From dave at dave.org.uk  Mon Jun  2 08:45:11 2008
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:45:11 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] The Perl Journal
Message-ID: <20080602164511.s8j43oaqsw8sc440@webmail.mag-sol.com>


[ cross-posted, so watch those follow-ups ]

Remember The Perl Journal? Or are you one of the many people who has  
got into Perl since it vanished? Have you never seen an issue of this  
fabled magazine?

A friend of mine has eighteen of the twenty issues which were  
published. He no longer has a use for them and would like to find a  
good home for.

He has the following issues:

   * 1996 - volume 1 - numbers 1, 2, 3 & 4
   * 1997 - volume 2 - numbers 1, 2, 3 & 4
   * 1998 - volume 3 - numbers 1, 2 & 3
   * 1999 - volume 4 - numbers 1, 2, 3 & 4
   * 2000 - volume 5 - numbers 2, 3 & 4

If you want them (and I mean all of them - splitting the set is not an  
option) then drop him an email (Frank Wales <frank at limov.com>) and  
make him an offer.

I've included ThamesValley.pm on this as Frank is in Sunningdale - so  
you might be able to pop round to pick them up and save on postage.

Cheers,

Dave...


From print.crimes at yatterings.com  Wed Jun  4 13:39:12 2008
From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:39:12 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Fuzzy Search on text
Message-ID: <4846FD70.8010206@yatterings.com>

Hi,

I've been playing around with an algorithm to work out a fuzzy search on 
a word (as edit distances aren't quite what I need at the moment) but 
I've not been able to get the print quite there.

Currently it prints out the sentence that the fuzzy search matches but I 
really just want the word matched. Does any one have any ideas on the 
best way of getting it?

MTIA,

Iain

use strict;
use warnings;

my $word = "marley";
my @find = map ([split //], $word);
my $find_len = length($word);
my $fuzzy    = 3;

while (my $search = <DATA>) {
  chomp $search;
  $search = [split //, $search];
    for my $i ( 0..@$search-$find_len ) {
        FIND:
        for my $find ( @find ) {
            my $misses = 0;
            for my $j ( 0..$find_len-1 ) {
                $misses++ if $search->[$i+$j] ne $find->[$j];
                next FIND if $misses > $fuzzy;
            }
           
            print "Line $. Match ($misses) at $i, @$search\n";
        }
    }
} 

__DATA__
STAVE I:  MARLEY'S GHOST

MARLEY was dead: to begin with. There is no doubt
whatever about that. The register of his burial was
signed by the clergyman, the clerk, the undertaker,
and the chief mourner. Scrouge signed it: and
Scrooge's name was good upon 'Change, for anything he
chose to put his hand to. Old Marley was as dead as a
door-nail.

Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my
own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about
a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to
regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery
in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors
is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands
shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You
will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that
Marley was as dead as a door-nail.

Scrooge knew he was dead? Of course he did.
How could it be otherwise? Scrooge and he were
partners for I don't know how many years. Scrooge
was his sole executor, his sole administrator, his sole
assign, his sole residuary legatee, his sole friend, and
sole mourner. And even Scrooge was not so dreadfully
cut up by the sad event, but that he was an excellent
man of business on the very day of the funeral,
and solemnised it with an undoubted bargain.

The mention of Marley's funeral brings me back to
the point I started from. There is no doubt that Marley
was dead. This must be distinctly understood, or
nothing wonderful can come of the story I am going
to relate. If we were not perfectly convinced that
Hamlet's Father died before the play began, there
would be nothing more remarkable in his taking a
stroll at night, in an easterly wind, upon his own ramparts,
than there would be in any other middle-aged
gentleman rashly turning out after dark in a breezy
spot--say Saint Paul's Churchyard for instance--
literally to astonish his son's weak mind.

Scrooge never painted out Old Marley's name.
There it stood, years afterwards, above the warehouse
door: Scrooge and Marlie. The firm was known as
Scrooge and Marley. Sometimes people new to the
business called Scrooge Scrooge, and sometimes Marlee,
but he answered to both names. It was all the
same to him.


From abw at wardley.org  Wed Jun  4 23:33:37 2008
From: abw at wardley.org (Andy Wardley)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:33:37 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Fuzzy Search on text
In-Reply-To: <4846FD70.8010206@yatterings.com>
References: <4846FD70.8010206@yatterings.com>
Message-ID: <484788C1.5060304@wardley.org>

Iain Emsley wrote:
> Does any one have any ideas on the best way of getting it?

Unless I'm missing something obvious, you just need to slice the next
$find_len characters from @$search, starting at $i.

