From arocker at vex.net  Sun Feb  1 08:10:14 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:10:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] Has anybody heard of these people?
Message-ID: <d9df04563069fbc74facb3373af9ee53.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


http://www.uwinpro.com/

(The usual apologies to anyone in more than one set of addressees.)


From samogon at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 15:38:51 2009
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:38:51 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Log::Log4perl with multiple files
Message-ID: <e66444870902041538rb095d96ra0a6aed8a5c481d7@mail.gmail.com>

Currently I use Log::Log4perl to log all debug/warn/info/error
messages to a single file. I'd like to use l4p to log to separate
files. The filename should be determined based on the category I pass
to Log::Log4perl->get_logger.

>From the docs it seems I would have to manually setup l4p categories
in the configuration file.
ie.:
    log4perl.category.Bar.Twix         = DEBUG, TwixLogfile
    log4perl.appender.TwixLogfile          = Log::Log4perl::Appender::File
    log4perl.appender.TwixLogfile.filename = twix.log
    log4perl.category.Bar.Mars         = WARN, MarsLogfile
    log4perl.appender.MarsLogfile          = Log::Log4perl::Appender::File
    log4perl.appender.MarsLogfile.filename = mars.log

But I don't want to setup a hundred different categories.

So what I'm looking for is a custom Appender that enables syntax such as:
  log4perl.rootLogger=DEBUG, LOGFILE
  log4perl.appender.LOGFILE=Log::Log4perl::Appender::AutoFile
  log4perl.appender.LOGFILE.container=logs

Log::Log4perl::Appender::AutoFile would automatically write to a log
file in the "logs" directory.

eg. Log::Log4perl->get_logger('Bar::Twix') would log to logs/bar.twix.log

Does someone have experience with Log::Log4perl in this capacity? Is
there another module I should look into?

I found a similar request on the log4perl-devel mailing list but it
goes back to 2007
http://www.mail-archive.com/log4perl-devel at lists.sourceforge.net/msg00084.html

ilia.

From samogon at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 07:29:04 2009
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:29:04 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
Message-ID: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>

I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
currency into a decimal.

The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on various
input like:
$65,345.89
$65.345,89
$24,969.00(txincl.)
$24,969.00*

any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
should be removed.

Any takers?

ilia.

From samogon at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 10:18:34 2009
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:18:34 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
In-Reply-To: <A4009FD16AD3498594E756528CFEC132@ROADKILL>
References: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3EA4F3E4AF49529C356833E3BB80E9@ROADKILL>
	<e66444870902050828k7aaec230kf1910fe5153e66e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<A4009FD16AD3498594E756528CFEC132@ROADKILL>
Message-ID: <e66444870902051018w7effba3by49eda0d5e31bf5c5@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice Indy! Still don't think this deserves to be a module on CPAN?

ilia.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com> wrote:
> I missed that one.  Here is a more comprehensive solution that deals with
> your test cases.  It guesses the format based on the string, however there
> are cases that are ambiguous.  For a full solution you would need to feed in
> information as to the decimal separator based on locale.
>
> Here are the cases that could be a problem:
> $123.456 can be considered as 123.456 or 123456.00
> $123,456 can be considered as 123.456 or 123456.00
>
> If I missed anything, I leave it as an exercise to the reader.
>
> currency('$65,345.89');             # case 1
> currency('$65.345,89');             # case 2
> currency('$24,969.00(txincl.)');    # case 3
> currency('$24,969.00*');            # case 4
>
> currency('$123,456,789');           # case 5    whole number
> currency('$123.456.789');           # case 6    whole number
>
> currency('$123,456');           # case 7
> currency('$123.456');           # case 8
>
>
> sub currency
> {
>   my ($x) = @_;
>   my ($c) = $x =~ /([0-9\.,]+)/;      # this gets any sequence of digits,
> periods, and commas
>
>   my @p = $c =~ /([,\.])/g;           # get a list of puncuation characters
> (, or .)
>
>
>   if (@p == 1 && @p[0] eq '.') {
>       # string has just one period, assume it is a decimal seperator
>   }
>   elsif (@p == 1 &&  @p[0] eq ',') {
>       # string has just one comma, assume it is a decimal seperator, replace
> with period
>       $c =~ s/,/./;
>   }
>   elsif (@p > 1  &&  @p[@p-1] ne @p[0] && @p[@p-1] eq '.') {
>       # case 1, 3, 4
>       $c =~ s/,//g;
>   }
>   elsif (@p > 1 &&  @p[@p-1] ne @p[0] && @p[@p-1] eq ',') {
>       # case 2
>       $c =~ s/\.//g;
>       $c =~ s/,/./;
>   }
>   else {
>       # no puncutation or multiple punctuation characters all the same
>       # case 5 or 6
>       $c =~ s/\.//g;
>       $c =~ s/,//g;
>   }
>   print "$x -> $c\n";
> }
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Indy Singh
> IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilia" <samogon at gmail.com>
> To: "Indy Singh" <indy at indigostar.com>; <tpm at to.pm.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [tpm] currency deformatter
>
>
>> 1..4
>> ok 1 - fixup $65,345.89
>> not ok 2 - fixup $65.345,89
>> #   Failed test 'fixup $65.345,89'
>> #   at agency_fix_contract_value.t line 18.
>> #          got: '65.34589'
>> #     expected: '65345.89'
>> ok 3 - fixup $65,345.89(txincl.)
>> ok 4 - fixup $65,345.89*
>> # Looks like you failed 1 test of 4.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The code below will do what you want for your test cases.  I'm not sure
>>> that
>>> two lines of code justifies a whole module.
>>>
>>> $x = '$24,969.00(txincl.)';
>>> ($c) = $x =~ /([0-9\.,]+)/;
>>> $c =~ s/,//g;
>>> print "$x -> $c\n";
>>>
>>> Indy Singh
>>> IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilia" <samogon at gmail.com>
>>> To: <tpm at to.pm.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:29 AM
>>> Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
>>>> currency into a decimal.
>>>>
>>>> The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on various
>>>> input like:
>>>> $65,345.89
>>>> $65.345,89
>>>> $24,969.00(txincl.)
>>>> $24,969.00*
>>>>
>>>> any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
>>>> should be removed.
>>>>
>>>> Any takers?
>>>>
>>>> ilia.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> toronto-pm mailing list
>>>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ilia Lobsanov
>> Nurey Networks - http://www.nurey.com
>> New Ideas for a New Economy
>> Python, Perl, Java, Linux & more
>> Toronto +1 647 996 9087
>> Boston +1 781 328 1162
>
>



-- 
Ilia Lobsanov
Nurey Networks - http://www.nurey.com
New Ideas for a New Economy
Python, Perl, Java, Linux & more
Toronto +1 647 996 9087
Boston +1 781 328 1162

From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 08:55:42 2009
From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:55:42 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
In-Reply-To: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77f3972e0902050855k79f71d0cnad5efac49972e5f0@mail.gmail.com>

[Reply to all]

$x = '$65,345.89zzzzzz';
if ($x =~ /\$([\d,.+-]+)/) { $y = $1 }

(Obviously you can be more sophisticated with the match.)

