From arocker at vex.net Sat Mar 1 12:20:02 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Greedy regex question In-Reply-To: <47C8CD2E.5070907@alteeve.com> References: <47C82DB7.4070904@alteeve.com> <47C83583.8050606@alteeve.com> <35501.63.119.254.10.1204324298.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <47C8CD2E.5070907@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <39256.192.30.202.29.1204402802.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> > arocker at vex.net wrote: >> Could you post some examples of what you are trying to transform? > > Here is some sample data. I split on the '=', and am processing the > right hand side. > > Thanks!! > > Madi > > block.minor = 0 (0x0) (int) > volume.label = 'CentOS_5.1_Final' (string) > volume.disc.has_data = true (bool) > volume.ignore = false (bool) > org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_names = { 'Mount', > 'Unmount', 'Eject' } (string list) > info.capabilities = { 'volume.disc', 'volume', 'block' } (string list) > volume.is_partition = false (bool) > volume.disc.capacity = 3845259264 (0xe5320000) (uint64) > volume.mount_point = '/media/cdrom0' (string) So you want to drop the parenthesised string at the end of the line? Is there any likelihood of nested parentheses in it? E.g. (short (ugly) int) From linux at alteeve.com Sat Mar 1 15:49:22 2008 From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:49:22 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Greedy regex question In-Reply-To: <39256.192.30.202.29.1204402802.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> References: <47C82DB7.4070904@alteeve.com> <47C83583.8050606@alteeve.com> <35501.63.119.254.10.1204324298.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <47C8CD2E.5070907@alteeve.com> <39256.192.30.202.29.1204402802.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <47C9EB82.4060008@alteeve.com> arocker at vex.net wrote: >> Madi >> >> block.minor = 0 (0x0) (int) >> volume.label = 'CentOS_5.1_Final' (string) >> volume.disc.has_data = true (bool) >> volume.ignore = false (bool) >> org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_names = { 'Mount', >> 'Unmount', 'Eject' } (string list) >> info.capabilities = { 'volume.disc', 'volume', 'block' } (string list) >> volume.is_partition = false (bool) >> volume.disc.capacity = 3845259264 (0xe5320000) (uint64) >> volume.mount_point = '/media/cdrom0' (string) > > So you want to drop the parenthesised string at the end of the line? > Is there any likelihood of nested parentheses in it? > E.g. (short (ugly) int) Yes to the first question, Nope to the second. :) Thanks! Madi From john at perlwolf.com Sat Mar 1 21:55:17 2008 From: john at perlwolf.com (John Macdonald) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:55:17 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Greedy regex question In-Reply-To: <47C9EB82.4060008@alteeve.com> References: <47C82DB7.4070904@alteeve.com> <47C83583.8050606@alteeve.com> <35501.63.119.254.10.1204324298.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <47C8CD2E.5070907@alteeve.com> <39256.192.30.202.29.1204402802.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <47C9EB82.4060008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080302055517.GA28320@perlwolf.com> On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > arocker at vex.net wrote: > >> Madi > >> > >> block.minor = 0 (0x0) (int) > >> volume.label = 'CentOS_5.1_Final' (string) > >> volume.disc.has_data = true (bool) > >> volume.ignore = false (bool) > >> org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_names = { 'Mount', > >> 'Unmount', 'Eject' } (string list) > >> info.capabilities = { 'volume.disc', 'volume', 'block' } (string list) > >> volume.is_partition = false (bool) > >> volume.disc.capacity = 3845259264 (0xe5320000) (uint64) > >> volume.mount_point = '/media/cdrom0' (string) > > > > So you want to drop the parenthesised string at the end of the line? > > Is there any likelihood of nested parentheses in it? > > E.g. (short (ugly) int) > > Yes to the first question, Nope to the second. :) > > Thanks! s/\s*\([^)]*\)\s*$// (which accepts trailing blanks in the input, and clean them outafter removing the final (stuff) chunk). > > Madi > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From arocker at vex.net Sun Mar 2 07:06:46 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Greedy regex question In-Reply-To: <47C9EB82.4060008@alteeve.com> References: <47C82DB7.4070904@alteeve.com> <47C83583.8050606@alteeve.com> <35501.63.119.254.10.1204324298.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <47C8CD2E.5070907@alteeve.com> <39256.192.30.202.29.1204402802.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <47C9EB82.4060008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <60037.74.12.142.37.1204470406.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> >> >> So you want to drop the parenthesised string at the end of the line? Then I suggest the following: s/\([^(]*\)$// A left-paren. \( followed by anything but left-paren. [^(] repeated. * followed by a right-paren. \) at the end of the line. $ From rdice at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 09:45:14 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:45:14 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803050945n52e3e043oa2c51dffbf7be2a4@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone out there could give me -- well, TPF -- a hand with something. Eclipsecon is coming up in about 2 weeks and it would be great if I could attend. The organizers have compped my admission and the brass within Eclipse Foundation have committed to spending a few days with me in private session there. I'm really interested in getting close to Eclipse because they've managed to pull off a few really great things -- (a) Eclipse is pervasive in industry up to and including "enterprise level" programming; it is above-the-radar and officially supported everywhere we wish Perl was, (b) Eclipse Foundation has put together a business model that allow Eclipse Foundation to do all the right things to make (a) happen, and (c) they are "mission-based", i.e. what they do they do in support of Eclipse as a concept, not for some other reason. I want (a) to work for Perl, I think TPF needs (b) in order to help make (a) happen, and (c) is the only way to go in order to respect the Perl community while doing (a) and (b). Spending quality time with the Eclipse folks is I think a really good way to go down this road. The specific help I'm looking for is if anyone out there has a bunch of frequent flier miles they'd be willing to use to spring a plane ticket on me with. This is part of a general fund-raising I'm doing to support the trip; I've raised a few $100 already and I can kick in a few $100 myself too... but not a few $1000. It is getting close to the dates for the conference so I thought maybe I could ask people around here. You gang have a pretty good sense that I'm not fly-by-night and not (too) full of BS, so your effort in support of TPF would not be futile. Or so the theory for me asking for help goes. :-) Thanks, - Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From james.a.graham at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 14:07:32 2008 From: james.a.graham at gmail.com (Jim Graham) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:07:32 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> References: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: It's in Santa Clara, CA www.eclipsecon.org/2008 On 5-Mar-08, at 4:13 PM, Jim Keenan wrote: >> From: Richard Dice > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I was wondering if anyone out there could give me -- well, TPF -- a >> hand with something. Eclipsecon is coming up in about 2 weeks and >> it would be great if I could attend. > > > Where is it? On what airline/airline alliance would you need to fly? > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us Wed Mar 5 14:20:02 2008 From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:20:02 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Presentation at last meeting Message-ID: <47CF1C92.8040907@softwareprocess.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At the last meeting I gave a brief presentation on a toy-app I was working on that lets you host an encrypted file-store remotely. Here are the slides I tried to show (projector failure): http://churchturing.org/w/ahindle-hiding-in-public.pdf And here is the source code if you want it: http://churchturing.org/w/file-sto.20080305.tar.gz (including the scripts to generate the presentation slides). Thanks for allowing me to awkwardly present, abram -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHzxySnOrfa1yW8IURAj1PAJ4sBZhmY8udiesriNZKZgZ6F5bsEwCeNvTU HXhEU/iHJ/evEq46m65Gaz0= =fghV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From talexb at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 14:42:05 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:42:05 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Presentation at last meeting In-Reply-To: <47CF1C92.8040907@softwareprocess.us> References: <47CF1C92.8040907@softwareprocess.us> Message-ID: Thanks .. your presentation with the happy and scowling boxes was fun, even though we couldn't see the slides, and it certainly provoked some interesting discussion. Nice to have the code to look at as well. Hope we see you again. Alex On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Abram Hindle < abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At the last meeting I gave a brief presentation on a toy-app I was > working on that lets you host an encrypted file-store remotely. > > Here are the slides I tried to show (projector failure): > > > http://churchturing.org/w/ahindle-hiding-in-public.pdf > > And here is the source code if you want it: > > http://churchturing.org/w/file-sto.20080305.tar.gz > > (including the scripts to generate the presentation slides). > > Thanks for allowing me to awkwardly present, > > abram > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHzxySnOrfa1yW8IURAj1PAJ4sBZhmY8udiesriNZKZgZ6F5bsEwCeNvTU > HXhEU/iHJ/evEq46m65Gaz0= > =fghV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080305/60f80d96/attachment.html From rdice at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 19:19:11 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:19:11 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> References: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803051919n125f93ado9eedaaf5c79e3c58@mail.gmail.com> San Jose, departing morning of Wed 19 March, returning noon or after Fri 21 March. Arriving at SFO (San Francisco) would be good too. (Coming from Toronto it's a lot easier to fly into SFO than SJC.) As far as alliance goes -- does that matter? If someone is doing the ticket for me then they do it on their points and just put the ticket in my name. That said, Star Alliance (i.e Air Canada and United) seem to service Toronto very well, and SFO very well too. The only other likely one I can think of for Toronto would be American Airlines. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Jim Keenan wrote: > >From: Richard Dice > > >Hi everyone, > > > >I was wondering if anyone out there could give me -- well, TPF -- a hand > with something. Eclipsecon is coming up in about 2 weeks and it would be > great if I could attend. > > > Where is it? On what airline/airline alliance would you need to fly? