you sit. Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010
> from binary to decimal?
> 

It's also the release date of Ubuntu 10.10 codenamed "Maverick Meerkat". They 
picked the date so that Ubuntu 10.10 will be released on 10.10.10:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Fri Oct  8 11:22:39 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:22:39 +0200
Subject: [tpm] Numerology
In-Reply-To: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <201010082022.40552.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Friday 08 October 2010 19:23:15 arocker at vex.net wrote:
> Sunday's date, October 10 2010, is 101010, regardless of which side of the
> Atlantic you sit. Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010
> from binary to decimal?
> 

It's also the release date of Ubuntu 10.10 codenamed "Maverick Meerkat". They 
picked the date so that Ubuntu 10.10 will be released on 10.10.10:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From greg at node79.com  Fri Oct  8 11:29:37 2010
From: greg at node79.com (Greg Heo)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:29:37 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Numerology
In-Reply-To: <201010082022.40552.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
References: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<201010082022.40552.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
Message-ID: <0FFD81FB-8913-4433-9F24-1DBBC7FDD1C1@node79.com>

For iPhone nerds, it's also the release date of the iPhone 4 jailbreak. At 10:10:10 GMT no less!

On Oct 08 2010, at 2:22 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:

> On Friday 08 October 2010 19:23:15 arocker at vex.net wrote:
>> Sunday's date, October 10 2010, is 101010, regardless of which side of the
>> Atlantic you sit. Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010
>> from binary to decimal?
>> 
> 
> It's also the release date of Ubuntu 10.10 codenamed "Maverick Meerkat". They 
> picked the date so that Ubuntu 10.10 will be released on 10.10.10:
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Shlomi Fish


From indy at indigostar.com  Fri Oct  8 11:31:49 2010
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:31:49 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Numerology
References: <36547541518dfee4d0592b664b693b3d.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <76A78C612C8B4DB8B103D3539F59BA9E@ROADKILL>

Ah,

Perhaps you have inadvertently solved the puzzle of The Ultimate 
Question?

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

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Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [tpm] Numerology


>
> Sunday's date, October 10 2010, is 101010, regardless of which side of 
> the
> Atlantic you sit. Has anybody noticed the result if you convert 101010
> from binary to decimal?
>
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Fri Oct  8 11:54:44 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:54:44 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl Linux Distribution
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoBO7C3i9XH7XZ=_pneiPxTS-6iQc+1EpbQygP@mail.gmail.com>

No joke (I hope):  http://perllinux.sourceforge.net/


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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Fri Oct  8 12:28:09 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:28:09 +0200
Subject: [tpm] Perl Linux Distribution
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoBO7C3i9XH7XZ=_pneiPxTS-6iQc+1EpbQygP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimoBO7C3i9XH7XZ=_pneiPxTS-6iQc+1EpbQygP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010082128.10080.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Friday 08 October 2010 20:54:44 J. Bobby Lopez wrote:
> No joke (I hope):  http://perllinux.sourceforge.net/
> 

Yes, I've heard about back when it was announced on whatsup.org.il in 2004:

http://www.whatsup.org.il/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3228

The last release of Perl Linux was in 2005 , and I was unable to build it.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

BTW: when hitting "reply to all" I keep getting two of the mailing list's 
addresses as my recipients. There seems to be some monkey business in the 
headers.
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Sat Oct  9 10:17:30 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:17:30 -0400
Subject: [tpm] [u-u] Numerology
In-Reply-To: <20101008172831.DC5662E4098@zeus.dgp.toronto.edu>
References: <20101008172831.DC5662E4098@zeus.dgp.toronto.edu>
Message-ID: <09de94ea75f40d0294c6c359c4a6809b.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


> I do wonder whether Douglas Adams chose his number on this tidy basis.
>

Actually, it came from one of John Cleese's industrial training videos.
http://www.dailyllama.com/spam/video/cleese_video_arts.html

See http://tinyurl.com/3a3f7qh from "Hitchhiker" http://tinyurl.com/3yuvcy3


From ushnish.sengupta at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 20:23:58 2010
From: ushnish.sengupta at gmail.com (Ushnish Sengupta)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 23:23:58 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Announcing SocialTechCampToronto Saturday Oct 23rd
In-Reply-To: <c3c3126f-5cbf-42bc-9e98-42d051b7ce7e@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
References: <c3c3126f-5cbf-42bc-9e98-42d051b7ce7e@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinDAxB_Jeq3wUoiAACraSWFNYz20EDrSR92j_m7@mail.gmail.com>

Event: SocialTechCampToronto

Date: Saturday Oct 23rd

Time: 9:00 am to 5:00 pm

Location:OISE (Ontario Institute for Studies in Education) Building
252 Bloor Street West
7th Floor
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1V6
(on top of St. George subway station)

Format: Presentations 9 am-12:30 pm, Breakout groups 1:30 pm to 5:00
pm
The Breakout groups will be formed in a BarCamp style "unconference"
where the topics are determined by the people present.

There are a number of Social Technology projects underway in the
Greater Toronto Area as well as a number of individuals who are
working on international Social Technology projects.  All of these
projects have an Open Source component.  In conjunction with Open
Source Week Toronto, we will hold an event which will enable dialogue
and collaboration between projects and individuals.

We welcome any proposals on the following topics and related topics:
1) Providing computers to nonprofits
2) Setting up computer centres in low income apartment complexes
3) Providing Linux Ubuntu desktops and training to individuals
4) Public access hot spots in public spaces such as parks
5) Free wireless networks
6) International projects such as the World Computer Exchange, and One
Laptop Per Child.
7) Design for people with disabilities

Add your topics at:
http://barcamp.org/w/page/SocialTechCampToronto

Please register at:
http://stcu.freegeektoronto.org/
This is a free event!
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From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Sun Oct 10 15:37:37 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:37:37 -0500
Subject: [tpm] CPAN as a web service
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1939.1286562196.26928.toronto-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.1939.1286562196.26928.toronto-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <84C23DC2-E9B0-454A-8AD8-48307D5A8735@communitybandwidth.ca>


On 2010-10-08, at 1:23 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:

> On 2010-10-07, at 4:48 PM, J. Bobby Lopez wrote:
> 
>> It would be great if this new search engine/statistics reporting engine could be decentralized, and have this decentralization as part of it's core design.  That way there would (hopefully) never be a situation where users are dependant on a single instance of a service running under a single domain.
> 
> I think that increases the complexity considerably, but yes, I think that would be very helpful.  Would make for an interesting discussion.