There's probably a FAQ for this, but I'm lazy today.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Ilia <samogon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
> currency into a decimal.
>
> The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on various
> input like:
> $65,345.89
> $65.345,89
> $24,969.00(txincl.)
> $24,969.00*
>
> any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
> should be removed.
>
> Any takers?
>
> ilia.
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>



-- 
-QM
Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of
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From indy at indigostar.com  Thu Feb  5 09:19:25 2009
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:19:25 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
References: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3EA4F3E4AF49529C356833E3BB80E9@ROADKILL>
	<e66444870902050828k7aaec230kf1910fe5153e66e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4009FD16AD3498594E756528CFEC132@ROADKILL>

I missed that one.  Here is a more comprehensive solution that deals 
with your test cases.  It guesses the format based on the string, 
however there are cases that are ambiguous.  For a full solution you 
would need to feed in information as to the decimal separator based on 
locale.

Here are the cases that could be a problem:
$123.456 can be considered as 123.456 or 123456.00
$123,456 can be considered as 123.456 or 123456.00

 If I missed anything, I leave it as an exercise to the reader.

currency('$65,345.89');             # case 1
currency('$65.345,89');             # case 2
currency('$24,969.00(txincl.)');    # case 3
currency('$24,969.00*');            # case 4

currency('$123,456,789');           # case 5    whole number
currency('$123.456.789');           # case 6    whole number

currency('$123,456');           # case 7
currency('$123.456');           # case 8


sub currency
{
    my ($x) = @_;
    my ($c) = $x =~ /([0-9\.,]+)/;      # this gets any sequence of 
digits, periods, and commas

    my @p = $c =~ /([,\.])/g;           # get a list of puncuation 
characters (, or .)


    if (@p == 1 && @p[0] eq '.') {
        # string has just one period, assume it is a decimal seperator
    }
    elsif (@p == 1 &&  @p[0] eq ',') {
        # string has just one comma, assume it is a decimal seperator, 
replace with period
        $c =~ s/,/./;
    }
    elsif (@p > 1  &&  @p[@p-1] ne @p[0] && @p[@p-1] eq '.') {
        # case 1, 3, 4
        $c =~ s/,//g;
    }
    elsif (@p > 1 &&  @p[@p-1] ne @p[0] && @p[@p-1] eq ',') {
        # case 2
        $c =~ s/\.//g;
        $c =~ s/,/./;
    }
    else {
        # no puncutation or multiple punctuation characters all the same
        # case 5 or 6
        $c =~ s/\.//g;
        $c =~ s/,//g;
    }
    print "$x -> $c\n";
}






Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ilia" <samogon at gmail.com>
To: "Indy Singh" <indy at indigostar.com>; <tpm at to.pm.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [tpm] currency deformatter


> 1..4
> ok 1 - fixup $65,345.89
> not ok 2 - fixup $65.345,89
> #   Failed test 'fixup $65.345,89'
> #   at agency_fix_contract_value.t line 18.
> #          got: '65.34589'
> #     expected: '65345.89'
> ok 3 - fixup $65,345.89(txincl.)
> ok 4 - fixup $65,345.89*
> # Looks like you failed 1 test of 4.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com> 
> wrote:
>> The code below will do what you want for your test cases.  I'm not 
>> sure that
>> two lines of code justifies a whole module.
>>
>> $x = '$24,969.00(txincl.)';
>> ($c) = $x =~ /([0-9\.,]+)/;
>> $c =~ s/,//g;
>> print "$x -> $c\n";
>>
>> Indy Singh
>> IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilia" <samogon at gmail.com>
>> To: <tpm at to.pm.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:29 AM
>> Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
>>
>>
>>> I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
>>> currency into a decimal.
>>>
>>> The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on 
>>> various
>>> input like:
>>> $65,345.89
>>> $65.345,89
>>> $24,969.00(txincl.)
>>> $24,969.00*
>>>
>>> any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
>>> should be removed.
>>>
>>> Any takers?
>>>
>>> ilia.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> toronto-pm mailing list
>>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Ilia Lobsanov
> Nurey Networks - http://www.nurey.com
> New Ideas for a New Economy
> Python, Perl, Java, Linux & more
> Toronto +1 647 996 9087
> Boston +1 781 328 1162 


From samogon at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 07:59:14 2009
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:59:14 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
In-Reply-To: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e66444870902050759l755b15f0g8bca4ccf3219ceb1@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a test to get started...

use strict;
use Test::More tests=>4;
my @got_data = (
'$65,345.89',
'$65.345,89',
'$65,345.89(txincl.)',
'$65,345.89*',
);
my $expected = '65345.89';

foreach my $got ( @got_data ) {
    is(fixup_currency($got), $expected, "fixup $got");
}


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Ilia <samogon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
> currency into a decimal.
>
> The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on various
> input like:
> $65,345.89
> $65.345,89
> $24,969.00(txincl.)
> $24,969.00*
>
> any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
> should be removed.
>
> Any takers?
>
> ilia.
>



-- 
Ilia Lobsanov
Nurey Networks - http://www.nurey.com
New Ideas for a New Economy
Python, Perl, Java, Linux & more
Toronto +1 647 996 9087
Boston +1 781 328 1162

From arocker at vex.net  Thu Feb  5 11:50:46 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:50:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] March meeting
Message-ID: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


I think we have February organised, but is there anything in the schedule
for March and subsequent months?


