From samogon at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 06:10:16 2008 From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia Lobsanov) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:10:16 -0500 Subject: [tpm] psiche: Perl Scalable ithreaded Component Helper Extensions Message-ID: Anybody have any experience with PSiCHE? http://www.presicient.com/psiche/ Looks like a solid project but also looks to be abandoned as the last update is in 2006. ilia. From linux at alteeve.com Tue Dec 2 07:57:28 2008 From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:57:28 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Maybe OT: Clearing CGI values in web-based apps Message-ID: <49355AE8.9070505@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've been stumped as to how to clear the CGI values passed in web-based apps. For example, when a user logs in, I show a short "you've logged in successfully" page that redirects to the main page. I had expected that to do it because the redirect calls the URL directly, but if I reload the page, it resubmits the login information. Similar after submitting orders and such. This is the kind of thing I want to prevent. I know it's possible as a lot of pages these days somehow prevent this from happening. Is this a perl-based solution or do I /shudder/ have to use JS? If it's JS, can I bother the list for some help or pointers, even if it's somewhat off-topic? Thanks!! madi From adam.prime at utoronto.ca Tue Dec 2 08:06:56 2008 From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:06:56 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Maybe OT: Clearing CGI values in web-based apps In-Reply-To: <49355AE8.9070505@alteeve.com> References: <49355AE8.9070505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <49355D20.2070408@utoronto.ca> Generally it's a good idea to respond to POST request's with redirects, not with 200's. This gets rid of the reload problem that you're describing. The biggest problem created by this is that after the redirect you don't have access to the original POST data, unless you stashed it somewhere you can get back at. If you google 'redirect after post' there has been a fair amount of stuff written about the practice. Adam Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been stumped as to how to clear the CGI values passed in > web-based apps. > > For example, when a user logs in, I show a short "you've logged in > successfully" page that redirects to the main page. I had expected that > to do it because the redirect calls the URL directly, but if I reload > the page, it resubmits the login information. Similar after submitting > orders and such. > > This is the kind of thing I want to prevent. > > I know it's possible as a lot of pages these days somehow prevent this > from happening. Is this a perl-based solution or do I /shudder/ have to > use JS? If it's JS, can I bother the list for some help or pointers, > even if it's somewhat off-topic? > > Thanks!! > > madi > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us Tue Dec 2 08:09:16 2008 From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:09:16 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Maybe OT: Clearing CGI values in web-based apps In-Reply-To: <49355AE8.9070505@alteeve.com> (sfid-20081202_110006_828749_652BF2B7) References: <49355AE8.9070505@alteeve.com> (sfid-20081202_110006_828749_652BF2B7) Message-ID: <49355DAC.2000903@softwareprocess.us> I'm not sure clearing is what you want to do. You probably should send them a token per each login attempt. They have to return that token to you. You have to verify the token they sent is the one you sent to them (sessions?). Once you verify that token you remove it from the session. This way if they click back and resend/reload it will send an old token. You know something isn't right and you can handle that situation anyway you want. Banks (not all but most are supposed to) do this w/ their online payments so you don't accidentally pay your power bill twice. So server sends login page w/ random token (token is stored in session) User fills in form, submits, token is passed back Server checks if the tokens match, if they do carry on authenticating, if not then throw an error message? Server deletes token regardless. User hits back/resend/reload sends another repeat login request. The login request token doesn't match, user gets an error you handle it anyway you want. Using this method stops a lot of clickjacking and lot of XSS issues. abram Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been stumped as to how to clear the CGI values passed in > web-based apps. > > For example, when a user logs in, I show a short "you've logged in > successfully" page that redirects to the main page. I had expected that > to do it because the redirect calls the URL directly, but if I reload > the page, it resubmits the login information. Similar after submitting > orders and such. > > This is the kind of thing I want to prevent. > > I know it's possible as a lot of pages these days somehow prevent this > from happening. Is this a perl-based solution or do I /shudder/ have to > use JS? If it's JS, can I bother the list for some help or pointers, > even if it's somewhat off-topic? > > Thanks!! > > madi > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From arocker at vex.net Tue Dec 2 14:08:09 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:08:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Perl, JBoss