> while (my $search = <DATA>) {
>   chomp $search;
>   $search = [split //, $search];
>     for my $i ( 0..@$search-$find_len ) {
>         FIND:
>         for my $find ( @find ) {
>             my $misses = 0;
>             for my $j ( 0..$find_len-1 ) {
>                 $misses++ if $search->[$i+$j] ne $find->[$j];
>                 next FIND if $misses > $fuzzy;
>             }

             print "Line $. Match ($misses) at $i, ",
                 join('', @$search[$i..$i+$find_len-1]), "\n";

>         }
>     }
> } 

output:
Line 8 Match (1) at 30, Marley
Line 12 Match (3) at 36, larly
Line 19 Match (1) at 0, Marley
Line 23 Match (3) at 30, many y
Line 31 Match (1) at 15, Marley
Line 32 Match (3) at 13, tarted
Line 32 Match (1) at 49, Marley
Line 36 Match (3) at 0, Hamlet
Line 37 Match (3) at 24, markab
Line 37 Match (3) at 27, kable
Line 44 Match (1) at 30, Marley
Line 46 Match (3) at 18, Marlie
Line 47 Match (1) at 12, Marley
Line 48 Match (3) at 9, called
Line 48 Match (2) at 47, Marlee


HTH
A

From henry.mcguinness at dphpc.ox.ac.uk  Thu Jun  5 01:24:33 2008
From: henry.mcguinness at dphpc.ox.ac.uk (Henry McGuinness)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:24:33 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Fuzzy Search on text
In-Reply-To: <4846FD70.8010206@yatterings.com>
Message-ID: <20080605082433.48EA7EB091@webmail221.herald.ox.ac.uk>

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From Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com  Thu Jun  5 02:21:02 2008
From: Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com (Gemmail, Rafiq (IT))
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:21:02 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] TVPM turns one year old! (was: Re: Social meetup)
In-Reply-To: <35AA7F4D68E917459C165ED9558B44454A15@uhclem.uhclemex.firesign.dev>
References: <35AA7F4D68E917459C165ED9558B44454A15@uhclem.uhclemex.firesign.dev>
Message-ID: <F7CD8EC4FF64F04A857A2E17A3D0C28C016ACD7CED@LNWEXMBX0105.msad.ms.com>

In attending to moderator requests, I just noticed that TVPM will be turning 1 year old on 14th June.
Although, my baby is likely to show up at any time now, I figure that it would still be good to get the rest of the group together for a social.

Would anyone like to wear the mantel of our "PM Responsible for Socials?"  Lance, perhaps you'd be up for this?  Given our frequency of meetings, it shouldn't be too big a responsibility, if you have the time?

I can't guarantee my own attendance, but will try my best to make it.  Our Frapper map ( http://s5h.net/u?ba4 ) seems to show TVPM's most northerly member as being in Belfast and most southerly in Rio De Janerio; so I propose that we meet somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic?  Or somewhere along the railway line going from Maidenhead to Oxford?  Preferred dates?

Cheers,

Raf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thamesvalley-pm-bounces+rafiq.ismail=ms.com at pm.org
> [mailto:thamesvalley-pm-bounces+rafiq.ismail=ms.com at pm.org]
> On Behalf Of Lance Wicks
> Sent: 23 May 2008 07:52
> To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers
> Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Social meetup
>
> Okay so, this week seems like it's not going to happen for a
> social meetup, lets try for next Friday.
> Of course there is a London.pm event on Thursday I think and
> Mobile Minibar on Friday if people want to go to London.
>
> Personally a couple of drinks in Reading appeals to me, so
> who else wants to have a quick meetup on Friday 30th?
>
> Lance
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From lw at judocoach.com  Thu Jun  5 05:15:24 2008
From: lw at judocoach.com (Lance Wicks)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:15:24 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] TVPM turns one year old! (was: Re: Social
	meetup)
In-Reply-To: <F7CD8EC4FF64F04A857A2E17A3D0C28C016ACD7CED@LNWEXMBX0105.msad.ms.com>
References: <35AA7F4D68E917459C165ED9558B44454A15@uhclem.uhclemex.firesign.dev>
	<F7CD8EC4FF64F04A857A2E17A3D0C28C016ACD7CED@LNWEXMBX0105.msad.ms.com>
Message-ID: <7494E725-BC7A-49D3-ADBF-3115FFAE6CA6@judocoach.com>

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Hi Raf,

I'll take on the PM responsible for socials mantle, no problem.
Mid atlantic sounds good! ;-)

As for dates and locations... I am flexible, I am pretty far south, so  
somewhere easy to find suits me.

Quick question for everyone, what event management systems do people  
use, or would prefer to us, if any?
Do you use upcoming? Eventful? FaceBook? Maybe simpler just to do it  
on the wiki? Or just emails?
Thoughts?