From samogon at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 08:28:04 2009
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:28:04 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
In-Reply-To: <4A3EA4F3E4AF49529C356833E3BB80E9@ROADKILL>
References: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3EA4F3E4AF49529C356833E3BB80E9@ROADKILL>
Message-ID: <e66444870902050828k7aaec230kf1910fe5153e66e1@mail.gmail.com>

1..4
ok 1 - fixup $65,345.89
not ok 2 - fixup $65.345,89
#   Failed test 'fixup $65.345,89'
#   at agency_fix_contract_value.t line 18.
#          got: '65.34589'
#     expected: '65345.89'
ok 3 - fixup $65,345.89(txincl.)
ok 4 - fixup $65,345.89*
# Looks like you failed 1 test of 4.


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com> wrote:
> The code below will do what you want for your test cases.  I'm not sure that
> two lines of code justifies a whole module.
>
> $x = '$24,969.00(txincl.)';
> ($c) = $x =~ /([0-9\.,]+)/;
> $c =~ s/,//g;
> print "$x -> $c\n";
>
> Indy Singh
> IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilia" <samogon at gmail.com>
> To: <tpm at to.pm.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:29 AM
> Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
>
>
>> I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
>> currency into a decimal.
>>
>> The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on various
>> input like:
>> $65,345.89
>> $65.345,89
>> $24,969.00(txincl.)
>> $24,969.00*
>>
>> any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
>> should be removed.
>>
>> Any takers?
>>
>> ilia.
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>



-- 
Ilia Lobsanov
Nurey Networks - http://www.nurey.com
New Ideas for a New Economy
Python, Perl, Java, Linux & more
Toronto +1 647 996 9087
Boston +1 781 328 1162

From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us  Thu Feb  5 18:30:16 2009
From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:30:16 -0500
Subject: [tpm] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	(sfid-20090205_202105_753639_273B7B9C)
References: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	(sfid-20090205_202105_753639_273B7B9C)
Message-ID: <498BA0B8.3080301@softwareprocess.us>



I have some content I can present, but it is mostly about my own projects:
* Lispy Perl or Perlish Lisp - how to use SourceFilters to write perl
modules in other languages.
* Harbinger: Using perl as a middle man for musical events

Alternatively if more people wanted to present I could take 1/2 hr and
then someone else present.

abram

arocker at vex.net wrote:
> I think we have February organised, but is there anything in the schedule
> for March and subsequent months?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


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From indy at indigostar.com  Thu Feb  5 08:08:16 2009
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:08:16 -0500
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter
References: <e66444870902050729n351fd0d0m96c5a3f24acae955@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD0CAC18010B4ABCBB18D049470300D9@ROADKILL>

The code below will do what you want for your test cases.  I'm not sure 
that two lines of code justifies a whole module.

$x = '$24,969.00(txincl.)';
($c) = $x =~ /([0-9\.,]+)/;
$c =~ s/,//g;
print "$x -> $c\n";

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ilia" <samogon at gmail.com>
To: <tpm at to.pm.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: [tpm] currency deformatter


>I can't believe there doesn't seem to be a CPAN module to parse a
> currency into a decimal.
> 
> The function I'm looking for should return a decimal based on various
> input like:
> $65,345.89
> $65.345,89
> $24,969.00(txincl.)
> $24,969.00*
> 
> any extraneous data like "(txincl.)" should be removed. any spaces
> should be removed.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> ilia.
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm

From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 05:25:41 2009
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:25:41 -0500
Subject: [tpm] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <498BA0B8.3080301@softwareprocess.us>
References: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<498BA0B8.3080301@softwareprocess.us>
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0902060525x4e7948b5ga7142a529c211230@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Abram Hindle <
abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us> wrote:

>
> I have some content I can present, but it is mostly about my own projects:
> * Lispy Perl or Perlish Lisp - how to use SourceFilters to write perl
> modules in other languages.
> * Harbinger: Using perl as a middle man for musical events
>

They both sound interesting.
Sounds like stuff for March _and_ April.  :-)
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From arocker at vex.net  Fri Feb  6 07:19:08 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:19:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <498BA0B8.3080301@softwareprocess.us>
References: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<498BA0B8.3080301@softwareprocess.us>
Message-ID: <2aaec365cf19b92348f020a07e3f5a72.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

>
> I have some content I can present, but it is mostly about my own projects:
>

Unless they're utterly obscure, personal projects are usually the most
interesting. Both of yours sound worthwhile.


From bobby.lopez at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 07:33:13 2009
From: bobby.lopez at gmail.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:33:13 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
Message-ID: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)

-- 
J. Bobby Lopez
Web: http://jbldata.com/
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 07:48:29 2009
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:48:29 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:


> Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
> but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
>

Hi Bobby...

I'm Fulko.  I'm also in Burlington, and my car pool to TPM meetings has been
rather empty for quite a few months/years now.  I'm just down the road
working at
SITA (aka Northrop-Grumman (aka Westinghouse) on Walkers Line.

and I enjoy Perl too.

and we use VMware, and as a matter of fact... I'll be trying to
integrate/build some management tools
to control/affect VMware using Perl in the next few weeks.  So you're a good
guy to know!
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 07:50:13 2009
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:50:13 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ccef7f7b0902060750x623710ebj733496ceb9bd65d2@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome aboard!

I believe another prominent TPM member is out in your neck of the woods.
I've even attended a meeting or two when I lived in Keswick.

Perl is pleasure or is it also work for you? (VMWare uses Perl?  If so, for
what?)

Dave

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
> but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
>
> --
> J. Bobby Lopez
> Web: http://jbldata.com/
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>
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From psema4 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 08:07:07 2009
From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:07:07 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99a6c38f0902060807h6cf6fdcfkfa6ed6638fb453b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
> but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)

Hello there and well met!

I'm Scott, live in Hamilton and for the most part work here and in
Mississauga.  I tend lurk on this list (and learned some really cool
tricks by doing so!) and love both Perl and JavaScript.

-- 
  Scott Elcomb
  http://www.psema4.com/

From psema4 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 08:14:37 2009
From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:14:37 -0500
Subject: [tpm] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <99a6c38f0902060814v54558866j259e6c11e242d66a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM,  <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
> I think we have February organised, but is there anything in the schedule
> for March and subsequent months?

I'd still like to do something that combines Perl & TiddlyWiki - just
haven't had a chance to collect all my links and notes together.