That was one of the reasons that I mentioned Elastic Search. It's a *distributed*, REST-ful, JSON-native, search engine. What that means: straightforward to put data in and get it out; easy to use the results as data in another applications, and high-uptime.   :)

Check it out:
http://www.elasticsearch.com/

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From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Oct 13 09:26:23 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:26:23 -0400
Subject: [tpm] VMware talk
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Last year I was supposed to give a little talk on some VMware products.  I
didn't get a chance to give the talk, but I've been recently asked again to
do so.

I'd like to do the talk, but I want to narrow it down to two or three items
that would be of interest to the group. I prefer the lightening format we
did last session, 5-10 minutes, with questions left to the end.


What's the current VMware user base on this list?  I want to get an idea of
where to start, and what to talk about.  I may be able to put something
together for November, if not the next meeting.


Bobby
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 09:34:25 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:34:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_e48L6zWyJ4HQ143ExrU6h1NRPYioZb=HoTzi@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Last year I was supposed to give a little talk on some VMware products.  I
> didn't get a chance to give the talk, but I've been recently asked again to
> do so.
>
> I'd like to do the talk, but I want to narrow it down to two or three items
> that would be of interest to the group. I prefer the lightening format we
> did last session, 5-10 minutes, with questions left to the end.
>
>
> What's the current VMware user base on this list?  I want to get an idea of
> where to start, and what to talk about.  I may be able to put something
> together for November, if not the next meeting.
>

My personal bias/interest is towards 'managing VMware instances'  ...using
the Perl library VMware provides.
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From mfowle at navicominc.com  Wed Oct 13 10:03:23 2010
From: mfowle at navicominc.com (Mark Fowle)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:03:23 -0400
Subject: [tpm] VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_e48L6zWyJ4HQ143ExrU6h1NRPYioZb=HoTzi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <759E3F14A23281479A85A082BBCFA54291D04F@sbsa.NavicomInc.local>

I'll second managing VMware instances with perl libraries.
 
________________________________

From: toronto-pm-bounces+mfowle=navicominc.com at pm.org
[mailto:toronto-pm-bounces+mfowle=navicominc.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Fulko Hew
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:34 PM
To: J. Bobby Lopez
Cc: Toronto Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: [tpm] VMware talk





On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com>
wrote:


	Hello all,
	
	Last year I was supposed to give a little talk on some VMware
products.  I didn't get a chance to give the talk, but I've been
recently asked again to do so.
	
	I'd like to do the talk, but I want to narrow it down to two or
three items that would be of interest to the group. I prefer the
lightening format we did last session, 5-10 minutes, with questions left
to the end.
	
	
	What's the current VMware user base on this list?  I want to get
an idea of where to start, and what to talk about.  I may be able to put
something together for November, if not the next meeting.
	


My personal bias/interest is towards 'managing VMware instances'
...using the Perl library VMware provides.



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From arocker at Vex.Net  Wed Oct 13 10:03:47 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:03:47 -0400
Subject: [tpm] VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e70ad3fff1d230266404a33d15f87b9.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


> that would be of interest to the group. I prefer the lightening format we
> did last session, 5-10 minutes,

You really can't say much in that time; I covered only about 1/3 of 5.10's
new features in my talk.

I'd be most interested in the basics; what's needed, how to install and
start virtual machines. (And good sources of information.)


From ejanev at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 10:14:39 2010
From: ejanev at gmail.com (Emil Janev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:14:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd:  VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim5R7QS0rhhOpdC0pqQYqoekeAZiqMOLUYeb0G=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim5R7QS0rhhOpdC0pqQYqoekeAZiqMOLUYeb0G=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=aiOcWjk+FraW+v-tMU63B2QdKurk7R11fg2xc@mail.gmail.com>

I would prefer a full length talk.
I've used lightly VMWare Player at home.

Anything about Perl and VMWare is a good topic.
Another one for me would be the (advanced) network configuration on the host
and guest OS.

Regards,
Emil



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Last year I was supposed to give a little talk on some VMware products.  I
> didn't get a chance to give the talk, but I've been recently asked again to
> do so.
>
> I'd like to do the talk, but I want to narrow it down to two or three items
> that would be of interest to the group. I prefer the lightening format we
> did last session, 5-10 minutes, with questions left to the end.
>
>
> What's the current VMware user base on this list?  I want to get an idea of
> where to start, and what to talk about.  I may be able to put something
> together for November, if not the next meeting.
>
>
> Bobby
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>


-- 
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From mike at stok.ca  Thu Oct 14 10:58:19 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:58:19 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: UG Newsletter MySQL CFP 2011
References: <1287061446.25049.0.710164@post.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <52B98314-F752-45A8-8F58-FCA774A6B966@stok.ca>

Begin forwarded message:


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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Oct 15 22:03:20 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:03:20 -0400
Subject: [tpm] How to "like" a CPAN module on Facebook
Message-ID: <D7265710-467F-41E4-A413-36ECBE3E0045@vilerichard.com>

Mark and I have been playing with cpan-mangler this week.  It now has some fun improvements:

1) search terms are highlighted on search result pages
2) search results now display how many modules depend on the modules displayed -- this gives you a measure of how "important" the module may be
3) there's now a Facebook "like" button on module and distribution pages

The first 2 contributions came via other developers, but we actually did the heavy lifting on item #3.

So, if anyone out there is feeling up to it, please grab the project and test it out for us as some feedback would be helpful.  It's at:

http://github.com/oalders/cpan-mangler

Installation instructions are near the bottom of the page.

If you do get it up and running, please search on DBIx::Class and "like" that module.  We'd be interested to see how the formatting of the page looks with more icons being displayed there.  You can see an example of what the Facebook button looks like here: http://yfrog.com/62yk6p

Thanks!

Olaf
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From lsen at looksmart.net  Tue Oct 19 11:10:12 2010
From: lsen at looksmart.net (Li Sen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:10:12 -0700
Subject: [tpm] [JOB] Sr Software Engineer Ad Serving/BI
Message-ID: <4CBDDF04.9030405@looksmart.net>

Hi,

LookSmart is a public company located in San Francisco that builds and 
manages ad networks.  We're looking for a strong Perl senior software 
engineer to either join our ad serving or business intelligence 
engineering teams.  If you are interested in:

-projects that deal with data sets in the billions per day (ad requests 
for ad serving and log lines in BI) and where performance is measured in ms

-rapid release cycles (e.g. weekly) that rely heavily on automated testing

-working with team mates that are highly technical and team-focused

-having perltidy and Perl::Critic as gating factors in code check-ins 
(of course, configurations for both are reasonable)

We may have a position for you.


