From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 09:45:57 2007
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:45:57 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning still targeting Toronto
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0709040945o2803cae7n6d0585ebff11802d@mail.gmail.com>

This is a test of the emegency broadcast system...
A severe lightning (talks) alert is in effect
for the Toronto TPM area during the evening
on September 27th.

Had this been a real emergency, I'd be pleading for more
volunteers for presentations.  As it is, its not an emergency
yet... because, so far I've received one... whole... submission!
... and a 'maybe'.

We need more submissions!!!
So put on your thinking caps (or tin foil hats if you _really_
want to attract some lightning) and dream up a topic for
the evening.

Please send your ideas to me ASAP, so I can collect them
and announce them before the meeting.

Thanks for all your wonderful (upcoming) submissions.
Fulko
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From alexmac131 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  7 09:02:22 2007
From: alexmac131 at hotmail.com (Alex Mackinnon)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:02:22 +0000
Subject: [tpm] Addtional question
In-Reply-To: <46BB71C4.7060009@oanda.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F24EFBC8282062C840109D583C50@phx.gbl>

Hi Jane,

Sorry I was doing a review of your company and have not description of the 
position, level, etc...  Is this for a specific position or more an open 
interview ?

Alex



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From alexmac131 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  7 09:04:10 2007
From: alexmac131 at hotmail.com (Alex Mackinnon)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:04:10 +0000
Subject: [tpm] Hello all
Message-ID: <BAY135-F281ACA3C6C7C13F18725F183C50@phx.gbl>

Sorry for the noise folks, some days, like today with on call, rather burned 
out and not looking too closely at the to and cc lines of my emails.

So sorry for the extra traffic on call tends to blur the mind and dull the 
finger for typing.

Perl rocks (there on topic for the list)

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From linux at alteeve.com  Fri Sep  7 09:20:29 2007
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:20:29 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
Message-ID: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I am quite the module n00b, so please be gentle. :)

   I've got a few small, simple modules I've written that handle some 
simple functions I use often. What I want to be able to do though is:

my $foo=My::Module->new();

   Then be able to call the function/subroutines in there like this:

my $value=$foo->function($var1, $var2);

   I had tried to do:

my $value=My::Module->function($var1, $var2);

   But the first value picked up in the function is the module name... I 
don't think I should have to say in the module

sub function
{
	my ($null, $var1, $var2)=@_;
	...
}

   In order to do this. I don't like just calling the function name (as 
I currently do) because some of the funtion names are ambiguous. For 
example, one module is used to validate form values. So the function 
'phone', 'int_num', 'real_num' and so on are provided by 'NV::Validate'. 
If I want to validate the phone number then, I'd call:

my ($valid)=phone($form_phone_num);

   This is fairly ambiguous, and I'd much rather say either:

my $validate=NV::Validate->new();
my ($value)=$validate->phone($form_phone_num);

   Or

my ($value)=NV::Validate->phone($form_phone_num);

   But not have the first variable passed being the module name.

Any tips, pointers or such? Would it help to show some code samples from 
my module?

   Thanks!

Madison

From rdice at pobox.com  Fri Sep  7 09:58:16 2007
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:58:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0709070958r84852c0yf4331ee8eeaeff58@mail.gmail.com>

Madison,

The reason why you are experiencing this is because you are confusing
procedural syntax & semantics with object-oriented syntax and semantics.

Here is object-oriented.

use My::Module;
my $object = My::Module->new;
my $result = $object->method(@args);

Internally within My/Module.pm it probably looks something like:

package My::Module;

sub new {
  my $class = shift;
  return bless {}, $class;
}

sub method {
  my $self = shift;
  my @params = @_;
  ... # do stuff here
  return $value;
}

Notice the "my $self = shift;" and the "my $class = shift;" lines.  You need
to understand what "->" means.

I could write up a huge email on this subject but really that's a waste of
effort when merlyn has already done it.  Please read:

http://perldoc.perl.org/perlboot.html

It is exactly about these concepts.

Also, do you really want to do OO perl?  Maybe procedure Perl modules would
work for your purposes.

Cheers,
Richard

On 9/7/07, Madison Kelly <linux at alteeve.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>    I am quite the module n00b, so please be gentle. :)
>
>    I've got a few small, simple modules I've written that handle some
> simple functions I use often. What I want to be able to do though is:
>
> my $foo=My::Module->new();
>
>    Then be able to call the function/subroutines in there like this:
>
> my $value=$foo->function($var1, $var2);
>
>    I had tried to do:
>
> my $value=My::Module->function($var1, $var2);
>
>    But the first value picked up in the function is the module name... I
> don't think I should have to say in the module
>
> sub function
> {
>         my ($null, $var1, $var2)=@_;
>         ...
> }
>
>    In order to do this. I don't like just calling the function name (as
> I currently do) because some of the funtion names are ambiguous. For
> example, one module is used to validate form values. So the function
> 'phone', 'int_num', 'real_num' and so on are provided by 'NV::Validate'.
> If I want to validate the phone number then, I'd call:
>
> my ($valid)=phone($form_phone_num);
>
>    This is fairly ambiguous, and I'd much rather say either:
>
> my $validate=NV::Validate->new();
> my ($value)=$validate->phone($form_phone_num);
>
>    Or
>
> my ($value)=NV::Validate->phone($form_phone_num);
>
>    But not have the first variable passed being the module name.
>
> Any tips, pointers or such? Would it help to show some code samples from
> my module?
>
>    Thanks!
>
> Madison
> _______________________________________________
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri Sep  7 11:08:15 2007
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:08:15 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>