Also I should be well positioned to give an update on CAF in a few
months.  I've been working with a pre-release version (v0.30) for the
last few weeks, building some simple apps and such.  Still got lots to
learn of course... like the history of the project and how CAF came
about.  (Hint, hint, nudge, nudge...  ;-)

-- 
  Scott Elcomb
  http://www.psema4.com/

From bobby.lopez at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 08:21:03 2009
From: bobby.lopez at gmail.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:21:03 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <ccef7f7b0902060750x623710ebj733496ceb9bd65d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccef7f7b0902060750x623710ebj733496ceb9bd65d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cda3eb110902060821w79a17a80m3c05919da0b8c300@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the warm welcome all :)

I use Perl both at work and for my own personal projects.   Perl is used
quite a bit for many of the Service Console tools which are shipped with ESX
or Server by the engineering team in San Francisco.

I'm the Tools and Automation lead for the Product Support Engineering group,
which makes tools for use by GSS (Global Support Services) - essentially
tools to help our Technical Support Engineers.  I'm the only one here in
Burlington though, the rest of my Team are in SF.  The Burlington office
mostly employs Technical Support engineers, along with a handful of
representatives in HR and other departments.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome aboard!
>
> I believe another prominent TPM member is out in your neck of the woods.
> I've even attended a meeting or two when I lived in Keswick.
>
> Perl is pleasure or is it also work for you? (VMWare uses Perl?  If so, for
> what?)
>
> Dave
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
>> but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
>>
>> --
>> J. Bobby Lopez
>> Web: http://jbldata.com/
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>
>>
>


-- 
J. Bobby Lopez
Web: http://jbldata.com/
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
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From talexb at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 10:03:44 2009
From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:03:44 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902060821w79a17a80m3c05919da0b8c300@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccef7f7b0902060750x623710ebj733496ceb9bd65d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<cda3eb110902060821w79a17a80m3c05919da0b8c300@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f9870c010902061003u48ad3f7fx18fda8de4b241808@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bobby,

Welcome to the group. Hope you can start coming out regularly to the
TPM meetings -- last Thursday of every month, at Yonge/Bloor. Agenda
usually decided on a Just In Time basis. And beware of tangents ..
they happen a lot with this group. ;)

We'll probably have to do a 'My Name Is ..' romp around the room to
start February's meeting, but I think most of us have heard of and
used VMWare.

Cheers,
Alex

-- 
Alex Beamish
Toronto, Ontario
aka talexb

From bobby.lopez at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 10:32:40 2009
From: bobby.lopez at gmail.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:32:40 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Searching the Mailing list
Message-ID: <cda3eb110902061032o4134d8dfhb37bd5ed863723d1@mail.gmail.com>

I don't suppose there would be a way to search the mailing list to prevent
my asking a question or discussing a topic which was previously addressed?

-- 
J. Bobby Lopez
Web: http://jbldata.com/
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 10:53:55 2009
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:53:55 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Searching the Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902061032o4134d8dfhb37bd5ed863723d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902061032o4134d8dfhb37bd5ed863723d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ccef7f7b0902061053q14ede75dkf050656e67d7e876@mail.gmail.com>

The archive I'm aware of is here:

http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/

.. though it's not searchable.

I suspect you won't tick anyone off though. :)

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't suppose there would be a way to search the mailing list to prevent
> my asking a question or discussing a topic which was previously addressed?
>
> --
> J. Bobby Lopez
> Web: http://jbldata.com/
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>
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From stuart at morungos.com  Fri Feb  6 10:54:15 2009
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:54:15 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902060821w79a17a80m3c05919da0b8c300@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>	<ccef7f7b0902060750x623710ebj733496ceb9bd65d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<cda3eb110902060821w79a17a80m3c05919da0b8c300@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498C8757.7050608@morungos.com>

Hiya Bobby and all -

I'm a recent arrival to TPM too, having found it by accident, so I'll 
introduce myself as well. Anyway, I'm Stuart, I work and live in 
Toronto, having moved from Scotland about a year ago, when I quit as 
academic faculty from a university there.

I've been using Perl for about 10 years now, having been a Lisp hacker 
for the ten years before that. Perl gives me all the stuff that Lisp 
did, without having to write everything from the ground up. Mostly now 
I'm using Catalyst and KinoSearch to build search and browsing interfaces.

Stuart
--
stuart at morungos.com / stuart at meetomatic.com



J. Bobby Lopez wrote:
> Thanks for the warm welcome all :)
>
> I use Perl both at work and for my own personal projects.   Perl is 
> used quite a bit for many of the Service Console tools which are 
> shipped with ESX or Server by the engineering team in San Francisco.
>
> I'm the Tools and Automation lead for the Product Support Engineering 
> group, which makes tools for use by GSS (Global Support Services) - 
> essentially tools to help our Technical Support Engineers.  I'm the 
> only one here in Burlington though, the rest of my Team are in SF.  
> The Burlington office mostly employs Technical Support engineers, 
> along with a handful of representatives in HR and other departments.
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Welcome aboard!
>
>     I believe another prominent TPM member is out in your neck of the
>     woods.  I've even attended a meeting or two when I lived in Keswick.
>
>     Perl is pleasure or is it also work for you? (VMWare uses Perl? 
>     If so, for what?)
>
>     Dave
>
>     --
>     dave.s.doyle at gmail.com <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
>     On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez
>     <bobby.lopez at gmail.com <mailto:bobby.lopez at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not
>         quite Toronto, but used to live there).  I work at VMware and
>         I enjoy coding in Perl :)
>
>         -- 
>         J. Bobby Lopez
>         Web: http://jbldata.com/
>         Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         toronto-pm mailing list
>         toronto-pm at pm.org <mailto:toronto-pm at pm.org>
>         http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> J. Bobby Lopez
> Web: http://jbldata.com/
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>   
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From bobby.lopez at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 10:35:17 2009
From: bobby.lopez at gmail.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:35:17 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Searching the Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <cda3eb110902061032o4134d8dfhb37bd5ed863723d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902061032o4134d8dfhb37bd5ed863723d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cda3eb110902061035l596e7213p1591c4d6acf8d398@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I could resort to Google for now:  "site:
http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/ [topic]"

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't suppose there would be a way to search the mailing list to prevent
> my asking a question or discussing a topic which was previously addressed?
>
> --
> J. Bobby Lopez
> Web: http://jbldata.com/
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
>
>


-- 
J. Bobby Lopez
Web: http://jbldata.com/
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
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From linux at alteeve.com  Fri Feb  6 20:59:01 2009
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:59:01 -0500
Subject: [tpm] send sms to a rogers phone
Message-ID: <498D1515.3010203@alteeve.com>

Anyone here doing this (in perl)?