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080305/17eb4ea7/attachment.html From rdice at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 19:22:52 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:22:52 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: References: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803051922h3fe4e66eqf4d48fa8409bb1f6@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, A follow-up -- I've received email from people suggesting they chip in cash and that perhaps a pool of such could take the place of a ticket bought on points. That's a workable idea too. (Not where I wanted to go to first but I have to admit it would work out well.) If that seems like something that appeals please email me. If that effort covers the ground needed before the buying-on-points ideas works then I'll declare the cash pooling effort a winner instead and go with that. And, thanks very much again for the support. Cheers, - Richard On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jim Graham wrote: > It's in Santa Clara, CA > > www.eclipsecon.org/2008 > > > On 5-Mar-08, at 4:13 PM, Jim Keenan wrote: > > >> From: Richard Dice > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I was wondering if anyone out there could give me -- well, TPF -- a > >> hand with something. Eclipsecon is coming up in about 2 weeks and > >> it would be great if I could attend. > > > > > > Where is it? On what airline/airline alliance would you need to fly? > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080305/154bb7a2/attachment.html From fulko.hew at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 19:25:54 2008 From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:25:54 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803051919n125f93ado9eedaaf5c79e3c58@mail.gmail.com> References: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> <5bef4baf0803051919n125f93ado9eedaaf5c79e3c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8204a4fe0803051925w3e84c07au57c1b82532a33e1d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > San Jose, departing morning of Wed 19 March, returning noon or after Fri > 21 March. > > Arriving at SFO (San Francisco) would be good too. (Coming from Toronto > it's a lot easier to fly into SFO than SJC.) > I use JetBlue alot... How about: drive to Buffalo and take JetBlue to SFO $154 outbound, $304 homebound. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080305/8925314c/attachment-0001.html From rdice at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 19:28:42 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:28:42 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0803051925w3e84c07au57c1b82532a33e1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> <5bef4baf0803051919n125f93ado9eedaaf5c79e3c58@mail.gmail.com> <8204a4fe0803051925w3e84c07au57c1b82532a33e1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803051928x19e26beejb9cedc1806977526@mail.gmail.com> So that's $458 round-trip? The Air Canada flight out of YYZ would be $488 I think, and I think the $30 difference takes into account the gas needed to drive to Buffalo. :-) On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > > > San Jose, departing morning of Wed 19 March, returning noon or after Fri > > 21 March. > > > > Arriving at SFO (San Francisco) would be good too. (Coming from Toronto > > it's a lot easier to fly into SFO than SJC.) > > > > I use JetBlue alot... > How about: drive to Buffalo and take JetBlue to SFO $154 outbound, $304 > homebound. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080305/366f92ba/attachment.html From rdice at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 19:47:44 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:47:44 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0803051943i4f8f749dx9549cfc9ab06434@mail.gmail.com> References: <8100437.3008041204751617136.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> <5bef4baf0803051919n125f93ado9eedaaf5c79e3c58@mail.gmail.com> <8204a4fe0803051925w3e84c07au57c1b82532a33e1d@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803051928x19e26beejb9cedc1806977526@mail.gmail.com> <8204a4fe0803051943i4f8f749dx9549cfc9ab06434@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803051947v16ecc0c5wce3bb6045e3c7d37@mail.gmail.com> Ideally, from what I'm seeing I'd like a flight more in the $750 range. The difference is that the $500 flights would have me leaving so early on Friday that I wouldn't really be able to do any meetings on that day. The $750 ones leave late enough I could get in another 2 meetings. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > > > So that's $458 round-trip? The Air Canada flight out of YYZ would be > > $488 I think, and I think the $30 difference takes into account the gas > > needed to drive to Buffalo. :-) > > > Wow! I thought the only place AC could fly to at that price would be > Toronto Island. > > I'm seeing Tango Plus flights as low as $326 CAD, but thats one way. > If you can do $458 round trip, thats fantastic. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this possible? Am I approaching this the wrong way entirely? Here is the exact code... (cleaned up for the post) my $shell_call="dbus-monitor --system --profile 2>&1 |"; my $dm=IO::Handle->new(); my $child_pid=getc ($dm, $shell_call) or die "Error: $!\n"; $dm->autoflush(1); push (@::pids, $child_pid); while (<$dm>) { chomp; my $line=$_; $line=~s/\s+/ /g; my ($type, $unix_time, $serial, $unknown1, $udi, $interface, $action)=split/ /, $line, 7; next if ( $type ne "sig" ); next if ( $udi !~ /\/org\/freedesktop\/Hal/ ); next if ( $udi =~ /acpi_BAT(\d+)$/ ); # Go ahead and scan. &scan_devices($conf, $dbh); } $dm->close(); Thanks! Madi From jkeen at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 07:06:42 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:06:42 -0500 Subject: [tpm] YAPC::NA::2008 in Chicago Mon-Wed June 16-18 Message-ID: <6ED94731-1288-4A1B-8B30-A312E99CE116@verizon.net> YAPC::NA is taking place in Chicago on Monday-Wednesday, June 16-18. http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008/index.html Note that this is earlier in June than has been the case for the past three years. From 2005 to 2007, the conference took place at the start of the week immediately preceding holiday weekends in both Canada and the U.S. But this year it moves back to the middle of June as was the case up through 2004. This means that the deadline for submission of talks is earlier this year as well. In fact, the deadline is next Saturday, March 15. So if you've been pondering making a presentation at YAPC, you need to submit a proposal (at least in outline) by that date: http:// conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008/newtalk. Jim Keenan From jkeen at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 07:09:48 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:09:48 -0500 Subject: [tpm] F2F Hacking, Anyone? Message-ID: <0CB02D1D-9FC9-4C8E-939F-2EACAE07A715@verizon.net> I posted this a couple of weeks back re the fact that I'll be in Toronto for several days in two weeks: "When I came to Toronto last year at the end of April, we organized a one-day mini-hackathon that accomplished almost as much as some non- mini-hackathons. IIRC, 8 people participated, 6 in human form and 2 online (one of those from Moldova!). "Would people be up for that again on, say, Saturday, March 29? If so, we'd need one or two people to arrange a hacka-space for us. (To find out what organizing a mini-hackathon takes, consult the canonical source: http://thenceforward.net/perl/yapc/YAPC-NA-2007/)." I've gotten one favorable response so far, but I'm wondering if we can move this forward a little more. Are others interested? Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From rdice at pobox.com Sat Mar 8 07:46:51 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:46:51 -0500 Subject: [tpm] F2F Hacking, Anyone? In-Reply-To: <0CB02D1D-9FC9-4C8E-939F-2EACAE07A715@verizon.net> References: <0CB02D1D-9FC9-4C8E-939F-2EACAE07A715@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803080746m36ff1d6bnd1bcf1fe2ffdf7d9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jim, Thanks for the prod regarding this again. I can spin up my find-a-venue machine again. Would you like me to do this? I've got a few people & places in mind. Cheers, - Richard On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:09 AM, James E Keenan wrote: > I posted this a couple of weeks back re the fact that I'll be in > Toronto for several days in two weeks: > > "When I came to Toronto last year at the end of April, we organized a > one-day mini-hackathon that accomplished almost as much as some non- > mini-hackathons. IIRC, 8 people participated, 6 in human form and 2 > online (one of those from Moldova!). > > "Would people be up for that again on, say, Saturday, March 29? If > so, we'd need one or two people to arrange a hacka-space for us. (To > find out what organizing a mini-hackathon takes, consult the > canonical source: http://thenceforward.net/perl/yapc/YAPC-NA-2007/) > ." > > I've gotten one favorable response so far, but I'm wondering if we > can move this forward a little more. Are others interested? > > Thank you very much. > Jim Keenan > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080308/d58cc4ac/attachment.html From linux at alteeve.com Sat Mar 8 07:57:40 2008 From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:57:40 -0500 Subject: [tpm] F2F Hacking, Anyone? In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803080746m36ff1d6bnd1bcf1fe2ffdf7d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <0CB02D1D-9FC9-4C8E-939F-2EACAE07A715@verizon.net> <5bef4baf0803080746m36ff1d6bnd1bcf1fe2ffdf7d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D2B774.5070605@alteeve.com> Richard Dice wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for the prod regarding this again. > > I can spin up my find-a-venue machine again. Would you like me to do > this? I've got a few people & places in mind. > > Cheers, > - Richard Is the Linux Caffe a possibility? It should be able to hold a small group and the owner is a pretty nice guy. Not to mention oodles of power outlets and cabled and wireless connections. Madi From rdice at pobox.com Sun Mar 9 08:16:04 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:16:04 -0500 Subject: [tpm] can you help a brother out? re: Eclipsecon In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803050945n52e3e043oa2c51dffbf7be2a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803050945n52e3e043oa2c51dffbf7be2a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803090816p6daed11dnd0be3cde51a4876b@mail.gmail.com> Hi again everyone, So, looks like small cash donations is the winner. If anyone would like to help out with this please let me know. (I've emailed off-list the people who have already expressed a wish to pass along some filthy lucre.) Cheers, - Richard On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone out there could give me -- well, TPF -- a hand > with something. Eclipsecon is coming up in about 2 weeks and it would be > great if I could attend. The organizers have compped my admission and the > brass within Eclipse Foundation have committed to spending a few days with > me in private session there. I'm really interested in getting close to > Eclipse because they've managed to pull off a few really great things -- (a) > Eclipse is pervasive in industry up to and including "enterprise level" > programming; it is above-the-radar and officially supported everywhere we > wish Perl was, (b) Eclipse Foundation has put together a business model that > allow Eclipse Foundation to do all the right things to make (a) happen, and > (c) they are "mission-based", i.e. what they do they do in support of > Eclipse as a concept, not for some other reason. I want (a) to work for > Perl, I think TPF needs (b) in order to help make (a) happen, and (c) is the > only way to go in order to respect the Perl community while doing (a) and > (b). Spending quality time with the Eclipse folks is I think a really good > way to go down this road. > > The specific help I'm looking for is if anyone out there has a bunch of > frequent flier miles they'd be willing to use to spring a plane ticket on me > with. This is part of a general fund-raising I'm doing to support the trip; > I've raised a few $100 already and I can kick in a few $100 myself too... > but not a few $1000. It is getting close to the dates for the conference so > I thought maybe I could ask people around here. You gang have a pretty good > sense that I'm not fly-by-night and not (too) full of BS, so your effort in > support of TPF would not be futile. Or so the theory for me asking for help > goes. :-) > > Thanks, > - Richard > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080309/2fd8bc3f/attachment.html From john at perlwolf.com Sun Mar 9 19:06:37 2008 From: john at perlwolf.com (John Macdonald) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:06:37 -0400 Subject: [tpm] buffering problem on input from shell command In-Reply-To: <47D1F95F.10306@alteeve.com> References: <47D1F95F.10306@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080310020637.GA5856@perlwolf.com> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 09:26:39PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > Another question, if I may. :) > > I've been struggling with a buffering problem... I listen to the > output from a shell command ('dbus-monitor --system --profile', > specifically). When certain strings come up, I need to perform some > tasks. The problem is, the data coming in is cached. > > I figured it was the usual "suffering from buffering" issue, and > tried various things I could to make the filehandle hot. Finally in > reading some of the docs I realized that making a filehandle hot only > works on output, not input. The only option I saw there was 'getc()', > but if I understand that right, it will flush after every byte, where I > want to flush on newline '\n'... Is this possible? Am I approaching this > the wrong way entirely? The problem will be that the output is being buffered by the program that is writing the data you are trying to read. That program collects a full buffer of data before it writes it out into the pipeline. No matter how fast you read the other end of the pipe, you can't read the parts that are still in the other programs buffer and not yet written - unless you have access to the code of that program to set its output buffering to unbuffered. > Here is the exact code... (cleaned up for the post) > > my $shell_call="dbus-monitor --system --profile 2>&1 |"; > my $dm=IO::Handle->new(); > my $child_pid=getc ($dm, $shell_call) or die "Error: $!\n"; > $dm->autoflush(1); > push (@::pids, $child_pid); > while (<$dm>) > { > chomp; > my $line=$_; > $line=~s/\s+/ /g; > my ($type, $unix_time, $serial, $unknown1, $udi, $interface, > $action)=split/ /, $line, 7; > next if ( $type ne "sig" ); > next if ( $udi !~ /\/org\/freedesktop\/Hal/ ); > next if ( $udi =~ /acpi_BAT(\d+)$/ ); > > # Go ahead and scan. > &scan_devices($conf, $dbh); > } > $dm->close(); > > Thanks! > > Madi > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From linux at alteeve.com Sun Mar 9 19:41:04 2008 From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:41:04 -0400 Subject: [tpm] buffering problem on input from shell command In-Reply-To: <20080310020637.GA5856@perlwolf.com> References: <47D1F95F.10306@alteeve.com> <20080310020637.GA5856@perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <47D49FC0.8010702@alteeve.com> John Macdonald wrote: > The problem will be that the output is being buffered by the program > that is writing the data you are trying to read. That program collects > a full buffer of data before it writes it out into the pipeline. No > matter how fast you read the other end of the pipe, you can't read the > parts that are still in the other programs buffer and not yet written > - unless you have access to the code of that program to set its output > buffering to unbuffered. In my case, I've tested by running the same command on another shell and the output was instant. In fact, it's by DBus's design that signals get sent ASAP, so I am not sure that the program is buffering in this case. Is there any way in particular I could test for this? Madi From john at perlwolf.com Sun Mar 9 21:27:25 2008 From: john at perlwolf.com (John Macdonald) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:27:25 -0400 Subject: [tpm] buffering problem on input from shell command In-Reply-To: <47D49FC0.8010702@alteeve.com> References: <47D1F95F.10306@alteeve.com> <20080310020637.GA5856@perlwolf.com> <47D49FC0.8010702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080310042725.GC5856@perlwolf.com> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 10:41:04PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > John Macdonald wrote: >> The problem will be that the output is being buffered by the program that >> is writing the data you are trying to read. That program collects >> a full buffer of data before it writes it out into the pipeline. No >> matter how fast you read the other end of the pipe, you can't read the >> parts that are still in the other programs buffer and not yet written >> - unless you have access to the code of that program to set its output >> buffering to unbuffered. > > In my case, I've tested by running the same command on another shell and > the output was instant. In fact, it's by DBus's design that signals get > sent ASAP, so I am not sure that the program is buffering in this case. > > Is there any way in particular I could test for this? > > Madi I think the default buffering is unbuffered if the output is going to the terminal, but buffered if it is going to a file or pipe. I don't know if there is a way around that without getting into the source program. From liam at holoweb.net Sun Mar 9 23:31:09 2008 From: liam at holoweb.net (Liam R E Quin) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:31:09 -0400 Subject: [tpm] buffering problem on input from shell command In-Reply-To: <47D49FC0.8010702@alteeve.com> References: <47D1F95F.10306@alteeve.com> <20080310020637.GA5856@perlwolf.com> <47D49FC0.8010702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1205130669.27063.80.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 22:41 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > John Macdonald wrote: > > The problem will be that the output is being buffered by the program [...] > In my case, I've tested by running the same command on another shell and > the output was instant. In fact, it's by DBus's design that signals get > sent ASAP, so I am not sure that the program is buffering in this case. The Unix (and Linux) standard I/O libraries buffer writes if the output is a file or pipe. The default buffer size varies between systems, but I've seen values from 512bytes up to 8KBytes. Some ways to hange it: via setvbuf -- requires changes to the program concerned; see the Unix or Linux man page for setbuf. Use a pty ("pseudo-teletype") to read from the program - output will be line-buffered. Unix systems only, but MS-DOS generally makes prog1 | prog2 be the same as prog1 > tmpfile prog2 < tmpfile so it' s not an issue there :-) The "expect" program is one way to do this. It's also possible to do entirely in Perl there's the Expect module for example, or using IO::Pty. Use unbuffered low-level reads and select() -- this may or may not work for your programs. IO::Select may do what you need. This will only be true if the program is actually line buffered. Most likely it will only be line buffered if it thinks it's writing to a terminal, or to a pseudo-terminal (a pty). Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org From jf647 at mac.com Mon Mar 10 09:09:44 2008 From: jf647 at mac.com (James FitzGibbon) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:09:44 -0700 Subject: [tpm] s/Toronto/London/ Message-ID: <8161A58C-0118-1000-A42F-A4E72BD8180F-Webmail-10017@mac.com> I've been far more of a lurker than an active participant in the last year, but I wanted to fire off a quick thanks to everyone in Toronto.pm before I switch locations. I've taken a position with a company in the UK and will be heading across the pond some time in the next month. Not sure how much Perl I'll get to use in the new role, but I'll try to evangelize where I can. I won't be in London proper, but I'm going to try to hook up with the folks from London.pm whenever possible (and possibly Paris.pm / Berlin.pm if my travel schedule syncs up with their meetings). Thanks again, and good luck to everyone. -- j. From linux at alteeve.com Mon Mar 10 09:22:05 2008 From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:22:05 -0400 Subject: [tpm] s/Toronto/London/ In-Reply-To: <8161A58C-0118-1000-A42F-A4E72BD8180F-Webmail-10017@mac.com> References: <8161A58C-0118-1000-A42F-A4E72BD8180F-Webmail-10017@mac.com> Message-ID: <47D5602D.2060607@alteeve.com> James FitzGibbon wrote: > I've been far more of a lurker than an active participant in the last year, but I wanted to fire off a quick thanks to everyone in Toronto.pm before I switch locations. > > I've taken a position with a company in the UK and will be heading across the pond some time in the next month. Not sure how much Perl I'll get to use in the new role, but I'll try to evangelize where I can. > > I won't be in London proper, but I'm going to try to hook up with the folks from London.pm whenever possible (and possibly Paris.pm / Berlin.pm if my travel schedule syncs up with their meetings). > > Thanks again, and good luck to everyone. > Nothing says you have to unsubscribe from the TO.pm list! :) Safe trip! Madi From sfryer at sourcery.ca Mon Mar 10 12:16:35 2008 From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:16:35 -0500 Subject: [tpm] job opp wanted Message-ID: <20080310191635.GC15909@sourcery.ca> Hi all, I'm on the hunt for a new job opportunity once again. I'm still employed, but seeking something new and exciting. If anyone knows of a company in the Toronto area (west-central), in proximity to Hamilton, or with telecommuting available, please let me know. I would be happy to respond privately with more details on my skills and experience, etc. Cheers, -- Shaun Fryer cl: 905-920-9209 From john at perlwolf.com Mon Mar 10 21:18:41 2008 From: john at perlwolf.com (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:18:41 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> Alex, did anything come of this? I'll be working downtown tomorrow, so I could join up if it is happening... (but cc my work address copied on this message) On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:17:03PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > Great - I'll be in Toronto then (but gone before the 4th week). > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:02:58PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM, David Golden wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Fernando Oliveira > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, my name is Fernando, i am brazilian and i will do to toronto to study > > > > > > > Hola?? > > > > > > > > Our meetings are on the LAST Thursday of each month. > > > > The location and times are described on our website: > > > > > > As long as there is a thread