and STDOUT Message-ID: > > And so the problem is that the BASH programs are not (really) > printing to STDOUT anymore? > My problem turned out to be rather less mysterious than STDOUT disappearing. It was still there, but carried the message that the Java program didn't like its command-line parameters, and consequently wasn't going to play. Why it had suddenly started objecting to what it had previously accepted is now the subject of inquiry. From legrady at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 05:40:29 2008 From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:40:29 -0500 Subject: [tpm] regex visualizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8806ADCC-E598-4EF2-A700-F33121A0D374@gmail.com> If you like regular expressions, you'll love http://www.strfriend.com Tom From indy at indigostar.com Wed Dec 3 08:09:42 2008 From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:09:42 -0500 Subject: [tpm] regex visualizer References: <8806ADCC-E598-4EF2-A700-F33121A0D374@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is something wrong with the site (or with my IE). Visiting the URL with IE producec this dialog: File Download - Security Warning Do you want to download this file, or find a program online to open it? Name: strfried_com Indy Singh IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Legrady" To: "tpm Mongers" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [tpm] regex visualizer > If you like regular expressions, you'll love http://www.strfriend.com > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From jkeen at verizon.net Wed Dec 3 10:07:45 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (Jim Keenan) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:07:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tpm] regex visualizer Message-ID: <1382304265.1371461228327665271.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, -- Shaun From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 09:24:11 2008 From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:24:11 -0500 Subject: [tpm] regex visualizer In-Reply-To: <8806ADCC-E598-4EF2-A700-F33121A0D374@gmail.com> References: <8806ADCC-E598-4EF2-A700-F33121A0D374@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77f3972e0812080924y7a60e3f6x8f0a2b1fe0d8d8d5@mail.gmail.com> I tried this one, and got a "not yet implemented" element, for the positive lookahead: (?:[+-]?)(?=\d|\.\d)\d*(?:\.\d*)?(?:[Ee](?:[+-]?\d+))? On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Tom Legrady wrote: > If you like regular expressions, you'll love http://www.strfriend.com > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -- -QM Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This sort of thing seems like a > useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. > > http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for us? I've built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a little bit, but i've never looked at the internals at all. speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in december or not? We're quickly running out of time if something is. Adam From talexb at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 11:27:35 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:27:35 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Adam Prime wrote: > Olaf Alders wrote: >> >> Hey, >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? This sort of thing seems like a >> useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. >> >> >> http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html > > > Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for us? I've > built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a little bit, > but i've never looked at the internals at all. > > speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in december or > not? We're quickly running out of time if something is. I thought that next Thursday, December 18, was the default date for some sort of TPM get-together, and the default venue was the Bow and Arrow, on Yonge, North of Davisville (Richard brought a birthday cake for Perl last year, if anyone remembers). Anyone else? -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 11:34:39 2008 From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:34:39 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Works for me. Now someone must bring delicioius cake. Methinks a camel cake this year. -- dave.s.doyle at gmail.com On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Adam Prime > wrote: > > Olaf Alders wrote: > >> > >> Hey, > >> > >> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? This sort of thing seems like a > >> useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. > >> > >> > >> > http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html > > > > > > Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for us? > I've > > built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a little > bit, > > but i've never looked at the internals at all. > > > > speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in december > or > > not? We're quickly running out of time if something is. > > I thought that next Thursday, December 18, was the default date for > some sort of TPM get-together, and the default venue was the Bow and > Arrow, on Yonge, North of Davisville (Richard brought a birthday cake > for Perl last year, if