Thanks!

Madi

From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Feb  6 21:20:47 2009
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 00:20:47 -0500
Subject: [tpm] send sms to a rogers phone
In-Reply-To: <498D1515.3010203@alteeve.com>
References: <498D1515.3010203@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <A8C283E2-91AB-4057-94C0-C412245AE7AB@vilerichard.com>

I just use MIME::Lite to send an email to 6472223333 at pcs.rogers.com  
(or whatever the number is).  That initiates a process that will get  
you the info via SMS, albeit in a roundabout manner.  You get an SMS  
saying you have an SMS.  Then you reply to that SMS to then receive  
your SMS.  It's suboptimal to say the least.  If anyone knows how to  
do this in a way that doesn't use @pcs.rogers.com, I'd be very  
interested to hear about it.

Olaf

On 6-Feb-09, at 11:59 PM, Madison Kelly wrote:

> Anyone here doing this (in perl)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Madi
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>

--
Olaf Alders
olaf at vilerichard.com

http://www.vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard



From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us  Sat Feb  7 07:23:44 2009
From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:23:44 -0500
Subject: [tpm] send sms to a rogers phone
In-Reply-To: <A8C283E2-91AB-4057-94C0-C412245AE7AB@vilerichard.com>
	(sfid-20090207_002806_433147_D19BDB81)
References: <498D1515.3010203@alteeve.com>
	<A8C283E2-91AB-4057-94C0-C412245AE7AB@vilerichard.com>
	(sfid-20090207_002806_433147_D19BDB81)
Message-ID: <498DA780.7030705@softwareprocess.us>

I used to use their web interface, the web interface didn't require any
permission from the user.

But it did have a captcha. But you can get around that:
http://churchturing.org/captcha-dist/HOWTO

abram

Olaf Alders wrote:
> I just use MIME::Lite to send an email to 6472223333 at pcs.rogers.com (or
> whatever the number is).  That initiates a process that will get you the
> info via SMS, albeit in a roundabout manner.  You get an SMS saying you
> have an SMS.  Then you reply to that SMS to then receive your SMS.  It's
> suboptimal to say the least.  If anyone knows how to do this in a way
> that doesn't use @pcs.rogers.com, I'd be very interested to hear about it.
> 
> Olaf
> 
> On 6-Feb-09, at 11:59 PM, Madison Kelly wrote:
> 
>> Anyone here doing this (in perl)?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Madi
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>
> 
> -- 
> Olaf Alders
> olaf at vilerichard.com
> 
> http://www.vilerichard.com -- folk rock
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


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From arocker at vex.net  Mon Feb  9 13:45:10 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Technical questions]
Message-ID: <67b218de9269a584ebe679f571f5ef59.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

I've been asked these questions, and I'm looking for some more qualified
opinions:

1. What open source or low cost proprietary tools would you suggest for
developing interaction (including updates) between a web front end and
Oracle 10 (not sure which sub-version) ?  Should they be moving to a more
recent version of Oracle ?


2. In OO design, how do you model the common scenario where two sets of
data with different fields are brought together, producing a third dataset
whose fields comprise most of the source dataset fields, plus derived
attributes ?  Is the object the final output ?  If so, how do you
represent the input datasets and attributes ?


From talexb at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 14:15:04 2009
From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:15:04 -0500
Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Technical questions]
In-Reply-To: <67b218de9269a584ebe679f571f5ef59.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <67b218de9269a584ebe679f571f5ef59.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <f9870c010902091415y5f69599fk456506e20d741945@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM,  <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
> I've been asked these questions, and I'm looking for some more qualified
> opinions:
>
> 1. What open source or low cost proprietary tools would you suggest for
> developing interaction (including updates) between a web front end and
> Oracle 10 (not sure which sub-version) ?

Perl, with DBI? Is this a trick question? ;)

> Should they be moving to a more
> recent version of Oracle ?

No idea. Wikipedia's page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_database

> 2. In OO design, how do you model the common scenario where two sets of
> data with different fields are brought together, producing a third dataset
> whose fields comprise most of the source dataset fields, plus derived
> attributes ?

Isn't that polymorphism? Wikipedia link here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphism_in_object-oriented_programming#Perl

> Is the object the final output ?

It can be.

> If so, how do you
> represent the input datasets and attributes ?

Attributes of A and B become attributes of the combined object AB, I
suppose .. derived attributes would have whatever names they want, as
long as they don't create confusion about where they came from.

-- 
Alex Beamish
Toronto, Ontario
aka talexb

From bobby.lopez at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 15:09:04 2009
From: bobby.lopez at gmail.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:09:04 -0500
Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Technical questions]
In-Reply-To: <67b218de9269a584ebe679f571f5ef59.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <67b218de9269a584ebe679f571f5ef59.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <cda3eb110902091509v1dfb57b9nb3303cb0328b4bf2@mail.gmail.com>

Well for your first question, my first instinct would be to use Perl with
CPAN's DBD::Oracle.  I use it to connect to Oracle 10.2 servers, and it
works great.  However you do need to install either Oracle Server, Oracle
Express Edition (XE) or Oracle Instant Client for the required Oracle
libraries.

The Oracle installation part is quite an involved process if you haven't
done it before.  But once you've done it.. it's pretty straight forward.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> I've been asked these questions, and I'm looking for some more qualified
> opinions:
>
> 1. What open source or low cost proprietary tools would you suggest for
> developing interaction (including updates) between a web front end and
> Oracle 10 (not sure which sub-version) ?  Should they be moving to a more
> recent version of Oracle ?
>
>
> 2. In OO design, how do you model the common scenario where two sets of
> data with different fields are brought together, producing a third dataset
> whose fields comprise most of the source dataset fields, plus derived
> attributes ?  Is the object the final output ?  If so, how do you
> represent the input datasets and attributes ?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From abuzarchaudhary at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 22:06:36 2009
From: abuzarchaudhary at yahoo.com (Abuzar Chaudhary)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:06:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tpm] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <d46d776fda8c118bc9432095b6683685.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <240357.55361.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well... since Parrot 1.0 will be out... would be nice if someone could give a parrot 101 talk... anyone?