Lance


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From tvpm at dreamthought.com  Thu Jun  5 15:41:36 2008
From: tvpm at dreamthought.com (Raf)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:41:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] O'Reilly invites you to Mashed 2008 (fwd)
Message-ID: <20080605224032.K96844@joshua.dreamthought.com>


---------- Forwarded message ----------


Please send to your members

O'Reilly invites you to Mashed 2008
tickets now available and they are free!

Mashed - it's Hack Day time again and this year the BBC have got a corker of a weekend planned.

Arrive on the Saturday morning and listen to real people from the development world showing you how to build things and how to use the systems that will be available to you through-out the weekend - including a full broadcast TV station with the ability to build and hack your own interactive applications. - see http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2008/05/mashed_2008_tic.html

The BBC kindly gave O'Reilly 100 tickets. So please book now on http://mashed08.eventbrite.com/ and make sure that you have a place at the weekend of the year.

Date:
Saturday, June 21, 2008 at 9:00 am
To:
Sunday, June 22, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Venue:
Alexandra Palace
Alexandra Palace Way
Wood Green
London, London N22 7AY
United Kingdom

My colleague Craig Smith and myself will be there all weekend so please come and talk to us.
See you there! If you can't make it send this invitation to a friend.
Kindest regards
Josette
###
Josette Garcia
PR/Marketing Manager
O'Reilly UK Limited

From lw at judocoach.com  Fri Jun  6 00:25:21 2008
From: lw at judocoach.com (Lance Wicks)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:25:21 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] O'Reilly invites you to Mashed 2008 (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20080605224032.K96844@joshua.dreamthought.com>
References: <20080605224032.K96844@joshua.dreamthought.com>
Message-ID: <57816445-EB65-44AB-A124-BB842D8F9FC9@judocoach.com>

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WHo thinks they will be attending Mashed?

I have tickets and attended last years Hackday. Hackday was awesome  
last year so I can really endorse trying to get along to Mashed.
Perlhaps we can come up with a TVPM project to work on together?

Lance

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From print.crimes at yatterings.com  Sat Jun  7 05:34:35 2008
From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Fuzzy Searching
Message-ID: <484A805B.308@yatterings.com>

Hi Andy,

Thanks. Got it working whilst offline, as you suggested, using a slice.

Iain

From print.crimes at yatterings.com  Sat Jun  7 05:31:50 2008
From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:31:50 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Fuzzy Searching
Message-ID: <484A7FB6.1020204@yatterings.com>

Hi Henry,

Apologies for slight delay in replying, just been away on a team away 
day. Oh joy...

I've been playing around with it and I quite like it as it makes 
searching a little easier but I wanted to try something which would just 
do a brute force search on the text and display all results for a 
particular word, rather than the entire string so that any differences 
in a certain range could be exported (once its  been cleaned up). Its 
also the reason why I wasn't using edit distances (Levenshtein, 
Wagner-Fischer or Blew) since if I have a new set of texts then it is 
highly possible that I'm not going to know what the final word may be in 
the search or any variations thereon. Some of this is just experimenting 
with some ideas from a conversation with a scientist a while back and 
seeing what is possible.

ATB,
Iain

Iain Emsley

From adam.trickett at iredale.net  Mon Jun  9 03:33:57 2008
From: adam.trickett at iredale.net (Dr Adam J Trickett)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:33:57 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] TVPM turns one year old! (was: Re: Social
	meetup)
In-Reply-To: <F7CD8EC4FF64F04A857A2E17A3D0C28C016ACD7CED@LNWEXMBX0105.msad.ms.com>
References: <35AA7F4D68E917459C165ED9558B44454A15@uhclem.uhclemex.firesign.dev>
	<F7CD8EC4FF64F04A857A2E17A3D0C28C016ACD7CED@LNWEXMBX0105.msad.ms.com>
Message-ID: <20080609103357.GF18877@iredale.net>

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 at 10:21:02AM +0100, Gemmail, Rafiq (IT) wrote:
> In attending to moderator requests, I just noticed that TVPM will be turning 1 year 
> old on 14th June. Although, my baby is likely to show up at any time now, I figure 
> that it would still be good to get the rest of the group together for a social.

It would be good. Having just moved house I'm still a little "disorganised" but would 
like to see people or at least someone again!

The Silicon Corridor LUG meet monthy in Reading, perhaps we could gate crash them?