anyone remembers). > > Anyone else? > > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > aka talexb > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdice at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 12:05:46 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:05:46 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0812111205k4724329dk9079be7c72566ebf@mail.gmail.com> We did Dec. 20 last year as it was auspicious - 20th b-day for Perl, ya know! I don't think that there's anything traditional of using that Thursday, but you know it probably works well! How about 7pm @ Bow & Arrow (1954 Yonge St., near Davisville Stn.) on Thu. 18th? I'll show up then and there, hopefully others will join so that I'm not nursing my drinking habit on my own. Cheers, - Richard On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Adam Prime > wrote: > > Olaf Alders wrote: > >> > >> Hey, > >> > >> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? This sort of thing seems like a > >> useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. > >> > >> > >> > http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html > > > > > > Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for us? > I've > > built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a little > bit, > > but i've never looked at the internals at all. > > > > speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in december > or > > not? We're quickly running out of time if something is. > > I thought that next Thursday, December 18, was the default date for > some sort of TPM get-together, and the default venue was the Bow and > Arrow, on Yonge, North of Davisville (Richard brought a birthday cake > for Perl last year, if anyone remembers). > > Anyone else? > > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > aka talexb > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam.prime at utoronto.ca Thu Dec 11 12:08:51 2008 From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:08:51 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0812111205k4724329dk9079be7c72566ebf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> <5bef4baf0812111205k4724329dk9079be7c72566ebf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49417353.80409@utoronto.ca> Richard Dice wrote: > We did Dec. 20 last year as it was auspicious - 20th b-day for Perl, ya > know! > > I don't think that there's anything traditional of using that Thursday, > but you know it probably works well! > > How about 7pm @ Bow & Arrow (1954 Yonge St., near Davisville Stn.) on > Thu. 18th? I'll show up then and there, hopefully others will join so > that I'm not nursing my drinking habit on my own. works for me From talexb at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 12:36:46 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:36:46 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: For some reason, I read this as a 'caramel' cake, which seemed reasonable. I must have food on the mind or something. Where did the last cake come from? Can we expect a repeat performance? Plan B is that I make a caramel camel cake. Thoughts? Alex On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Dave Doyle wrote: > Works for me. > > Now someone must bring delicioius cake. Methinks a camel cake this year. > > -- > dave.s.doyle at gmail.com > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Adam Prime >> wrote: >> > Olaf Alders wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey, >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? This sort of thing seems like a >> >> useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html >> > >> > >> > Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for us? >> > I've >> > built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a little >> > bit, >> > but i've never looked at the internals at all. >> > >> > speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in december >> > or >> > not? We're quickly running out of time if something is. >> >> I thought that next Thursday, December 18, was the default date for >> some sort of TPM get-together, and the default venue was the Bow and >> Arrow, on Yonge, North of Davisville (Richard brought a birthday cake >> for Perl last year, if anyone remembers). >> >> Anyone else? >> >> -- >> Alex Beamish >> Toronto, Ontario >> aka talexb >> _______________________________________________ >> toronto-pm mailing list >> toronto-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From rdice at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 12:50:45 2008 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:50:45 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0812111250o56a5f00cuf1815fb9a059ca48@mail.gmail.com> The cake was a special thing for Perl's 20th birthday. I don't think it's a requisite. It's not something we've done before last year. If anyone wants to bring one I suggest you talk with the manager of the Bow & Arrow first. I had to get special permission to bring one. Even then, I got some flack from the staff at the pub at the time which I had to smooth through on the fly. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: > For some reason, I read this as a 'caramel' cake, which seemed > reasonable. I must have food on the mind or something. > > Where did the last cake come from? Can we expect a repeat performance? > > Plan B is that I make a caramel camel cake. Thoughts? > > Alex > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Dave Doyle > wrote: > > Works for me. > > > > Now someone must bring delicioius cake. Methinks a camel cake this year. > > > > -- > > dave.s.doyle at gmail.com > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Adam Prime > >> wrote: > >> > Olaf Alders wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hey, > >> >> > >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? This sort of thing seems like > a > >> >> useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html > >> > > >> > > >> > Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for > us? > >> > I've > >> > built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a little > >> > bit, > >> > but i've never looked at the internals at all. > >> > > >> > speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in > december > >> > or > >> > not? 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URL: From talexb at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 12:53:54 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:53:54 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0812111250o56a5f00cuf1815fb9a059ca48@mail.gmail.com> References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> <5bef4baf0812111250o56a5f00cuf1815fb9a059ca48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Richard, In that case I'll skip making a cake -- I think I may have used up some major kitchen karma last night by making cinnamon rolls, so I'm kinda glad I'm off the hook. See youse all in a week. Alex On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Richard Dice wrote: > The cake was a special thing for Perl's 20th birthday. I don't think it's a > requisite. It's not something we've done before last year. > > If anyone wants to bring one I suggest you talk with the manager of the Bow > & Arrow first. I had to get special permission to bring one. Even then, I > got some flack from the staff at the pub at the time which I had to smooth > through on the fly. > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: >> >> For some reason, I read this as a 'caramel' cake, which seemed >> reasonable. I must have food on the mind or something. >> >> Where did the last cake come from? Can we expect a repeat performance? >> >> Plan B is that I make a caramel camel cake. Thoughts? >> >> Alex >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Dave Doyle >> wrote: >> > Works for me. >> > >> > Now someone must bring delicioius cake. Methinks a camel cake this >> > year. >> > >> > -- >> > dave.s.doyle at gmail.com >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Adam Prime >> >> wrote: >> >> > Olaf Alders wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey, >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? This sort of thing seems >> >> >> like a >> >> >> useful (and educational) way to spend a meeting or meetings. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://perlbuzz.com/2008/12/perl-mongers-at-work-pdxpm-adds-warn-to-rakudo.html >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sounds interesting to me, but who would/could lead such a thing for >> >> > us? >> >> > I've >> >> > built parrot and rakudo before, and dorked around with rakudo a >> >> > little >> >> > bit, >> >> > but i've never looked at the internals at all. >> >> > >> >> > speaking of which, is anything going to happen (social wise) in >> >> > december >> >> > or >> >> > not? We're quickly running out of time if something is. >> >> >> >> I thought that next Thursday, December 18, was the default date for >> >> some sort of TPM get-together, and the default venue was the Bow and >> >> Arrow, on Yonge, North of Davisville (Richard brought a birthday cake >> >> for Perl last year, if anyone remembers). >> >> >> >> Anyone else? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Alex Beamish >> >> Toronto, Ontario >> >> aka talexb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> toronto-pm mailing list >> >> toronto-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Alex Beamish >> Toronto, Ontario >> aka talexb >> _______________________________________________ >> toronto-pm mailing list >> toronto-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From magog at the-wire.com Thu Dec 11 14:48:29 2008 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:48:29 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Perl Mongers at work In-Reply-To: <49417353.80409@utoronto.ca> References: <4941582A.9030205@utoronto.ca> <5bef4baf0812111205k4724329dk9079be7c72566ebf@mail.gmail.com> <49417353.80409@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20081211174829.44e96fdf@caliope> Okay, so it's unanimous! I'll update the website and send out an announcement. Michael On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:08:51 -0500 Adam Prime wrote: > Richard Dice wrote: > > We did Dec. 20 last year as it was auspicious - 20th b-day for > > Perl, ya know! > > > > I don't think that there's anything traditional of using that > > Thursday, but you know it probably works well! > > > > How about 7pm @ Bow & Arrow (1954 Yonge St., near Davisville Stn.) > > on Thu. 18th? I'll show up then and there, hopefully others will > > join so that I'm not nursing my drinking habit on my own. > > works for me > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm -- Michael Graham From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us Mon Dec 15 07:58:44 2008 From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:58:44 