Some qualifications:

-Strong Perl and UNIX system programming skills (in Perl or C)

-Experience developing scalable HPC applications and dealing with 
extremely large data sets (1 billion or more transactions per day)

-Experience in solving complex technical problems of significant scope

-Experience developing and operating Perl-based data warehousing/ETL 
applications against very large relational databases, especially Oracle

-Experience in web/click stream analysis

-Experience with test automation, UNIX admin, and distributed systems


If the above sounds like what you are looking for, please email me your 
cover letter and/or resume, preferably in text format.


Thanks,

Li
-- 
LookSmart.com
Director of Engineering, Ad Serving and BI

From alexmac131 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 19 16:01:01 2010
From: alexmac131 at hotmail.com (Alex Mackinnon)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:01:01 +0000
Subject: [tpm] [JOB] Sr Software Engineer Ad Serving/BI
In-Reply-To: <4CBDDF04.9030405@looksmart.net>
References: <4CBDDF04.9030405@looksmart.net>
Message-ID: <SNT101-W127E5C0C01A2A92AFEC222835B0@phx.gbl>


Lets also mention that the living arrangements in San Fran, you wil be driving for 3 hrs a day from a place you can barely afford to live in.
 
 
Alex

 
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:10:12 -0700
> From: lsen at looksmart.net
> To: tpm at to.pm.org
> Subject: [tpm] [JOB] Sr Software Engineer Ad Serving/BI
> 
> Hi,
> 
> LookSmart is a public company located in San Francisco that builds and 
> manages ad networks. We're looking for a strong Perl senior software 
> engineer to either join our ad serving or business intelligence 
> engineering teams. If you are interested in:
> 
> -projects that deal with data sets in the billions per day (ad requests 
> for ad serving and log lines in BI) and where performance is measured in ms
> 
> -rapid release cycles (e.g. weekly) that rely heavily on automated testing
> 
> -working with team mates that are highly technical and team-focused
> 
> -having perltidy and Perl::Critic as gating factors in code check-ins 
> (of course, configurations for both are reasonable)
> 
> We may have a position for you.
> 
> 
> Some qualifications:
> 
> -Strong Perl and UNIX system programming skills (in Perl or C)
> 
> -Experience developing scalable HPC applications and dealing with 
> extremely large data sets (1 billion or more transactions per day)
> 
> -Experience in solving complex technical problems of significant scope
> 
> -Experience developing and operating Perl-based data warehousing/ETL 
> applications against very large relational databases, especially Oracle
> 
> -Experience in web/click stream analysis
> 
> -Experience with test automation, UNIX admin, and distributed systems
> 
> 
> If the above sounds like what you are looking for, please email me your 
> cover letter and/or resume, preferably in text format.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Li
> -- 
> LookSmart.com
> Director of Engineering, Ad Serving and BI
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From mike at stok.ca  Wed Oct 20 03:50:17 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:50:17 -0400
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event
Message-ID: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>

December is looming, and that means the Toronto Perl Mongers December Social event should get organised.  This email is meant to stir up some discussion so we can get the place and date settled in the next couple of weeks.

Last year we went to the Twisted Kilt on Yonge http://www.thetwistedkilt.ca/.  Does anyone have any recommendations for different / better venues?

What date would work best for people?  I am tempted to try for Thursday 2 December to avoid the crowding which happens later in the month.

How many people are interested in coming out for the December social?

Mike

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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Wed Oct 20 08:21:01 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:21:01 -0400
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event
In-Reply-To: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
References: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <CAABC0E4-DFCB-4116-AA50-8B66D707DA51@vilerichard.com>


On 2010-10-20, at 6:50 AM, Mike Stok wrote:

> December is looming, and that means the Toronto Perl Mongers December Social event should get organised.  This email is meant to stir up some discussion so we can get the place and date settled in the next couple of weeks.
> 
> Last year we went to the Twisted Kilt on Yonge http://www.thetwistedkilt.ca/.  Does anyone have any recommendations for different / better venues?
> 
> What date would work best for people?  I am tempted to try for Thursday 2 December to avoid the crowding which happens later in the month.
> 
> How many people are interested in coming out for the December social?

I'd like to come out.  Not too fussy about the venue, but earlier in the month strikes me as better.

Olaf

--
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olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 





From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Oct 20 09:21:36 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:21:36 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=aiOcWjk+FraW+v-tMU63B2QdKurk7R11fg2xc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
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Alright, I've decided what what to cover.  I'll give this talk at the
November meeting.

Here's what I plan to cover:
Quick VMware Intro (Free Products)
Installation Summary - VMware Server 2.0
Installation Summary - VMware ESXi 4.0
General VM Configuration Guidelines
Basic VM management with VI Perl Toolkit


On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Emil Janev <ejanev at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I would prefer a full length talk.
> I've used lightly VMWare Player at home.
>
> Anything about Perl and VMWare is a good topic.
> Another one for me would be the (advanced) network configuration on the
> host and guest OS.
>
> Regards,
> Emil
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Last year I was supposed to give a little talk on some VMware products.  I
>> didn't get a chance to give the talk, but I've been recently asked again to
>> do so.
>>
>> I'd like to do the talk, but I want to narrow it down to two or three
>> items that would be of interest to the group. I prefer the lightening format
>> we did last session, 5-10 minutes, with questions left to the end.
>>
>>
>> What's the current VMware user base on this list?  I want to get an idea
>> of where to start, and what to talk about.  I may be able to put something
>> together for November, if not the next meeting.
>>
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Emil Janev
>
>
>
> --
> Emil Janev
>
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 09:26:36 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:26:36 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iF60hx+hqc34c0XzFEA22TbAhB4ssP2ceHov7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:21 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:

> Alright, I've decided what what to cover.  I'll give this talk at the
> November meeting.
>
> Here's what I plan to cover:
> Quick VMware Intro (Free Products)
> Installation Summary - VMware Server 2.0
> Installation Summary - VMware ESXi 4.0
> General VM Configuration Guidelines
> Basic VM management with VI Perl Toolkit