-- 
A
 

From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Fri Jun 13 04:19:28 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:19:28 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] checking for perl modules
Message-ID: <485257C0.1010206@nerc.ac.uk>

Is there an easy way to run a check for perl modules at the start of a 
script so that it can present a friendly/useful message to the user 
along the lines of:

"This script requires the following modules which don't appear to be 
installed on your system:"

rather than crashing out with something like:

Can't locate IO/Socket/SSL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl 
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 
/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 
/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Net/LDAP.pm line 970, 
<STDIN> line 1.

which is pretty horrendous to the casual user.

GREG
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From wdhawes at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 04:57:15 2008
From: wdhawes at gmail.com (Will Hawes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:57:15 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] checking for perl modules
In-Reply-To: <485257C0.1010206@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <485257C0.1010206@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <360eac500806130457y9191b38m7027a4b567339a81@mail.gmail.com>

2008/6/13 Greg Matthews <gmatt at nerc.ac.uk>:
> Is there an easy way to run a check for perl modules at the start of a
> script so that it can present a friendly/useful message to the user
> along the lines of:
>
> "This script requires the following modules which don't appear to be
> installed on your system:"
>
> rather than crashing out with something like:
>
> Can't locate IO/Socket/SSL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5
> /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8
> /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Net/LDAP.pm line 970,
> <STDIN> line 1.
>
> which is pretty horrendous to the casual user.

Not something I've ever done, but you could probably do something like
(untested, btw):

#!/usr/bin/perl

BEGIN {
  my @required_modules = ( qw/ Module1 Module2 / );
  foreach( @required_modules ) {
    eval { require "$_"; };
    if( $@ ) {
      die "You don't appear to have module '$_' installed on your system.";
    }
  }
}

... rest of script here ...

HTH, Will

From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Fri Jun 13 05:20:12 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:20:12 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] checking for perl modules
In-Reply-To: <360eac500806130457y9191b38m7027a4b567339a81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <485257C0.1010206@nerc.ac.uk>
	<360eac500806130457y9191b38m7027a4b567339a81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <485265FC.7010702@nerc.ac.uk>

Will Hawes wrote:
> Not something I've ever done, but you could probably do something like
> (untested, btw):

thanks Will, I'll give it a crack.

G

> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> BEGIN {
>   my @required_modules = ( qw/ Module1 Module2 / );
>   foreach( @required_modules ) {
>     eval { require "$_"; };
>     if( $@ ) {
>       die "You don't appear to have module '$_' installed on your system.";
>     }
>   }
> }
> 
> ... rest of script here ...
> 
> HTH, Will
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> 


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From Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com  Mon Jun 16 08:00:39 2008
From: Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com (Gemmail, Rafiq (IT))
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:00:39 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Happy Birthday TVPM
Message-ID: <F7CD8EC4FF64F04A857A2E17A3D0C28C016ACD8604@LNWEXMBX0105.msad.ms.com>

I won't sing - but congratulations to us all.

Following an amazing meet at our outset and very little thereafter on losing our venu, I think that we all deserve a pat on the back for keeping this group alive.

Let's hope maturity brings about a revival!

Best wishes to all.

Rafiq Gemmail
Morgan Stanley | Technology
25 Cabot Square | Canary Wharf | Floor 05
London, E14 4QA
Phone: +44 20 7677-2923
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From lw at judocoach.com  Mon Jun 16 08:21:36 2008
From: lw at judocoach.com (Lance Wicks)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:21:36 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Happy Birthday TVPM
Message-ID: <F5xyzBdgNjNd.6MrqgT5g@send.vodafone.net>

:)
Lets try another time for a social meetup.
what days/dates suit people next month?
lance

- original message -
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Happy Birthday TVPM
From: "Gemmail, Rafiq \(IT\)" <Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com>
Date: 16/06/2008 4:01 PM

I won't sing - but congratulations to us all.

Following an amazing meet at our outset and very little thereafter on losing our venu, I think that we all deserve a pat on the back for keeping this group alive.

Let's hope maturity brings about a revival!

Best wishes to all.

Rafiq Gemmail
Morgan Stanley | Technology
25 Cabot Square | Canary Wharf | Floor 05
London, E14 4QA
Phone: +44 20 7677-2923
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From print.crimes at yatterings.com  Mon Jun 16 13:07:54 2008
From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:07:54 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Meet up
Message-ID: <4856C81A.3050705@yatterings.com>

Evening,
Meeting up would be great. Lance, have you thought about using Doodle to 
arrange times:
http://www.doodle.ch/main.html
Its easy to set up.

Iain

From fly at anydata.co.uk  Mon Jun 16 14:56:40 2008
From: fly at anydata.co.uk (Fred Youhanaie)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:56:40 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] [Fwd: Re: OpenGuides 5th anniversary meet,
	Sat 21 June, Oxford]
Message-ID: <4856E198.9000001@anydata.co.uk>

In case anyone is interested in celebrating TVPM's birthday with 
OpenGuides' anniversary.