Hi Madison,

Richard already answered your question in the main, but here's
a quick work around for you. If you don't need the robustness
of object oriented programming, you can skip the step of building
an instance via a construcor (new()) and simply substitute the
pointer arrow (->) with colons (::). So for instance...

my $result_0 = Your::Procedural::function_0($var1, $var2);
my $result_1 = Your::Procedural::function_1($result_0);

The only caveat is that you will have to state the full module
name as part of the function call each time, just as above. This
will get around having to shift off the package name, or blessed
instance as the case may be.

That said however, it's very much worthwhile to learn object
oriented programming methodology and techniques. In the long run
this will make your code (especially larger applications) *much*
more maintainable and extensible. Understanding object
"inheritance" especially is extremely valuable, although I would
caution you to learn what "multiple inheritance" is, and both
why and how to avoid it.

Good luck and happy reading. :)
--
    Shaun Fryer

On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:20:29PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>    I am quite the module n00b, so please be gentle. :)
> 
>    I've got a few small, simple modules I've written that handle some 
> simple functions I use often. What I want to be able to do though is:
> 
> my $foo=My::Module->new();
> 
>    Then be able to call the function/subroutines in there like this:
> 
> my $value=$foo->function($var1, $var2);
> 
>    I had tried to do:
> 
> my $value=My::Module->function($var1, $var2);
> 
>    But the first value picked up in the function is the module name... I 
> don't think I should have to say in the module
> 
> sub function
> {
> 	my ($null, $var1, $var2)=@_;
> 	...
> }

From rdice at pobox.com  Fri Sep  7 11:43:08 2007
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:43:08 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com> <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0709071143l7a21a2e1pea491bda353c06cb@mail.gmail.com>

Shaun,


> If you don't need the robustness
> of object oriented programming, you can skip the step of building
> an instance via a construcor (new()) and simply substitute the
> pointer arrow (->) with colons (::). So for instance...
>
> my $result_0 = Your::Procedural::function_0($var1, $var2);
> my $result_1 = Your::Procedural::function_1($result_0);


Yes, certainly.  I only alluded to it in my email, when I talked about
procedural vs. object oriented Perl module programming.  I avoided going
into these details on it because they actually come out when you read the
perlboot link that I sent.

The only caveat is that you will have to state the full module
> name as part of the function call each time, just as above. This
> will get around having to shift off the package name, or blessed
> instance as the case may be.


Unless you start getting into importer/exporter stuff.  But that, as they
say, is another story. :-)

Cheers,
Richard


That said however, it's very much worthwhile to learn object
> oriented programming methodology and techniques. In the long run
> this will make your code (especially larger applications) *much*
> more maintainable and extensible. Understanding object
> "inheritance" especially is extremely valuable, although I would
> caution you to learn what "multiple inheritance" is, and both
> why and how to avoid it.
>
> Good luck and happy reading. :)
> --
>     Shaun Fryer
>
> On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:20:29PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >    I am quite the module n00b, so please be gentle. :)
> >
> >    I've got a few small, simple modules I've written that handle some
> > simple functions I use often. What I want to be able to do though is:
> >
> > my $foo=My::Module->new();
> >
> >    Then be able to call the function/subroutines in there like this:
> >
> > my $value=$foo->function($var1, $var2);
> >
> >    I had tried to do:
> >
> > my $value=My::Module->function($var1, $var2);
> >
> >    But the first value picked up in the function is the module name... I
> > don't think I should have to say in the module
> >
> > sub function
> > {
> >       my ($null, $var1, $var2)=@_;
> >       ...
> > }
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri Sep  7 13:00:28 2007
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:00:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0709071143l7a21a2e1pea491bda353c06cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com> <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
	<5bef4baf0709071143l7a21a2e1pea491bda353c06cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070907200028.GB16879@sourcery.ca>

On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 02:43:08PM -0400, Richard Dice wrote:
> into these details on it because they actually come out when you read the
> perlboot link that I sent.

Probably. Haven't read it in a few years...