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Not directly about perl, but about how perl people love each other... Message-ID: <49467EB4.2000501@softwareprocess.us> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1TZaElTA Noted Internet thinker and author Clay Shirky delivered one of the opening "provocations" at Supernova 2007. Using a 1300-year-old Japanese shrine as a metaphor, Clay explained how the New Network changes the basic dynamics of business and collective creativity. http://www.metafilter.com/77444/Big-Things-for-Love -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From magog at the-wire.com Mon Dec 15 09:05:43 2008 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: [tpm] December social - anyone booked the Bow and Arrow yet? Message-ID: <20081215120543.37854685@caliope> Has anyone else tried to book the Bow and Arrow yet? If not, I'll call them today and book for 10-15 people at 6:30pm this Thursday. Michael -- Michael Graham From magog at the-wire.com Mon Dec 15 14:46:42 2008 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:46:42 -0500 Subject: [tpm] December social - anyone booked the Bow and Arrow yet? In-Reply-To: <20081215120543.37854685@caliope> References: <20081215120543.37854685@caliope> Message-ID: <20081215174642.56efb141@caliope> Okay, tried to book with them, but they're not answering their phone. Their website appears to be gone too. However, I was just there a week ago and everything was fine. Do any mongers live near there? If so could you swing by and try to book us in for Thurs? Michael On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:05:43 -0500 Michael Graham wrote: > > Has anyone else tried to book the Bow and Arrow yet? If not, I'll > call them today and book for 10-15 people at 6:30pm this Thursday. > > > > Michael > > -- Michael Graham From arocker at vex.net Tue Dec 16 15:00:51 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:00:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Interesting site about debugging Message-ID: http://www.debuggingrules.com/ The book looks quite promising. From magog at the-wire.com Tue Dec 16 18:38:48 2008 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:38:48 -0500 Subject: [tpm] December Social - Dec 18 6:30pm Bow and Arrow Message-ID: <20081216213848.0cf86be6@caliope> This year's TPM December social meeting is confirmed! It will be held at Bow and Arrow this Thursday Dec 18 at 6:30pm. The Bow and Arrow is a fine pub with a good selection of microbrewery beers and a great and interesting food selection with a focus on local Ontario food. It is located at 1954 Yonge St. Just north of Davisville on the west side of Yonge St. Here's it's location according to the Google: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1954+yonge+st+toronto And here's the actually non-defunct Bow and Arrow website: http://www.thebowandarrow.ca/ (this info has also been posted to the TPM website: http://to.pm.org/) -- Michael Graham From arocker at vex.net Wed Dec 17 06:57:13 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:57:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Today's Userfriendly Message-ID: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/ is particularly apropos. From arocker at vex.net Thu Dec 18 16:23:37 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:23:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Perl, JBoss and STDOUT In-Reply-To: References: <3c8b70f74f4bd105c3086540bbb8759a.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <23e55246ab44d986faf0991bfbf3c992.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> If anybody still cares, the mystery turned out to have a very mundane explanation; the test wasn't running the code I thought. It wasn't finding the values it was seeking in STDOUT because they weren't there. The original program, (which worked), included a big chunk of code that was clearly going to be common to several programs, so I gutted it and created a module from the entrails. The first revision omitted an argument, which meant the Java program wouldn't even start. I fixed that and forwarded the revisions to the QA people. Their tests continued to work for several days, and I turned my attention to other problems. Then the tests suddenly broke. Clearly, (in retrospect), either I had sent the broken code instead of the revision, or the revision hadn't been applied. The change was made on the testing machine long enough afterwards that I didn't connect it with the problem. After all, it was a simple refactoring that had apparently worked, (because the original code was still being used for a while), and there were all sorts of other revisions being made. The lesson to draw from this is "If you refactor code, make sure that the identical results really are being produced by the new code, not just the old code continuing to run". From Mashton at 4All.com Fri Dec 19 06:16:30 2008 From: Mashton at 4All.com (Mike Ashton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:16:30 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! Message-ID: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> Today's comic at xkcd ! http://www.xkcd.com/519/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No parents were harmed in the making > the film, fortunately, but it did throw my schedule into the trash heap. > From talexb at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:33:58 2008 