Sadly, I can't make it myself :(

cheers
f.

P.S. For anyone new to OpenGuides, it's a Perl based project - 
http://openguides.org/page/software

Kake L Pugh wrote:
> On Sun 18 May 2008, Kake L Pugh <kake at earth.li> wrote:
>> On Sun 18 May 2008, Kake L Pugh <kake at earth.li> wrote:
>>> Hello.  The OpenGuides project was five years old this year, and we're
>>> going to celebrate by going to the pub.
>>>
>>> This will happen on Saturday 21 June, at the Turf Tavern in Oxford,
>>> from noon until people need to head home.  If you're interested in
>>> OpenGuides and/or RGL, please come!  It will be fun!
>> There's also an Upcoming page for it now:
>>   http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/696525/
> 
> This is this Saturday!  See you there?
> 
> Kake
> 


From kake at earth.li  Mon Jun 16 15:47:13 2008
From: kake at earth.li (Kake L Pugh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:47:13 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] [Fwd: Re: OpenGuides 5th anniversary meet,
	Sat 21 June, Oxford]
In-Reply-To: <4856E198.9000001@anydata.co.uk>
References: <4856E198.9000001@anydata.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20080616224713.GA31229@the.earth.li>

On Mon 16 Jun 2008, Fred Youhanaie <fly at anydata.co.uk> wrote:
> In case anyone is interested in celebrating TVPM's birthday with 
> OpenGuides' anniversary.

Yes, do come along!  I will personally buy a pint for any TVPM member
who turns up.

The meet's in the Turf Tavern:
  http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Turf

We'll be there from noon onwards.  I'll probably be heading back to London
around 10pm-ish.

Kake

From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Wed Jun 18 04:24:40 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:24:40 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] [Fwd: Re: OpenGuides 5th anniversary meet,
 Sat 21 June, Oxford]
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Message-ID: <4858F078.4010702@nerc.ac.uk>

Kake L Pugh wrote:
> The meet's in the Turf Tavern:
>   http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Turf

strange - seems to be edited entirely by cider drinkers...



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From dom at earth.li  Wed Jun 18 04:30:10 2008
From: dom at earth.li (Dominic Hargreaves)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:30:10 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] [Fwd: Re: OpenGuides 5th anniversary meet,
	Sat 21 June, Oxford]
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:24:40PM +0100, Greg Matthews wrote:
> Kake L Pugh wrote:
> > The meet's in the Turf Tavern:
> >   http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Turf
> 
> strange - seems to be edited entirely by cider drinkers...

They have around 8 hand pumps mostly populated with guest ales so no
concerns over that.

Maybe we should make the afternoon's goal to provide a top notch Open
Guide entry to the place :)

Dominic.

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From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Fri Jun 20 06:31:38 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:31:38 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] password strength check
Message-ID: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk>

I need to do a password strength check. Is there a perl shortcut 
(interface to cracklib maybe?) that I can use?

I have an old script here that does password strength checking and I'm 
pretty sure it comes from a perl book but I cant find which one. The 
main meat of the script is a subroutine called goodenough(). The reason 
I think its lifted from a book is this comment part way thru the subroutine:

     # Check for naughty words.   :-)

     # (Add the traditional naughty words to the list sometime
     # when your mother isn't watching.  We didn't want to
     # print them in a family-oriented book like this one...)

If I end up recycling this code, I'd like to check for errata/discussion 
that may have been published. Does anyone recognise it from this short 
description? A full grep list of the comments is given below

GREG

###############################################################
#                                                             #
# This subroutine is the whole reason for this program.  It   #
# checks for many different kinds of bad password.  We don't  #
# tell people what kind of pattern they MUST have, because    #
# that would reduce the search space unnecessarily.           #
#                                                             #
# goodenough() returns 1 if password passes muster, else 0.   #
#                                                             #
###############################################################
     # Embedded null can spoof crypt routine.
     # Same password they just had?
     # Too much like the old password?
     # Too short?  Get progressively nastier.
     # Is it in one of the dictionaries?
	# First check the BADPATS file.
	# Truncate common suffixes before searching dict.
	# We'll iterate over several dictionaries.
	    # Do the lookup (dictionary order, case folded)
     # Now check for two word-combinations.  This gets hairy.
     # We look up everything that starts with the same first
     # two letters as the password, and if the word matches the
     # head of the password, we save the rest of the password
     # in %others to be looked up later.  Passwords which have
     # a single char before or after a word are special-cased.
     # We take pains to disallow things like "CamelAte",
     # "CameLate" and "CamElate" but allow things like
     # "CamelatE" or "CameLAte".
     # If the password is exactly 8 characters, we also have
     # to disallow passwords that consist of a word plus the
     # BEGINNING of another word, such as "CamelFle", which
     # will warn you about "camel" and "flea".
     # Check for naughty words.   :-)
     # (Add the traditional naughty words to the list sometime
     # when your mother isn't watching.  We didn't want to
     # print them in a family-oriented book like this one...)
     # Does it look like a date?
     # Login id?
     # My own name?
     # My host name?
     # License plate number?
     # A function key?  (This pattern checks Sun-style fn keys.)
     # A sequence of closely related ASCII characters?
     # A sequence of keyboard keys?
     # Repeated patterns: ababab, abcabc, abcdabcd
     # Reversed patterns: abccba abcddcba
     # Some other login name?
     # A local host name?
     # Reversed login id?
     # Previously used?

