From linux at alteeve.com  Tue May  6 05:53:13 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:53:13 -0400
Subject: [tpm] event loop
Message-ID: <482054B9.1070104@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I am looking for a good starting point to learn about event loops. 
I've written a simple server and client program, but it's not very smart 
or intelligent. I've since been learning about Net::DBus and I love how 
it's reactor loop works, and would like to create something similar for 
my program.

   Specifically, I want to have the server program have an event loop 
that triggers when a remote client connects, disconnects or sends data. 
Any tips on where I might start looking?

Thanks, as always!

Madi

From rdice at pobox.com  Tue May  6 06:37:39 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:37:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] event loop
In-Reply-To: <482054B9.1070104@alteeve.com>
References: <482054B9.1070104@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0805060637j6218339drbcc67b961c23330a@mail.gmail.com>

http://search.cpan.org/~rcaputo/POE-1.0001/lib/POE.pm

This might be too all-singing, all-dancing for your tastes and/or needs, but
man, does this ever look like fun.

Cheers,
 - Richard

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Madison Kelly <linux at alteeve.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   I am looking for a good starting point to learn about event loops.
> I've written a simple server and client program, but it's not very smart
> or intelligent. I've since been learning about Net::DBus and I love how
> it's reactor loop works, and would like to create something similar for
> my program.
>
>   Specifically, I want to have the server program have an event loop
> that triggers when a remote client connects, disconnects or sends data.
> Any tips on where I might start looking?
>
> Thanks, as always!
>
> Madi
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
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From arocker at vex.net  Tue May  6 07:43:03 2008
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] event loop
In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0805060637j6218339drbcc67b961c23330a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <482054B9.1070104@alteeve.com>
	<5bef4baf0805060637j6218339drbcc67b961c23330a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39918.199.43.183.133.1210084983.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

> http://search.cpan.org/~rcaputo/POE-1.0001/lib/POE.pm
>
> This might be too all-singing, all-dancing for your tastes and/or needs,
> but man, does this ever look like fun.

It had to happen. Somebody's written an OS in Perl.


From carmenc1 at staffingsuccess.com  Thu May  8 11:37:02 2008
From: carmenc1 at staffingsuccess.com (Carmen Cholette)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:37:02 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Question from recruiter
Message-ID: <006a01c8b13a$81ee8090$b000a8c0@owner81d846bef>

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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> handling external data feeds, batch processing, file uploads
> 
>  
> 
> Nice to have Skills
> 
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> 
> *Prior experience in Java, J2EE
> 
> *Prior experience in C++
> 
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> environment to another *Prior experience working with third party 
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From arocker at vex.net  Fri May  9 07:51:50 2008
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Forthcoming attractions for the rest of the year
Message-ID: <18049.199.43.183.133.1210344710.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


This month, (May), we have Adam Prime booked.
Next month, (June), will somebody volunteer to debrief on YAPC, for we
little piggies who have to stay home?
September is traditionally "Lightning Talks".
December is given over to Saturnalian revels.

That leaves July, August, October, and November to fill. Any volunteers?


From linux at alteeve.com  Fri May  9 08:43:55 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:43:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Populating an unfixed number of hash elements
Message-ID: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com>

I am not sure that the subject makes a lot of sense, sorry. :)

In a few places I take a string that can have an arbitrary number of 
elements in it that I use as hash keys. I split up this string and feed 
in a passed value to a hash reference using the given hash elements.

So far, I've not found an effective way to do this, so I've resorted to 
a frighteningly dumb solution "that works". However, it's not at all 
flexible and frankly, I am ashamed of it. So please, TPM, help me regain 
some dignity! :)

I need a way to /intelligently/ create a hash entry. I've tried 
'eval'ing it into existence but that never seems to work for some reason...

Thanks!!

Madi

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Here is an example of what I am trying to do:

my %hash=();

$string1="some::string::of::elements";
$string2="some::string";
$string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
$string4="another::set::of::keys";

$self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string1, "a value");
$self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string2, 12);
$self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string3, "a really long string that takes up 
pages");
$self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string4, "something else again.");

sub _to_hash
{
	my $self=shift;
	my $hashref=shift;
	my $keystring=shift;
	my $value=shift;

	my @key=split /::/, $hashref;

	# Here is where it gets... undignified...
	if (@key==5)
	{
	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}{$key[3]}{$key[4]}=$value;
	}
	elsif (@key==4)
	{
	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}{$key[3]}=$value;
	}
	elsif (@key==3)
	{
	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}=$value;
	}
	elsif (@key==2)
	{
	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}=$value;
	}
	elsif (@key==1)
	{
	  $$hashref{$key[0]}=$value;
	}
	else
	{
	  croak "Unsupported number of kash keys.\n";
	}

	return();
}

From rdice at pobox.com  Fri May  9 09:44:36 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:44:36 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Populating an unfixed number of hash elements
In-Reply-To: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com>
References: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0805090944i58d013baucd18a5ab0eb7a689@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Madison,

Could you re-iterate (in a cleaner fashion) what your input is and what your
desired output is?  As for the output, you can provide Data::Dumper dumps of
the data structures you want.

Could I consider your data to be:

some::string::of::elements
> some::string
> some::string::of::other::elements
> another::set::of::keys
>

?

(I will loop through this using a while (<>) loop in whatever programming I
cook up.)

Cheers,
 - Richard

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Madison Kelly <linux at alteeve.com> wrote:

> I am not sure that the subject makes a lot of sense, sorry. :)
>
> In a few places I take a string that can have an arbitrary number of
> elements in it that I use as hash keys. I split up this string and feed
> in a passed value to a hash reference using the given hash elements.
>
> So far, I've not found an effective way to do this, so I've resorted to
> a frighteningly dumb solution "that works". However, it's not at all
> flexible and frankly, I am ashamed of it. So please, TPM, help me regain
> some dignity! :)
>
> I need a way to /intelligently/ create a hash entry. I've tried
> 'eval'ing it into existence but that never seems to work for some reason...
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Madi
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Here is an example of what I am trying to do:
>
> my %hash=();
>
> $string1="some::string::of::elements";
> $string2="some::string";
> $string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
> $string4="another::set::of::keys";
>
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string1, "a value");
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string2, 12);
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string3, "a really long string that takes up
> pages");
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string4, "something else again.");
>
> sub _to_hash
> {
>        my $self=shift;
>        my $hashref=shift;
>        my $keystring=shift;
>        my $value=shift;
>
>        my @key=split /::/, $hashref;
>
>        # Here is where it gets... undignified...
>        if (@key==5)
>        {
>          $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}{$key[3]}{$key[4]}=$value;
>        }
>        elsif (@key==4)
>        {
>          $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}{$key[3]}=$value;
>        }
>        elsif (@key==3)
>        {
>          $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}=$value;
>        }
>        elsif (@key==2)
>        {
>          $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}=$value;
>        }
>        elsif (@key==1)
>        {
>          $$hashref{$key[0]}=$value;
>        }
>        else
>        {
>          croak "Unsupported number of kash keys.\n";
>        }
>
>        return();
> }
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri May  9 09:58:49 2008
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:58:49 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Populating an unfixed number of hash elements
In-Reply-To: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com>
References: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20080509165848.GB10094@sourcery.ca>

Hey Madi,

This works. I had to modify how the sub was called slightly, but hopefully it's
still workable for you.

