From toddpresta at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  5 14:46:37 2005
From: toddpresta at sbcglobal.net (Todd Presta)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <9906CF1545A50A489C7E0A734E43AE982F0F41@vchqex01.wl.corp.valueclick.com>
Message-ID: <20050705214637.96051.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree. A frameset would definitely allow the root website to stay at thousand-oaks.pm.org and
allow some flexibility when pointing to other content areas even on other servers if necessary. 
Using frames and would basically turn the TO homepage into a portal (of sorts). It would just suck
for text-based webbrowsers (yes I use them sometimes ;)


--- Paul Jacobs <pjacobs at valueclick.com> wrote:

> The name doesn't matter. We don't even need a domain name - I think we should continue to use
> thousand-oaks.pm.org as the primary name we give out. The forwarding burden is on pm.org,
> whether your server is set up for it or not. You'd just forward to an IP. I've seen tricks with
> framesets that make it appear to be at the original address, and I have code avaialable to copy,
> but it doesn't change the url as you click through the site. That would take more programming.
> 
> On the other hand, you can point such a frameset to a subdirectory of an existing web server
> rather than it's root. That can be easier to deal with.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure I understand kind of server setup would not allow something.otherthing.com to be
> pointed to it but would allow otherthing.com to be pointed to it. It's not particularly
> important, but I'm curious.
> 
> - p
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	thousand-oaks-pm-bounces at pm.org on behalf of Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com
> Sent:	Thu 6/30/2005 2:29 PM
> To:	Andrew Woods
> Cc:	Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> Subject:	Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting
> Andrew,
> 
> No, I don't really have a solution.  What I was hoping for was to be able
> to point the domain over to some excess space on my server by having PM.ORG
> change their DNS entry.  But my server won't allow pointing a third-level
> domain in that manner.
> 
> So, I could setup a second level domain, like SOMETHING.org and probably
> get PM to point to that, but I wanted to kick that around a bit before
> taking any action.
> 
> It's not a money issue, the domains are dirt-cheap.  But what name should I
> register?
> 
> Or, should we find some other way to do it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel Sherer
> Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
> Health Net
> (818) 676-7592
> 
> 
>                                                                                                 
>                               
>                       Andrew Woods                                                              
>                               
>                       <andreww at anides.c        To:       Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com            
>                               
>                       om>                      cc:                                              
>                               
>                                                Subject:  Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until
> the next Thousand Oaks PM      
>                       06/30/2005 02:11          meeting                                         
>                               
>                       PM                                                                        
>                               
>                                                                                                 
>                               
>                                                                                                 
>                               
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel,
> 
> Is there a server available to develop the TO.pm website on.
> I've done a little work in my extra time.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~atwoods1/topm/
> 
> Click on the Camel to see a sample inner page.
> I'll be working on the navigation this week.
> I'd appreciate your thoughts.
> My goal is to present it to the group at our next meeting.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com wrote:
> > One of the action items from our last meeting was a request for more
> > reminders of meetings and to get those reminders farther in advance.
> >
> > Paul has advised us that he won't be able to attend.  So, is there
> someone
> > else from Valueclick who can let us in?  Or, should we plan to have this
> > meeting elsewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Daniel Sherer
> > Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
> > Health Net
> > (818) 676-7592
> >
> >
> >
> > This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
> > intended only for the use of the individual or entity
> > to which it is addressed. It may contain information
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> > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that  any dissemination  or copying of this
> > message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If
> > you have received this message in error, please notify
> > the  original  sender immediately by telephone or by
> > return e-mail and delete this message, along with any
> > attachments, from your computer.  Thank you.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> ################################
> Andrew Woods
> Senior Programmer
> andreww at anides.com
> 818-889-2348 Telephone
> 818-706-0125 Fax
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
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> that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure.
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
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From andreww at anides.com  Tue Jul  5 15:18:53 2005
From: andreww at anides.com (Andrew Woods)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:18:53 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM
 meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050705214637.96051.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050705214637.96051.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CB074D.2050105@anides.com>

Another idea is to use thousand-oaks.pm.org as a redirect page. It's 
easy enough using <Meta> tags, and a 1 second interval. We would still 
give out the name thousand-oaks.pm.org.  Then, We could set-up say 
http://www.to-pm.org in a location of our choosing. This way,  we don't 
need to use frames when developing (which can be a pain). This has the 
additional benefit of being able to track how people arrive on our 
homepage .