> > The only caveat is that you will have to state the full module
> > name as part of the function call each time, just as above. This
> > will get around having to shift off the package name, or blessed
> > instance as the case may be.
> 
> Unless you start getting into importer/exporter stuff.  But that, as they
> say, is another story. :-)

Yeah. I figured anything involving writing to the symbol table directly
was probably a no-no at this point. ;) But for thos who're feeling ambitious,
the following is well worth a read.
http://perl.plover.com/TPC/1998/Hardware-notes.html#Manual_Exporting

Madison, here're another link that will be very useful to help get you up
and running in minimal time. http://perl.plover.com/Hello/readme.html

Cheers,
--
    Shaun Fryer


From rdice at pobox.com  Fri Sep  7 13:33:34 2007
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:33:34 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <20070907200028.GB16879@sourcery.ca>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com> <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
	<5bef4baf0709071143l7a21a2e1pea491bda353c06cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070907200028.GB16879@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0709071333y7503c5c2ic60724d8523d1b45@mail.gmail.com>

> > into these details on it because they actually come out when you read
> the
> > perlboot link that I sent.
>
> Probably. Haven't read it in a few years...


perlboot is, IMHO, a brilliant re-telling of the old story of how object
oriented programming is done in Perl.  I (and about a dozen other TPMers)
saw merlyn give a presentation of this in maybe 2004 in Buffalo.  It was a
sneak preview of the perlboot page and what is today his "Intermediate Perl"
book.  He breaks it into pieces that actually make sense taken as a gradual
progression and doesn't try to teach a whole new way of envisioning
programming as OOP introductions often are.

Cheers,
Richard
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From rdice at pobox.com  Fri Sep  7 13:33:34 2007
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:33:34 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <20070907200028.GB16879@sourcery.ca>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com> <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
	<5bef4baf0709071143l7a21a2e1pea491bda353c06cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070907200028.GB16879@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0709071333y7503c5c2ic60724d8523d1b45@mail.gmail.com>

> > into these details on it because they actually come out when you read
> the
> > perlboot link that I sent.
>
> Probably. Haven't read it in a few years...


perlboot is, IMHO, a brilliant re-telling of the old story of how object
oriented programming is done in Perl.  I (and about a dozen other TPMers)
saw merlyn give a presentation of this in maybe 2004 in Buffalo.  It was a
sneak preview of the perlboot page and what is today his "Intermediate Perl"
book.  He breaks it into pieces that actually make sense taken as a gradual
progression and doesn't try to teach a whole new way of envisioning
programming as OOP introductions often are.

Cheers,
Richard
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri Sep  7 14:35:31 2007
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:35:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0709071333y7503c5c2ic60724d8523d1b45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com> <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
	<5bef4baf0709071143l7a21a2e1pea491bda353c06cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070907200028.GB16879@sourcery.ca>
	<5bef4baf0709071333y7503c5c2ic60724d8523d1b45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070907213531.GC16879@sourcery.ca>

I just took the time to reread that. I remember that being one of the first
OOP tutorials I *ever* read. I worked through every example too. It was well
worth the effort. Wow, that seems like ages ago now. I think it'll be worth
it to go read all the stuff under "SEE ALSO" again too. I wouldn't be at all
suprised if I've forgotten a bunch of useful stuff since I last did.
--
    Shaun Fryer

On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 04:33:34PM -0400, Richard Dice wrote:
> perlboot is, IMHO, a brilliant re-telling of the old story of how object
> oriented programming is done in Perl.  I (and about a dozen other TPMers)
> saw merlyn give a presentation of this in maybe 2004 in Buffalo.  It was a
> sneak preview of the perlboot page and what is today his "Intermediate Perl"
> book.  He breaks it into pieces that actually make sense taken as a gradual
> progression and doesn't try to teach a whole new way of envisioning
> programming as OOP introductions often are.

From linux at alteeve.com  Tue Sep 11 08:45:46 2007
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:45:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl module question
In-Reply-To: <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
References: <46E17A4D.4050504@alteeve.com> <20070907180815.GA16879@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <46E6B82A.6040701@alteeve.com>

Richard and Shaun,

   Thank you very kindly, that was exactly the kind of info and pointers 
I was hoping for!!

Madi

From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 09:20:10 2007
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:20:10 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Weather Forecasting 232
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0709110920j7969be5blc46506a249d4d5f6@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome to the the new school year, and thanks to
all who have registered for our new course:

   Weather Forecasting 232

This course will focus on lightning and its side-effects on Perl.

Although it has no prerequisites (except for attendance)
this course is listed as '232' not because its related to
a serial communication standard, but because to-date we have:
  2 confirmed speakers, presenting
    3 scheduled talks, and
      2 'maybe' presenters and their talks (currently unconfirmed)

So far we expect it to be a short lecture unless we
get more (confirmed) presenters.  (Please note that any
professor contributing to this evenings class will
achieve nirvana.... you get tenure!)