called "Hi", I thought I would say hello > > > as well. I'm from New York, but of late I'm frequently in Toronto > > > during the week seeing a client, so I've started lurking on the TPM > > > list. > > > > David, > > > > Are you by any chance available Tuesday March 11? > > > > I'm trying to get a colleague to come out to a Perlmongers meeting, > > but Thursday doesn't work for him either, so I'd like to try to > > organize a meeting on the second Tuesday of the month -- it will be an > > 'alternate universe' Perlmongers meeting, most likely for March only. > > There may be a few other folks who might be interested in attending .. > > perhaps we'll see. > > > > -- > > Alex Beamish > > Toronto, Ontario > > aka talexb > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From xdaveg at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 01:41:21 2008 From: xdaveg at gmail.com (David Golden) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:41:21 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM, John Macdonald wrote: > Alex, did anything come of this? I'll be working downtown > tomorrow, so I could join up if it is happening... > (but cc my work address copied on this message) Ironically, my plans changed last minute and now I *am* going to be in Toronto today. (Going to the airport shortly in fact.) So, likewise, if something is happening this evening, please let me know. David From rdice at pobox.com Tue Mar 11 05:34:16 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:34:16 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> I would enjoying a meeting tonight as well, assuming I'm feeling up for it. (I'm a bit under the weather right now but I'm anticipating it clearing up by the afternoon.) I suggest it be purely social. I prefer things on the earlier side, like 6-6:30pm but as these things last for a while it's really just a function of when people show up. (I could be the guy who starts earlier and leaves early.) Any suggestions for location? On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:41 AM, David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM, John Macdonald > wrote: > > Alex, did anything come of this? I'll be working downtown > > tomorrow, so I could join up if it is happening... > > (but cc my work address copied on this message) > > Ironically, my plans changed last minute and now I *am* going to be in > Toronto today. (Going to the airport shortly in fact.) > > So, likewise, if something is happening this evening, please let me know. > > David > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080311/90f19a44/attachment.html From xdaveg at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 06:32:51 2008 From: xdaveg at gmail.com (David Golden) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:32:51 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4beb40803110632k523ab63fi26ea059869cfb11c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:12 AM, John Macdonald wrote: > Sounds like we have a quorum of three and counting. Where would be a > comfortable location for everyone? I am at Bay and Front, but that is close > to the subway which makes it easy to get to most places. Anywhere in the financial district is convenient enough for me. David From rdice at pobox.com Tue Mar 11 06:35:17 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:35:17 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> C'est What used to be a gem 10-ish years ago, but it's under new (and considerably worse) management now. Of course, this means I should name some alternatives -- Smokeless Joes (John between Richmond and Adelaide, basement level) -- small, great atmosphere, terrific beer, simple menu but decent food, not good for large groups (6 maximum!) Duke of Gloucester (Yonge just north of Isabella (directly opposite church of scientology), 2nd floor) -- a wonderful english pub, rough around the edges but that just adds to the charms Beer Bistro -- (n. side of king just e. of Yonge), excellent spot, a bit upscale, very busy, could be hard to get room at a table I could try thinking of some more too. It will depend a lot on how many people think they want to show up. Cheers, - Richard On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:15 AM, John Macdonald wrote: > If we do meet near where I am working, there is "C'est What?" on Front > Street, a couple of blocks east of Yonge - when I worked in this area it was > a regular meeting place with a wide selection of beverages and good food. > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:12 AM, John Macdonald > wrote: > > > Sounds like we have a quorum of three and counting. Where would be a > > comfortable location for everyone? I am at Bay and Front, but that is close > > to the subway which makes it easy to get to most places. > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Richard Dice wrote: > > > > > I would enjoying a meeting tonight as well, assuming I'm feeling up > > > for it. (I'm a bit under the weather right now but I'm anticipating it > > > clearing up by the afternoon.) I suggest it be purely social. I prefer > > > things on the earlier side, like 6-6:30pm but as these things last for a > > > while it's really just a function of when people show up. (I could be the > > > guy who starts earlier and leaves early.) > > > > > > Any suggestions for location? > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:41 AM, David Golden > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM, John Macdonald > > > > wrote: > > > > > Alex, did anything come of this? I'll be working downtown > > > > > tomorrow, so I could join up if it is happening... > > > > > (but cc my work address copied on this message) > > > > > > > > Ironically, my plans changed last minute and now I *am* going to be > > > > in > > > > Toronto today. (Going to the airport shortly in fact.) > > > > > > > > So, likewise, if something is happening this evening, please let me > > > > know. > > > > > > > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > toronto-pm mailing list > > > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080311/964a471c/attachment-0001.html From talexb at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 06:36:02 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:36:02 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803110632k523ab63fi26ea059869cfb11c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40803110632k523ab63fi26ea059869cfb11c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:32 AM, David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:12 AM, John Macdonald > wrote: > > > Sounds like we have a quorum of three and counting. Where would be a > > comfortable location for everyone? I am at Bay and Front, but that is close > > to the subway which makes it easy to get to most places. > > Anywhere in the financial district is convenient enough for me. Just before I left the house this morning, I said to myself, Why does March 11 sound familiar? I don't think I have anything planned. Now I see we've got a few people interested after all. The person I originally invited usually has a rehearsal Thursday nights, but wants to come to a regular meeting. I'll contact him and see if he can come out. I will make arrangements with my wife, but I do plan to come out. More later. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From talexb at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 07:34:24 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:34:24 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello folks, I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. http://www.bartowel.com/regions/pubs/smokeless.phtml My colleague Ryan Pinto *is* available, so he will be joining us. It sounds like this will be right after work, so let's meet at Joe's any time after 6pm. I'm not sure of my arrival time, as I have to do something complicated transportation-wise, but I will be there. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From xdaveg at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 09:27:55 2008 From: xdaveg at gmail.com (David Golden) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:27:55 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: References: <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, bald, wear glasses and will be in a suit. If you see me wandering lost in the bar, please wave me over. David From talexb at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 09:34:04 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:34:04 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:27 PM, David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > > > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, > bald, wear glasses and will be in a suit. If you see me wandering > lost in the bar, please wave me over. David, Excellent! If I am not already there (blue denim shirt today), John will grab you. But the place really is small, so it shouldn't be a problem. :) See you tonight. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From shijialeee at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 10:10:46 2008 From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <153058.24302.qm@web50105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, > bald, wear glasses and will be in a suit. If you see me wandering > lost in the bar, please wave me over. > > David i could make it down there around 6:30pm. so looks like that would be 6 people Alex + 1 Richard David John Me(james) i would suggest somewhere else if we got more than 6 people.. other choices i can think of.. Bar Volo (huge beer selection) http://www.barvolo.com/ House on Parliament Rebel House http://www.rebelhouse.ca/ James. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From talexb at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 10:19:29 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:19:29 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <153058.24302.qm@web50105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> <153058.24302.qm@web50105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:10 PM, James.Q.L wrote: > > --- David Golden wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > > > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > > > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > > > Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, > > bald, wear glasses and will be in a suit. If you see me wandering > > lost in the bar, please wave me over. > > > > David > > i could make it down there around 6:30pm. so looks like that would be 6 people > > Alex + 1 > Richard > David > John > Me(james) James, Glad you can join us. > i would suggest somewhere else if we got more than 6 people.. I prefer not to change venues now and risk confusing people who didn't get all of the mailing list messages. We'll meet at Smokeless Joe's -- and if the party becomes too large, we can always move en masse to another location. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From shijialeee at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 10:54:35 2008 From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <532280.67851.qm@web50105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Alex Beamish wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:10 PM, James.Q.L wrote: > > > > --- David Golden wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > > > > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > > > > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > > > > > Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, > > > bald, wear glasses and will be in a suit. If you see me wandering > > > lost in the bar, please wave me over. > > > > > > David > > > > i could make it down there around 6:30pm. so looks like that would be 6 people > > > > Alex + 1 > > Richard > > David > > John > > Me(james) > > James, > > Glad you can join us. > > > i would suggest somewhere else if we got more than 6 people.. > > I prefer not to change venues now and risk confusing people who didn't > get all of the mailing list messages. We'll meet at Smokeless Joe's -- > and if the party becomes too large, we can always move en masse to > another location. > sounds good to me. see you there. > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > aka talexb > james. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From johnmacdonald at google.com Tue Mar 11 06:12:44 2008 From: johnmacdonald at google.com (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:12:44 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like we have a quorum of three and counting. Where would be a comfortable location for everyone? I am at Bay and Front, but that is close to the subway which makes it easy to get to most places. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Richard Dice wrote: > I would enjoying a meeting tonight as well, assuming I'm feeling up for > it. (I'm a bit under the weather right now but I'm anticipating it clearing > up by the afternoon.) I suggest it be purely social. I prefer things on > the earlier side, like 6-6:30pm but as these things last for a while it's > really just a function of when people show up. (I could be the guy who > starts earlier and leaves early.) > > Any suggestions for location? > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:41 AM, David Golden wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM, John Macdonald > > wrote: > > > Alex, did anything come of this? I'll be working downtown > > > tomorrow, so I could join up if it is happening... > > > (but cc my work address copied on this message) > > > > Ironically, my plans changed last minute and now I *am* going to be in > > Toronto today. (Going to the airport shortly in fact.) > > > > So, likewise, if something is happening this evening, please let me > > know. > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080311/a8ce501e/attachment.html From johnmacdonald at google.com Tue Mar 11 06:15:39 2008 From: johnmacdonald at google.com (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:15:39 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <8204a4fe0802261208m65a3bc7cnb19eb3b47938704f@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40802261216u2119b062l2d8c98259a33c3b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> If we do meet near where I am working, there is "C'est What?" on Front Street, a couple of blocks east of Yonge - when I worked in this area it was a regular meeting place with a wide selection of beverages and good food. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:12 AM, John Macdonald wrote: > Sounds like we have a quorum of three and counting. Where would be a > comfortable location for everyone? I am at Bay and Front, but that is close > to the subway which makes it easy to get to most places. > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Richard Dice wrote: > > > I would enjoying a meeting tonight as well, assuming I'm feeling up for > > it. (I'm a bit under the weather right now but I'm anticipating it clearing > > up by the afternoon.) I suggest it be purely social. I prefer things on > > the earlier side, like 6-6:30pm but as these things last for a while it's > > really just a function of when people show up. (I could be the guy who > > starts earlier and leaves early.) > > > > Any suggestions for location? > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:41 AM, David Golden wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM, John Macdonald > > > wrote: > > > > Alex, did anything come of this? I'll be working downtown > > > > tomorrow, so I could join up if it is happening... > > > > (but cc my work address copied on this message) > > > > > > Ironically, my plans changed last minute and now I *am* going to be in > > > Toronto today. (Going to the airport shortly in fact.) > > > > > > So, likewise, if something is happening this evening, please let me > > > know. > > > > > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > > > toronto-pm mailing list > > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080311/65a72f63/attachment.html From johnmacdonald at google.com Tue Mar 11 07:37:24 2008 From: johnmacdonald at google.com (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:24 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: References: <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2646b1720803110737k397ca514ob6e13804edd165e7@mail.gmail.com> Sounds good to me. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > Hello folks, > > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > http://www.bartowel.com/regions/pubs/smokeless.phtml > > My colleague Ryan Pinto *is* available, so he will be joining us. It > sounds like this will be right after work, so let's meet at Joe's any > time after 6pm. I'm not sure of my arrival time, as I have to do > something complicated transportation-wise, but I will be there. > > > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > aka talexb > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080311/c13b43e1/attachment.html From johnmacdonald at google.com Tue Mar 11 09:31:13 2008 From: johnmacdonald at google.com (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:31:13 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2646b1720803110931w3883a65ax5c535197332964d6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:27 PM, David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > > I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can > > get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, > bald, wear glasses I'll recognize you from seeing you in New York... > and will be in a suit. even in disguise. > If you see me wandering > lost in the bar, please wave me over. > > David > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080311/a847b36b/attachment.html From jkeen at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 16:00:23 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:00:23 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Hi! In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080227031703.GA25627@perlwolf.com> <20080311041841.GA14775@perlwolf.com> <5d4beb40803110141o594ed75if490a099e1087699@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110534g7e7dd6fandad73f4ebd025218@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110612n1f2f7286he1b38770b38697ff@mail.gmail.com> <2646b1720803110615l285f2feclf9e3292b87b9ed13@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803110635w2240b084o488737356d2d0fb5@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40803110927o638283eehf2edbd66b26ba4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62B3AB4D-0993-412F-A14D-E0F5FDE8C1B8@verizon.net> On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:27 PM, David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Alex Beamish > wrote: >> I'd like to propose we meet at Smokeless Joe's -- it's cosy, we can >> get beer and food -- and it's not far from the Queen streetcar. > > Works for me as well. I should be there shortly after 6pm. I'm tall, > bald, wear glasses and will be in a suit. If you see me wandering > lost in the bar, please wave me over. > > David > ___ If you're on ircperlorg #tpm, I'll virtually join you. From linux at alteeve.com Wed Mar 12 03:58:37 2008 From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:58:37 -0400 Subject: [tpm] gethostbyname and IPv6 Message-ID: <47D7B75D.9080204@alteeve.com> Hi all, I want to create a generic way of taking a name and resolving it's IP address (assuming it has one), be it IPv4 or IPv6. I've come to realize that gethostbyname() fails when a name is a valid name for an IPv6 address. Though I admit my testing methods may be flawed, also. To test, I created a few test entries in my hosts file: -=-=-=- 192.168.1.50 minuet 192.168.1.98 akane 2001:db8::1428:57ab foobar -=-=-=- And then made a small SR (incomplete, but working enough). -=-=-=- sub domain_to_ip { my ($string)=@_; # This gets set to '1' if I am able to get an IP address. my $valid=0; # Try the good 'ol 'gethostbyname' print "String: [$string] via 'gethostbyname':\n"; my ($name, $aliases, $addrtype, $length, @addrs) = getaddrinfo($string); if ( ! defined $name ) { print "'gethostbyname' failed.\n"; } else { print "\tName: [$name]\n"; print "\tAliases: [$aliases]\n"; print "\taddrtype: [$name]\n"; print "\tlength: [$length]\n"; print "\taddrs: ["; foreach my $address (@addrs) { my ($a,$b,$c,$d) = unpack('C4',$address); $ip="$a,$b,$c,$d"; print "$a.$b.$c.$d, "; } print "]\n"; $valid=1; } return($valid, $ip, $type); } -=-=-=- Which I call with: -=-=-=- my $source="foobar"; my ($is_valid, $ip, $type)=domain_to_ip($source); print "Translated source: [$source] to:\n"; print "\tValid? [$is_valid]\n"; -=-=-=- When I test the names 'akane' or 'minuet', it's fine. When I test with foobar, I get no love. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!! Madi From arussell at novator.com Wed Mar 12 09:51:57 2008 From: arussell at novator.com (Andrea Russell) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:51:57 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Novator Systems - Perl Developer Opportunity - Ecommerce Message-ID: <47D80A2D.6070308@novator.com> Hello, Perl Mongers was recommended to me by one of our employees as a great place to hire excellent Perl Developers. Our company, Novator Systems is looking to hire one Intermediate to Senior level Perl Developer. This position for full time work on site at our downtown Toronto office. Ive attached the job description for you and pasted below. Please apply with your resume at careers at novator.com. 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Have noted the absence of any discussion re this Thursday's to.pm meeting. Was speaking with Alan R via that ancient communication medium, the telephone, and he urged me to post some ideas. 1. I have a talk, "Better Code via Coverage Analysis during Testing," which I first gave at Pittsburgh Perl Workshop last October. IIRC, it's supposed to fit into a 45-minute time slot. 2. "Parrot and Rakudo: Getting to 'Hello, World'": If we had gotten a hackathon session together for Saturday (which we haven't so far), this was something I was going to toss out. The concept is simple: Everybody brings in a wireless-equipped laptop, downloads Parrot, tries to configure, build and test Parrot, and then tries to build Rakudo: the Perl 6 implementation on Parrot. We see what obstacles we face in getting to first light and collaborate in troubleshooting. jimk From talexb at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 19:47:42 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:47:42 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Wazzup for Thursday? In-Reply-To: <5C9D3F2F-9A7D-4C0C-BAAF-7138EE3AB734@verizon.net> References: <5C9D3F2F-9A7D-4C0C-BAAF-7138EE3AB734@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:19 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > Alright, I've arrived in Toronto. Now why couldn't you arrange for > the balmy spring weather I got when I visited To. the last week of > March 4 years ago, eh? This will probably go down as the winter that folks will be talking about for a couple of dozen years -- maybe not the coldest, but just about the snowiest (or second snowiest) ever. That's the bad news. The good news is the Canadian spring usually lasts about three weeks, then it's full-on summer. Are you here till then, or is this just a flying visit? > Have noted the absence of any discussion re this Thursday's to.pm > meeting. Was speaking with Alan R via that ancient communication > medium, the telephone, and he urged me to post some ideas. > > 1. I have a talk, "Better Code via Coverage Analysis during > Testing," which I first gave at Pittsburgh Perl Workshop last > October. IIRC, it's supposed to fit into a 45-minute time slot. > > 2. "Parrot and Rakudo: Getting to 'Hello, World'": If we had > gotten a hackathon session together for Saturday (which we haven't so > far), this was something I was going to toss out. The concept is > simple: Everybody brings in a wireless-equipped laptop, downloads > Parrot, tries to configure, build and test Parrot, and then tries to > build Rakudo: the Perl 6 implementation on Parrot. We see what > obstacles we face in getting to first light and collaborate in > troubleshooting. I'd love to hear your Code Coverage talk -- if you deliver it Thursday, I'll miss it, as my chorus [1] is rehearsing Thursday .. in preparation for our show on .. Saturday. We usually get close to a dozen keen and thirsty Perlmongers together on the last Thursdays of each month .. I'm sorry I won't be there. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb 1. http://www.northernlightschorus.com/ From olaf at vilerichard.com Tue Mar 25 20:25:32 2008 From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:25:32 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Wazzup for Thursday? In-Reply-To: <5C9D3F2F-9A7D-4C0C-BAAF-7138EE3AB734@verizon.net> References: <5C9D3F2F-9A7D-4C0C-BAAF-7138EE3AB734@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 25-Mar-08, at 9:19 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > 1. I have a talk, "Better Code via Coverage Analysis during > Testing," which I first gave at Pittsburgh Perl Workshop last > October. IIRC, it's supposed to fit into a 45-minute time slot. > > 2. "Parrot and Rakudo: Getting to 'Hello, World'": If we had > gotten a hackathon session together for Saturday (which we haven't so > far), this was something I was going to toss out. The concept is > simple: Everybody brings in a wireless-equipped laptop, downloads > Parrot, tries to configure, build and test Parrot, and then tries to > build Rakudo: the Perl 6 implementation on Parrot. We see what > obstacles we face in getting to first light and collaborate in > troubleshooting. I'd like to put my vote in for talk #2 as I was already at your talk #1 in Pittsburgh. :) I would have been up for the hackathon, but I'm actually going to be in Ohio on Saturday, so it's not something I can manage. Olaf -- Olaf Alders olaf at vilerichard.com http://www.vilerichard.com -- folk rock http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard From fulko.hew at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 20:43:07 2008 From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:43:07 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Wazzup for Thursday? In-Reply-To: References: <5C9D3F2F-9A7D-4C0C-BAAF-7138EE3AB734@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8204a4fe0803252043t78aa857dw1250d369919da844@mail.gmail.com> OK... Since everyone is 'voting'... I'm voting for #2 also. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080325/76934811/attachment.html From arocker at vex.net Wed Mar 26 13:59:32 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [tpm] A room of one's own Message-ID: <21793.199.43.183.133.1206565172.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> We have one. (At least for tomorrow night.) #15 on the 8th floor. From jkeen at verizon.net Wed Mar 26 18:28:47 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (Jim Keenan) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:28:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tpm] A room of one's own Message-ID: <16039898.1030681206581327732.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> >From: arocker at vex.net >Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 03:59:32 CDT >To: tpm at to.pm.org >Subject: [tpm] A room of one's own >We have one. (At least for tomorrow night.) #15 on the 8th floor. > > > Okay. I'll proceed on the assumption that we meet in the lobby at 2 Bloor West at 615. If the arrangements have changed, please post. If you want to participate in this Parrot quasi-install-fest, then bring a wireless equipped laptop. Thanks, Alan, for arranging this. jimk >_______________________________________________ >toronto-pm mailing list >toronto-pm at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From magog at the-wire.com Wed Mar 26 21:35:12 2008 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:35:12 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Meeting Thursday Mar 27 (Re: A room of one's own) In-Reply-To: <16039898.1030681206581327732.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> References: <16039898.1030681206581327732.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20080327003512.0f83c26b@caliope> Jim and Alan - thanks for setting this up! And Jim - thanks for hosting - I've wanted to see this kind of seminar since forever now. I've updated http://to.pm.org/ with the meeting details. One consideration is that we won't have a wireless network unless someone brings a router of some kind, or someone figures out how to set up their laptop as an access point. I don't know how to do that - anybody else? > Okay. I'll proceed on the assumption that we meet in the lobby at 2 > Bloor West at 615. If the arrangements have changed, please post. We usually get started a little later than that - the official start time is 6:45. But 6:15 is certainly doable. Michael On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:28:47 -0500 (CDT) Jim Keenan wrote: > >From: arocker at vex.net > >Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 03:59:32 CDT > >To: tpm at to.pm.org > >Subject: [tpm] A room of one's own > > >We have one. (At least for tomorrow night.) #15 on the 8th floor. > > > > > > > > Okay. I'll proceed on the assumption that we meet in the lobby at 2 > Bloor West at 615. If the arrangements have changed, please post. > > If you want to participate in this Parrot quasi-install-fest, then > bring a wireless equipped laptop. > > Thanks, Alan, for arranging this. > jimk > >_______________________________________________ > >toronto-pm mailing list > >toronto-pm at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm -- Michael Graham From olaf at vilerichard.com Thu Mar 27 05:18:28 2008 From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:18:28 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Meeting Thursday Mar 27 (Re: A room of one's own) In-Reply-To: <20080327003512.0f83c26b@caliope> References: <16039898.1030681206581327732.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> <20080327003512.0f83c26b@caliope> Message-ID: On 27-Mar-08, at 12:35 AM, Michael Graham wrote: > One consideration is that we won't have a wireless network unless > someone brings a router of some kind, or someone figures out how to > set > up their laptop as an access point. I don't know how to do that - > anybody else? Under OS X you can set up the access point under System Preferences -> Sharing -> Internet Sharing I can also bring a 5 port switch along for those who prefer using a cable. Olaf -- Olaf Alders olaf at vilerichard.com http://www.vilerichard.com -- folk rock http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard From indy at indigostar.com Thu Mar 27 12:46:38 2008 From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:46:38 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Wazzup for Thursday? References: <5C9D3F2F-9A7D-4C0C-BAAF-7138EE3AB734@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00f701c89043$478bc510$6600a8c0@roadhog> Will this "Parrot and Rakudo" thing work on a Windows PC? Indy Singh IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E Keenan" To: "Toronto Perl Mongers" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: [tpm] Wazzup for Thursday? > Alright, I've arrived in Toronto. Now why couldn't you arrange for > the balmy spring weather I got when I visited To. the last week of > March 4 years ago, eh? > > Have noted the absence of any discussion re this Thursday's to.pm > meeting. Was speaking with Alan R via that ancient communication > medium, the telephone, and he urged me to post some ideas. > > 1. I have a talk, "Better Code via Coverage Analysis during > Testing," which I first gave at Pittsburgh Perl Workshop last > October. IIRC, it's supposed to fit into a 45-minute time slot. > > 2. "Parrot and Rakudo: Getting to 'Hello, World'": If we had > gotten a hackathon session together for Saturday (which we haven't so > far), this was something I was going to toss out. The concept is > simple: Everybody brings in a wireless-equipped laptop, downloads > Parrot, tries to configure, build and test Parrot, and then tries to > build Rakudo: the Perl 6 implementation on Parrot. We see what > obstacles we face in getting to first light and collaborate in > troubleshooting. > > jimk > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From fulko.hew at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 07:11:19 2008 From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:11:19 -0400 Subject: [tpm] March's meeting Message-ID: <8204a4fe0803280711m7421ae46oe1fae03f9ab6ec8b@mail.gmail.com> I'm sorry I couldn't make it to last night's meeting... something came up at the last minute. I especially feel bad because I voted for the talk, and then didn't show up. (sorry Jim) Is someone willing to post a summary? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In both cases, participants capture the output of configuration and build and have sent me those logs via email. So a lot of user-feasibility data has been collected. I'm in the process of taking these communications and posting them to the Parrot list and/or bug-tracking system. I'll be cc-ing to.pm on these posts. And those of you who could not make the meeting are welcome to replicate what we did and post results as well. jimk From jkeen at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 10:47:54 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:47:54 -0400 Subject: [tpm] [TODO] Secure F2F user feedback for configure-build-test cycle for Parrot and languages Message-ID: <6551E21D-A303-421F-BA95-74CE7486534E@verizon.net> This ticket will serve as a marker for logging the occurrence of events where the Parrot team solicits face-to-face feedback from users as they try to configure, build and test Parrot and then to build, test and use languages on top of Parrot. We held the first event of this type (or, at least, the first to be logged in this RT) at Toronto Perlmongers last night, Thursday, March 27, 2008. I'll be opening RTs on the issues discussed there and adding a reference back to this ticket. No action needs to be taken on *this* RT except to note when such F2F sessions occur. We have submitted a proposal for one such session to take place at YAPC::NA::2008 in Chicago in June. Thank you very much. kid51 From magog at the-wire.com Fri Mar 28 10:57:05 2008 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:57:05 -0400 Subject: [tpm] March's meeting In-Reply-To: <8875AECD-3915-4713-84DE-E2879EB49E0A@verizon.net> References: <8204a4fe0803280711m7421ae46oe1fae03f9ab6ec8b@mail.gmail.com> <8875AECD-3915-4713-84DE-E2879EB49E0A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20080328135705.5c1941a0@caliope> If