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From mark.robson at surfcontrol.com  Fri Jun 20 07:33:39 2008
From: mark.robson at surfcontrol.com (Mark Robson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:33:39 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] password strength check
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References: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 14:31 +0100, Greg Matthews wrote:
> I need to do a password strength check. Is there a perl shortcut 
> (interface to cracklib maybe?) that I can use?

There is a module which interfaces to Cracklib, available from CPAN, we
are using that. I don't know if Cracklib does everything that you want,
but it's certainly a start.

Mark


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From tvpm at yaph.org.uk  Fri Jun 20 09:13:20 2008
From: tvpm at yaph.org.uk (John TV.pm)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:13:20 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] password strength check
In-Reply-To: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <485BD720.7000300@yaph.org.uk>

Greg Matthews wrote:

> ...  Does anyone recognise it from this short
> description? 

Pretty sure that's from the original (Perl 4!) Camel book. Dunno about 
later editions.

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From lw at judocoach.com  Fri Jun 20 10:53:36 2008
From: lw at judocoach.com (Lance Wicks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:53:36 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Raf is a Dad!!!
Message-ID: <D123A054-0471-4944-8E23-50B639B12BE6@judocoach.com>

Hi all,

if Facebook is to believed, our PM leader Rafiq has become a dad!

Congrats Raf!!!!

lance

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From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Mon Jun 23 01:57:47 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:57:47 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] password strength check
In-Reply-To: <485BD720.7000300@yaph.org.uk>
References: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk> <485BD720.7000300@yaph.org.uk>
Message-ID: <485F658B.5020604@nerc.ac.uk>

John TV.pm wrote:
> Greg Matthews wrote:
> 
>> ...  Does anyone recognise it from this short
>> description? 
> 
> Pretty sure that's from the original (Perl 4!) Camel book. Dunno about 
> later editions.

thats what i was worried about (just realised I hadnt checked the first 
edition, just 2nd and 3rd!). the fact that its not in either the 2nd or 
3rd might suggest:

a) theres something wrong with the script
b) theres a better way of doing it
c) longer scripts were taken out of future editions.
d) something else.

as long as its not a or b I'll just rework it to fit my new requirements.

GREG

ps yes a quick check in old pink camel book turned up this script pages 
286-302(!)

> 


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From dave at dave.org.uk  Mon Jun 23 02:19:01 2008
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:19:01 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] password strength check
In-Reply-To: <485F658B.5020604@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk> <485BD720.7000300@yaph.org.uk>
	<485F658B.5020604@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20080623101901.4bg3c3qhccwkco8k@webmail.mag-sol.com>

Quoting Greg Matthews <gmatt at nerc.ac.uk>:

> John TV.pm wrote:
>> Greg Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> ...  Does anyone recognise it from this short
>>> description?
>>
>> Pretty sure that's from the original (Perl 4!) Camel book. Dunno about
>> later editions.
>
> thats what i was worried about (just realised I hadnt checked the first
> edition, just 2nd and 3rd!). the fact that its not in either the 2nd or
> 3rd might suggest:
>
> a) theres something wrong with the script
> b) theres a better way of doing it
> c) longer scripts were taken out of future editions.
> d) something else.
>
> as long as its not a or b I'll just rework it to fit my new requirements.
>
> GREG
>
> ps yes a quick check in old pink camel book turned up this script pages
> 286-302(!)

The structure of the Camel book changed radically between the first  
and second editions. The first (pink) edition had a couple of chapters  
that were basically just listings of useful Perl programs.

By the time the second (blue) edition was being prepared, Perl had  
grown so much that there wasn't room for these chapters any more. They  
were therefore spun off into a separate book (The Perl Cookbook). I'm  
not sure if this particular program made it into the Cookbook, but  
that would be where I would start looking :)

Cheers,

Dave...