################################################################################
use strict;
use warnings;
use Data::Dumper;

my $string1="some::string::of::elements";
my $string2="some::string";
my $string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
my $string4="another::set::of::keys";

my $href={};

$href = mk_href($string1, "a value");
print Dumper $href;

$href = mk_href($string2, 12);
print Dumper $href;

$href = mk_href($string3, "a really long string that takes up pages");
print Dumper $href;

$href = mk_href($string4, "something else again.");
print Dumper $href;

sub mk_href {
    my ($keystr, $value) = @_;
    my @keys = split /::/, $keystr;
    my $last_key = pop @keys;
    my $href = {};
    $href->{$last_key} = $value;
    while (my $key = pop @keys) {
        my $elem = {};
        $elem->{$key} = $href;
        $href = $elem;
    }
    return $href;
}
################################################################################

Cheers,
--
    Shaun Fryer

On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 11:43:55AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> I am not sure that the subject makes a lot of sense, sorry. :)
> 
> In a few places I take a string that can have an arbitrary number of 
> elements in it that I use as hash keys. I split up this string and feed 
> in a passed value to a hash reference using the given hash elements.
> 
> So far, I've not found an effective way to do this, so I've resorted to 
> a frighteningly dumb solution "that works". However, it's not at all 
> flexible and frankly, I am ashamed of it. So please, TPM, help me regain 
> some dignity! :)
> 
> I need a way to /intelligently/ create a hash entry. I've tried 
> 'eval'ing it into existence but that never seems to work for some reason...
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Madi
> 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Here is an example of what I am trying to do:
> 
> my %hash=();
> 
> $string1="some::string::of::elements";
> $string2="some::string";
> $string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
> $string4="another::set::of::keys";
> 
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string1, "a value");
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string2, 12);
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string3, "a really long string that takes up 
> pages");
> $self->_to_hash(\%hash, $string4, "something else again.");
> 
> sub _to_hash
> {
> 	my $self=shift;
> 	my $hashref=shift;
> 	my $keystring=shift;
> 	my $value=shift;
> 
> 	my @key=split /::/, $hashref;
> 
> 	# Here is where it gets... undignified...
> 	if (@key==5)
> 	{
> 	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}{$key[3]}{$key[4]}=$value;
> 	}
> 	elsif (@key==4)
> 	{
> 	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}{$key[3]}=$value;
> 	}
> 	elsif (@key==3)
> 	{
> 	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}{$key[2]}=$value;
> 	}
> 	elsif (@key==2)
> 	{
> 	  $$hashref{$key[0]}{$key[1]}=$value;
> 	}
> 	elsif (@key==1)
> 	{
> 	  $$hashref{$key[0]}=$value;
> 	}
> 	else
> 	{
> 	  croak "Unsupported number of kash keys.\n";
> 	}
> 
> 	return();
> }
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> 

From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri May  9 10:08:19 2008
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:08:19 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Populating an unfixed number of hash elements
In-Reply-To: <20080509165848.GB10094@sourcery.ca>
References: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com> <20080509165848.GB10094@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <20080509170819.GC10094@sourcery.ca>

Actually, this may be more what you intended. However, notice that the key/value
may get over-ridden in case of collisions. For instance $string1 will produce

    { some => { string => { or => { elements => 'a value' } } } }

But the value of the key "string" will get overwritten by $string2 to form the
following.

    { some => { string => 12 } }

Not sure how you'd work around this except to suggest that your proposed values
are in fact keys with a value of 1. (ie. { some => { string => { 12 => 1 } } }).

################################################################################
use strict;
use warnings;
use Data::Dumper;

my $string1="some::string::of::elements";
my $string2="some::string";
my $string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
my $string4="another::set::of::keys";

my %hash = ();

mk_href(\%hash, $string1, "a value");
print Dumper \%hash;

mk_href(\%hash, $string2, 12);
print Dumper \%hash;

mk_href(\%hash, $string3, "a really long string that takes up pages");
print Dumper \%hash;

mk_href(\%hash, $string4, "something else again.");
print Dumper \%hash;

sub mk_href {
    my ($href, $keystr, $value) = @_;
    my @keys = split /::/, $keystr;
    my $last_key = pop @keys;
    my $_href = {};
    $_href->{$last_key} = $value;
    while (my $key = pop @keys) {
        my $elem = {};
        $elem->{$key} = $_href;
        $_href = $elem;
    }
    $href->{$_} = $_href->{$_} for keys %$_href;
}
################################################################################
--
    Shaun Fryer

On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 12:58:49PM -0400, Shaun Fryer wrote:
> ################################################################################
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use Data::Dumper;
> 
> my $string1="some::string::of::elements";
> my $string2="some::string";
> my $string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
> my $string4="another::set::of::keys";
> 
> my $href={};
> 
> $href = mk_href($string1, "a value");
> print Dumper $href;
> 
> $href = mk_href($string2, 12);
> print Dumper $href;
> 
> $href = mk_href($string3, "a really long string that takes up pages");
> print Dumper $href;
> 
> $href = mk_href($string4, "something else again.");
> print Dumper $href;
> 
> sub mk_href {
>     my ($keystr, $value) = @_;
>     my @keys = split /::/, $keystr;
>     my $last_key = pop @keys;
>     my $href = {};
>     $href->{$last_key} = $value;
>     while (my $key = pop @keys) {
>         my $elem = {};
>         $elem->{$key} = $href;
>         $href = $elem;
>     }
>     return $href;
> }
> ################################################################################

From vvp at cogeco.ca  Fri May  9 11:00:39 2008
From: vvp at cogeco.ca (Viktor Pavlenko)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:00:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Populating an unfixed number of hash elements
In-Reply-To: <20080509170819.GC10094@sourcery.ca>
References: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com> <20080509165848.GB10094@sourcery.ca>
	<20080509170819.GC10094@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <18468.37191.279335.360264@hetman.ua>

>>>>> "SF" == Shaun Fryer <sfryer at sourcery.ca> writes:

    SF> Actually, this may be more what you intended. However, notice
    SF> that the key/value may get over-ridden in case of
    SF> collisions.

If she avoids global hash, there will be no problem ...

    SF> sub mk_href {
    SF>     my ($href, $keystr, $value) = @_;
    SF>     my @keys = split /::/, $keystr;
    SF>     my $last_key = pop @keys;
    SF>     my $_href = {};
    SF>     $_href->{$last_key} = $value;
    SF>     while (my $key = pop @keys) {
    SF>         my $elem = {};
    SF>         $elem->{$key} = $_href;
    SF>         $_href = $elem;
    SF>     }
    SF>     $href->{$_} = $_href->{$_} for keys %$_href;
    SF> }

... and then this:

-------------------------------------------------------------------->8
sub mk_href
{
    my ($keystr, $value) = @_;
    my @keys = reverse split /::/, $keystr;
    helper($value, @keys);
}

sub helper
{
    my ($val, @keys) = @_;
    my $k = pop @keys;
    my $hr = {};
    $hr->{$k} = ($#keys == -1) ? $val : helper($val, @keys);
    return $hr;
}
-------------------------------------------------------------------->8

-- 
Viktor


From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri May  9 10:46:07 2008
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:46:07 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Populating an unfixed number of hash elements
In-Reply-To: <18468.37191.279335.360264@hetman.ua>
References: <4824713B.5060202@alteeve.com> <20080509165848.GB10094@sourcery.ca>
	<20080509170819.GC10094@sourcery.ca>
	<18468.37191.279335.360264@hetman.ua>
Message-ID: <20080509174607.GD10094@sourcery.ca>

Nice and small. I like it. Here's the alternate solution I just came up with.
Like yours, uses a recursive helper function, but also works with a global hash.