So please put on your thinking caps and volunteer some
more talks by sending your submissions to me.
(Speaker registration closes on September 26.)
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From linux at alteeve.com  Tue Sep 11 11:04:52 2007
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:04:52 -0400
Subject: [tpm] "Wide character in print" error
Message-ID: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I've got another question, if I may... *shock!* :)

   I've got a program that prints to a browser. Simple enough so far. 
Some text comes from an XML file (via XML::Simple), and other text comes 
from a postgres database (set to UTF-8).

   So then; If I print to the browser normally, the unicode text coming 
from the pgsql db prints fine, but when unicode text from the XML file 
prints, I get the "Wide character in print" error, but it still prints 
okay. I don't want to "just live with it" though because this floods the 
  logs...

   If I switch binmode on STDOUT to ':utf8' (binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";), 
then the text coming from the DB is double-encoded and looks garballed, 
but the data from the XML file looks fine and *doesn't* generate the 
"Wide character..." error.

   I've written a very stripped down script to test this:

-=] test.pl [=-
#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;
use DBI qw(:sql_types);
use XML::Simple;

# Tell the program where to find the 'words' file.
my $file="./test.xml";

# Read in the words file.
my $word=XMLin($file);

my $dbh=DBI->connect("DBI:Pg:dbname=dbname", "user", "secret",
	{
		RaiseError => 1,
		AutoCommit => 1
	}
) || die "DBI connect error: $DBI::errstr\n";

binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";

# Print unicode data from the DB
my $query="SELECT usr_note FROM users WHERE usr_id=1";
my $DBreq=$dbh->prepare($query) || die "Error with query: [$query;], 
error: $DBI::errstr\n";
$DBreq->execute()  || die "Error with query: [$query;], error: 
$DBI::errstr\n";
my ($note)=$DBreq->fetchrow_array();
print "Note: [$note]\n";

# Print unicode data from the XML file
print "English : [$$word{lang}{en_CA}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n";
print "Japanese: [$$word{lang}{jp}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n";

exit(0);
-=] test.pl [=-

   Here is the XML file:

-=] test.xml [=-
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>

<words>
	<lang name="en_CA">
		<key name="long_name">Canadian English</key>
		<key name="bar">FOO.</key>
	</lang>
	<lang name="jp">
		<key name="long_name">???</key>
		<key name="bar">FOO.</key>
	</lang>
</words>
-=] test.xml [=-

   And this is a copy of the DB encoding string and stripped down schema 
and data:

-=] PgSQL stuff [=-
SET client_encoding = 'UTF8';
SET check_function_bodies = false;
SET client_min_messages = warning;

CREATE SEQUENCE usr_seq
     INCREMENT BY 1
     NO MAXVALUE
     MINVALUE 0
     CACHE 1;

CREATE TABLE users (
     usr_id integer DEFAULT nextval('usr_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL,
     usr_note text,
);

COPY users (usr_id, usr_note) FROM stdin;
1	Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is this 
handled?
\.

-=] PgSQL stuff [=-

   When I run it with (line 21): # binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";

I get:

-=] With 'binmode' commented out [=-
-Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is 
this handled? And still again...]
English : [Canadian English]
Wide character in print at ./test.pl line 32.
Japanese: [???]
=] With 'binmode' commented out [=-

   And when I run it with (line 21): binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";

-=] With 'binmode' enabled [=-
Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????????????????????????? 
How is this handled? And still again...]
English : [Canadian English]
Japanese: [???]
-=] With 'binmode' enabled [=-

   Any tips/help?

   Thanks!

A desperate Madi :)

From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Tue Sep 11 11:32:44 2007
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:32:44 -0400
Subject: [tpm] "Wide character in print" error
In-Reply-To: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20070911183244.GA263@sourcery.ca>

Hi Madison,

I'm not overly familiar with locale related issues. Plus the code you
sent appeared in my email with all line endings stripped out. Anyway,
I found this link which might prove of use to you. Seems to cover
exactly what you're asking.

    http://ahinea.com/en/tech/perl-unicode-struggle.html

If you can resend the code (even off-list) with line endings in tact,
I *might* be able to suggest something more specific.

Good luck,
--
    Shaun Fryer

On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 02:04:52PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
>    I've got another question, if I may... *shock!* :)
>    I've got a program that prints to a browser. Simple enough so far. Some text comes from an XML file (via XML::Simple), and other text comes from a postgres database (set to UTF-8).
>    So then; If I print to the browser normally, the unicode text coming from the pgsql db prints fine, but when unicode text from the XML file prints, I get the "Wide character in print" error, but it still prints okay. I don't want to "just live with it" though because this floods the   logs...
>    If I switch binmode on STDOUT to ':utf8' (binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";), then the text coming from the DB is double-encoded and looks garballed, but the data from the XML file looks fine and *doesn't* generate the "Wide character..." error.
>    I've written a very stripped down script to test this:
> -=] test.pl [=-#!/usr/bin/perl