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From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Mon Jun 23 03:22:54 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:22:54 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] password strength check
In-Reply-To: <20080623101901.4bg3c3qhccwkco8k@webmail.mag-sol.com>
References: <485BB13A.9040809@nerc.ac.uk>
	<485BD720.7000300@yaph.org.uk>	<485F658B.5020604@nerc.ac.uk>
	<20080623101901.4bg3c3qhccwkco8k@webmail.mag-sol.com>
Message-ID: <485F797E.3010306@nerc.ac.uk>

Dave Cross wrote:
> The structure of the Camel book changed radically between the first  
> and second editions. The first (pink) edition had a couple of chapters  
> that were basically just listings of useful Perl programs.
> 
> By the time the second (blue) edition was being prepared, Perl had  
> grown so much that there wasn't room for these chapters any more. They  
> were therefore spun off into a separate book (The Perl Cookbook). I'm  
> not sure if this particular program made it into the Cookbook, but  
> that would be where I would start looking :)

not that I can see (1st and 2nd Eds). The cookbook only contains zero, 
one or two longer programs per chapter.

Interestingly, I've been pretty unsuccessful googling for password 
strength checkers that I could adapt for this usage. I would have 
thought that there were lots of implementations in all sorts of 
languages. Perhaps its not an "interesting" enough problem.

G

ps would anyone be interesting in "auditing" my script? I have the bulk 
of it done minus the strength checking.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave...
> 


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From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Fri Jun 27 06:13:28 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:13:28 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
Message-ID: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>

Red Hat Enterprise (in its infinite wisdom) chooses not to ship 
Term::ReadKey with their perl. Is there an equivalent to the following 
that will be portable to an unmodified RHEL host:

ReadMode 'noecho';
$pass0 = ReadLine(0);
ReadMode 'normal';
chomp $pass0;
print "\n";
exit unless $pass0;

many thanks

GREG

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From dave at dave.org.uk  Fri Jun 27 06:27:42 2008
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
In-Reply-To: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20080627092742.nzm6rf5ndwsw4s4k@webmail.mag-sol.com>

Quoting Greg Matthews <gmatt at nerc.ac.uk>:

> Red Hat Enterprise (in its infinite wisdom) chooses not to ship
> Term::ReadKey with their perl.

Well, given that Term::ReadKey isn't part of the standard Perl  
distribution, that's not entirely surprising :)

>                               Is there an equivalent to the following
> that will be portable to an unmodified RHEL host:
>
> ReadMode 'noecho';
> $pass0 = ReadLine(0);
> ReadMode 'normal';
> chomp $pass0;
> print "\n";
> exit unless $pass0;

Perhaps you could just grab the code from the Term::ReadKey module and  
use that? Although that might be harder than it looks as Term::ReadKey  
has an an XS portion.

Looks like RPMForge have a perl-Term-ReadKey rpm available. The path  
of least resistance might be to install that.

   http://packages.sw.be/perl-TermReadKey/

Dave...


From mark.robson at surfcontrol.com  Fri Jun 27 06:28:48 2008
From: mark.robson at surfcontrol.com (Mark Robson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:28:48 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
In-Reply-To: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1214573328.3400.4.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:13 +0100, Greg Matthews wrote:
> Red Hat Enterprise (in its infinite wisdom) chooses not to ship 
> Term::ReadKey with their perl. Is there an equivalent to the following 
> that will be portable to an unmodified RHEL host:
> 
> ReadMode 'noecho';
> $pass0 = ReadLine(0);
> ReadMode 'normal';
> chomp $pass0;
> print "\n";
> exit unless $pass0;

You could shell out to "stty -echo"  and "stty echo" to disable and
enable echo.

Or you could install Term::ReadKey from an RPM that you build yourself
(building RPMs of perl modules isn't that difficult, rpmforge has
many .spec files pre-build)

Depends how your deployment process works and how many different distros
you need to support.

Mark


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From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Fri Jun 27 07:15:02 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:15:02 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
In-Reply-To: <1214573328.3400.4.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>
References: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
	<1214573328.3400.4.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>
Message-ID: <4864F5E6.8050905@nerc.ac.uk>

Mark Robson wrote:
> You could shell out to "stty -echo"  and "stty echo" to disable and
> enable echo.

the original version of this script used that technique (designed to 
work with 5.005)

> Or you could install Term::ReadKey from an RPM that you build yourself
> (building RPMs of perl modules isn't that difficult, rpmforge has
> many .spec files pre-build)

yup... been thinking for a while that we ought to have a corporate rpm 
repo. Think I'll try this route.

thanks

GREG

> 
> Depends how your deployment process works and how many different distros
> you need to support.
> 
> Mark
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From mark.robson at surfcontrol.com  Fri Jun 27 07:30:16 2008
From: mark.robson at surfcontrol.com (Mark Robson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:30:16 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
In-Reply-To: <4864F5E6.8050905@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
	<1214573328.3400.4.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>
	<4864F5E6.8050905@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1214577016.3400.7.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 15:15 +0100, Greg Matthews wrote:
> yup... been thinking for a while that we ought to have a corporate rpm 
> repo. Think I'll try this route.