After 9 years of waiting (for an alpha release?), are we too jaded to call for a celebration?

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, arocker at vex.net <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> From: arocker at vex.net <arocker at vex.net>
> Subject: [tpm] March meeting
> To: tpm at to.pm.org
> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 2:50 PM
> I think we have February organised, but is there anything in
> the schedule
> for March and subsequent months?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


      

From lebbatdot at cogeco.ca  Thu Feb 12 10:53:41 2009
From: lebbatdot at cogeco.ca (lebbatdot at cogeco.ca)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:53:41 -0600
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
	<8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090212185341.GF1133@lebbalot>

Hi all

I am more of a PERL wanabe, I live in Burlington as well and might be
talked into a trip to TO.

Cheers
Brian

* Fulko Hew (fulko.hew at gmail.com) wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
> > but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
> >
> 
> Hi Bobby...
> 
> I'm Fulko.  I'm also in Burlington, and my car pool to TPM meetings has been
> rather empty for quite a few months/years now.  I'm just down the road
> working at
> SITA (aka Northrop-Grumman (aka Westinghouse) on Walkers Line.
> 
> and I enjoy Perl too.
> 
> and we use VMware, and as a matter of fact... I'll be trying to
> integrate/build some management tools
> to control/affect VMware using Perl in the next few weeks.  So you're a good
> guy to know!

> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us  Thu Feb 12 12:48:54 2009
From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:48:54 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <20090212185341.GF1133@lebbalot>
	(sfid-20090212_154212_212817_A26EED51)
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>	<8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090212185341.GF1133@lebbalot>
	(sfid-20090212_154212_212817_A26EED51)
Message-ID: <49948B36.9030203@softwareprocess.us>

There's also a Kitchener Waterloo perl mongers:

http://kw.pm.org

abram

lebbatdot at cogeco.ca wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I am more of a PERL wanabe, I live in Burlington as well and might be
> talked into a trip to TO.
> 
> Cheers
> Brian
> 
> * Fulko Hew (fulko.hew at gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
>>> but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
>>>
>> Hi Bobby...
>>
>> I'm Fulko.  I'm also in Burlington, and my car pool to TPM meetings has been
>> rather empty for quite a few months/years now.  I'm just down the road
>> working at
>> SITA (aka Northrop-Grumman (aka Westinghouse) on Walkers Line.
>>
>> and I enjoy Perl too.
>>
>> and we use VMware, and as a matter of fact... I'll be trying to
>> integrate/build some management tools
>> to control/affect VMware using Perl in the next few weeks.  So you're a good
>> guy to know!
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From lebbatdot at cogeco.ca  Thu Feb 12 10:53:41 2009
From: lebbatdot at cogeco.ca (lebbatdot at cogeco.ca)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:53:41 -0600
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>
	<8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090212185341.GF1133@lebbalot>

Hi all

I am more of a PERL wanabe, I live in Burlington as well and might be
talked into a trip to TO.

Cheers
Brian

* Fulko Hew (fulko.hew at gmail.com) wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
> > but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
> >
> 
> Hi Bobby...
> 
> I'm Fulko.  I'm also in Burlington, and my car pool to TPM meetings has been
> rather empty for quite a few months/years now.  I'm just down the road
> working at
> SITA (aka Northrop-Grumman (aka Westinghouse) on Walkers Line.
> 
> and I enjoy Perl too.
> 
> and we use VMware, and as a matter of fact... I'll be trying to
> integrate/build some management tools
> to control/affect VMware using Perl in the next few weeks.  So you're a good
> guy to know!

> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us  Thu Feb 12 12:48:54 2009
From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:48:54 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Just introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <20090212185341.GF1133@lebbalot>
	(sfid-20090212_154212_212817_A26EED51)
References: <cda3eb110902060733g105e874dg67dbd2f88448a033@mail.gmail.com>	<8204a4fe0902060748v6ec02fc1gbed53723a6657386@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090212185341.GF1133@lebbalot>
	(sfid-20090212_154212_212817_A26EED51)
Message-ID: <49948B36.9030203@softwareprocess.us>

There's also a Kitchener Waterloo perl mongers:

http://kw.pm.org

abram

lebbatdot at cogeco.ca wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I am more of a PERL wanabe, I live in Burlington as well and might be
> talked into a trip to TO.
> 
> Cheers
> Brian
> 
> * Fulko Hew (fulko.hew at gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <bobby.lopez at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello, my name is Bobby.  I live in Burlington Ontario (not quite Toronto,
>>> but used to live there).  I work at VMware and I enjoy coding in Perl :)
>>>
>> Hi Bobby...
>>
>> I'm Fulko.  I'm also in Burlington, and my car pool to TPM meetings has been
>> rather empty for quite a few months/years now.  I'm just down the road
>> working at
>> SITA (aka Northrop-Grumman (aka Westinghouse) on Walkers Line.
>>
>> and I enjoy Perl too.
>>
>> and we use VMware, and as a matter of fact... I'll be trying to
>> integrate/build some management tools
>> to control/affect VMware using Perl in the next few weeks.  So you're a good
>> guy to know!
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From arocker at vex.net  Tue Feb 17 07:11:27 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:11:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] Mac OS update breaks Perl
Message-ID: <2444cd6a9e1bb68b5f47c6ba5359a846.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/apple_update_perl_breakage/

A caution for the Mac users.


From arocker at vex.net  Tue Feb 17 06:56:11 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] Mac OS update breaks Perl
Message-ID: <eb39cabec9664ce90a0818d83323c945.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/apple_update_perl_breakage/

A caution for the Mac users.