From linux at alteeve.com  Tue Sep 11 11:35:42 2007
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:35:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Solved! Was: "Wide character in print" error
In-Reply-To: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <46E6DFFE.1030608@alteeve.com>

Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>    I've got another question, if I may... *shock!* :)
> 
>    I've got a program that prints to a browser. Simple enough so far. 
> Some text comes from an XML file (via XML::Simple), and other text comes 
> from a postgres database (set to UTF-8).
> 
>    So then; If I print to the browser normally, the unicode text coming 
> from the pgsql db prints fine, but when unicode text from the XML file 
> prints, I get the "Wide character in print" error, but it still prints 
> okay. I don't want to "just live with it" though because this floods the 
>   logs...
> 
>    If I switch binmode on STDOUT to ':utf8' (binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";), 
> then the text coming from the DB is double-encoded and looks garballed, 
> but the data from the XML file looks fine and *doesn't* generate the 
> "Wide character..." error.
> 
>    I've written a very stripped down script to test this:
> 
> -=] test.pl [=-
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use DBI qw(:sql_types);
> use XML::Simple;
> 
> # Tell the program where to find the 'words' file.
> my $file="./test.xml";
> 
> # Read in the words file.
> my $word=XMLin($file);
> 
> my $dbh=DBI->connect("DBI:Pg:dbname=dbname", "user", "secret",
> 	{
> 		RaiseError => 1,
> 		AutoCommit => 1
> 	}
> ) || die "DBI connect error: $DBI::errstr\n";
> 
> binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";
> 
> # Print unicode data from the DB
> my $query="SELECT usr_note FROM users WHERE usr_id=1";
> my $DBreq=$dbh->prepare($query) || die "Error with query: [$query;], 
> error: $DBI::errstr\n";
> $DBreq->execute()  || die "Error with query: [$query;], error: 
> $DBI::errstr\n";
> my ($note)=$DBreq->fetchrow_array();
> print "Note: [$note]\n";
> 
> # Print unicode data from the XML file
> print "English : [$$word{lang}{en_CA}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n";
> print "Japanese: [$$word{lang}{jp}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n";
> 
> exit(0);
> -=] test.pl [=-
> 
>    Here is the XML file:
> 
> -=] test.xml [=-
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
> 
> <words>
> 	<lang name="en_CA">
> 		<key name="long_name">Canadian English</key>
> 		<key name="bar">FOO.</key>
> 	</lang>
> 	<lang name="jp">
> 		<key name="long_name">???</key>
> 		<key name="bar">FOO.</key>
> 	</lang>
> </words>
> -=] test.xml [=-
> 
>    And this is a copy of the DB encoding string and stripped down schema 
> and data:
> 
> -=] PgSQL stuff [=-
> SET client_encoding = 'UTF8';
> SET check_function_bodies = false;
> SET client_min_messages = warning;
> 
> CREATE SEQUENCE usr_seq
>      INCREMENT BY 1
>      NO MAXVALUE
>      MINVALUE 0
>      CACHE 1;
> 
> CREATE TABLE users (
>      usr_id integer DEFAULT nextval('usr_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL,
>      usr_note text,
> );
> 
> COPY users (usr_id, usr_note) FROM stdin;
> 1	Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is this 
> handled?
> \.
> 
> -=] PgSQL stuff [=-
> 
>    When I run it with (line 21): # binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";
> 
> I get:
> 
> -=] With 'binmode' commented out [=-
> -Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is 
> this handled? And still again...]
> English : [Canadian English]
> Wide character in print at ./test.pl line 32.
> Japanese: [???]
> =] With 'binmode' commented out [=-
> 
>    And when I run it with (line 21): binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";
> 
> -=] With 'binmode' enabled [=-
> Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????????????????????????? 
> How is this handled? And still again...]
> English : [Canadian English]
> Japanese: [???]
> -=] With 'binmode' enabled [=-
> 
>    Any tips/help?
> 
>    Thanks!
> 
> A desperate Madi :)

   Drew from TLUG (off the list) helped me figure this one out. I had to 
enable binmode and change my DB connect string to:

my $dbh=DBI->connect("DBI:Pg:dbname=dbname", "user", "secret",
	{
		RaiseError => 1,
		AutoCommit => 1,
		pg_enable_utf8 => 1
	}
) || die "DBI connect error: $DBI::errstr\n";
binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";

   And there ya go. :)

Madi

From linux at alteeve.com  Tue Sep 11 11:42:58 2007
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:58 -0400
Subject: [tpm] "Wide character in print" error
In-Reply-To: <20070911183244.GA263@sourcery.ca>
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com> <20070911183244.GA263@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <46E6E1B2.10204@alteeve.com>

Shaun Fryer wrote:
> Hi Madison,
> 
> I'm not overly familiar with locale related issues. Plus the code you
> sent appeared in my email with all line endings stripped out. Anyway,
> I found this link which might prove of use to you. Seems to cover
> exactly what you're asking.
> 
>     http://ahinea.com/en/tech/perl-unicode-struggle.html
> 
> If you can resend the code (even off-list) with line endings in tact,
> I *might* be able to suggest something more specific.
> 
> Good luck,

Thanks Shaun,

   It's probably because my email was itself encoded as UTF-8 that the 
tail end was stripped. *sigh*. UTF-8 is hard stuff!