And I'll try to add a lightning talk about a simple management app I wrote
using the 'VI Perl Toolkit'.
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:05:14 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:14 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: VMware talk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinTmag28tD8aFXE5ee05tHR8-cn-ja2cZrEsVbr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrzLye9Dz6bTts0XM52Cr7m=tDcwNM=8P05-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim5R7QS0rhhOpdC0pqQYqoekeAZiqMOLUYeb0G=@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:21 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:
>
>> Alright, I've decided what what to cover.  I'll give this talk at the
>> November meeting.
>>
>> Here's what I plan to cover:
>> Quick VMware Intro (Free Products)
>> Installation Summary - VMware Server 2.0
>> Installation Summary - VMware ESXi 4.0
>> General VM Configuration Guidelines
>> Basic VM management with VI Perl Toolkit
>
>
> And I'll try to add a lightning talk about a simple management app I wrote
> using the 'VI Perl Toolkit'.
>

Hmmm.  It turns out I already gave that lightning talk last year,
but I can do it again as a 'refresher' if people are interested in seeing it
again (in context).
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From ioncache at rogers.com  Wed Oct 20 16:42:18 2010
From: ioncache at rogers.com (Mark Jubenville)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:42:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event
In-Reply-To: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
References: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <006c01cb70b0$6ef70ab0$4ce52010$@com>

I'm in.  earlier in the month is better for me too.  Thursday Dec 2nd would
work.

 

From: toronto-pm-bounces+ioncache=rogers.com at pm.org
[mailto:toronto-pm-bounces+ioncache=rogers.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Stok
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 6:50 AM
To: Toronto PerlMongers
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event

 

December is looming, and that means the Toronto Perl Mongers December Social
event should get organised.  This email is meant to stir up some discussion
so we can get the place and date settled in the next couple of weeks.

 

Last year we went to the Twisted Kilt on Yonge
http://www.thetwistedkilt.ca/.  Does anyone have any recommendations for
different / better venues?

 

What date would work best for people?  I am tempted to try for Thursday 2
December to avoid the crowding which happens later in the month.

 

How many people are interested in coming out for the December social?

 

Mike

 

-- 

 

Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>

http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

 

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.

 

 





 

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From talexb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 10:04:52 2010
From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:04:52 -0400
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event
In-Reply-To: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
References: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=WhMATbNN+ESA12ET2F3=_gMNyDOKx2jvi=JQX@mail.gmail.com>

The evening of Dec 2 works for me.

Alex

From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 10:11:52 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:11:52 -0400
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event
In-Reply-To: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
References: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikgk-ph6fAsfVedicX7eKAp2Wzq6PZo6DaD5w2P@mail.gmail.com>

Meh.  The beer selection isn't bad.  The food isn't great.  But it's great
redeeming feature is it's not too busy.  I'm cool with the location and the
date.

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

> December is looming, and that means the Toronto Perl Mongers December
> Social event should get organised.  This email is meant to stir up some
> discussion so we can get the place and date settled in the next couple of
> weeks.
>
> Last year we went to the Twisted Kilt on Yonge
> http://www.thetwistedkilt.ca/.  Does anyone have any recommendations for
> different / better venues?
>
> What date would work best for people?  I am tempted to try for Thursday 2
> December to avoid the crowding which happens later in the month.
>
> How many people are interested in coming out for the December social?
>
> Mike
>
> --
>
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/
>
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
>
>
>
>
>
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From mike at stok.ca  Mon Oct 25 18:10:35 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:10:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Meeting Thursday 28 October 2010
Message-ID: <9F2B3015-A7F2-4446-958A-7E3C5B93A27A@stok.ca>

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Details of this month's talk at http://to.pm.org/2010/10/28/The_Perl_Debugger_for_Power_Users.html

A talk about the Perl debugger sandwiched between a couple of short presentations.

Dave Doyle: Digging into CPAN
Postponed Lightning Talk.

Stuart Watt: The Perl Debugger for Power Users
Tricks for power users who want to get the most out of Perl's debugger. This might touch on performance exploration using Devel::NYTProf.

Tom Legrady: Pittsburgh Perl Workshop 2010
What happened at the Pittsburgh Perl Workshop 2010.  

Room will be put on the web site when known.

Location: 2 Bloor Street West, (usually) 8th or 16th floor. The room number will be announced on the mailing list a few days before the meeting. It will also be left with the security desk in the building (main floor lobby) shortly before the meeting starts (i.e. around 6pm).

Time: 6:45 p.m.

Directions: This building is on the north-west corner of Bloor and Yonge, accessible by subway from Bloor station. Pay parking is also ample in this area.

Security note: The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm to people without building access cards. Leading up to the meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every few minutes to ferry people upstairs. There will be a number of scheduled trips.

Mike     

- -- 

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http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.




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From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Oct 28 09:26:55 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:26:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Detecting whether a file is encoded as UTF8 or UTF16
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHQh_gnhBvWvceP8Rp0PpiKuPsUXxTTLvDGJfR@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a tried true method of detecting whether a file (or string)
is detected as UTF8 or UTF16?

I'm not talking about converting from one to the other, for that I'm aware
of ICONV, but I"m talking about simple detection, especially if the is
simply described as "data" by the 'file' command on the command line.

Thanks!

Bobby
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From indy at indigostar.com  Thu Oct 28 09:45:21 2010
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:45:21 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Detecting whether a file is encoded as UTF8 or UTF16
References: <AANLkTimHQh_gnhBvWvceP8Rp0PpiKuPsUXxTTLvDGJfR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <888BCE32744046FC9E19301D49B509EC@ROADKILL>

You could open the file in binary mode and look for the extra marker bytes at the beginning.  For example a UTF-8 file looks like this:
0000:0000  EF BB BF 61 62 63 0D 0A   ...abc.

Notice the three extra bytes.  Not sure about strings.

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J. Bobby Lopez 
  To: Toronto Perl Mongers 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:26 PM
  Subject: [tpm] Detecting whether a file is encoded as UTF8 or UTF16


  Does anyone have a tried true method of detecting whether a file (or string) is detected as UTF8 or UTF16?

  I'm not talking about converting from one to the other, for that I'm aware of ICONV, but I"m talking about simple detection, especially if the is simply described as "data" by the 'file' command on the command line.

  Thanks!