From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 07:35:54 2009
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:35:54 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Mac OS update breaks Perl
In-Reply-To: <eb39cabec9664ce90a0818d83323c945.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <eb39cabec9664ce90a0818d83323c945.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <ccef7f7b0902170735k6fbbb40ele3e4debc249f14df@mail.gmail.com>

Tatsuhiko Miyagawa has a fix for this on his blog:

http://bulknews.typepad.com/blog/2009/02/mac-os-x-security-update-2009001-breaks-perl-cpan.html

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 AM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/apple_update_perl_breakage/
>
> A caution for the Mac users.
>
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 11:39:43 2009
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:39:43 -0500
Subject: [tpm] securing a CGI program from malicious user data
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0902181139q7d3a93a0h65fd064abde1cf81@mail.gmail.com>

Problem:

I'm providing a mechanism so that a system can be configured
to 'run' executables on remote machines based on configuration
information submitted in a CGI text field.

Obviously I don't want to allow the user to trash the system.

I'm going to:

1/ restrict the system to allow it to only execute 'trusted' apps
   located in a 'known' directory. (can I make a chroot jail in Perl/CGI?)

2/ strip characters from the invocation string that could be used to hurt
me:
    semicolon - because another malicious command could follow
    backtic   - because that could run another program
    ( )       - because that could invoke a sub-shell to run ...
    |         - because that could invoke ...
    &         - because other stuff might follow
    >         - because that could clobber an important file

    any \0xxx string that represents any of the above 'nasty' characters.

Tainging only talks about the concept, not what to de-taint.

- Are there any other things I should check for/prevent?
- Is there any standard/common resource on the web that you
  know of that talks about this (that I haven't found yet)?

TIA
Fulko
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Feb 18 13:42:22 2009
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:42:22 -0500
Subject: [tpm] securing a CGI program from malicious user data
In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0902181139q7d3a93a0h65fd064abde1cf81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8204a4fe0902181139q7d3a93a0h65fd064abde1cf81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cda3eb110902181342r7a7e1556lb6b2779a658feb30@mail.gmail.com>

There were a couple of times when I considered doing something like this for
various reasons.  A few things to consider (if you haven't already).


   - Use the 'system()' function with arguments, instead of a full
   command-line string using back-ticks.  This will reduce or eliminate the
   need to strip special characters that could possibly be used to execute any
   sub-commands.
   - Have your script do an md5 on the command and compare it to a protected
   list somewhere, or to an array of md5 strings kept within your script.
   - Chroot the commands that you want to execute.  This means chrooting
   "perl" itself, along with it's libraries.
   - Have perl execute as a non-root account (you wouldn't believe how much
   this is overlooked, and so simple to fix)
   - Why use a text field?  Use a select/dropdown, so you know exactly what
   the user could possibly execute, and make sure you submit it via POST.  Use
   SSL.
   - Be strict with Apache, do not "FollowSymLinks" unless it is necessary.
   Don't put data in the CGI directory.  Don't make directories listable if
   there isn't an 'index.html'

There are probably a lot of other things you can do, depending on how strict
you want to be.  If you have the time, I say go whole-hog on it for the
experience, and share the details with us :)

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Problem:
>
> I'm providing a mechanism so that a system can be configured
> to 'run' executables on remote machines based on configuration
> information submitted in a CGI text field.
>
> Obviously I don't want to allow the user to trash the system.
>
> I'm going to:
>
> 1/ restrict the system to allow it to only execute 'trusted' apps
>    located in a 'known' directory. (can I make a chroot jail in Perl/CGI?)
>
> 2/ strip characters from the invocation string that could be used to hurt
> me:
>     semicolon - because another malicious command could follow
>     backtic   - because that could run another program
>     ( )       - because that could invoke a sub-shell to run ...
>     |         - because that could invoke ...
>     &         - because other stuff might follow
>     >         - because that could clobber an important file
>
>     any \0xxx string that represents any of the above 'nasty' characters.
>
> Tainging only talks about the concept, not what to de-taint.
>
> - Are there any other things I should check for/prevent?
> - Is there any standard/common resource on the web that you
>   know of that talks about this (that I haven't found yet)?
>
> TIA
> Fulko
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>


-- 
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Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jbobbylopez
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From arocker at vex.net  Fri Feb 20 13:01:23 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:01:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] From jobs.perl.org
Message-ID: <61b3f94317669ba8d3d48bc6f7538966.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


"Perl/Mod_Perl Programmer, Synaptic Vision Inc. Canada, Ontario, Toronto
(2009-02-16)"

Anybody know anything about them? The salary range is curiously broad.


From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Feb 20 14:36:21 2009
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:36:21 -0500
Subject: [tpm] From jobs.perl.org
In-Reply-To: <61b3f94317669ba8d3d48bc6f7538966.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <61b3f94317669ba8d3d48bc6f7538966.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <499F3065.9060705@utoronto.ca>

arocker at vex.net wrote:
> "Perl/Mod_Perl Programmer, Synaptic Vision Inc. Canada, Ontario, Toronto
> (2009-02-16)"
> 
> Anybody know anything about them? The salary range is curiously broad.
> 

I don't know anything about them other than that they've posted ads on 
jobs.perl.org a number of times over the last couple of years.  I think 
they mean 40K - 75K, not 40/hr to 75/hr, it also looks like they are 
migrating to ruby based on that posting.

Adam

From linux at alteeve.com  Fri Feb 20 14:53:04 2009
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:53:04 -0500
Subject: [tpm] From jobs.perl.org
In-Reply-To: <61b3f94317669ba8d3d48bc6f7538966.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <61b3f94317669ba8d3d48bc6f7538966.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <499F3450.7010100@alteeve.com>

arocker at vex.net wrote:
> "Perl/Mod_Perl Programmer, Synaptic Vision Inc. Canada, Ontario, Toronto
> (2009-02-16)"
> 
> Anybody know anything about them? The salary range is curiously broad.

I used to work for them. Decent people, decent work environment. There 
servers were BSD, at least a couple years ago. Most development was done 
on devel servers via remote terminal session. They were mostly windows 
workstations when I got there but were happy enough to let me install a 
copy of Linux on my machine and work from there. No idea what's changed 
in the last couple years though.

Madi


From vvp at cogeco.ca  Mon Feb 23 07:48:26 2009
From: vvp at cogeco.ca (Viktor Pavlenko)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:48:26 -0500
Subject: [tpm] TaskForest
Message-ID: <18850.50506.644680.92283@hetman.ua>

Hi all,

I'm looking for a simple and flexible job scheduler and came across TaskForest.

http://taskforest.sourceforge.net/

Has anyone tried it? Is it good? The docs look promising:

http://www.taskforest.com/

Thanks for your opinion!