   Anywho, I just posted a followup. Drew (from TLUG) is in the same 
office as me, and he helped me mash it all out and now it's okay, 
*finally*! I had to tell DBI (which told perl??) that the data from the 
database was already UTF-8 encoded so that the binmode STDOUT ":utf8" 
didn't double-encode it with the connect option 'pg_enable_utf8 => 1' 
command.

   If only UTF-8 was standard from day 1! Haha, I know...

Madi

From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 11:43:49 2007
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:43:49 -0400
Subject: [tpm] "Wide character in print" error
In-Reply-To: <20070911183244.GA263@sourcery.ca>
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com> <20070911183244.GA263@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0709111143u4be83894u63c74283814edfc4@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/11/07, Shaun Fryer <sfryer at sourcery.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Madison,
>
> I'm not overly familiar with locale related issues. Plus the code you
> sent appeared in my email with all line endings stripped out. Anyway,
> I found this link which might prove of use to you. Seems to cover
> exactly what you're asking.
>
>     http://ahinea.com/en/tech/perl-unicode-struggle.html



FYI...
Funny... I just tried the examples in that web page
and I still get their:  'Wide character in print' warning messages

My perl is 5.8.8 on Fedora Core 6.
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From lyndsey at lizardpoint.com  Wed Sep 12 06:55:40 2007
From: lyndsey at lizardpoint.com (Lyndsey McCollam)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:55:40 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Is the mailing list archived somewhere?
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <011601c7f544$9ae6d9b0$9b00a8c0@Lyndseysdell>

Are the mailing list messages archived somewhere so that they can be browsed
or searched?

thanks
Lyndsey


From indy at indigostar.com  Wed Sep 12 06:03:42 2007
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:03:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Is the mailing list archived somewhere?
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
	<011601c7f544$9ae6d9b0$9b00a8c0@Lyndseysdell>
Message-ID: <002401c7f53d$589246a0$6600a8c0@roadhog>

There is no archive.

I have a copy of most of the emails.  If there is something specific you want I can search for it in my personal copies.

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyndsey McCollam" <lyndsey at lizardpoint.com>
To: "TPM Mailing List" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: [tpm] Is the mailing list archived somewhere?


> Are the mailing list messages archived somewhere so that they can be browsed
> or searched?
> 
> thanks
> Lyndsey
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm

From mike at stok.ca  Wed Sep 12 06:27:01 2007
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:27:01 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Is the mailing list archived somewhere?
In-Reply-To: <002401c7f53d$589246a0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
	<011601c7f544$9ae6d9b0$9b00a8c0@Lyndseysdell>
	<002401c7f53d$589246a0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
Message-ID: <2614241B-C400-4F00-BF69-E5B509C868DD@stok.ca>


On 12-Sep-07, at 9:03 AM, Indy Singh wrote:

> There is no archive.
>
> I have a copy of most of the emails.  If there is something  
> specific you want I can search for it in my personal copies.

[...]

>
>> Are the mailing list messages archived somewhere so that they can  
>> be browsed
>> or searched?

http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm contgains a link to  
recent archives - since April 2007.  I don't think it is searchable  
(unless google does it :-)

Mike

-- 

Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.





From lyndsey at lizardpoint.com  Wed Sep 12 08:44:20 2007
From: lyndsey at lizardpoint.com (Lyndsey McCollam)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:44:20 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Is the mailing list archived somewhere?
References: <46E6D8C4.5080100@alteeve.com>
	<011601c7f544$9ae6d9b0$9b00a8c0@Lyndseysdell>
	<002401c7f53d$589246a0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
	<2614241B-C400-4F00-BF69-E5B509C868DD@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <013301c7f553$c918b9c0$9b00a8c0@Lyndseysdell>

Thanks Mike! I tested out google a bit and yes the posts that are in the
archive appear to be googleable.

Indy, there isn't anything specific I was looking for. I was just getting
tired of always filing away emails that I never look at, "just in case". I
haven't done any perl programming in quite a while.

Lyndsey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Stok" <mike at stok.ca>
To: "Indy Singh" <indy at indigostar.com>
Cc: "Lyndsey McCollam" <lyndsey at lizardpoint.com>; "TPM Mailing List"
<tpm at to.pm.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tpm] Is the mailing list archived somewhere?