################################################################################
use strict;
use warnings;
use Data::Dumper;

my $string1="some::string::of::elements";
my $string2="some::string";
my $string3="some::string::of::other::elements";
my $string4="another::set::of::keys";

my %hash = ();

mk_href(\%hash, $string1, "a value");
mk_href(\%hash, $string2, 12);
mk_href(\%hash, $string3, "a really long string that takes up pages");
mk_href(\%hash, $string4, "something else again.");
print Dumper \%hash;

sub mk_href {
    my ($href, $keystr, $value) = @_;
    my @keys = split /::/, $keystr;
    my $last_key = pop @keys;
    my $_href = {};
    $_href->{$last_key} = { $value => 1 };
    while (my $key = pop @keys) {
        my $elem = {};
        $elem->{$key} = $_href;
        $_href = $elem; 
    }   
    add_href($href, $_href);
}   

sub add_href {
    my ($href1, $href2) = @_;
    for my $key (keys %$href2) {
        if (ref $href1->{$key} eq 'HASH') {
            add_href( $href1->{$key}, $href2->{$key} );
        } else {
            $href1->{$key} = $href2->{$key};
        }   
    }   
}
################################################################################
--
    Shaun Fryer
    cl: 905-920-9209

On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 02:00:39PM -0400, Viktor Pavlenko wrote:
> >>>>> "SF" == Shaun Fryer <sfryer at sourcery.ca> writes:
> 
>     SF> Actually, this may be more what you intended. However, notice
>     SF> that the key/value may get over-ridden in case of
>     SF> collisions.
> 
> If she avoids global hash, there will be no problem ...
> 
>     SF> sub mk_href {
>     SF>     my ($href, $keystr, $value) = @_;
>     SF>     my @keys = split /::/, $keystr;
>     SF>     my $last_key = pop @keys;
>     SF>     my $_href = {};
>     SF>     $_href->{$last_key} = $value;
>     SF>     while (my $key = pop @keys) {
>     SF>         my $elem = {};
>     SF>         $elem->{$key} = $_href;
>     SF>         $_href = $elem;
>     SF>     }
>     SF>     $href->{$_} = $_href->{$_} for keys %$_href;
>     SF> }
> 
> ... and then this:
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------->8
> sub mk_href
> {
>     my ($keystr, $value) = @_;
>     my @keys = reverse split /::/, $keystr;
>     helper($value, @keys);
> }
> 
> sub helper
> {
>     my ($val, @keys) = @_;
>     my $k = pop @keys;
>     my $hr = {};
>     $hr->{$k} = ($#keys == -1) ? $val : helper($val, @keys);
>     return $hr;
> }
> -------------------------------------------------------------------->8
> 
> -- 
> Viktor
> 

From magog at the-wire.com  Sat May 10 17:39:05 2008
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:39:05 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Subject: May Meeting - Thu 29 May,
 2008 - An interpretation of an introduction to mod_perl 2
Message-ID: <20080510203905.6fbff182@caliope>


(These details are also on the TPM web site: http://to.pm.org/)

The next meeting is this Thursday, 29 May.

 
    Date:   Thursday 29 May 2008

    Time:   6:45pm

   Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
            with the CIBC logo on top) Classroom TBA
  ===================================================================

Description:

    Adam is going to go through Phillipe Chaisson's "From CGI to
    mod_perl 2.0, Fast!" slides, then follow that up with some of detail
    about mod_perl beyond the ResponseHandler phase touching on some
    useful, and powerful things that mod_perl can enable you to do.


  Note:

    The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm
    to people without building access cards.  Leading up to the
    meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every
    few minutes to ferry people upstairs.

    After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via
    a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the
    front lobby.  The room and floor numbers will be left with
    security too.



-- 
Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>

From linux at alteeve.com  Sat May 10 17:43:43 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:43:43 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Forthcoming attractions for the rest of the year
In-Reply-To: <18049.199.43.183.133.1210344710.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <18049.199.43.183.133.1210344710.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <4826413F.6070801@alteeve.com>

arocker at vex.net wrote:
> This month, (May), we have Adam Prime booked.
> Next month, (June), will somebody volunteer to debrief on YAPC, for we
> little piggies who have to stay home?
> September is traditionally "Lightning Talks".
> December is given over to Saturnalian revels.
> 
> That leaves July, August, October, and November to fill. Any volunteers?

I am planning to give a talk on DBus to [GTA]TLUG in August... Though I
am using the Perl Net::DBus bindings are my template for demos and such.
I could do a more perl/Net::DBus oriented talk in August for TPM, if you
would like.

Madi


From rdice at pobox.com  Tue May 13 17:41:46 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:41:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Damian Conway gives free public talk in Toronto, Wed July 16
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0805131741r530e3211re0637abeba609e60@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Save the date!  The evening of Wed 16 July 2008, Damian Conway, Perl Monger
extraordinaire and long-time friend of Toronto.pm, will deliver -- free and
to the public -- one of his signature tour-de-force completely insane talks
that is 1/3 high-end IT, 1/3 showmanship and 1/3 peyote-fuelled
hallucination.  Its title is:

 "Temporally Quaquaversal Virtual Nanomachine Programming in
>     Multiple Topologically Connected Quantum-Relativistic
>     Parallel Timespaces... Made Easy"
>

This will be the world premiere of the talk.

Precise location and time details to follow.

As I've done the past 4 times Damian has come to give us talks I will take
up a collection.  This is to help defray expenses and to provide Damian with
an honorarium for the talk.  Donations are completely voluntary.  If you
feel motivated and/or in the right place financially to make a donation
please get in touch with me.  Toronto.pm has always been incredibly generous
in supporting Damian whenever he has visited in the past and both he and I
thank everyone for all the support he has received over the years.

Cheers,
 - Richard
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From jkeen at verizon.net  Sat May 17 09:21:14 2008
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:21:14 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census
Message-ID: <619C0C84-4F71-4B4A-AF30-1B76DE71B407@verizon.net>

Toronto.pm has apparently not completed the PM Group Census conducted  
biannually by Dave Cross (census at pm.org).

http://mag-sol.com/census2008/missing.cgi

Michael, are you still the contact person for this?

jimk


From michael.a.bolton at gmail.com  Tue May 20 18:32:46 2008
From: michael.a.bolton at gmail.com (Michael Bolton)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:32:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census
In-Reply-To: <619C0C84-4F71-4B4A-AF30-1B76DE71B407@verizon.net>
References: <619C0C84-4F71-4B4A-AF30-1B76DE71B407@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <007501c8bae2$92fdf030$bea8a8c0@Koko>

For the sake of all of us named "Michael", a last name is probably a good
idea.  Michael Graham. 

---Michael B.

-----Original Message-----
From: toronto-pm-bounces+mb=michaelbolton.net at pm.org
[mailto:toronto-pm-bounces+mb=michaelbolton.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of James E
Keenan
Sent: May 17, 2008 12:21 PM
To: toronto-pm at pm.org
Subject: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census

Toronto.pm has apparently not completed the PM Group Census conducted
biannually by Dave Cross (census at pm.org).

http://mag-sol.com/census2008/missing.cgi

Michael, are you still the contact person for this?

jimk

_______________________________________________
toronto-pm mailing list
toronto-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


From michael.a.bolton at gmail.com  Tue May 20 18:34:04 2008
From: michael.a.bolton at gmail.com (Michael Bolton)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:34:04 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Conference for the Association for Software Testing
Message-ID: <007601c8bae2$c1d1b360$bea8a8c0@Koko>

Greetings...

Some of you Toronto Perlites must be testers.  If aren't a tester, you
probably /know/ some testers.  So please read and spread the word:

A colleague recently pointed out that an important mission of our
community--the community of skilled testers--is to remind people-and
ourselves-that testing doesn't have to suck.

Well, neither do testing conferences. CAST 2008 is the kind of conference
that I've always wanted to attend. The theme is "Beyond the Boundaries:
Interdisciplinary Approaches to Software Testing", and the program is
incredibly eclectic and diverse. Start with the keynotes: 

- Jerry Weinberg on Lessons from the Past to Carry into the Future; 
- Cem Kaner on The Value of Checklists and the Danger of Scripts: What Legal
Training Suggests for Testers;
- Robert Sabourin (with Anne Sabourin) on Applied Testing Lessons from
Delivery Room Labor Triage (there's a related article in this month's Better
Software magazine); and 
- Brian Fisher on The New Science of Visual Analytics. 