-- 
Viktor


From Shane.Boyce at gennum.com  Mon Feb 23 12:19:50 2009
From: Shane.Boyce at gennum.com (Shane Boyce)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:19:50 -0500
Subject: [tpm] TaskForest
In-Reply-To: <18850.50506.644680.92283@hetman.ua>
References: <18850.50506.644680.92283@hetman.ua>
Message-ID: <FAB1AF2177886343BAD91FE1DC2670DA0A31278133@EXCHANGE.ad.gennum.com>

Hi Viktor,

Let me know if anyone replies to you. I'm also interested as I have some web pages (Perl CGI scripts) that take longer to crunch their output than a web browser will wait for them (depending on amount of information a customer asks to crunch). So converting those tools into scheduled background jobs that can be planned with user status and subsequent results retrieval once done would be very useful indeed!

Thanks,
Shane


-----Original Message-----
From: Viktor Pavlenko [mailto:vvp at cogeco.ca]
Sent: February 23, 2009 10:48 AM
To: tpm at to.pm.org
Subject: [tpm] TaskForest

Hi all,

I'm looking for a simple and flexible job scheduler and came across TaskForest.

http://taskforest.sourceforge.net/

Has anyone tried it? Is it good? The docs look promising:

http://www.taskforest.com/

Thanks for your opinion!

--
Viktor



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From vvp at cogeco.ca  Mon Feb 23 13:24:59 2009
From: vvp at cogeco.ca (Viktor Pavlenko)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:24:59 -0500
Subject: [tpm] TaskForest
In-Reply-To: <FAB1AF2177886343BAD91FE1DC2670DA0A31278133@EXCHANGE.ad.gennum.com>
References: <18850.50506.644680.92283@hetman.ua>
	<FAB1AF2177886343BAD91FE1DC2670DA0A31278133@EXCHANGE.ad.gennum.com>
Message-ID: <18851.5163.696858.479449@hetman.ua>

>>>>> "SB" == Shane Boyce <Shane.Boyce at gennum.com> writes:

    SB> Hi Viktor,

    SB> Let me know if anyone replies to you. I'm also interested as I
    SB> have some web pages (Perl CGI scripts) that take longer to
    SB> crunch their output than a web browser will wait for them
    SB> (depending on amount of information a customer asks to
    SB> crunch). So converting those tools into scheduled background
    SB> jobs that can be planned with user status and subsequent
    SB> results retrieval once done would be very useful indeed!

Well, I couldn't even get it installed... I used CPAN module to
install it under my home directory (I don't have root access on this
machine, perl is a bit outdated too, 5.8.5) but it pulls in tons of
other modules and some of them won't install. So I gave up I think.

There is another free product (no perl though),
http://www.sos-berlin.com/modules/cjaycontent/index.php?id=62&page=osource_scheduler_introduction_en.htm but the concepts (and configuration) are a bit too complicated.

-- 
Viktor


From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 06:38:03 2009
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:38:03 -0500
Subject: [tpm] All set for this week?
Message-ID: <ccef7f7b0902240638j2dc7693en6cf72e9d15fd88ea@mail.gmail.com>

Are the speakers still lined up for this week?  Is TPM's  February a go?

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
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From samogon at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 07:06:52 2009
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:06:52 -0500
Subject: [tpm] All set for this week?
In-Reply-To: <ccef7f7b0902240638j2dc7693en6cf72e9d15fd88ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ccef7f7b0902240638j2dc7693en6cf72e9d15fd88ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e66444870902240706x3dc9f3e6h2a35863bbb7126e8@mail.gmail.com>

yep, though i still have only an outline on my slides... much to do
till thursday.

I have not come up with a good title yet, but it will cover TAP,
JUnit, Hudson and maybe Rakudo Perl6

ilia.


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are the speakers still lined up for this week?? Is TPM's? February a go?
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From arocker at vex.net  Tue Feb 24 16:04:50 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:04:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] All set for this week?
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>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Are the speakers still lined up for this week??  Is TPM's?  February a
>> go?

We have a room (11 on the 8th floor), thanks to Scott. Now, if Ilia's ready..


From magog at the-wire.com  Wed Feb 25 17:58:26 2009
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:58:26 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Next Meeting Thursday 26 Feb (Tomorrow) - Continuous
 Integration (CI) for Perl Projects.
Message-ID: <20090225205826.4b000364@caliope>



(These details are also on the TPM web site: http://to.pm.org/)

The next meeting is this Thursday, 26 February (Tomorrow!).

Ilia will talk about TAP, JUnit, Hudson and maybe Rakudo Perl6.


    Date:   Thursday 26 Feb 2009 (Tomorrow)

    Time:   6:45pm

 Speaker:   Ilia Lobsanov

   Topic:   Continuous Integration (CI) for Perl Projects.

    Cost:   Free!

   Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
            with the CIBC logo on top) Classroom 11 on the 8th floor

Description: 
   
            We will look at the Test Anything Protocol (TAP).  We will
            convert TAP output to JUnit format. Once in JUnit we can
            use a number of JVM based CI servers, like Hudson. The end
            goal is to see Rakudo Perl6 test suite on the Hudson web
            UI.
            
  ===================================================================



  Note:

    The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm
    to people without building access cards.  Leading up to the
    meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every
    few minutes to ferry people upstairs.

    After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via
    a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the
    front lobby.  The room and floor numbers will be left with
    security too.





-- 
Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>

From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us  Thu Feb 26 20:34:47 2009
From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:34:47 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Google Summer of Code coming up?
Message-ID: <49A76D67.3080304@softwareprocess.us>

19:30 -!- abramh changed the topic of #twitter to: abramh's last update:
14 people at #toronto
          #perl mongers tonight

21:54 < dukeleto> @abramh Are there any students there who want to get
paid by google to hack
                  on perl this summer? #toronto #perl


this is twitter btw

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From arocker at vex.net  Fri Feb 27 06:34:47 2009
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:34:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tpm] Charles Petzold to talk at U of T about Turing
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Next Thursday at 19:00, as I mentioned at Toronto Perlmongers last night.
See:

http://www.events.utoronto.ca/index.php?action=singleView&eventid=3401 for
details.

If you're not familiar with Petzold, see
http://www.charlespetzold.com/books.html

Despite his prolonged service to the Dark Side, he looks to be worth hearing.