>
> On 12-Sep-07, at 9:03 AM, Indy Singh wrote:
>
> > There is no archive.
> >
> > I have a copy of most of the emails.  If there is something
> > specific you want I can search for it in my personal copies.
>
> [...]
>
> >
> >> Are the mailing list messages archived somewhere so that they can
> >> be browsed
> >> or searched?
>
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm contgains a link to
> recent archives - since April 2007.  I don't think it is searchable
> (unless google does it :-)
>
> Mike
>
> -- 
>
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/
>
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
>
>
>
>


From vvp at cogeco.ca  Fri Sep 14 12:50:49 2007
From: vvp at cogeco.ca (Viktor Pavlenko)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:50:49 -0400
Subject: [tpm] fun with closures
Message-ID: <18154.58905.731481.102610@hetman.ua>

Hi all,

here is a functional associated list I translated from an example in
an Ocaml book, I thought it was pretty cool, so decided to share:

$ cat assoc_closures.pl
----------------------------------------------------------------
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use strict;

sub nil_assoc {
    sub { die "not found\n" }
}

sub add_assoc {
    my ($k,$v,$l) = @_;
    sub { my $x = shift; return ($x eq $k) ? $v : &$l($x) }
}

my $arg = shift;

my $alist = nil_assoc;
$alist = add_assoc($_, ord($_), $alist) for 'a'..'z';

print $arg, ' => ', &$alist($arg), "\n";
----------------------------------------------------------------
$ ./assoc_closures.pl a
a => 97
$ ./assoc_closures.pl b
b => 98
$ ./assoc_closures.pl x
x => 120
$ ./assoc_closures.pl Q
not found
$ 

Have a good weekend!

Cheers,

-- 
Viktor


From arocker at vex.net  Fri Sep 21 12:59:25 2007
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Mark-Jason Dominus
Message-ID: <8779.216.40.38.230.1190404765.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


I tried to access MJD's site plover.com without success. (It timed out.)
Does anybody know if he's abandoned the site, been abducted by aliens, or
assassinated by Scientologists?


From jkeen at verizon.net  Fri Sep 21 20:24:20 2007
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:24:20 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Mark-Jason Dominus
In-Reply-To: <8779.216.40.38.230.1190404765.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <8779.216.40.38.230.1190404765.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <DB7FFD8E-AC57-4BE2-8A77-C75B531A3BEA@verizon.net>


On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:59 PM, arocker at vex.net wrote:

>
> I tried to access MJD's site plover.com without success. (It timed  
> out.)


Confirmed.

> Does anybody know if he's abandoned the site,

Don't know.  Why don't you try sending him email at his CPAN address?



From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 20:47:35 2007
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:47:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] How to Build a Lightning Rod
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0709232047t70ba0190qd96c8bd19bad7af9@mail.gmail.com>

'How to Build a Lightning Rod using Perl' could have been
a great talk, but despite all my best efforts I was unable
to coerce anyone into presenting anything even vaguely related
to 'lightning' during this Thursday's lightning talk session.

However as a result (or in retaliation) I was been able
to arrange the following presentations as alternatives:


Illia:           Consolidating Online Banking using Perl and AJAX
Olaf Alders:     Parsing UserAgent Strings
Olaf Alders:     URI::ParseSearchString::More
Alan Rocker:     Egg-sucking for Seniors
Eric Bower:      Interfacing to Sensors
James.Q.L:       Customized Form Error Message using Data::FormValidator
James.Q.L:       Perl Application Deployment
Michael Graham:  Use a Web-based Proxy to Foil Cybercafe Keyloggers


I hope everyone comes out for an informative...
if not entertaining... evening of Perl.
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 19:40:17 2007
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:40:17 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Another shocking change
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0709241940m5f3acf94n8ff5bd56ba763013@mail.gmail.com>

We've just had another strike...
Jim Harris has thrown his talk into the evening.
The agenda is now:

Illia:           Consolidating Online Banking using Perl and AJAX
Olaf Alders:     Parsing UserAgent Strings
Olaf Alders:     URI::ParseSearchString::More
Alan Rocker:     Egg-sucking for Seniors
Eric Bower:      Interfacing to Sensors
James.Q.L:       Customized Form Error Message using Data::FormValidator
James.Q.L:       Perl Application Deployment
Jim Harris:      From Logs to Locks
Michael Graham:  Use a Web-based Proxy to Foil Cybercafe Keyloggers
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 08:19:35 2007
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:19:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning strikes twice in the same place
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0709250819h2f1c63d5mfcc6eb8021036bf5@mail.gmail.com>

Its amazing that once you publish an agenda, people
are finally coerced into sending you what they've
been putting off...