Todd Presta wrote:
> I agree. A frameset would definitely allow the root website to stay at thousand-oaks.pm.org and
> allow some flexibility when pointing to other content areas even on other servers if necessary. 
> Using frames and would basically turn the TO homepage into a portal (of sorts). It would just suck
> for text-based webbrowsers (yes I use them sometimes ;)
> 
> 
> --- Paul Jacobs <pjacobs at valueclick.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The name doesn't matter. We don't even need a domain name - I think we should continue to use
>>thousand-oaks.pm.org as the primary name we give out. The forwarding burden is on pm.org,
>>whether your server is set up for it or not. You'd just forward to an IP. I've seen tricks with
>>framesets that make it appear to be at the original address, and I have code avaialable to copy,
>>but it doesn't change the url as you click through the site. That would take more programming.
>>
>>On the other hand, you can point such a frameset to a subdirectory of an existing web server
>>rather than it's root. That can be easier to deal with.
>>
>>
>>I'm not sure I understand kind of server setup would not allow something.otherthing.com to be
>>pointed to it but would allow otherthing.com to be pointed to it. It's not particularly
>>important, but I'm curious.
>>
>>- p
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	thousand-oaks-pm-bounces at pm.org on behalf of Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com
>>Sent:	Thu 6/30/2005 2:29 PM
>>To:	Andrew Woods
>>Cc:	Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
>>Subject:	Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting
>>Andrew,
>>
>>No, I don't really have a solution.  What I was hoping for was to be able
>>to point the domain over to some excess space on my server by having PM.ORG
>>change their DNS entry.  But my server won't allow pointing a third-level
>>domain in that manner.
>>
>>So, I could setup a second level domain, like SOMETHING.org and probably
>>get PM to point to that, but I wanted to kick that around a bit before
>>taking any action.
>>
>>It's not a money issue, the domains are dirt-cheap.  But what name should I
>>register?
>>
>>Or, should we find some other way to do it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Daniel Sherer
>>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
>>Health Net
>>(818) 676-7592
>>
>>
>>                                                                                                
>>                              
>>                      Andrew Woods                                                              
>>                              
>>                      <andreww at anides.c        To:       Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com            
>>                              
>>                      om>                      cc:                                              
>>                              
>>                                               Subject:  Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until
>>the next Thousand Oaks PM      
>>                      06/30/2005 02:11          meeting                                         
>>                              
>>                      PM                                                                        
>>                              
>>                                                                                                
>>                              
>>                                                                                                
>>                              
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Daniel,
>>
>>Is there a server available to develop the TO.pm website on.
>>I've done a little work in my extra time.
>>
>>http://home.earthlink.net/~atwoods1/topm/
>>
>>Click on the Camel to see a sample inner page.
>>I'll be working on the navigation this week.
>>I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>>My goal is to present it to the group at our next meeting.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Andrew
>>
>>
>>Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com wrote:
>>
>>>One of the action items from our last meeting was a request for more
>>>reminders of meetings and to get those reminders farther in advance.
>>>
>>>Paul has advised us that he won't be able to attend.  So, is there
>>
>>someone
>>
>>>else from Valueclick who can let us in?  Or, should we plan to have this
>>>meeting elsewhere?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Daniel Sherer
>>>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
>>>Health Net
>>>(818) 676-7592
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
>>>intended only for the use of the individual or entity
>>>to which it is addressed. It may contain information
>>>that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure.
>>>If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>>notified that  any dissemination  or copying of this
>>>message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If
>>>you have received this message in error, please notify
>>>the  original  sender immediately by telephone or by
>>>return e-mail and delete this message, along with any
>>>attachments, from your computer.  Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Thousand-oaks-pm mailing list
>>>Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
>>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>################################
>>Andrew Woods
>>Senior Programmer
>>andreww at anides.com
>>818-889-2348 Telephone
>>818-706-0125 Fax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
>>intended only for the use of the individual or entity
>>to which it is addressed. It may contain information
>>that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure.
>>If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>notified that  any dissemination  or copying of this
>>message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If
>>you have received this message in error, please notify
>>the  original  sender immediately by telephone or by
>>return e-mail and delete this message, along with any
>>attachments, from your computer.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Thousand-oaks-pm mailing list
>>Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Thousand-oaks-pm mailing list
>>Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
> 
> 


-- 
################################
Andrew Woods
Senior Programmer
andreww at anides.com
818-889-2348 Telephone
818-706-0125 Fax


From toddpresta at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  5 17:18:10 2005
From: toddpresta at sbcglobal.net (Todd Presta)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:18:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <42CB074D.2050105@anides.com>
Message-ID: <20050706001810.40807.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com>

Andrew,

That would do the trick too. Do you know if Perlmongers has any policies regarding straight
redirects? I went through a random sampling of the PM sites and most of them tend to utilize the
hosting space exclusively on PM.org.