  Bobby



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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct 28 10:57:38 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:57:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API
Message-ID: <D046D95B-6A96-44E3-A2DC-7798F736F1E2@vilerichard.com>

Just a reminder to the folks interested in working on a CPAN API that we were going to chat about this during the social portion of the evening tonight.  If you haven't yet had a chance, you want to have a look at http://www.elasticsearch.com/

Olaf
--
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olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Oct 28 12:28:31 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:28:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API
In-Reply-To: <D046D95B-6A96-44E3-A2DC-7798F736F1E2@vilerichard.com>
References: <D046D95B-6A96-44E3-A2DC-7798F736F1E2@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NW1efQabvoHNNq1vbumFSgMtZmVio6w7yKDsh@mail.gmail.com>

Looks very flexible... once it's setup up correctly it seems all that needs
doing is to write some code to generate json datastructures which contain
the data you want to index, and then just feed it to a single node (for
initial population)..

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Olaf Alders <olaf at vilerichard.com> wrote:

> Just a reminder to the folks interested in working on a CPAN API that we
> were going to chat about this during the social portion of the evening
> tonight.  If you haven't yet had a chance, you want to have a look at
> http://www.elasticsearch.com/
>
> Olaf
> --
> Olaf Alders
> olaf at vilerichard.com
>
> http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
> http://twitter.com/vilerichard
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
>
>
>
>
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Thu Oct 28 12:43:08 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:43:08 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=NW1efQabvoHNNq1vbumFSgMtZmVio6w7yKDsh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D046D95B-6A96-44E3-A2DC-7798F736F1E2@vilerichard.com>
	<AANLkTi=NW1efQabvoHNNq1vbumFSgMtZmVio6w7yKDsh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01BFC31C-7CBD-4D1E-A2D1-EE7AE34C1A3B@vilerichard.com>


On 2010-10-28, at 3:28 PM, J. Bobby Lopez wrote:

> Looks very flexible... once it's setup up correctly it seems all that needs doing is to write some code to generate json datastructures which contain the data you want to index, and then just feed it to a single node (for initial population)..
> 

Once we figure out what the API should do (and look like), the heavy lifting would be writing all of the scripts to create the data structures.  Dave has been doing a lot of work with his own mirror of the CPAN, so he'll have some helpful information for us.  

On a related note, I'm having problems finding a memory leak in a script that extracts the module packages, so I'm looking forward to hearing about the debugger tonight.  :)

Olaf
--
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olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
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From stuart at morungos.com  Thu Oct 28 12:47:25 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:47:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API
In-Reply-To: <01BFC31C-7CBD-4D1E-A2D1-EE7AE34C1A3B@vilerichard.com>
References: <D046D95B-6A96-44E3-A2DC-7798F736F1E2@vilerichard.com>	<AANLkTi=NW1efQabvoHNNq1vbumFSgMtZmVio6w7yKDsh@mail.gmail.com>
	<01BFC31C-7CBD-4D1E-A2D1-EE7AE34C1A3B@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <4CC9D34D.10609@morungos.com>

So no pressure then?  I have done a little memory leak debugging in the 
past - we had a seriously nasty one - and I'll see I can remember what I 
actually did about it.

--S

On 10/28/2010 3:43 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:
> On a related note, I'm having problems finding a memory leak in a script that extracts the module packages, so I'm looking forward to hearing about the debugger tonight.  :)
>
> Olaf


From mike at stok.ca  Fri Oct 29 06:48:46 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:48:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] December Social Event
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikgk-ph6fAsfVedicX7eKAp2Wzq6PZo6DaD5w2P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76A8E3C4-9869-433D-9572-EF745DCB1F10@stok.ca>
	<AANLkTikgk-ph6fAsfVedicX7eKAp2Wzq6PZo6DaD5w2P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEEE8171-6726-4B79-B864-1C406F908D70@stok.ca>

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This was discussed at last night's meeting, and the majority of people there were OK with Thursday 2 December, so I intend to book the back room at the Twisted Kilt for 15 people for 7:00 pm onward for 2 December over the weekend.

If you think there is a better time or venue then speak up now!

Mike

On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Dave Doyle wrote:

> Meh.  The beer selection isn't bad.  The food isn't great.  But it's great redeeming feature is it's not too busy.  I'm cool with the location and the date.
> 
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:
> December is looming, and that means the Toronto Perl Mongers December Social event should get organised.  This email is meant to stir up some discussion so we can get the place and date settled in the next couple of weeks.
> 
> Last year we went to the Twisted Kilt on Yonge http://www.thetwistedkilt.ca/.  Does anyone have any recommendations for different / better venues?
> 
> What date would work best for people?  I am tempted to try for Thursday 2 December to avoid the crowding which happens later in the month.
> 
> How many people are interested in coming out for the December social?
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/
> 
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jztam at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 08:25:29 2010
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] New unfamiliar Windoze error. `perl -V` emits: "16 bit MS-DOS
	Subsystem"
In-Reply-To: <4CC9D34D.10609@morungos.com>
Message-ID: <368038.29034.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Lads, Lasses, 
BACKGROUND:

WindowsXPProSp3 ; ActiveStatePerl5.8.8 BUILD 822 ; cygwin ; 




ISSUE:
This is the first time I have ever seen this Windows dialogue - when running 'perl -V' from the DOS prompt.

ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS:
Not much found online.? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.? 
Maybe it's fallout from 
a botched package install, or
undesired MS Patch Tuesday effects. . . ugh, or 
an UnPatched Adobe product, 
or ???.
All of McAfee ; HiJackThis ; sfc /scannow,? eventvwr, regedt32
? ? ?? reveal nothing insightful.

When the dialog pops up, I click on "Ignore" and it actually returns with the usual output.

---------------------------
16 bit MS-DOS Subsystem
---------------------------
cmd24 - perl -V
The NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction.
CS:0e6c IP:fff0 OP:fe ff 1e 09 08 Choose 'Close' to terminate the application.
---------------------------
Close?? Ignore?? 
---------------------------

#Click on Ignore,? and the output is rather normal as pasted below:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.


d:\home\itjdt\? perldoc File::Find
cygwin warning:
? MS-DOS style path detected: C:\DOCUME~1\itjdt\LOCALS~1\Temp\perldoc_FileFind_T
4ccae05b_11d892.txt
? Preferred POSIX equivalent is: /cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/itjdt/LOCALS~1/Temp/perldo
c_FileFind_T4ccae05b_11d892.txt
? CYGWIN environment variable option "nodosfilewarning" turns off this warning.
? Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths:
??? http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames

d:\home\itjdt\? perldoc? Devel::Dump
No documentation found for "Devel::Dump".