Track sessions include talks relating testing 

- to improv theatre (Adam White), to music (yours truly and Jonathan Kohl),
- to finance and accounting (Doug Hoffman), 
- to wargaming and Darwinian evolution (Bart Brokeman, author of /Testing
Embedded Software/ and one of the co-authors of the /TMap Next/ book); 
- to civil engineering (Scott Barber);
- to scientific software (Diane Kelly and Rebecca Sanders)
- to magic (Jeremy Kominar), to file systems (Morven Gentleman)
- and to data warehousing (Steve Richardson and Adam Geras)
- and to data visualization (Martin Taylor); 
- AND to four-year-olds playing lacrosse (Adam Goucher). 

There will be lightning talks and a tester competition. Jerry Weinberg will
be doing a one-day tutorial workshop, as will Hung Nguyen, Scott Barber, and
Julian Harty.

Yet another feature of the conference is that Jerry is launching his book on
testing, /Perfect Software and Other Testing Myths/. I read an early version
of it, and I'm waiting for it with bated breath. It's a book that we'll all
want to read, and after we're done, we'll want to hand to people who are
customers of testing. For some, we'll want to tie them to a chair and /read
it to them/.

For the out-of-towners (I know there are some Buffalo types out there), the
conference hotel is inexpensive (you'll know where to find it; it's where
YAPC was); the food in Toronto is great, the nightlife is wonderful, the
music is excellent...

More Information
================
You can find details on the program at http://www.cast2008.org/Program.

You can find information on the venue and logistics at
http://www.cast2008.org/Venue.

Those from outside Canada should look at
http://www.associationforsoftwaretesting.org/drupal/CAST2008/Venue#customs.

You can get registration information at
http://www.cast2008.org/Registration.

Paying the Way
==============

If you need help persuading your company to send you to the conference,
check out this: http://www.ayeconference.com/Articles/Mycompanywontpay.html.

And if all that fails, you can likely write off the cost of the conference
against your taxes, even if you're an employee. (I am not a tax
professional, but INC magazine reports that you can write off expenses to
"maintain or improve skills required in your present employment". Americans
should see IRS Publication 970
(http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch12.html), Section 12, and ask your
accountant!)

Come Along and Spread The Word!
===============================

So (if necessary) get your passports in order, take advantage of early bird
registration (if you register in the next two weeks), and come join us. In
addition (and I'm asking a favour here), please please /please/ tell your
colleagues, both in your company and outside, about CAST. We want to share
some great ideas on testing and other disciplines, and we want to make this
the best CAST ever. And the event will only be improved by your presence.

So again, please spread the word, and come if you can.

Cheers,

---Michael B.


From jkeen at verizon.net  Tue May 20 19:04:28 2008
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:04:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census
In-Reply-To: <007501c8bae2$92fdf030$bea8a8c0@Koko>
References: <619C0C84-4F71-4B4A-AF30-1B76DE71B407@verizon.net>
	<007501c8bae2$92fdf030$bea8a8c0@Koko>
Message-ID: <7D81E018-17C7-45E2-88EC-E3C3CEA634FC@verizon.net>


On May 20, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Bolton wrote:
> For the sake of all of us named "Michael", a last name is probably  
> a good
> idea.  Michael Graham.

Agreed!

From alexmac131 at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 05:19:38 2008
From: alexmac131 at hotmail.com (Alex Mackinnon)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:19:38 +0000
Subject: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census
In-Reply-To: <7D81E018-17C7-45E2-88EC-E3C3CEA634FC@verizon.net>
References: <619C0C84-4F71-4B4A-AF30-1B76DE71B407@verizon.net>
	<007501c8bae2$92fdf030$bea8a8c0@Koko> 
	<7D81E018-17C7-45E2-88EC-E3C3CEA634FC@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W4116A2092E37B846181FC583C70@phx.gbl>


We could all do like in the army and just use last name, same confusion.  Context works too.
 
If I say, Tom how about rock climbing thrusday, he (they Tom - Tommer) would know and Tom Jones would not know me and not likely care.
 
The attempt to modify social convetions of familar is to be cheered but like any good car reck not likely to work :)
 
To make this a Perl related conversation, my work is looking for various developers (Java, Perl, systems people) and I oh yes don't work for Accenture anymore :) 
 
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:04:28 -0400> From: jkeen at verizon.net> To: mb at michaelbolton.net> CC: toronto-pm at pm.org> Subject: Re: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census> > > On May 20, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Bolton wrote:> > For the sake of all of us named "Michael", a last name is probably > > a good> > idea. Michael Graham.> > Agreed!> _______________________________________________> toronto-pm mailing list> toronto-pm at pm.org> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From arocker at vex.net  Wed May 21 06:11:28 2008
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 09:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Please help with the Perl Monger Group Census
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W4116A2092E37B846181FC583C70@phx.gbl>
References: <619C0C84-4F71-4B4A-AF30-1B76DE71B407@verizon.net>
	<007501c8bae2$92fdf030$bea8a8c0@Koko>
	<7D81E018-17C7-45E2-88EC-E3C3CEA634FC@verizon.net>
	<BAY135-W4116A2092E37B846181FC583C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54999.199.43.183.133.1211375488.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

>
> To make this a Perl related conversation, my work is looking for various
> developers (Java, Perl, systems people)

Who? Where?


From linux at alteeve.com  Wed May 21 06:47:17 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 09:47:17 -0400
Subject: [tpm] POD encoding question
Message-ID: <483427E5.8040404@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I'm having trouble with UTF-8 characters in my module's POD. I've got
the entry (truncated for brevity):

=item new

=encoding UTF-8

   #-----
   use TB::Get;

   # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
   my $hr=TB::Get->new;

   # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
   my $hr=TB::Get->new({
   	use_base_2	=>	0,
   	use_24h		=>	0,
   	say_am		=>	"??",
   	say_pm		=>	"??",
   	date_seperator	=>	"/",
   	time_seperator	=>	"."
   });
    #-----

This is the constructor method used to access this module's methods.

=cut

   Now, when I try to read the POD using perldoc, I get:

-=-=-=-=-=-
        new
           #-----
           use TB::Get;

           # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
           my $hr=TB::Get->new;

           # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
           my $hr=TB::Get->new({
                 use_base_2      =>      0,
                 use_24h         =>      0,
                 say_am          =>      "??",
                 say_pm          =>      "???",
                 date_seperator  =>      "/",
                 time_seperator  =>      "."
           });
-=-=-=-=-=-

   At the command line, I get:

$ perldoc TB/Get
./TB/Get.pm:73: Unknown command paragraph "=encoding utf8"
<standard input>:222: warning: can't find numbered character 141
<standard input>:222: warning: can't find numbered character 141
<standard input>:223: warning: can't find numbered character 141
<standard input>:223: warning: can't find numbered character 140

   Now, the '=encoding utf8' string is taken directly from the 'perldoc
perlpod' documentation...

   Any tips on what I am doing wrong?

Thanks!

Madi


From sergio at salvi.ca  Wed May 21 06:57:30 2008
From: sergio at salvi.ca (Sergio Salvi)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:57:30 +0200
Subject: [tpm] POD encoding question
In-Reply-To: <483427E5.8040404@alteeve.com>
References: <483427E5.8040404@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <568473410805210657j26b850cfn5fb4cfba0d61c0dd@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have "use utf8;" at the beginning of your file?