you're lucky enough to run one of the systems that "just works", these steps will get you to "hello world": $ svn co https://svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk parrot $ cd parrot $ perl Configure.pl $ make $ make test $ cd languages/perl6 $ make perl6 $ ./perl6 -e'say "hello world"' (My system: Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), perl 5.8.8) Michael On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:12:09 -0400 James E Keenan wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Fulko Hew wrote: > > > > I'm sorry I couldn't make it to last night's meeting... something > > came up at the last minute. I especially feel bad because > > I voted for the talk, and then didn't show up. (sorry Jim) > > > > Is someone willing to post a summary? > > > > > It was a very productive meeting because (a) we successfully build > Parrot and Rakudo (the Perl 6 implementation on Parrot) on a number > of OSes; and (b) failed to build Parrot and Rakudo on a number of > OSes. In both cases, participants capture the output of > configuration and build and have sent me those logs via email. So a > lot of user-feasibility data has been collected. > > I'm in the process of taking these communications and posting them > to the Parrot list and/or bug-tracking system. I'll be cc-ing to.pm > on these posts. And those of you who could not make the meeting are > welcome to replicate what we did and post results as well. > > jimk > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm -- Michael Graham From samogon at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 11:01:45 2008 From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia Lobsanov) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:01:45 -0400 Subject: [tpm] March's meeting In-Reply-To: <20080328135705.5c1941a0@caliope> References: <8204a4fe0803280711m7421ae46oe1fae03f9ab6ec8b@mail.gmail.com> <8875AECD-3915-4713-84DE-E2879EB49E0A@verizon.net> <20080328135705.5c1941a0@caliope> Message-ID: <33EC91E4-B479-4226-B198-0BA5BEA5B7E0@gmail.com> Works on OS X Leopard with macports' perl 5.8.8 as well. ilia. On 28-Mar-08, at 1:57 PM, Michael Graham wrote: > > If you're lucky enough to run one of the systems that "just works", > these steps will get you to "hello world": > > $ svn co https://svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk parrot > $ cd parrot > $ perl Configure.pl > $ make > $ make test > $ cd languages/perl6 > $ make perl6 > $ ./perl6 -e'say "hello world"' > > > (My system: Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), perl 5.8.8) > > > Michael > > > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:12:09 -0400 > James E Keenan wrote: > >> >> On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Fulko Hew wrote: >>> >>> I'm sorry I couldn't make it to last night's meeting... something >>> came up at the last minute. I especially feel bad because >>> I voted for the talk, and then didn't show up. (sorry Jim) >>> >>> Is someone willing to post a summary? >>> >> >> >> It was a very productive meeting because (a) we successfully build >> Parrot and Rakudo (the Perl 6 implementation on Parrot) on a number >> of OSes; and (b) failed to build Parrot and Rakudo on a number of >> OSes. In both cases, participants capture the output of >> configuration and build and have sent me those logs via email. So a >> lot of user-feasibility data has been collected. >> >> I'm in the process of taking these communications and posting them >> to the Parrot list and/or bug-tracking system. I'll be cc-ing to.pm >> on these posts. And those of you who could not make the meeting are >> welcome to replicate what we did and post results as well. >> >> jimk >> _______________________________________________ >> toronto-pm mailing list >> toronto-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > -- > Michael Graham > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From jkeen at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 13:00:40 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:00:40 -0400 Subject: [tpm] March's meeting In-Reply-To: <8875AECD-3915-4713-84DE-E2879EB49E0A@verizon.net> References: <8204a4fe0803280711m7421ae46oe1fae03f9ab6ec8b@mail.gmail.com> <8875AECD-3915-4713-84DE-E2879EB49E0A@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:12 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > > > > I'm in the process of taking these communications and posting them to > the Parrot list and/or bug-tracking system. I'll be cc-ing to.pm on > these posts. And those of you who could not make the meeting are > welcome to replicate what we did and post results as well. > > Here are links to 7 RT tickets which I opened today reflecting the discussion at last night's TPM meeting. The first ticket is an overall item. The second and third are based on Indy's reports. The fourth and fifth are based on Andy/Tom/Abram's work. The sixth and seventh are based on Seneca's work. http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52196 [TODO] Secure F2F user feedback for configure-build-test cycle for Parrot and languages http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52198 [BUG]: Test failures on Win32: t/op/arithmetics.t t/op/sprintf.t t/pmc/complex.t t/pmc/float.t http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52202 [BUG]: Rakudo build attempted on Win32 but couldn't get to Hello World http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52206 Successful Rakudo build on AMD Opteron Linux http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52208 SunOS: Somewhat noisy but successful build of Parrot and Rakudo http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52212 [BUG] Darwin configuration problem at step auto::readline diagnosed with respect to libedit and editline http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52214 [BUG] Lipo poses problems when building Parrot on Darwin with Apple-built Perl 5.8 As best I could, I tried to edit the reports you sent me to eliminate references to your directory paths. And since I didn't specifically request permission to use your names in these postings, I simply referred to "the participant." Hopefully, you'll follow these RTs and shed that anonymity. I encourage you to take a look at these items via either the web interface to our bug-tracking system (links above), the news, mail or web interfaces to the Perl 6 Internals/Parrot Porters list (web: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals/) or Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/perl.perl6.internals/topics? gvc=2). We've already received inquiries from Parrot developers about the data we generated and reported. For example: Indy: chromatic would like you to rerun those 4 failing tests with 'prove -v' (for verbose output). Apparently last night we only ran them with 'prove'. Thanks for coming last night and trying out Parrot and Perl 6. Welcome to the Parrot project and the next generation of Perl! Jim Keenan From jkeen at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 13:03:46 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:03:46 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Fwd: March's meeting References: Message-ID: Forgot one ticket: http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52204 [BUG]: Parrot build failure on parisc64 GNU/Linux From rdice at pobox.com Sat Mar 29 08:23:27 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:23:27 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I'm doing a big sponsorship meeting for TPF this coming week and so I'm spending the weekend in prep for it. I could really use some help in the creation of material to go into it. I have an idea for some slides I'd like to include. Basically, some Google Maps, showing: Map 1) - zoomed and centred to show North America, map view (not satellite) --------------- - YAPC::NA locations 1999 - 2008 (since Pittsburgh and Chicago have multiple conferences, please slightly offset these pins from each other) - TPC locations 1997 - 2008 (= the same as OSCON locations in more recent years, use a different colour for these push-pins) - YAPC::Canada 2003 location (= Ottawa, new pin colour) - Hackathon locations (Chicago, Toronto - new pin colour) Map 2) - zoomed and centred to Europe ---------------- (taking the general style of map 1) - YAPC::EU locations over the years - * Perl Workshop locations (e.g. London, French, Italian, German, Nordic - there could be others) - OSCON::EU, FOSDEM locations Map 3) - whole world ------------------ (taking the general style of Map 1) - YAPC::Asia over the years - YAPC::Other, * Perl Workshops other (e.g. YAPC::Taiwan, Beijing Perl Workshop, YAPC::AU, YAPC::Israel) - OSDC locations over the years (e.g. OSDC::Israel, OSDC::AU) - some South American conference as well? 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080329/f78d28ed/attachment.html From tentra at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 08:37:16 2008 From: tentra at gmail.com (Seneca Cunningham) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:37:16 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> On 29/03/2008, Richard Dice wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm doing a big sponsorship meeting for TPF this coming week and so I'm > spending the weekend in prep for it. I could really use some help in the > creation of material to go into it. > > I have an idea for some slides I'd like to include. Basically, some Google > Maps, showing: [map details] > This map should show the Map 1 and Map 2 pushpins as well. If anyone out > there is able to help out on such short notice please give a shout-out here! It's been a while since I last poked at this sort of stuff, but I'll see what I can do. -- Seneca Cunningham From rdice at pobox.com Sat Mar 29 08:57:30 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:57:30 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Seneca! To the degree that it is a programming job it's a Javascript programming job. And not even much of that. More a javascript copy/paste/minor-edit job. You need to have a server to host this on in order to tap into the Google Maps API, and you need to register a user key that ties to your web host with Google in order to use the API. Then, the job becomes - - create a bone simple web page - put the javascript block in it that creates a basic google map (their online docs are really good to give you a starter) - figure out how to put one push-pin into it - figure out how to put many push-pins into it and modify their attributes for colour, labels, etc. I went from zero to knowing how to do the above in about 3 hours when I did this last year. If you've done it before then getting re-familiarized with it is going to take a lot less. That's 1/2 of the job. The other 1/2 is just digging around online through the world of Perl lore re: what Perl conferences there have been and where they were on what given year. And then translating that into lat/long for Google Maps push-pins. Cheers, - Richard On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Seneca Cunningham wrote: > On 29/03/2008, Richard Dice wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm doing a big sponsorship meeting for TPF this coming week and so I'm > > spending the weekend in prep for it. I could really use some help in > the > > creation of material to go into it. > > > > I have an idea for some slides I'd like to include. Basically, some > Google > > Maps, showing: > > [map details] > > > This map should show the Map 1 and Map 2 pushpins as well. If anyone out > > there is able to help