d:\home\itjdt\? perl -V
Set up gcc environment -
Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration:
? Platform:
??? osname=MSWin32, osvers=5.00, archname=MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
??? uname=''
??? config_args='undef'
??? hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=undef
??? usethreads=define use5005threads=undef useithreads=define usemultiplicity=de
fine
??? useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef
??? use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=undef
??? usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef
? Compiler:
??? cc='gcc', ccflags ='-DNDEBUG -DWIN32 -D_CONSOLE -DNO_STRICT -DHAVE_DES_FCRYP
T -DNO_HASH_SEED -DUSE_SITECUSTOMIZE -DPRIVLIB_LAST_IN_INC -DPERL_IMPLICIT_CONTE
XT -DPERL_IMPLICIT_SYS -DUSE_PERLIO -DPERL_MSVCRT_READFIX -DHASATTRIBUTE -fno-st
rict-aliasing',
??? optimize='-O2',
??? cppflags='-DWIN32'
??? ccversion='', gccversion='undef', gccosandvers=''
??? intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234
??? d_longlong=undef, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=8
??? ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='double', nvsize=8, Off_t='__int64', lseeksi
ze=8
??? alignbytes=8, prototype=define
? Linker and Libraries:
??? ld='g++', ldflags ='-L"D:\Perl\lib\CORE"'
??? libpth=\lib
??? libs=-lkernel32 -luser32 -lgdi32 -lwinspool -lcomdlg32 -ladvapi32 -lshell32
-lole32 -loleaut32 -lnetapi32 -luuid -lws2_32 -lmpr -lwinmm -lversion -lodbc32 -
lodbccp32 -lmsvcrt
??? perllibs=-lkernel32 -luser32 -lgdi32 -lwinspool -lcomdlg32 -ladvapi32 -lshel
l32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -lnetapi32 -luuid -lws2_32 -lmpr -lwinmm -lversion -lodbc
32 -lodbccp32 -lmsvcrt
??? libc=msvcrt.lib, so=dll, useshrplib=true, libperl=perl58.lib
??? gnulibc_version=''
? Dynamic Linking:
??? dlsrc=dl_win32.xs, dlext=dll, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' '
??? cccdlflags=' ', lddlflags='-mdll -L"D:\Perl\lib\CORE"'


Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
? Compile-time options: MULTIPLICITY PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT
??????????????????????? PERL_IMPLICIT_SYS PERL_MALLOC_WRAP
??????????????????????? PL_OP_SLAB_ALLOC USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES
??????????????????????? USE_PERLIO USE_SITECUSTOMIZE
? Locally applied patches:
??????? ActivePerl Build 822 [280952]
??????? Iin_load_module moved for compatibility with build 806
??????? PerlEx support in CGI::Carp
??????? Less verbose ExtUtils::Install and Pod::Find
??????? Patch for CAN-2005-0448 from Debian with modifications
??????? Rearrange @INC so that 'site' is searched before 'perl'
??????? Partly reverted 24733 to preserve binary compatibility
??????? MAINT31223 plus additional changes
??????? 31490 Problem bootstraping Win32CORE
??????? 31324 Fix DynaLoader::dl_findfile() to locate .so files again
??????? 31214 Win32::GetLastError fails when first called
??????? 31211 Restore Windows NT support
??????? 31188 Problem killing a pseudo-forked child on Win32
??????? 29732 ANSIfy the PATH environment variable on Windows
??????? 27527,29868 win32_async_check() can loop indefinitely
??????? 26970 Make Passive mode the default for Net::FTP
??????? 26379 Fix alarm() for Windows 2003
??????? 24699 ICMP_UNREACHABLE handling in Net::Ping
? Built under MSWin32
? Compiled at Jul 31 2007 19:34:48
? %ENV:
??? PERLDOC_PAGER="less"
? @INC:
??? D:/Perl/site/lib
??? D:/Perl/lib
??? .

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From indy at indigostar.com  Fri Oct 29 09:00:35 2010
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:00:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] New unfamiliar Windoze error. `perl -V` emits: "16 bit
	MS-DOSSubsystem"
References: <368038.29034.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6A4592EB6672460CA188A050E32B3C52@ROADKILL>

You say your environment is cygwin and you also you are using the DOS 
prompt.  Are really running from a dos prompt or from a cygwin shell? 
Run the program from a DOS command shell to eliminate one variable.

Try the fix on this Microsoft page and see if that helps to fix the '16 
bit MS-DOS Subsystem' error:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314452

Next option is to reinstall Active Perl.  You won't find 5.8.8 on the 
download page so you can go with 5.8.9 or 5.10.1 or 5.12.2.  The 5.12.2 
build has some problems such as the fact that it does not build the Tk 
module.

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: J Z Tam
To: toronto-pm at pm.org
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: [tpm] New unfamiliar Windoze error. `perl -V` emits: "16 bit 
MS-DOSSubsystem"


Lads, Lasses,
BACKGROUND:
WindowsXPProSp3 ; ActiveStatePerl5.8.8 BUILD 822 ; cygwin ;


ISSUE:
This is the first time I have ever seen this Windows dialogue - when 
running 'perl -V' from the DOS prompt.

ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS:
Not much found online.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.
Maybe it's fallout from
a botched package install, or
undesired MS Patch Tuesday effects. . . ugh, or
an UnPatched Adobe product,
or ???.
All of McAfee ; HiJackThis ; sfc /scannow,  eventvwr, regedt32
       reveal nothing insightful.

When the dialog pops up, I click on "Ignore" and it actually returns 
with the usual output.

---------------------------
16 bit MS-DOS Subsystem
---------------------------
cmd24 - perl -V
The NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction.
CS:0e6c IP:fff0 OP:fe ff 1e 09 08 Choose 'Close' to terminate the 
application.
---------------------------
Close   Ignore
---------------------------

#Click on Ignore,  and the output is rather normal as pasted below:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.


d:\home\itjdt\  perldoc File::Find
cygwin warning:
  MS-DOS style path detected: 
C:\DOCUME~1\itjdt\LOCALS~1\Temp\perldoc_FileFind_T
4ccae05b_11d892.txt
  Preferred POSIX equivalent is: 
/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/itjdt/LOCALS~1/Temp/perldo
c_FileFind_T4ccae05b_11d892.txt
  CYGWIN environment variable option "nodosfilewarning" turns off this 
warning.
  Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths:
    http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames

d:\home\itjdt\  perldoc  Devel::Dump
No documentation found for "Devel::Dump".