On 5/21/08, Madison Kelly <linux at alteeve.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>    I'm having trouble with UTF-8 characters in my module's POD. I've got
>  the entry (truncated for brevity):
>
>  =item new
>
>  =encoding UTF-8
>
>    #-----
>    use TB::Get;
>
>    # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
>    my $hr=TB::Get->new;
>
>    # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
>    my $hr=TB::Get->new({
>         use_base_2      =>      0,
>         use_24h         =>      0,
>         say_am          =>      "??",
>         say_pm          =>      "??",
>         date_seperator  =>      "/",
>         time_seperator  =>      "."
>    });
>     #-----
>
>  This is the constructor method used to access this module's methods.
>
>  =cut
>
>    Now, when I try to read the POD using perldoc, I get:
>
>  -=-=-=-=-=-
>         new
>            #-----
>            use TB::Get;
>
>            # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
>            my $hr=TB::Get->new;
>
>            # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
>            my $hr=TB::Get->new({
>                  use_base_2      =>      0,
>                  use_24h         =>      0,
>                  say_am          =>      "??",
>                  say_pm          =>      "???",
>                  date_seperator  =>      "/",
>                  time_seperator  =>      "."
>            });
>  -=-=-=-=-=-
>
>    At the command line, I get:
>
>  $ perldoc TB/Get
>  ./TB/Get.pm:73: Unknown command paragraph "=encoding utf8"
>  <standard input>:222: warning: can't find numbered character 141
>  <standard input>:222: warning: can't find numbered character 141
>  <standard input>:223: warning: can't find numbered character 141
>  <standard input>:223: warning: can't find numbered character 140
>
>    Now, the '=encoding utf8' string is taken directly from the 'perldoc
>  perlpod' documentation...
>
>    Any tips on what I am doing wrong?
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  Madi
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  toronto-pm mailing list
>  toronto-pm at pm.org
>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>

From linux at alteeve.com  Wed May 21 07:14:31 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:14:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] POD encoding question
In-Reply-To: <568473410805210657j26b850cfn5fb4cfba0d61c0dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483427E5.8040404@alteeve.com>
	<568473410805210657j26b850cfn5fb4cfba0d61c0dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48342E47.7070708@alteeve.com>

Sergio Salvi wrote:
> Do you have "use utf8;" at the beginning of your file?

I do:

-=-=-=-=-=-
package TB::Get;

use 5.008;
use Carp;
use Symbol;
use strict;
use warnings;
use locale;
use IO::Handle;
use utf8;

# Setup for UTF-8 mode.
binmode STDOUT, ":utf8:";
$ENV{'PERL_UNICODE'}=1;

BEGIN
{
	our $VERSION="0.3.051";
}

=pod

=encoding utf8

=head1 NAME

TB::Get
...
-=-=-=-=-=-

If the internal encoding was an issue, would the error:

-=-=-=-=-=-
digimer at akane:~/projects/tle-bu.org/cgi-bin$ perldoc TB/Get.pm
TB/Get.pm:23: Unknown command paragraph "=encoding utf8"
<standard input>:220: warning: can't find numbered character 141
<standard input>:220: warning: can't find numbered character 141
<standard input>:221: warning: can't find numbered character 141
<standard input>:221: warning: can't find numbered character 140
-=-=-=-=-=-

Still be printed?

Madi

From james.a.graham at gmail.com  Wed May 21 11:29:25 2008
From: james.a.graham at gmail.com (Jim Graham)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:29:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] POD encoding question
In-Reply-To: <483427E5.8040404@alteeve.com>
References: <483427E5.8040404@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0979615DA32EC3388080D390C70@CEZ.ICE>

This is a bug in 5.8.x and should be fixed in 5.10

   http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=47271

  It would appear you need version 1.4301 of Pod::Checker.

  I tested your code on 5.8.8 and 5.10 on Mac OS X 10.5.2 and I got  
the bug with 5.8.8 and it's fixed in 5.10 (ie. no "Unknown command  
paragraph "=encoding utf8" " error). However, the UTF characters  
weren't printed correctly when running the POD. I'm not sure if that's  
a Perl error or a shell error.

regards, Jim


Source
------
    # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
   my $hr=TB::Get->new({
         use_base_2      =>      0,
         use_24h         =>      0,
         say_am          =>      "??",
         say_pm          =>      "??",
         date_seperator  =>      "/",
         time_seperator  =>      "."
   });


Terminal
-------
          #?????
          use TB::Get;

          # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
          my $hr=TB::Get?>new;

           # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
          my $hr=TB::Get?>new({
                use_base_2      =>      0,
                use_24h         =>      0,
                say_am          =>      "XX",
                say_pm          =>      "XX",
                date_seperator  =>      "/",
                time_seperator  =>      "."
          });


On 21-May-08, at 9:47 AM, Madison Kelly wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   I'm having trouble with UTF-8 characters in my module's POD. I've  
> got
> the entry (truncated for brevity):
>
> =item new
>
> =encoding UTF-8
>
>   #-----
>   use TB::Get;
>
>   # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
>   my $hr=TB::Get->new;
>
>   # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
>   my $hr=TB::Get->new({
>   	use_base_2	=>	0,
>   	use_24h		=>	0,
>   	say_am		=>	"??",
>   	say_pm		=>	"??",
>   	date_seperator	=>	"/",
>   	time_seperator	=>	"."
>   });
>    #-----
>
> This is the constructor method used to access this module's methods.
>
> =cut
>
>   Now, when I try to read the POD using perldoc, I get:
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>        new
>           #-----
>           use TB::Get;
>
>           # Get a handle on the TB::HumanReadable methods.
>           my $hr=TB::Get->new;
>
>           # You can set (...) as a hash reference. Ie:
>           my $hr=TB::Get->new({
>                 use_base_2      =>      0,
>                 use_24h         =>      0,
>                 say_am          =>      "??",
>                 say_pm          =>      "???",
>                 date_seperator  =>      "/",
>                 time_seperator  =>      "."
>           });
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
>   At the command line, I get:
>
> $ perldoc TB/Get
> ./TB/Get.pm:73: Unknown command paragraph "=encoding utf8"
> <standard input>:222: warning: can't find numbered character 141
> <standard input>:222: warning: can't find numbered character 141
> <standard input>:223: warning: can't find numbered character 141
> <standard input>:223: warning: can't find numbered character 140
>
>   Now, the '=encoding utf8' string is taken directly from the 'perldoc
> perlpod' documentation...
>
>   Any tips on what I am doing wrong?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Madi
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


From lanas at securenet.net  Wed May 21 17:27:56 2008
From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:27:56 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Attending the next meeting
Message-ID: <20080521202756.007d738e@mistral.stie>

Hello,

  I would like to attend the next meeting on the 29th of May.  Is there
any fee ?

  I've been doing some Perl programming (but not only that) since about
three years now.  I like quite a lot POE and have done a couple of
applications using it.  I've also been doing C++ and ACE/TAO CORBA
stuff, as well as different C assignements, Linux system builds, and
various utilities in Perl and bash.  When I have some time and
inclination to do so I like to explore in Smalltalk (Visual Works and
Squeak) although I haven't done that lately.

  Looking forward to attend the meeting.

Cheers,

Al

From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri May 23 08:22:54 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:22:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Attending the next meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080521202756.007d738e@mistral.stie>
References: <20080521202756.007d738e@mistral.stie>
Message-ID: <20080523112254.orowts99pck4w4kg@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Quoting lanas <lanas at securenet.net>:

> Hello,
>
>   I would like to attend the next meeting on the 29th of May.  Is there
> any fee ?
>

There is no cost to attend.

Adam


From linux at alteeve.com  Mon May 26 12:45:45 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:45:45 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
Message-ID: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I use IO::Handle for shell calls, and then check 'error' to see if 
there was an error. However, this isn't catching errors... Can someone 
clue me in?

sub do_shell_call
{
	my ($shell_call)=@_;

	my $sc=IO::Handle->new();
	print "  Shell call: [$shell_call]\n";
	open ($sc, $shell_call) or die "Shell call: [$shell_call] failed with 
error: $!";
	my $output=0;
	while (<$sc>)
	{
		if (!$output) { print "/----\n"; $output=1; }
		print "| $_";
	}
	if ($output) { print "\\----\n"; }
	if ($sc->error)
	{
		die "Shell call: [$shell_call] returned an error: $!";
	}
	$sc->close;

	return 0;
}

Madi

From jkeen at verizon.net  Mon May 26 16:43:49 2008
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:43:49 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
In-Reply-To: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
References: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <ECAF9FB8-6F82-464C-A641-12AC51657F31@verizon.net>


On May 26, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Madison Kelly wrote:
>
>    I use IO::Handle for shell calls,

Why?