...Eric (the second person since the announcement) has
sent me the _real_ title for his talk, rather than the
one I made up for him, so... the agenda is now:

Illia:           Consolidating Online Banking using Perl and AJAX
Olaf Alders:     Parsing UserAgent Strings
Olaf Alders:     URI::ParseSearchString::More
Alan Rocker:     Egg-sucking for Seniors
Eric Bower:      A USB-powered Digital Storage Oscilloscope
James.Q.L:       Customized Form Error Message using Data::FormValidator
James.Q.L:       Perl Application Deployment
Jim Harris:      From Logs to Locks
Michael Graham:  Use a Web-based Proxy to Foil Cybercafe Keyloggers
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From arocker at vex.net  Tue Sep 25 09:39:34 2007
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:39:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Lightning will strike in....
Message-ID: <55362.192.30.202.20.1190738374.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>

Classroom 5, 12th floor.



From arocker at vex.net  Wed Sep 26 08:49:58 2007
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:49:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Language dispute with Canadian content
Message-ID: <61574.74.12.142.176.1190821798.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/09/25/ruby_rails_scripting_project_failure_2_0/


From jkeen at verizon.net  Wed Sep 26 15:52:47 2007
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:52:47 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Language dispute with Canadian content
In-Reply-To: <61574.74.12.142.176.1190821798.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <61574.74.12.142.176.1190821798.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <40A7AFB4-DAE1-48A8-9558-894C2B233E94@verizon.net>


On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:49 AM, arocker at vex.net wrote:

> http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/09/25/ 
> ruby_rails_scripting_project_failure_2_0/


... where it says:

"The world's second favourite Canadian ..."

Who is first?

From mfowle at navicominc.com  Thu Sep 27 08:35:15 2007
From: mfowle at navicominc.com (Mark Fowle)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:35:15 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Language dispute with Canadian content
In-Reply-To: <40A7AFB4-DAE1-48A8-9558-894C2B233E94@verizon.net>
References: <61574.74.12.142.176.1190821798.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<40A7AFB4-DAE1-48A8-9558-894C2B233E94@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <0fbb01c8011c$0098b8e0$8d00a8c0@NavicomInc.local>

Uhm?

Theo de Raadt


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [tpm] Language dispute with Canadian content


On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:49 AM, arocker at vex.net wrote:

> http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/09/25/ 
> ruby_rails_scripting_project_failure_2_0/


... where it says:

"The world's second favourite Canadian ..."

Who is first?
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From janes.rob at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 14:00:37 2007
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:00:37 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning will strike in....
In-Reply-To: <55362.192.30.202.20.1190738374.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <55362.192.30.202.20.1190738374.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <83eac04d0709271400g2f5c2906mb6adf7d363a58a34@mail.gmail.com>

anybody got the date+time+where?  it's not on the wiki last i looked.

On 9/25/07, arocker at vex.net <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
> Classroom 5, 12th floor.
>
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From indy at indigostar.com  Thu Sep 27 14:11:46 2007
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:11:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning will strike in....
References: <55362.192.30.202.20.1190738374.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<83eac04d0709271400g2f5c2906mb6adf7d363a58a34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801c8014b$03a10b80$6600a8c0@roadhog>

The usual time and location is:

   Time:   6:45pm

   Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
            with the CIBC logo on top) Floor/Classroom TBA

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rob Janes 
  To: Toronto Perl Mongers 
  Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [tpm] Lightning will strike in....


  anybody got the date+time+where?  it's not on the wiki last i looked.


  On 9/25/07, arocker at vex.net < arocker at vex.net> wrote:
    Classroom 5, 12th floor.


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From magog at the-wire.com  Thu Sep 27 15:37:01 2007
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:37:01 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning will strike in....
In-Reply-To: <003801c8014b$03a10b80$6600a8c0@roadhog>
References: <55362.192.30.202.20.1190738374.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<83eac04d0709271400g2f5c2906mb6adf7d363a58a34@mail.gmail.com>
	<003801c8014b$03a10b80$6600a8c0@roadhog>
Message-ID: <20070927183701.1c6f0903@caliope>



It's on Classroom 5, 12th floor.

Also, it's tonight!

Michael


On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:11:46 -0400
"Indy Singh" <indy at indigostar.com> wrote:

> The usual time and location is:
> 
>    Time:   6:45pm
> 
>    Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
>             with the CIBC logo on top) Floor/Classroom TBA
> 
> Indy Singh
> IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Rob Janes 
>   To: Toronto Perl Mongers 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:00 PM
>   Subject: Re: [tpm] Lightning will strike in....
> 
> 
>   anybody got the date+time+where?  it's not on the wiki last i
> looked.
> 
> 
>   On 9/25/07, arocker at vex.net < arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>     Classroom 5, 12th floor.
> 
> 
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From arocker at vex.net  Fri Sep 28 08:09:28 2007
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] The two events I mentioned last night
Message-ID: <61802.74.12.142.2.1190992168.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>



Free Software and Open Source Symposium
http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2007/

Ontario Linux Fest
http://onlinux.ca/