From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:33:58 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! In-Reply-To: <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> References: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> <5bef4baf0812190640r7441ba81oe3467d08336a8da8@mail.gmail.com> <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: As Adam points out, I was the unlucky victim of the key lime pie, which I imagined would have been freshly made, with graham cracker crust, a light, tart, fresh filling and an impertinent blob of fresh whipped cream on top. Instead I got OK pastry, about an ounce of vaguely lime-like filling, a good inch of some topping that resembled frozen Styrofoam (and tasted worse), with dollops of edible oil byproducts glopped on top. Summary: not recommended for human consumption. But I greatly enjoyed the company: Dave Doyle, Jim Harris, Seneca (and her adventures on public transit), co-workers Mike and Adam, Tom Legrady, with special guest apperance already noted. Thanks to all! Alex On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Adam Prime wrote: > Cees made a surprise appearance. We learned that one should not order key > lime pie from the Bow & Arrow, and that you can't get nacho's that are any > good in Australia. So i guess it was a fairly successful evening. > > Adam > > Richard Dice wrote: >> >> Wow! >> >> You _know_ I'm going to use this in a presentation I give some day. :-) >> >> Cheers, >> - Richard >> >> PS Apologies about not being at the December social meeting last night. >> Baby care issues erupted. No parents were harmed in the making the film, >> fortunately, but it did throw my schedule into the trash heap. >> > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb From Mashton at 4All.com Fri Dec 19 09:28:01 2008 From: Mashton at 4All.com (Mike Ashton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:28:01 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Net::FTP Message-ID: <494BD9A1.9070501@4All.com> Quick question. I've got some processes that are utilizing Net::FTP, is anyone aware of how to throttle the file transfers? Ideally I'd like to be able to set a ceiling rate that the transfer wold not exceed. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ideally I'd like to be able to set a ceiling > rate that the transfer wold not exceed. > > Any input would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Mike > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm > > From legrady at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:38:03 2008 From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:38:03 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! In-Reply-To: References: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> <5bef4baf0812190640r7441ba81oe3467d08336a8da8@mail.gmail.com> <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <2F555AA2-72D7-483B-832F-E191AAD727D6@gmail.com> In an English pub i would settle for a light tart On 19-Dec-08, at 11:33 AM, Alex Beamish wrote: > As Adam points out, I was the unlucky victim of the key lime pie, > which I imagined would have been freshly made, with graham cracker > crust, a light, tart, fresh filling and an impertinent blob of fresh > whipped cream on top. > > Instead I got OK pastry, about an ounce of vaguely lime-like filling, > a good inch of some topping that resembled frozen Styrofoam (and > tasted worse), with dollops of edible oil byproducts glopped on top. > Summary: not recommended for human consumption. > > But I greatly enjoyed the company: Dave Doyle, Jim Harris, Seneca (and > her adventures on public transit), co-workers Mike and Adam, Tom > Legrady, with special guest apperance already noted. Thanks to all! > > Alex > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Adam Prime > wrote: >> Cees made a surprise appearance. We learned that one should not >> order key >> lime pie from the Bow & Arrow, and that you can't get nacho's that >> are any >> good in Australia. So i guess it was a fairly successful evening. >> >> Adam >> >> Richard Dice wrote: >>> >>> Wow! >>> >>> You _know_ I'm going to use this in a presentation I give some >>> day. :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - Richard >>> >>> PS Apologies about not being at the December social meeting last >>> night. >>> Baby care issues erupted. No parents were harmed in the making >>> the film, >>> fortunately, but it did throw my schedule into the trash heap. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> toronto-pm mailing list >> toronto-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm >> > > > > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > aka talexb > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:45:28 2008 From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:45:28 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! In-Reply-To: <2F555AA2-72D7-483B-832F-E191AAD727D6@gmail.com> References: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> <5bef4baf0812190640r7441ba81oe3467d08336a8da8@mail.gmail.com> <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> <2F555AA2-72D7-483B-832F-E191AAD727D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good time all around I think. 