out on such short notice please give a shout-out > here! > > It's been a while since I last poked at this sort of stuff, but I'll > see what I can do. > > -- > Seneca Cunningham > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080329/845ed5b0/attachment.html From adam.prime at utoronto.ca Sat Mar 29 09:28:35 2008 From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:28:35 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EE6E33.6070205@utoronto.ca> I'll compile the locations, names and lat/long. Adam Richard Dice wrote: > Thanks, Seneca! > > To the degree that it is a programming job it's a Javascript programming > job. And not even much of that. More a javascript > copy/paste/minor-edit job. > > You need to have a server to host this on in order to tap into the > Google Maps API, and you need to register a user key that ties to your > web host with Google in order to use the API. > > Then, the job becomes - > > * create a bone simple web page > * put the javascript block in it that creates a basic google map > (their online docs are really good to give you a starter) > * figure out how to put one push-pin into it > * figure out how to put many push-pins into it and modify their > attributes for colour, labels, etc. > > I went from zero to knowing how to do the above in about 3 hours when I > did this last year. If you've done it before then getting > re-familiarized with it is going to take a lot less. > > That's 1/2 of the job. The other 1/2 is just digging around online > through the world of Perl lore re: what Perl conferences there have been > and where they were on what given year. And then translating that into > lat/long for Google Maps push-pins. > > Cheers, > - Richard > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Seneca Cunningham > wrote: > > On 29/03/2008, Richard Dice > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm doing a big sponsorship meeting for TPF this coming week and > so I'm > > spending the weekend in prep for it. I could really use some > help in the > > creation of material to go into it. > > > > I have an idea for some slides I'd like to include. Basically, > some Google > > Maps, showing: > > [map details] > > > This map should show the Map 1 and Map 2 pushpins as well. If > anyone out > > there is able to help out on such short notice please give a > shout-out here! > > It's been a while since I last poked at this sort of stuff, but I'll > see what I can do. > > -- > Seneca Cunningham > > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From rdice at pobox.com Sat Mar 29 09:33:54 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:33:54 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <47EE6E33.6070205@utoronto.ca> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> <47EE6E33.6070205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803290933t450b55bbu1764ae7a42c3b85d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, that's huge. Cheers, - Richard On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Adam Prime wrote: > I'll compile the locations, names and lat/long. > > Adam > > Richard Dice wrote: > > Thanks, Seneca! > > > > To the degree that it is a programming job it's a Javascript programming > > job. And not even much of that. More a javascript > > copy/paste/minor-edit job. > > > > You need to have a server to host this on in order to tap into the > > Google Maps API, and you need to register a user key that ties to your > > web host with Google in order to use the API. > > > > Then, the job becomes - > > > > * create a bone simple web page > > * put the javascript block in it that creates a basic google map > > (their online docs are really good to give you a starter) > > * figure out how to put one push-pin into it > > * figure out how to put many push-pins into it and modify their > > attributes for colour, labels, etc. > > > > I went from zero to knowing how to do the above in about 3 hours when I > > did this last year. If you've done it before then getting > > re-familiarized with it is going to take a lot less. > > > > That's 1/2 of the job. The other 1/2 is just digging around online > > through the world of Perl lore re: what Perl conferences there have been > > and where they were on what given year. And then translating that into > > lat/long for Google Maps push-pins. > > > > Cheers, > > - Richard > > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Seneca Cunningham > > wrote: > > > > On 29/03/2008, Richard Dice > > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I'm doing a big sponsorship meeting for TPF this coming week and > > so I'm > > > spending the weekend in prep for it. I could really use some > > help in the > > > creation of material to go into it. > > > > > > I have an idea for some slides I'd like to include. Basically, > > some Google > > > Maps, showing: > > > > [map details] > > > > > This map should show the Map 1 and Map 2 pushpins as well. If > > anyone out > > > there is able to help out on such short notice please give a > > shout-out here! > > > > It's been a while since I last poked at this sort of stuff, but I'll > > see what I can do. > > > > -- > > Seneca Cunningham > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/toronto-pm/attachments/20080329/0c314c6c/attachment.html From adam.prime at utoronto.ca Sat Mar 29 10:13:57 2008 From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:13:57 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803290933t450b55bbu1764ae7a42c3b85d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> <47EE6E33.6070205@utoronto.ca> <5bef4baf0803290933t450b55bbu1764ae7a42c3b85d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EE78D5.8090802@utoronto.ca> Some of the European workshops move around, do you want all the locations (or as many as i can find anyway?). The french and nordic workshops have definitely occurred in multiple cities. Adam Richard Dice wrote: > Thanks, that's huge. > > Cheers, > - Richard > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Adam Prime > wrote: > > I'll compile the locations, names and lat/long. > > Adam > > Richard Dice wrote: > > Thanks, Seneca! > > > > To the degree that it is a programming job it's a Javascript > programming > > job. And not even much of that. More a javascript > > copy/paste/minor-edit job. > > > > You need to have a server to host this on in order to tap into the > > Google Maps API, and you need to register a user key that ties to > your > > web host with Google in order to use the API. > > > > Then, the job becomes - > > > > * create a bone simple web page > > * put the javascript block in it that creates a basic google map > > (their online docs are really good to give you a starter) > > * figure out how to put one push-pin into it > > * figure out how to put many push-pins into it and modify their > > attributes for colour, labels, etc. > > > > I went from zero to knowing how to do the above in about 3 hours > when I > > did this last year. If you've done it before then getting > > re-familiarized with it is going to take a lot less. > > > > That's 1/2 of the job. The other 1/2 is just digging around online > > through the world of Perl lore re: what Perl conferences there > have been > > and where they were on what given year. And then translating > that into > > lat/long for Google Maps push-pins. > > > > Cheers, > > - Richard > > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Seneca Cunningham > > > >> wrote: > > > > On 29/03/2008, Richard Dice > > >> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I'm doing a big sponsorship meeting for TPF this coming > week and > > so I'm > > > spending the weekend in prep for it. I could really use some > > help in the > > > creation of material to go into it. > > > > > > I have an idea for some slides I'd like to include. > Basically, > > some Google > > > Maps, showing: > > > > [map details] > > > > > This map should show the Map 1 and Map 2 pushpins as well. If > > anyone out > > > there is able to help out on such short notice please give a > > shout-out here! > > > > It's been a while since I last poked at this sort of stuff, > but I'll > > see what I can do. > > > > -- > > Seneca Cunningham > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > toronto-pm mailing list > > toronto-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > From xdaveg at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 10:44:24 2008 From: xdaveg at gmail.com (David Golden) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:44:24 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4beb40803291044v4ff2a6e9xd73dc1c804e41616@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Richard Dice wrote: > To the degree that it is a programming job it's a Javascript programming > job. And not even much of that. More a javascript copy/paste/minor-edit > job. That said, there's certainly stuff on CPAN. I haven't used HTML::GoogleMaps but it looks like it might make it pretty easy to generate the necessary Javascript. Regards, David From rdice at pobox.com Sat Mar 29 10:55:19 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:55:19 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <5d4beb40803291044v4ff2a6e9xd73dc1c804e41616@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> <5d4beb40803291044v4ff2a6e9xd73dc1c804e41616@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803291055m10baf712vfc80154d6b4e070e@mail.gmail.com> I've used it. It's okay. For anyone with Javascript capability it's not necessary. Indeed, what it does could be replicated with cribbing from an example and then using copy/paste. Not that it matters for this project but it only exposes a small slice of the Google Maps native Javascript API. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:44 PM, David Golden wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Richard Dice wrote: > > To the degree that it is a programming job it's a Javascript programming > > job. And not even much of that. More a javascript > copy/paste/minor-edit > > job. > > That said, there's certainly stuff on CPAN. I haven't used > HTML::GoogleMaps but it looks like it might make it pretty easy to > generate the necessary Javascript. > > Regards, > David > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From tentra at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 16:07:03 2008 From: tentra at gmail.com (Seneca Cunningham) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:07:03 -0400 Subject: [tpm] some volunteer help this weekend for TPF? re: Google maps creation In-Reply-To: <47EE8C8A.6040108@utoronto.ca> References: <5bef4baf0803290823t56e4dd8ak770fb1907b8f1ca0@mail.gmail.com> <5b4f16d70803290837h6d89cf6h767c9c033f97bea7@mail.gmail.com> <5bef4baf0803290857r53f14e39rafc7f4e290f4e9e3@mail.gmail.com> <47EE6E33.6070205@utoronto.ca> <5bef4baf0803290933t450b55bbu1764ae7a42c3b85d@mail.gmail.com> <47EE78D5.8090802@utoronto.ca> <5bef4baf0803291021x12493de3h3c2935ffa08a6b92@mail.gmail.com> <47EE8C8A.6040108@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <5b4f16d70803291607l774c0aa5qc5357b5cbe2d9f89@mail.gmail.com> On 29/03/2008, Adam Prime wrote: > Here's the list. There are no doubt things missing. I'm CC'ing the > list because it's kind of amazing how far behind North America is. > Maybe it'll inspire someone. I think these maps, when they are done > would make an interesting post on perlbuzz, or use.perl or whatever. I have a map with all of these points on it, I'm just dealing with the marker situation. With twelve different conferences, plus three sets each of hackathons and workshops, it takes a bit of time to prepare a coherent set. -- Seneca Cunningham