Todd

--- Andrew Woods <andreww at anides.com> wrote:

> Another idea is to use thousand-oaks.pm.org as a redirect page. It's 
> easy enough using <Meta> tags, and a 1 second interval. We would still 
> give out the name thousand-oaks.pm.org.  Then, We could set-up say 
> http://www.to-pm.org in a location of our choosing. This way,  we don't 
> need to use frames when developing (which can be a pain). This has the 
> additional benefit of being able to track how people arrive on our 
> homepage .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Todd Presta wrote:
> > I agree. A frameset would definitely allow the root website to stay at thousand-oaks.pm.org
> and
> > allow some flexibility when pointing to other content areas even on other servers if
> necessary. 
> > Using frames and would basically turn the TO homepage into a portal (of sorts). It would just
> suck
> > for text-based webbrowsers (yes I use them sometimes ;)
> > 
> > 
> > --- Paul Jacobs <pjacobs at valueclick.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>The name doesn't matter. We don't even need a domain name - I think we should continue to use
> >>thousand-oaks.pm.org as the primary name we give out. The forwarding burden is on pm.org,
> >>whether your server is set up for it or not. You'd just forward to an IP. I've seen tricks
> with
> >>framesets that make it appear to be at the original address, and I have code avaialable to
> copy,
> >>but it doesn't change the url as you click through the site. That would take more programming.
> >>
> >>On the other hand, you can point such a frameset to a subdirectory of an existing web server
> >>rather than it's root. That can be easier to deal with.
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm not sure I understand kind of server setup would not allow something.otherthing.com to be
> >>pointed to it but would allow otherthing.com to be pointed to it. It's not particularly
> >>important, but I'm curious.
> >>
> >>- p
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From:	thousand-oaks-pm-bounces at pm.org on behalf of Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com
> >>Sent:	Thu 6/30/2005 2:29 PM
> >>To:	Andrew Woods
> >>Cc:	Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> >>Subject:	Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting
> >>Andrew,
> >>
> >>No, I don't really have a solution.  What I was hoping for was to be able
> >>to point the domain over to some excess space on my server by having PM.ORG
> >>change their DNS entry.  But my server won't allow pointing a third-level
> >>domain in that manner.
> >>
> >>So, I could setup a second level domain, like SOMETHING.org and probably
> >>get PM to point to that, but I wanted to kick that around a bit before
> >>taking any action.
> >>
> >>It's not a money issue, the domains are dirt-cheap.  But what name should I
> >>register?
> >>
> >>Or, should we find some other way to do it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Daniel Sherer
> >>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
> >>Health Net
> >>(818) 676-7592
> >>
> >>
> >>                                                                                              
>  
> >>                              
> >>                      Andrew Woods                                                            
>  
> >>                              
> >>                      <andreww at anides.c        To:       Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com          
>  
> >>                              
> >>                      om>                      cc:                                            
>  
> >>                              
> >>                                               Subject:  Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks
> until
> >>the next Thousand Oaks PM      
> >>                      06/30/2005 02:11          meeting                                       
>  
> >>                              
> >>                      PM                                                                      
>  
> >>                              
> >>                                                                                              
>  
> >>                              
> >>                                                                                              
>  
> >>                              
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Daniel,
> >>
> >>Is there a server available to develop the TO.pm website on.
> >>I've done a little work in my extra time.
> >>
> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~atwoods1/topm/
> >>
> >>Click on the Camel to see a sample inner page.
> >>I'll be working on the navigation this week.
> >>I'd appreciate your thoughts.
> >>My goal is to present it to the group at our next meeting.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>One of the action items from our last meeting was a request for more
> >>>reminders of meetings and to get those reminders farther in advance.
> >>>
> >>>Paul has advised us that he won't be able to attend.  So, is there
> >>
> >>someone
> >>
> >>>else from Valueclick who can let us in?  Or, should we plan to have this
> >>>meeting elsewhere?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Daniel Sherer
> >>>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
> >>>Health Net
> >>>(818) 676-7592
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
> >>>intended only for the use of the individual or entity
> >>>to which it is addressed. It may contain information
> >>>that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure.
> >>>If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> >>>notified that  any dissemination  or copying of this
> >>>message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If
> >>>you have received this message in error, please notify
> >>>the  original  sender immediately by telephone or by
> >>>return e-mail and delete this message, along with any
> >>>attachments, from your computer.  Thank you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Thousand-oaks-pm mailing list
> >>>Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> >>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>################################
> >>Andrew Woods
> >>Senior Programmer
> >>andreww at anides.com
> >>818-889-2348 Telephone
> >>818-706-0125 Fax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
> >>intended only for the use of the individual or entity
> >>to which it is addressed. It may contain information
> >>that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure.
> >>If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> >>notified that  any dissemination  or copying of this
> >>message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If
> >>you have received this message in error, please notify
> >>the  original  sender immediately by telephone or by
> >>return e-mail and delete this message, along with any
> >>attachments, from your computer.  Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Thousand-oaks-pm mailing list
> >>Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> >>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
=== message truncated ===