When I call 'perldoc IO::Handle', among the first things I read is:

"It is not intended that objects of "IO::Handle" would be created  
directly, but instead "IO::Handle" is inherited from by several other  
classes in the IO hierarchy."

Your example does not suggest that you are inheriting from IO::Handle.

Above and beyond that, you do not appear to be calling it in an  
object-oriented way.  You create the IO::Handle object:

>
> 	print "  Shell call: [$shell_call]\n";

... and then proceed to use it as the second argument to a Perl built- 
in 'open' function, where one would normally expect something like '<':

> 	open ($sc, $shell_call) or die "Shell call: [$shell_call] failed with
> error: $!";

On what basis do you expect the preceding statement to do something  
useful?

You don't appear to call a method on your IO::Handle object until here:


> 	if ($sc->error)
> 	{
> 		die "Shell call: [$shell_call] returned an error: $!";
> 	}
> 	$sc->close;
>

I'm unclear as to what you're intending to do, but I suspect  
IO::Handle is not the way to do it.  Can you clarify?

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan

From jkeen at verizon.net  Mon May 26 19:50:03 2008
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 22:50:03 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
In-Reply-To: <fd8e28ef0805261659v4665a5ean9a1bbbf5a571bc4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
	<ECAF9FB8-6F82-464C-A641-12AC51657F31@verizon.net>
	<fd8e28ef0805261659v4665a5ean9a1bbbf5a571bc4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F656EF5A-1532-4304-B346-E9F1FB4A1658@verizon.net>


On May 26, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Cees Hek wrote:
>>
>> do something
>> useful?
>
> Actually, you can pass IO::Handle based objects as the first parameter
> of open.

I stand corrected, or, rather, I sit corrected.

But I still wonder why a system call would not suffice.

From indy at indigostar.com  Mon May 26 20:42:27 2008
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 23:42:27 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
References: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c8bfab$af082ac0$6600a8c0@roadhog>

If the shell process exits with a non-zero status, the return value will
be found in $?.  You might need to call close first before you check $?.

A non-zero return code will not be an an IO error.  IO errors are not
very likely and I'm not sure if it is useful to worry about them.

An error in starting the shell process will be caught by the open call.

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Madison Kelly" <linux at alteeve.com>
To: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors


> Hi all,
>
>   I use IO::Handle for shell calls, and then check 'error' to see if
> there was an error. However, this isn't catching errors... Can someone
> clue me in?
>
> sub do_shell_call
> {
> my ($shell_call)=@_;
>
> my $sc=IO::Handle->new();
> print "  Shell call: [$shell_call]\n";
> open ($sc, $shell_call) or die "Shell call: [$shell_call] failed with
> error: $!";
> my $output=0;
> while (<$sc>)
> {
> if (!$output) { print "/----\n"; $output=1; }
> print "| $_";
> }
> if ($output) { print "\\----\n"; }
> if ($sc->error)
> {
> die "Shell call: [$shell_call] returned an error: $!";
> }
> $sc->close;
>
> return 0;
> }
>
> Madi
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> 


From linux at alteeve.com  Tue May 27 05:38:43 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:38:43 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
In-Reply-To: <ECAF9FB8-6F82-464C-A641-12AC51657F31@verizon.net>
References: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
	<ECAF9FB8-6F82-464C-A641-12AC51657F31@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <483C00D3.4050301@alteeve.com>

Thanks for replying! I'll address your questions in-line. :)

James E Keenan wrote:
> On May 26, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Madison Kelly wrote:
>>    I use IO::Handle for shell calls,
> 
> Why?

A couple years ago I was having trouble with some IPC stuff clobbering 
"traditional" filehandles. I found that the 'Filehandle' module off CPAN 
solved those problems. However, 'Filehandle' is not a core module, and 
so expecting a user to have it could cause dependency problems. So I did 
some looking and, perhaps incorrectly, realized that IO::Handle looked 
to do the same thing and was a core module, so using it seemed to solved 
the clobbering problem and not have the dependency problem.

Since then, I've made a habit of using it everywhere.

> When I call 'perldoc IO::Handle', among the first things I read is:
> 
> "It is not intended that objects of "IO::Handle" would be created  
> directly, but instead "IO::Handle" is inherited from by several other  
> classes in the IO hierarchy."
> 
> Your example does not suggest that you are inheriting from IO::Handle.
> 
> Above and beyond that, you do not appear to be calling it in an  
> object-oriented way.  You create the IO::Handle object:
> 
>> 	print "  Shell call: [$shell_call]\n";
> 
> ... and then proceed to use it as the second argument to a Perl built- 
> in 'open' function, where one would normally expect something like '<':
> 
>> 	open ($sc, $shell_call) or die "Shell call: [$shell_call] failed with
>> error: $!";
> 
> On what basis do you expect the preceding statement to do something  
> useful?

This catch works... Say for example if the '$shell_call' had a bad path 
to an executable, or if it lacked permissions, it would trigger 'die' 
and properly exit.

> You don't appear to call a method on your IO::Handle object until here:
> 
> 
>> 	if ($sc->error)
>> 	{
>> 		die "Shell call: [$shell_call] returned an error: $!";
>> 	}
>> 	$sc->close;
>>
> 
> I'm unclear as to what you're intending to do, but I suspect  
> IO::Handle is not the way to do it.  Can you clarify?
> 
> Thank you very much.
> Jim Keenan

As I (probably incorrectly) understood the docs, the '$sc->error' should 
be set if the called shell program ran properly but returned a non-zero 
exit code (because something it was supposed to do didn't work).

In my current program, for example, I am calling 'rpm' to install a 
package. The call the the 'rpm' binary works, so the first 'die' doesn't 
trigger, but the 'rpm' binary itself exits with a non-zero code because 
the RPM I was trying to install failed due to dependency issues. That is 
was I want to trap.

Madi

From linux at alteeve.com  Tue May 27 05:42:42 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:42:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
In-Reply-To: <fd8e28ef0805261651w2a441344i124e20eb9b375ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
	<fd8e28ef0805261651w2a441344i124e20eb9b375ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483C01C2.9030809@alteeve.com>

Cees Hek wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Madison Kelly <linux at alteeve.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>   I use IO::Handle for shell calls, and then check 'error' to see if
>> there was an error. However, this isn't catching errors... Can someone
>> clue me in?
>>
>> sub do_shell_call
>> {
>>        my ($shell_call)=@_;
>>
>>        my $sc=IO::Handle->new();
>>        print "  Shell call: [$shell_call]\n";
>>        open ($sc, $shell_call) or die "Shell call: [$shell_call] failed with
>> error: $!";
>>        my $output=0;
>>        while (<$sc>)
>>        {
>>                if (!$output) { print "/----\n"; $output=1; }
>>                print "| $_";
>>        }
>>        if ($output) { print "\\----\n"; }
>>        if ($sc->error)
>>        {
>>                die "Shell call: [$shell_call] returned an error: $!";
>>        }
>>        $sc->close;
>>
>>        return 0;
>> }
> 
> Which errors are you trying to catch?  An error with IO::Handle, or
> errors with the script or program you are launching?  I think
> IO::Handle will only return errors regarding things like 'unable to
> open file', or 'could not write to file' (those are paraphrased
> errors).  If you want to catch errors in the script you are running,
> you will have to look at the return value of the script to see if it
> exitted cleanly.
> 
> When running external programs, you might be better off using
> something like IPC::Run which is better at error handling, or possibly
> IPC::Open2 or IPC::Open3.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Cees

Thanks for the reply! I love this list, so many helpful people. :)

Please see my reply to James sent *just* before this. I went into better 
detail what I am trying to do. In short though; I wanted to use 
'IO::Handle' to avoid dependency issues as it's a "core" module. I am 
trying to trap non-zero exit status' from the called shell command. The 
first '... or die ...' catches problems will calling the shell call 
itself (bad permissions, etc), and the second '$sc->error' check I want 
to trap shell calls that succeeded but exited with non-zero codes.