d:\home\itjdt\  perl -V
Set up gcc environment -
Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration:
  Platform:
    osname=MSWin32, osvers=5.00, archname=MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
    uname=''
    config_args='undef'
    hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=undef
    usethreads=define use5005threads=undef useithreads=define 
usemultiplicity=de
fine
    useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef
    use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=undef
    usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef
  Compiler:
    cc='gcc', ccflags 
='-DNDEBUG -DWIN32 -D_CONSOLE -DNO_STRICT -DHAVE_DES_FCRYP
T -DNO_HASH_SEED -DUSE_SITECUSTOMIZE -DPRIVLIB_LAST_IN_INC -DPERL_IMPLICIT_CONTE
XT -DPERL_IMPLICIT_SYS -DUSE_PERLIO -DPERL_MSVCRT_READFIX -DHASATTRIBUTE 
 -fno-st
rict-aliasing',
    optimize='-O2',
    cppflags='-DWIN32'
    ccversion='', gccversion='undef', gccosandvers=''
    intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234
    d_longlong=undef, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=8
    ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='double', nvsize=8, Off_t='__int64', 
lseeksi
ze=8
    alignbytes=8, prototype=define
  Linker and Libraries:
    ld='g++', ldflags ='-L"D:\Perl\lib\CORE"'
    libpth=\lib
    libs=-lkernel32 -luser32 -lgdi32 -lwinspool -lcomdlg32 -ladvapi32 -lshell32
-lole32 -loleaut32 -lnetapi32 -luuid -lws2_32 -lmpr -lwinmm -lversion -lodbc32 
 -
lodbccp32 -lmsvcrt
    perllibs=-lkernel32 -luser32 -lgdi32 -lwinspool -lcomdlg32 -ladvapi32 
 -lshel
l32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -lnetapi32 -luuid -lws2_32 -lmpr -lwinmm -lversion 
 -lodbc
32 -lodbccp32 -lmsvcrt
    libc=msvcrt.lib, so=dll, useshrplib=true, libperl=perl58.lib
    gnulibc_version=''
  Dynamic Linking:
    dlsrc=dl_win32.xs, dlext=dll, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' '
    cccdlflags=' ', lddlflags='-mdll -L"D:\Perl\lib\CORE"'


Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
  Compile-time options: MULTIPLICITY PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT
                        PERL_IMPLICIT_SYS PERL_MALLOC_WRAP
                        PL_OP_SLAB_ALLOC USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES
                        USE_PERLIO USE_SITECUSTOMIZE
  Locally applied patches:
        ActivePerl Build 822 [280952]
        Iin_load_module moved for compatibility with build 806
        PerlEx support in CGI::Carp
        Less verbose ExtUtils::Install and Pod::Find
        Patch for CAN-2005-0448 from Debian with modifications
        Rearrange @INC so that 'site' is searched before 'perl'
        Partly reverted 24733 to preserve binary compatibility
        MAINT31223 plus additional changes
        31490 Problem bootstraping Win32CORE
        31324 Fix DynaLoader::dl_findfile() to locate .so files again
        31214 Win32::GetLastError fails when first called
        31211 Restore Windows NT support
        31188 Problem killing a pseudo-forked child on Win32
        29732 ANSIfy the PATH environment variable on Windows
        27527,29868 win32_async_check() can loop indefinitely
        26970 Make Passive mode the default for Net::FTP
        26379 Fix alarm() for Windows 2003
        24699 ICMP_UNREACHABLE handling in Net::Ping
  Built under MSWin32
  Compiled at Jul 31 2007 19:34:48
  %ENV:
    PERLDOC_PAGER="less"
  @INC:
    D:/Perl/site/lib
    D:/Perl/lib
    .

d:\home\itjdt\








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From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Fri Oct 29 09:06:41 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:41 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API - Notes from last night's brainstorm
Message-ID: <22B86627-02CA-45A4-BC1C-A38AA1704B47@communitybandwidth.ca>


Notes from the great conversation last night about the CPAN API:
http://github.com/oalders/iCPAN/wiki/Web-service

Would be great to get up an Ironman post (or three) about the brainstorm and to bounce it off the larger Perl community.  :)

--
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www.communitybandwidth.ca   //   www.phillipadsmith.com








From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Oct 29 12:26:28 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:26:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)
Message-ID: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>

For those of you where were unable to attend last night, we felt we had quorum to make some decisions in order to get things moving for next year's workshop.  Our working title is "Freshwater Perl" (Freshwater::Perl?) and we're looking to target a date in early April (avoiding religious holidays).  I'm going to set up a Github organization and send out details to the list probably very late tonight.  In the meantime, if you'd like to help out but do not have a Github account, you can so at any point and email me your Github username.

Accounts are free for open source projects:

https://github.com/

And, of course, you'll want to set up your "Globally Recognized Avatar" while you're at it.  :)

http://en.gravatar.com/

I'll post more info on Freshwater Perl later as well as some setup info for the CPAN API as was discussed last night as well.  Phillip has already posted the minutes, so that's a very good start.  I'd suggest checking those out to get an idea of where we're at with the API project.

Olaf
--
Olaf Alders
olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 





From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 13:22:46 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:22:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>
References: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxzEKRRkOOzOYVrs6CoNMqyykk9Kg+wXUAC-A6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm happy with Freshwater Perl.

I'll just throw this out for fun.  If this is in early April:

Perl::Thaw

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Olaf Alders <olaf at vilerichard.com> wrote:

> For those of you where were unable to attend last night, we felt we had
> quorum to make some decisions in order to get things moving for next year's
> workshop.  Our working title is "Freshwater Perl" (Freshwater::Perl?) and
> we're looking to target a date in early April (avoiding religious holidays).
>  I'm going to set up a Github organization and send out details to the list
> probably very late tonight.  In the meantime, if you'd like to help out but
> do not have a Github account, you can so at any point and email me your
> Github username.
>
> Accounts are free for open source projects:
>
> https://github.com/
>
> And, of course, you'll want to set up your "Globally Recognized Avatar"
> while you're at it.  :)
>
> http://en.gravatar.com/
>
> I'll post more info on Freshwater Perl later as well as some setup info for
> the CPAN API as was discussed last night as well.  Phillip has already
> posted the minutes, so that's a very good start.  I'd suggest checking those
> out to get an idea of where we're at with the API project.
>
> Olaf
> --
> Olaf Alders
> olaf at vilerichard.com
>
> http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
> http://twitter.com/vilerichard
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
>
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From ioncache at rogers.com  Fri Oct 29 17:05:12 2010
From: ioncache at rogers.com (Mark Jubenville)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:05:12 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>
References: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <016801cb77c6$1fa68db0$5ef3a910$@com>

Olaf delegated to me the task of setting up the Github organization for
Freshwater Perl.