From andreww at anides.com  Tue Jul  5 17:37:28 2005
From: andreww at anides.com (Andrew Woods)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:37:28 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM
 meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050706001810.40807.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050706001810.40807.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CB27C8.4030702@anides.com>


I just browsed thru http://groups.pm.org/faq.html .  I didn't see 
anything disallowing it. There was a reference that they do DNS 
forwarding. This is basically the same thing, but the power is in our 
hands to change it to whereever.

I suspect they use the PM.org hosted space because it's free. Also, 
those sites tend to be pretty small. I have a development plan for our 
group that could be pretty cool, but I need the power of Perl to harvest 
it. More on this later. To get us off the ground, I'm going to replace 
the existing pages, which I'm trying to get some time to work on.


Todd Presta wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> That would do the trick too. Do you know if Perlmongers has any policies regarding straight
> redirects? I went through a random sampling of the PM sites and most of them tend to utilize the
> hosting space exclusively on PM.org.
> 
> 
> Todd
> 
> --- Andrew Woods <andreww at anides.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Another idea is to use thousand-oaks.pm.org as a redirect page. It's 
>>easy enough using <Meta> tags, and a 1 second interval. We would still 
>>give out the name thousand-oaks.pm.org.  Then, We could set-up say 
>>http://www.to-pm.org in a location of our choosing. This way,  we don't 
>>need to use frames when developing (which can be a pain). This has the 
>>additional benefit of being able to track how people arrive on our 
>>homepage .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Todd Presta wrote:
>>
>>>I agree. A frameset would definitely allow the root website to stay at thousand-oaks.pm.org
>>
>>and
>>
>>>allow some flexibility when pointing to other content areas even on other servers if
>>
>>necessary. 
>>
>>>Using frames and would basically turn the TO homepage into a portal (of sorts). It would just
>>
>>suck
>>
>>>for text-based webbrowsers (yes I use them sometimes ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Paul Jacobs <pjacobs at valueclick.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The name doesn't matter. We don't even need a domain name - I think we should continue to use
>>>>thousand-oaks.pm.org as the primary name we give out. The forwarding burden is on pm.org,
>>>>whether your server is set up for it or not. You'd just forward to an IP. I've seen tricks
>>
>>with
>>
>>>>framesets that make it appear to be at the original address, and I have code avaialable to
>>
>>copy,
>>
>>>>but it doesn't change the url as you click through the site. That would take more programming.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, you can point such a frameset to a subdirectory of an existing web server
>>>>rather than it's root. That can be easier to deal with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure I understand kind of server setup would not allow something.otherthing.com to be
>>>>pointed to it but would allow otherthing.com to be pointed to it. It's not particularly
>>>>important, but I'm curious.
>>>>
>>>>- p
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From:	thousand-oaks-pm-bounces at pm.org on behalf of Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com
>>>>Sent:	Thu 6/30/2005 2:29 PM
>>>>To:	Andrew Woods
>>>>Cc:	Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
>>>>Subject:	Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting
>>>>Andrew,
>>>>
>>>>No, I don't really have a solution.  What I was hoping for was to be able
>>>>to point the domain over to some excess space on my server by having PM.ORG
>>>>change their DNS entry.  But my server won't allow pointing a third-level
>>>>domain in that manner.
>>>>
>>>>So, I could setup a second level domain, like SOMETHING.org and probably
>>>>get PM to point to that, but I wanted to kick that around a bit before
>>>>taking any action.
>>>>
>>>>It's not a money issue, the domains are dirt-cheap.  But what name should I
>>>>register?
>>>>
>>>>Or, should we find some other way to do it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Daniel Sherer
>>>>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
>>>>Health Net
>>>>(818) 676-7592
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                                                             
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                     Andrew Woods                                                            
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                     <andreww at anides.c        To:       Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com          
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                     om>                      cc:                                            
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                                              Subject:  Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks
>>
>>until
>>
>>>>the next Thousand Oaks PM      
>>>>                     06/30/2005 02:11          meeting                                       
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                     PM                                                                      
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                                                                                             
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>                                                                                             
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>                             
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Daniel,
>>>>
>>>>Is there a server available to develop the TO.pm website on.
>>>>I've done a little work in my extra time.
>>>>
>>>>http://home.earthlink.net/~atwoods1/topm/
>>>>
>>>>Click on the Camel to see a sample inner page.
>>>>I'll be working on the navigation this week.
>>>>I'd appreciate your thoughts.
>>>>My goal is to present it to the group at our next meeting.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>One of the action items from our last meeting was a request for more
>>>>>reminders of meetings and to get those reminders farther in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul has advised us that he won't be able to attend.  So, is there
>>>>
>>>>someone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>else from Valueclick who can let us in?  Or, should we plan to have this
>>>>>meeting elsewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Daniel Sherer
>>>>>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
>>>>>Health Net
>>>>>(818) 676-7592
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From jkeen at verizon.net  Tue Jul  5 18:50:50 2005
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James Keenan)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Potential address confusion
In-Reply-To: <mailman.709.1120610151.16830.thousand-oaks-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.709.1120610151.16830.thousand-oaks-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <1a4e1e74ac916d0e9334debb27e1b563@verizon.net>