Madi

From linux at alteeve.com  Tue May 27 05:46:56 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:46:56 -0400
Subject: [tpm] IO::Handle not catching errors
In-Reply-To: <00a801c8bfab$af082ac0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
References: <483B1369.5010803@alteeve.com>
	<00a801c8bfab$af082ac0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
Message-ID: <483C02C0.9090601@alteeve.com>

Indy Singh wrote:
> If the shell process exits with a non-zero status, the return value will
> be found in $?.  You might need to call close first before you check $?.
> 
> A non-zero return code will not be an an IO error.  IO errors are not
> very likely and I'm not sure if it is useful to worry about them.
> 
> An error in starting the shell process will be caught by the open call.
> 
> Indy Singh

Doh!

   I went at this looking for too complex a solution. I will check that 
as soon as I get into the office in a couple hours and report back to 
the list "for the record". Thanks!

Madi

From michael.a.bolton at gmail.com  Wed May 28 08:30:29 2008
From: michael.a.bolton at gmail.com (Michael Bolton)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:30:29 -0400
Subject: [tpm] CAST 2008: Last week for Early Bird Registration PLUS An
	Interview with Jerry Weinberg
Message-ID: <000501c8c0d7$cb524fd0$0c02a8c0@Koko>

Hi, all...

This is Michael Bolton, the Conference Chair for the Conference for the
Association for Software Testing 2008.

It's the last week to register at the Early Bird Rate for the CAST
conference!  The Conference will be held here in Toronto, July 14-16 2008,
at the University of Toronto's 89 Chestnut Street hotel and conference
facility--right in the heart of downtown.

If you've already registered, scroll below for an interview with Jerry
Weinberg, who'll be presenting a tutorial and a keynote address at the
conference.  If you haven't already registered, keep reading to find out why
you'll want to.

Start with the keynotes:

* Jerry Weinberg on Lessons from the Past to Carry into the Future;
* Cem Kaner on The Value of Checklists and the Danger of Scripts: What
  Legal Training Suggests for Testers
* Robert Sabourin (with Anne Sabourin) on Applied Testing Lessons
  from Delivery Room Labor Triage (there's a related article in this
  month's Better Software magazine)
* Brian Fisher on The New Science of Visual Analytics.

There are four one-day tutorials--

The Tester's Communication Clinic, from Jerry Weinberg Testing Mobile
Applications, from Julian Harty Performance Testing Software Systems:
Analyzing Performance Test Data, with Scott Barber From Craftsmanship to
Leadership, with Hung Nguyen

Track sessions include talks relating testing to

- improv theatre (Adam White), to music (Michael Bolton and Jonathan
  Kohl)
- finance and accounting (Doug Hoffman)
- wargaming and Darwinian evolution (Bart Brokeman, author of
  /Testing Embedded Software/ and one of the co-authors of the /TMap
  Next/ book)
- civil engineering (Scott Barber)
- scientific software (Diane Kelly and Rebecca Sanders),
- magic (Jeremy Kominar),
- file systems (Morven Gentleman),
- data warehousing (Steve Richardson and Adam Geras), and
- data visualization (Martin Taylor), AND
- four-year-olds playing lacrosse (Adam Goucher).

There will also be lightning talks and a tester competition.

Yet another feature of the conference is that Jerry is launching his book on
testing, /Perfect Software and Other Testing Myths/.  I read an early
version of it, and I'm waiting for it with bated breath. It's a book that
we'll all want to read, and after we're done, we'll want to hand to people
who are customers of testing.  For some, we'll want to tie them to a chair
and /read it to them/.

The conference hotel is inexpensive, the food in Toronto is great, the
nightlife is wonderful, the music is excellent...

More Information
================
You can find details on the program at
http://www.cast2008.org/Program.

You can find information on the venue and logistics at
http://www.cast2008.org/Venue.

Those from outside Canada should look at
http://www.associationforsoftwaretesting.org/drupal/CAST2008/Venue#cus
toms.

You can get registration information at
http://www.cast2008.org/Registration.


An Interview with Gerald M. (Jerry) Weinberg
============================================
Being a conference chair has its advantages.  Recently I was privileged to
chat with Jerry Weinberg on why he's favouring CAST with his only conference
appearance of the year, other than the Amplifying Your Effectiveness
conference, of which he's a co-founder and host.

Michael: You've been involved with computers for 50 years, and with giving
people advice for almost that long.  What do you suggest my first question
should be, and how would you answer it?

Jerry: Ask me why I chose this conference as my one of the year.  And other
things.

Michael: Sounds good.  So:  why did you choose this conference as your one
of the year?

Jerry: Errors have been the principal issue in computing right from the
beginning, as John von Neumann pointed out even before I got into the field
(and that's really a long time ago). I wrote about testing as the opening
topic in my first book, "Computer Programming Fundamentals" way back in
1960--and way back then, I already took flack from some reviewers who didn't
think errors was a suitable topic for politically correct people. You'd
think I had written about human excrement.

And you'd also think that as our field matured,  we would have outgrown that
prudish attitude about error--but we haven't. Back then, we had no
professional testers. Testing was every developer's job (though they weren't
called "developers" back then, or even "programmers"). We fought hard to
have testing recognized as a profession of its own, and though we have
people called "testers"
today, we still have the prudes. In many organizations, testers are, sadly,
considered lower-class citizens.

Testing holds a special place in my vision of the future of the computing
profession as a whole. Why? Because testing is the first place where we
generally get an independent and realistic view of what we are doing right
and what we are doing wrong when we build new systems. We do get this view
from Support (another area that's considered low-class), but by the time
information arrives from Support, the people who put the errors in a product
are often long gone and immune to learning from their mistakes.

Quite simply, if we don't learn to learn from our mistakes, we won't improve
as a profession. And if we don't improve, we limit whatever good this
amazing new (still) technology offers to humanity.

That's why I've made the status of testing and testers my first priority for
some years, and why I'm debuting my book on testing fallacies and myths at
CAST, the one conference that I feel is a creation of testers, by testers,
and for testers.

Michael: Recently you launched a new Web site, and your banner is "Helping
smart people to be happy."  Why did you choose that?

Jerry: Most of the people in the computing professions are pretty smart, at
least as measured by tests and the kind of technical work they accomplish.
But so many of them haven't learned how to use their smarts on themselves.
They can create wonderful systems, but when they use their brains to think
about themselves, they often think themselves into depression.

I was like that, for a long time, until I began to figure out what I was
doing to myself. I set myself the task of learning how to be happy, and as I
began to succeed, I realized that one of the things that makes me happy is
working with other happy people. So, selfishly, I decided I would devote
myself to helping my colleagues and students learn to share my happiness.
Like most things I do, it's completely selfish--but has side effects that
others may enjoy.

Michael: Why not "Helping happy people be smart?"

Jerry: If you're happy, you don't need to be smart. Smart isn't the only
road to happiness. It's not that I mind helping people be smart, or smarter,
but it's just not my primary goal. Nevertheless, I guess there are thousands
of people out there who would say I've helped them grow smarter in some way.
I think that's true of you, Michael, at least from what you tell me. I hope
I've helped you be happier, too.

Michael: Happier for sure, and smarter I hope.  I've learned about both from
conversations that I've had with you and other smart people.
I remember once that Joshua Kerievsky asked you about why and how you tested
in the old days--and I remember you telling Josh that you were compelled to
test because the equipment was so unreliable.  Computers don't break down as
they used to, so what's the motivation for unit testing and test-first
programming today?

Jerry: We didn't call those things by those names back then, but if you look
at my first book, and many others since, you'll see that was always the way
we thought was the only logical way to do things. I learned it from Bernie
Dimsdale, who learned it from von Neumann.