I've made the following people owners so far:
Olaf Alders
Dave Doyle
Phillip Smith
J. Bobby Lopez

Mainly because those are people whose github account names I knew.

Anyone else that wants to be added to the organization can send any of us an
email with your github account name and we can add you to it.

There is automatically a newsfeed setup for the organization at:
https://github.com/organizations/Freshwater-Perl/ioncache.private.atom?token
=6e4a428f3a7c1538b5d8cfac39d0c19f

I've set the email address for the organization to: tpm at to.pm.org for the
moment.  If for some reason we want to use another one, we can set it up
later.

I haven't setup any actual repositories in the organization yet, we can do
that later as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: toronto-pm-bounces+ioncache=rogers.com at pm.org
[mailto:toronto-pm-bounces+ioncache=rogers.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Olaf
Alders
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 3:26 PM
To: Toronto PerlMongers
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)

For those of you where were unable to attend last night, we felt we had
quorum to make some decisions in order to get things moving for next year's
workshop.  Our working title is "Freshwater Perl" (Freshwater::Perl?) and
we're looking to target a date in early April (avoiding religious holidays).
I'm going to set up a Github organization and send out details to the list
probably very late tonight.  In the meantime, if you'd like to help out but
do not have a Github account, you can so at any point and email me your
Github username.

Accounts are free for open source projects:

https://github.com/

And, of course, you'll want to set up your "Globally Recognized Avatar"
while you're at it.  :)

http://en.gravatar.com/

I'll post more info on Freshwater Perl later as well as some setup info for
the CPAN API as was discussed last night as well.  Phillip has already
posted the minutes, so that's a very good start.  I'd suggest checking those
out to get an idea of where we're at with the API project.

Olaf
--
Olaf Alders
olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 




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From jkeen at verizon.net  Fri Oct 29 18:25:23 2010
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:25:23 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <016801cb77c6$1fa68db0$5ef3a910$@com>
References: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>
	<016801cb77c6$1fa68db0$5ef3a910$@com>
Message-ID: <DAF75CA8-CDE7-4303-BBE9-D37175B8F55D@verizon.net>


On Oct 29, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Mark Jubenville wrote:

> Olaf delegated to me the task of setting up the Github organization  
> for
> Freshwater Perl.
>
> I've made the following people owners so far:
> Olaf Alders
> Dave Doyle
> Phillip Smith
> J. Bobby Lopez


Mark, can you explain what a github 'organization' is?  Is there a  
difference between 'owners' of an organization and 'members'?  Is  
this something more than a mailing list for the conference?

Thank you very much.

Jim Keenan


From ioncache at rogers.com  Fri Oct 29 19:22:17 2010
From: ioncache at rogers.com (Mark Jubenville)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:22:17 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <DAF75CA8-CDE7-4303-BBE9-D37175B8F55D@verizon.net>
References: <A5F28B4E-A93D-4246-AE75-B23CDCCB2813@vilerichard.com>
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Github organizations are a fairly new invention of the Github people.
Bascially it's a way to share repos with a bunch of people without having to
make a separate Github account and then add collaborators to that account.
It lets you organize the members into teams, and then you can assign
different teams access to different repos.

'Owners', from the github owners page:
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Special rules for the Owners team

Owners have full access to all repositories and have admin rights to the
organization.

Owners can change billing info and cancel organization accounts.

Owners do not receive notifications for the organization's repos by default.
To receive notifications, create a team and add the owners and repos for
which notifications are desired.
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I figured since there aren't that many of us, and we all know each other we
would all just be owners of the organization.  We can also add people teams
in the organization that aren't owners if we want to give them access to
specific repos.

Once we have a repo setup we can then form a team and assign ourselves to
it.

Actually I've just set up a repo in the organization for planning purposes.


-----Original Message-----
From: James E Keenan [mailto:jkeen at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:25 PM
To: Mark Jubenville
Cc: 'Toronto PerlMongers'
Subject: Re: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)


On Oct 29, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Mark Jubenville wrote:

> Olaf delegated to me the task of setting up the Github organization  
> for
> Freshwater Perl.
>
> I've made the following people owners so far:
> Olaf Alders
> Dave Doyle
> Phillip Smith
> J. Bobby Lopez


Mark, can you explain what a github 'organization' is?  Is there a  
difference between 'owners' of an organization and 'members'?  Is  
this something more than a mailing list for the conference?

Thank you very much.

Jim Keenan


From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Oct 29 21:37:46 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:37:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Freshwater Perl 2011 (was: Perl Workshop)
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On 2010-10-29, at 9:25 PM, James E Keenan wrote:

> Mark, can you explain what a github 'organization' is?  Is there a difference between 'owners' of an organization and 'members'?  Is this something more than a mailing list for the conference?
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Jim Keenan


Hi Jim,

The idea was that rather than messing around with installing a Wiki, we could use Github as a hosted Wiki which we could all edit with minimal setup.  On that note, I've created a couple of bare bones pages in the Wiki, which need to be added to:

http://github.com/Freshwater-Perl/Freshwater-Planning/wiki

Phillip has posted a few thoughts on Git wikis which are helpful for getting started:

http://blogs.perl.org/users/phillip_smith/2010/08/git-backed-wikis-gollum-and-simple-installation-experiences.html

Best,

Olaf
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Oct 29 22:15:54 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:15:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API: new github home and wiki
Message-ID: <BDA0E449-76FF-4664-80E4-F32040C550D8@vilerichard.com>

Mark set up a CPAN API organization this evening as well:

http://github.com/CPAN-API
http://github.com/CPAN-API/cpan-api/wiki

If you'd like to be added to this project just contact Mark or me with your Github username.  I'll be setting up a mailing list + cloud instance over the weekend.  At that point we'll move discussion off this list, but I wanted to make everyone aware of this in the meantime.  I've moved Phillip's notes over from the iCPAN wiki to this new wiki.

Olaf
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Sun Oct 31 19:14:34 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:14:34 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CPAN API mailing list
Message-ID: <D2286C4C-1737-415E-9B4E-52ED6740F05F@vilerichard.com>

Hi Everyone,

I've just created a mailing list for discussion of the CPAN API.  Any "owners" of the CPAN API Github organization have been added automatically.  Anyone else can sign up here:

http://groups.google.com/group/cpan-api

Olaf
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