On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:35 PM, thousand-oaks-pm-request at pm.org carried 
this message from Andrew Woods <andreww at anides.com>, Subject: Re: 
[Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting

> We would still
> give out the name thousand-oaks.pm.org.  Then, We could set-up say
> http://www.to-pm.org in a location of our choosing.

Beware the latter:  It can easily be confused with http://to.pm.org/, 
home to the Toronto Perlmongers, host of recently concluded 
YAPC::NA::2005.

Jim Keenan


From toddpresta at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  5 20:44:51 2005
From: toddpresta at sbcglobal.net (Todd Presta)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <42CB27C8.4030702@anides.com>
Message-ID: <20050706034451.2271.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com>

Most definitely. Adding Perl would be a good thing and it would make sense being Perl-based group.
:)



--- Andrew Woods <andreww at anides.com> wrote:

> 
> I just browsed thru http://groups.pm.org/faq.html .  I didn't see 
> anything disallowing it. There was a reference that they do DNS 
> forwarding. This is basically the same thing, but the power is in our 
> hands to change it to whereever.
> 
> I suspect they use the PM.org hosted space because it's free. Also, 
> those sites tend to be pretty small. I have a development plan for our 
> group that could be pretty cool, but I need the power of Perl to harvest 
> it. More on this later. To get us off the ground, I'm going to replace 
> the existing pages, which I'm trying to get some time to work on.
> 
> 
> Todd Presta wrote:
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > That would do the trick too. Do you know if Perlmongers has any policies regarding straight
> > redirects? I went through a random sampling of the PM sites and most of them tend to utilize
> the
> > hosting space exclusively on PM.org.
> > 
> > 
> > Todd
> > 
> > --- Andrew Woods <andreww at anides.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Another idea is to use thousand-oaks.pm.org as a redirect page. It's 
> >>easy enough using <Meta> tags, and a 1 second interval. We would still 
> >>give out the name thousand-oaks.pm.org.  Then, We could set-up say 
> >>http://www.to-pm.org in a location of our choosing. This way,  we don't 
> >>need to use frames when developing (which can be a pain). This has the 
> >>additional benefit of being able to track how people arrive on our 
> >>homepage .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Todd Presta wrote:
> >>
> >>>I agree. A frameset would definitely allow the root website to stay at thousand-oaks.pm.org
> >>
> >>and
> >>
> >>>allow some flexibility when pointing to other content areas even on other servers if
> >>
> >>necessary. 
> >>
> >>>Using frames and would basically turn the TO homepage into a portal (of sorts). It would just
> >>
> >>suck
> >>
> >>>for text-based webbrowsers (yes I use them sometimes ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- Paul Jacobs <pjacobs at valueclick.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The name doesn't matter. We don't even need a domain name - I think we should continue to
> use
> >>>>thousand-oaks.pm.org as the primary name we give out. The forwarding burden is on pm.org,
> >>>>whether your server is set up for it or not. You'd just forward to an IP. I've seen tricks
> >>
> >>with
> >>
> >>>>framesets that make it appear to be at the original address, and I have code avaialable to
> >>
> >>copy,
> >>
> >>>>but it doesn't change the url as you click through the site. That would take more
> programming.
> >>>>
> >>>>On the other hand, you can point such a frameset to a subdirectory of an existing web server
> >>>>rather than it's root. That can be easier to deal with.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm not sure I understand kind of server setup would not allow something.otherthing.com to
> be
> >>>>pointed to it but would allow otherthing.com to be pointed to it. It's not particularly
> >>>>important, but I'm curious.
> >>>>