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Michael On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:45:28 -0500 "Dave Doyle" wrote: > Good time all around I think. Not sure I like the venue that much > though. > > -- > dave.s.doyle at gmail.com -- Michael Graham From arocker at vex.net Fri Dec 19 13:16:30 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! In-Reply-To: <20081219161207.484e9ac6@caliope> References: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> <5bef4baf0812190640r7441ba81oe3467d08336a8da8@mail.gmail.com> <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> <2F555AA2-72D7-483B-832F-E191AAD727D6@gmail.com> <20081219161207.484e9ac6@caliope> Message-ID: <1b2158b37bcf9a75c88fd81ac6174d30.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> > The problem is that we always wait until the last minute Which reminds me, what do we have organised for February. (Seneca's on for January?) From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us Fri Dec 19 14:14:03 2008 From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.us (Abram Hindle) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:14:03 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! In-Reply-To: <20081219161207.484e9ac6@caliope> (sfid-20081219_161413_540995_A2D8C243) References: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> <5bef4baf0812190640r7441ba81oe3467d08336a8da8@mail.gmail.com> <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> <2F555AA2-72D7-483B-832F-E191AAD727D6@gmail.com> <20081219161207.484e9ac6@caliope> (sfid-20081219_161413_540995_A2D8C243) Message-ID: <494C1CAB.7010008@softwareprocess.us> How many people attended? abram Michael Graham wrote: >> Good time all around I think. Not sure I like the venue that much >> though. > > Yeah, to be honest, I think the Bow and Arrow has gone downhill a bit > in recent years. The problem is that we always wait until the last > minute to pick the location of the social, and so we sort of end up at > the Bow by default. > > Next year we should scout out a bit more. There are a lot of great > pubs in Toronto! > > > Michael > > > > > > > > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:45:28 -0500 > "Dave Doyle" wrote: > >> Good time all around I think. Not sure I like the venue that much >> though. >> >> -- >> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From legrady at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:45:22 2008 From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:45:22 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Today's comic at xkcd ! In-Reply-To: <494C1CAB.7010008@softwareprocess.us> References: <494BACBE.6070107@4All.com> <5bef4baf0812190640r7441ba81oe3467d08336a8da8@mail.gmail.com> <494BC456.7090508@utoronto.ca> <2F555AA2-72D7-483B-832F-E191AAD727D6@gmail.com> <20081219161207.484e9ac6@caliope> (sfid-20081219_161413_540995_A2D8C243) <494C1CAB.7010008@softwareprocess.us> Message-ID: <4C58EA5C-9FA7-44D7-9D56-3E641E1E07B3@gmail.com> 10 plus or minus standard allowable programmer off-by-one margin Tom On 19-Dec-08, at 5:14 PM, Abram Hindle wrote: > How many people attended? > > abram > > Michael Graham wrote: >>> Good time all around I think. Not sure I like the venue that much >>> though. >> >> Yeah, to be honest, I think the Bow and Arrow has gone downhill a bit >> in recent years. The problem is that we always wait until the last >> minute to pick the location of the social, and so we sort of end up >> at >> the Bow by default. >> >> Next year we should scout out a bit more. There are a lot of great >> pubs in Toronto! >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:45:28 -0500 >> "Dave Doyle" wrote: >> >>> Good time all around I think. Not sure I like the venue that much >>> though. >>> >>> -- >>> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-pm mailing list > toronto-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm From arocker at vex.net Sun Dec 21 09:18:46 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:18:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] I sacrifice white chickens regularly Message-ID: <066899dbc809d10e0a96cf72853c72ae.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html From psema4 at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 09:29:01 2008 From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:29:01 -0500 Subject: [tpm] I sacrifice white chickens regularly In-Reply-To: <066899dbc809d10e0a96cf72853c72ae.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> References: <066899dbc809d10e0a96cf72853c72ae.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0812230929k7ff1696p429d2e79c2ea5204@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM, wrote: > http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html LOL. So what does that make XS? (Judaist Voodoo?) I like a couple languages descriptions in the comments as well (lightly modified)... Assembly: Druidic worshippers that built the likes of stone henge. JavaScript: Seventh Day Adventism. Though it portrays itself as a mild-mannered flock of Christianity, it plays a secret role in the ultimate worldwide armageddon. Those who casually 'browse' will ultimately burn, when JavaScript is enabled. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ From arocker at vex.net Wed Dec 24 06:37:29 2008 From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:37:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [tpm] Another SAP sucker Message-ID: <54fa100ee542f954bbb573b4f2334a2b.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/24/select_comfort_sap_freeze/ Somebody should have had their future re-directed for this one.