We've been evaluating how to get RPMs deployed to our servers, and
existing system (e.g. yum) seem to be mostly geared towards updating
everything to the latest version, whereas in production we would also
need a "roll back" capability to restore earlier versions in case a
deployment needed to be reverted. 

Consider this when proposing adding new software to your build :)

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From dave at dave.org.uk  Fri Jun 27 08:30:00 2008
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:30:00 -0400
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
In-Reply-To: <4864F5E6.8050905@nerc.ac.uk>
References: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>
	<1214573328.3400.4.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>
	<4864F5E6.8050905@nerc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20080627113000.9xzezsu6so04sg00@webmail.mag-sol.com>

Quoting Greg Matthews <gmatt at nerc.ac.uk>:

> yup... been thinking for a while that we ought to have a corporate rpm
> repo. Think I'll try this route.

Come to YAPC::Europe in Copenhagen. See my talk "Perl in RPM-Land"

   http://www.yapceurope2008.org/ye2008/talk/1314

Dave...


From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Mon Jun 30 01:21:36 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:21:36 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
In-Reply-To: <1214577016.3400.7.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>
References: <4864E778.4090001@nerc.ac.uk>	<1214573328.3400.4.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>	<4864F5E6.8050905@nerc.ac.uk>
	<1214577016.3400.7.camel@mrobson-dt.mr.mailcontrol.com>
Message-ID: <48689790.5040004@nerc.ac.uk>

Mark Robson wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 15:15 +0100, Greg Matthews wrote:
>> yup... been thinking for a while that we ought to have a corporate rpm 
>> repo. Think I'll try this route.
> 
> We've been evaluating how to get RPMs deployed to our servers, and
> existing system (e.g. yum) seem to be mostly geared towards updating
> everything to the latest version, whereas in production we would also
> need a "roll back" capability to restore earlier versions in case a
> deployment needed to be reverted. 

agreed to a point. I still use rpm-rollback capability on up2date and 
yum based systems. However, Redhat have dropped rollback capability, 
presumably so that they can sell their own system (satellite?).

I looked into the possibility of using LVM as a way of rolling back to a 
snapshot but LVM does not have this functionality inherently. I /think/ 
EVMS is able to rollback volumes but dont quote me.

We only need to provide a tiny number of rpms and version control will 
initially be manual as we upload new versions of the rpms. There are 
third party patch management solutions that provide the functionality 
you require. I really like the look of the most recent Sun solution (how 
many have they got?!) which they bought up 2 or 3 years ago but it gets 
very bad press on c.u.solaris.

Dave - your talk looks very useful - unfortunately I wont make it to 
Copenhagen! This topic of rpm/CPAN comes up all the time on the 
MailScanner mailing list. MailScanner is a large perl-based tool that 
has wide module requirements. The current method of forcing installation 
of modules over managed versions is starting to cause problems, 
particularly for RHEL5 users.

GREG

> 
> Consider this when proposing adding new software to your build :)
> 
> Mark
> 
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From dave at dave.org.uk  Mon Jun 30 02:14:12 2008
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:14:12 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
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Greg Matthews wrote:

> Dave - your talk looks very useful - unfortunately I wont make it to 
> Copenhagen! 

Ah well. My slides will be online eventually. I'll probably give it to
London.pm at some point if you fancy an evening in London.
Alternatively, I can probably be persuaded to come out to one of your
meetings if there is enough interest.

Dave...


From gmatt at nerc.ac.uk  Mon Jun 30 02:31:04 2008
From: gmatt at nerc.ac.uk (Greg Matthews)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:31:04 +0100
Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Equivalent to Term::ReadKey
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Dave Cross wrote:
> Greg Matthews wrote:
> 
>> Dave - your talk looks very useful - unfortunately I wont make it to 
>> Copenhagen! 
> 
> Ah well. My slides will be online eventually. I'll probably give it to
> London.pm at some point if you fancy an evening in London.
> Alternatively, I can probably be persuaded to come out to one of your
> meetings if there is enough interest.

any/all of those alternatives sound good! let us know here when your 
slides are online.

thanks

GREG

> 
> Dave...
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