> >>>>- p
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From:	thousand-oaks-pm-bounces at pm.org on behalf of Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com
> >>>>Sent:	Thu 6/30/2005 2:29 PM
> >>>>To:	Andrew Woods
> >>>>Cc:	Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> >>>>Subject:	Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting
> >>>>Andrew,
> >>>>
> >>>>No, I don't really have a solution.  What I was hoping for was to be able
> >>>>to point the domain over to some excess space on my server by having PM.ORG
> >>>>change their DNS entry.  But my server won't allow pointing a third-level
> >>>>domain in that manner.
> >>>>
> >>>>So, I could setup a second level domain, like SOMETHING.org and probably
> >>>>get PM to point to that, but I wanted to kick that around a bit before
> >>>>taking any action.
> >>>>
> >>>>It's not a money issue, the domains are dirt-cheap.  But what name should I
> >>>>register?
> >>>>
> >>>>Or, should we find some other way to do it?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Daniel Sherer
> >>>>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
> >>>>Health Net
> >>>>(818) 676-7592
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                                                                                            
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                     Andrew Woods                                                           
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                     <andreww at anides.c        To:       Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com         
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                     om>                      cc:                                           
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                                              Subject:  Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks
> >>
> >>until
> >>
> >>>>the next Thousand Oaks PM      
> >>>>                     06/30/2005 02:11          meeting                                      
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                     PM                                                                     
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                                                                                            
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>                                                                                            
> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>>                             
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Daniel,
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there a server available to develop the TO.pm website on.
> >>>>I've done a little work in my extra time.
> >>>>
> >>>>http://home.earthlink.net/~atwoods1/topm/
> >>>>
> >>>>Click on the Camel to see a sample inner page.
> >>>>I'll be working on the navigation this week.
> >>>>I'd appreciate your thoughts.
> >>>>My goal is to present it to the group at our next meeting.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Andrew
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>One of the action items from our last meeting was a request for more
> >>>>>reminders of meetings and to get those reminders farther in advance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Paul has advised us that he won't be able to attend.  So, is there
> >>>>
> >>>>someone
> >>>>
> >>>>
> 
=== message truncated ===


From toddpresta at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  5 20:51:20 2005
From: toddpresta at sbcglobal.net (Todd Presta)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Potential address confusion
In-Reply-To: <1a4e1e74ac916d0e9334debb27e1b563@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20050706035120.10822.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com>

That's a good point. If we're redirecting anyway, a variant domain name would be acceptable too.
Maybe something like 1000oaks-pm.org or even conejo-pm.org.