When I started in computing, I had nobody to teach me programming, so I read
the manuals and taught myself. I thought I was pretty good, then I ran into
Bernie (in 1957), who showed me how the really smart people did things. My
ego was a bit shocked at first, but then I figured out that if von Neumann
did things this way, I should.

John von Neumann was a lot smarter than I'll ever be, or than most people
will ever be, but all that means is that we should learn from him. And
that's why I go to a select number of conferences, like CAST and AYE,
because there are lots of smart people there to learn from. I recommend my
tactic to any smart person who wants to be happy.

===================================================

Paying the Way
==============
If you need help persuading your company to send you to the conference,
check out this:
http://www.ayeconference.com/Articles/Mycompanywontpay.html.

And if all that fails, you can likely write off the cost of the conference
against your taxes, even if you're an employee. (I am not a tax
professional, but INC magazine reports that you can write off expenses to
"maintain or improve skills required in your present employment".  Americans
should see IRS Publication 970 (
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch12.html), Section 12, and ask your
accountant!)


Come Along and Spread The Word!
===============================
So (if necessary) get your passports in order, take advantage of early bird
registration (if you register this week), and come join us.  In addition
(and I'm asking a favour here), please please /please/ tell your colleagues,
both in your company and outside, about CAST.  We want to share some great
ideas on testing and other disciplines, and we want to make this the best
CAST ever.  And the event will only be improved by your presence.

So again, please spread the word, and come if you can.

---Michael B.


From magog at the-wire.com  Wed May 28 19:37:25 2008
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:37:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] May Meeting Tomorrow - Thu 29 May,
 2008 - An interpretation of an introduction to mod_perl 2
Message-ID: <20080528223725.52cf0422@caliope>



(These details are also on the TPM web site: http://to.pm.org/)

The next meeting is this Thursday, 29 May (Tomorrow).

 
    Date:   Thursday 29 May 2008

    Time:   6:45pm

    Cost:   Free!

   Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
            with the CIBC logo on top) Classroom 11 on the 8th floor
  ===================================================================

Description:

    Adam is going to go through Phillipe Chaisson's "From CGI to
    mod_perl 2.0, Fast!" slides, then follow that up with some of detail
    about mod_perl beyond the ResponseHandler phase touching on some
    useful, and powerful things that mod_perl can enable you to do.


  Note:

    The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm
    to people without building access cards.  Leading up to the
    meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every
    few minutes to ferry people upstairs.

    After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via
    a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the
    front lobby.  The room and floor numbers will be left with
    security too.




-- 
Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>

From kevork at quantum-qtr.com  Wed May 28 13:20:58 2008
From: kevork at quantum-qtr.com (Salmastlian, Kevork)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Contract Job Opportunity - Toronto, Canada
Message-ID: <5463364E9EFE0342B2518D47A74519CC03B099ED@QGMTB1X.quantum-group.net>

Good Afternoon.

 

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From kwalton at keenconsulting.ca  Fri May 30 06:44:26 2008
From: kwalton at keenconsulting.ca (Kim Walton)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:44:26 -0400
Subject: [tpm] PERL Developers and Leads NEEDED
Message-ID: <20080530134427.99BF717037D@mail.korax.net>

Hi,

 

My name is Kim Walton and I am a technical recruiter for Keen Consulting in
Toronto. After exhausting my normal avenues of recruiting, I came across
your website of Toronto Perl Mongers.

 

The client I am working with is in need of 2-3 PERL developers and a
Technical Lead. I was hoping that there might be professionals within your
group either looking for work, or perhaps know of others who are. 

This industry is all about networking - so if you know anyone who is looking
for work please don't hesitate to let me know. We offer a referral bonus
here at Keen Consulting, so please feel free to pass on any names of
colleagues you think would be interested.

 

The client I am working with is an ecommerce solutions company based in
downtown Toronto. These are permanent positions with a salary range of
$50-60k for Junior Developers and $70-80k (or above this due to scarcity in
the market) for Senior Developers and Leads. I will attach the job
description below for your convenience. Please let me know if you are
interested.

 

Thanks,

Kim

 

                           JOB DESCRIPTION


Position:               Perl Web Developer


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Reporting to:         Team Lead, eRetail Services

 

 

POSITION SUMMARY

 

 

Novator Systems Ltd. Is looking for an outstanding Perl Web Developer who
will play a major role in the development, maintenance, and deployment of
the Company's many exciting web-based solutions in a Perl/Apache/Sybase
environment.

 

 

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES:

 

Feature Specification and Design:

*	Understand the overall design of Novator's software tools.
*	Able to read a feature specification and understand how to implement
it.
*	Able to read a software requirement document and produce a technical
specification.

Planning, Estimating and tracking

*	Provide reliable time estimates for all development activities.
*	Provide frequent updates on the status of development activities.
*	Accurately track time per task


Code Implementation


*	Code to company quality and programming standards
*	Proactively communicate when aware of potential quality issues.
*	Build testability into code (i.e. unit tests).
*	Make proper use of source code control, tickets, and other project
tools.
*	Complete work according to provided software requirements or
specification.
*	Document code both inline and hard copy.

Communication and Teamwork

*	Open communication - seek guidance or advice when needed from senior
team members.

 

 

MINIMUM AND ESSENTIAL SKILLS AND QUALIFICATIONS

 

Education:  Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or Computer Engineering,
or equivalent.

 

Qualifications: 

*         3 or more years developing client-server web applications with
Perl in a high volume enterprise environment.

*         Strong proficiency in object oriented Perl and mod_perl is
required.

*         Demonstrable knowledge and experience with the Apache web server
and Apache modules. 

*         Excellent knowledge of standard web technologies - HTML,
JavaScript, XML, XSLT, AJAX, etc. 

*         Knowledge of database design concepts (Sybase preferred).

*         Proven experience with Debian or another Linux distribution.

*         Experience with version control and code sharing systems.

*         Able to work on several projects simultaneously

*         Able to work effectively as a member of a team

*         Excellent communication skills are essential

 

Required Technical Skills:

 

*	Perl, mod_perl
*	Apache
*	RDBMS (Sybase preferred)
*	Linux (Debian preferred)
*	XML, XSLT
*	Git, CVS
*	Previous experience working with an Internet ecommerce company an
asset

 

 

Kimberly Walton

Technical Recruiter

Keen Technology Consulting Inc.

 

99 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 218

Toronto, ON M6K 3J8

 

Phone: 416.536.5336 ext. 228

Fax: 416.536.5366

Cell: 905.741.5549

 

www.keenconsulting.ca 

 



 

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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri May 30 12:37:46 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:37:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] May Meeting Tomorrow - Thu 29 May,
	2008 - An	interpretation of an introduction to mod_perl 2
In-Reply-To: <20080528223725.52cf0422@caliope>
References: <20080528223725.52cf0422@caliope>
Message-ID: <20080530153746.ki53jt9vvjwc8wsw@webmail.utoronto.ca>


Phillipe's slides can be found here:

http://gozer.ectoplasm.org/Talks/talks.html

Adam


Quoting Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>:

>
>
> (These details are also on the TPM web site: http://to.pm.org/)
>
> The next meeting is this Thursday, 29 May (Tomorrow).
>
>
>     Date:   Thursday 29 May 2008
>
>     Time:   6:45pm
>
>     Cost:   Free!
>
>    Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
>             with the CIBC logo on top) Classroom 11 on the 8th floor
>   ===================================================================
>
> Description:
>
>     Adam is going to go through Phillipe Chaisson's "From CGI to
>     mod_perl 2.0, Fast!" slides, then follow that up with some of detail
>     about mod_perl beyond the ResponseHandler phase touching on some
>     useful, and powerful things that mod_perl can enable you to do.
>
>
>   Note:
>
>     The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm
>     to people without building access cards.  Leading up to the
>     meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every
>     few minutes to ferry people upstairs.
>
>     After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via
>     a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the
>     front lobby.  The room and floor numbers will be left with
>     security too.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>
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