--- James Keenan <jkeen at verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:35 PM, thousand-oaks-pm-request at pm.org carried 
> this message from Andrew Woods <andreww at anides.com>, Subject: Re: 
> [Thousand-oaks-pm] Two weeks until the next Thousand Oaks PM meeting
> 
> > We would still
> > give out the name thousand-oaks.pm.org.  Then, We could set-up say
> > http://www.to-pm.org in a location of our choosing.
> 
> Beware the latter:  It can easily be confused with http://to.pm.org/, 
> home to the Toronto Perlmongers, host of recently concluded 
> YAPC::NA::2005.
> 
> Jim Keenan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
> 


From Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com  Wed Jul 13 08:29:42 2005
From: Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com (Daniel.Sherer@healthnet.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:29:42 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Perl Monger's meeting tonight. Who from
 Valueclick can open the doors?
Message-ID: <OFCD63EA21.B9735ACD-ON8825703D.0054AEF3-8825703D.00551E47@fhs.com>


Tonight's the night.  I've been looking forward to seeing you all again and
hopefully learning something new about Perl!

Since Paul is not going to be able to be there tonight, is there some other
Valueclick employee who is planning on attending and will have the doors
open?


If we don't have anyone else or if Valueclick's conference room isn't
available for tonight's meeting, we either need to select another location
(like Barnes & Nobles?) or cancel.



Daniel Sherer
Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
Health Net
(818) 676-7592



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From Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com  Wed Jul 13 15:49:27 2005
From: Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com (Daniel.Sherer@healthnet.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Tonight's PM meeting,
	looks like we're not going to have it :-(
Message-ID: <OF02337CFA.90896F3B-ON8825703D.007CFFBF-8825703D.007D60C2@fhs.com>

I haven't heard back that any other Valueclick employee can get us into the
conference room, and I don't think there's enough time to select an
alternate location and expect many people to show up.

I'm sorry that we won't be able to meet in person, but I'm following up on
some action items from last month (especially about upgrading the website)
and I'll work directly with those volunteers to get some progress before
next month.

I'm sorry we didn't nail down a stand-in for Paul sooner.  I guess I just
assumed that someone else would be there, my mistake.  Next month, I'll
establish either another person or an alternate location that we can
publicize on the website and through e-mail.



Daniel Sherer
Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
Health Net
(818) 676-7592


                                                                                                                                                   
                      Jim Walker                                                                                                                   
                      <jim at reclaw.com>         To:       Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com                                                               
                                               cc:                                                                                                 
                      07/13/2005 11:58         Subject:  Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Perl Monger's meeting tonight. Who from Valueclick can open the    
                      AM                        doors?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                   




Any location works for me.
--
Jim



Daniel.Sherer at healthnet.com wrote:

>Tonight's the night.  I've been looking forward to seeing you all again
and
>hopefully learning something new about Perl!
>
>Since Paul is not going to be able to be there tonight, is there some
other
>Valueclick employee who is planning on attending and will have the doors
>open?
>
>
>If we don't have anyone else or if Valueclick's conference room isn't
>available for tonight's meeting, we either need to select another location
>(like Barnes & Nobles?) or cancel.
>
>
>
>Daniel Sherer
>Manager, ITG Data Warehouse
>Health Net
>(818) 676-7592
>
>
>
>This  message,together  with  any  attachments, is
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From dsherer at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 24 10:50:29 2005
From: dsherer at yahoo.com (Daniel Sherer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Swag for our next meeting?
Message-ID: <20050724175029.7972.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey fellow Perl enthusiasts,

I just received a couple of books from O'Reilly yesterday.

One brand-new title, "Perl Best Practices" (cover: American
Staghound)
     http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlbp/index.html

And an update of an old favorite, "Advanced Perl Programming" (cover:
black leopard)
     http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/advperl2/index.html


Should make for nice door prizes on August 10, yes?


Daniel


		
____________________________________________________
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From toddpresta at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 26 19:04:35 2005
From: toddpresta at sbcglobal.net (Todd Presta)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Swag for our next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20050724175029.7972.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050727020435.89446.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com>

Most definitely!

There is always room on the ol' bookshelf for just another Perl book.
That would be a JAPB? :)


--- Daniel Sherer <dsherer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey fellow Perl enthusiasts,
> 
> I just received a couple of books from O'Reilly yesterday.
> 
> One brand-new title, "Perl Best Practices" (cover: American
> Staghound)
>      http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlbp/index.html
> 
> And an update of an old favorite, "Advanced Perl Programming" (cover:
> black leopard)
>      http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/advperl2/index.html
> 
> 
> Should make for nice door prizes on August 10, yes?
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 		
> ____________________________________________________
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
>  
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