From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jan 23 10:16:04 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:16:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] testing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231015520.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

1, 2, 3...

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jan 23 11:01:59 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:01:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Test & Welcome
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231101370.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Howdy, y'all.

There's only five of us on the list so far. So let's get started. The late
comers can always dig into the archives.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.





From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jan 23 11:03:02 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:03:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] 21 Feb 2006
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231102090.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

The next meeting is February 21 and we have a location and approximate
time settled. Jerry Gay offered to show us around the test framework of
Parrot (sorry if I mischaracterised that).

Jerry, are you willing to commit to that yet? If so, got a blurb and bio
we can publish? How long (half or whole meeting or other)?

And, this is the email I got from Geoffrey Grosenbach regarding Ruby on
Rails:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Geoffrey Grosenbach wrote, in part:
> 
> I don't want to start a language war, but I'd like to offer to give a  
> presentation at SPUG about the popular Ruby on Rails web framework.  
> There was a little bit of interest a few weeks ago when I posted to  
> the list.
> 
> I attended SPUG a few years ago before I moved to Asia. I'm now back  
> in Seattle and am doing Ruby freelancing fulltime. Perl is a great  
> language, but Rails has some nice features that Perl web frameworks  
> could benefit from (and already have, with Perl Catalyst and others).
> 
> If you're interested, call or write. I can't be there tonight, but  
> maybe in Feb or March.

So, that's an option too, possibly. Your thoughts?

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.





From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 11:27:44 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:27:44 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] 21 Feb 2006
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231102090.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231102090.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400601231127k1353d44bx83e4531b64429b10@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/06, Andrew Sweger <andrew at sweger.net> wrote:
> The next meeting is February 21 and we have a location and approximate
> time settled. Jerry Gay offered to show us around the test framework of
> Parrot (sorry if I mischaracterised that).
>
i think it's more along the lines of "test, ok?" :-)
i'll be an intro to various testing modules and their functionality,
using examples from the parrot test framework.

> Jerry, are you willing to commit to that yet? If so, got a blurb and bio
> we can publish? How long (half or whole meeting or other)?
>
i'll commit to it, sure. i've been meaning to get my outline ready,
i'll do that today.
as for the rest, i'll write up something this week and mail it to this
list. i figure a half-meeting for this intro topic, and i can easily
expand on any of the points related to this topic in meetings over the
coming months.

> And, this is the email I got from Geoffrey Grosenbach regarding Ruby on
> Rails:
>
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Geoffrey Grosenbach wrote, in part:
> >
> > I don't want to start a language war, but I'd like to offer to give a
> > presentation at SPUG about the popular Ruby on Rails web framework.
> > There was a little bit of interest a few weeks ago when I posted to
> > the list.
> >
> > I attended SPUG a few years ago before I moved to Asia. I'm now back
> > in Seattle and am doing Ruby freelancing fulltime. Perl is a great
> > language, but Rails has some nice features that Perl web frameworks
> > could benefit from (and already have, with Perl Catalyst and others).
> >
> > If you're interested, call or write. I can't be there tonight, but
> > maybe in Feb or March.
>
> So, that's an option too, possibly. Your thoughts?
>
that'd be great. i've been doing some ajax in my spare time, and
having too much fun with it. it'd be nice to see how ruby makes web
programming fun.

~jerry

From csimmons at whitepages.com  Mon Jan 23 11:45:15 2006
From: csimmons at whitepages.com (Craig Simmons)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:45:15 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] 21 Feb 2006
Message-ID: <A509452E69C29B468C496FFA9E36AAD752DAA2@post.corp.w3data.com>


On 1/23/06, Andrew Sweger <andrew at sweger.net> wrote:
> The next meeting is February 21 and we have a location and approximate
> time settled. Jerry Gay offered to show us around the test framework
of
> Parrot (sorry if I mischaracterised that).

Did we want to have it at Whitepages.com again? 

Some people suggested we hold it a little later than 6:30PM as well -
That's fine too, just let me know what time. 

Craig

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From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jan 23 12:20:58 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:20:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] 21 Feb 2006
In-Reply-To: <A509452E69C29B468C496FFA9E36AAD752DAA2@post.corp.w3data.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231217460.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Craig Simmons wrote:

> Did we want to have it at Whitepages.com again? 

Yes, please. I've been hearing positive feedback about the location and
turnout is great. We really appreciate the support you have provided.

> Some people suggested we hold it a little later than 6:30PM as well -
> That's fine too, just let me know what time. 

I'm partial to the 7-9 time. But I want to hear what other folks think
(speak up, y'all).

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jan 23 12:26:02 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:26:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] 21 Feb 2006
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400601231127k1353d44bx83e4531b64429b10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601231221100.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, jerry gay wrote:

> i'll commit to it, sure. i've been meaning to get my outline ready,
> i'll do that today.

Great. You're on for 21 Feb.

> that'd be great. i've been doing some ajax in my spare time, and
> having too much fun with it. it'd be nice to see how ruby makes web
> programming fun.

I have offered Geoffrey a 50 minute slot on 21 Feb or the whole meeting on
21 March.

(This is one of the reasons I was thinking to permit non-subscribers to
post to this list. Whoever is corresponding with a potential speaker could
Cc: the worker list to keep everyone in the loop. I'm just not sure how
much spam that might open us to. But Ask and Robert (who run pm.org stuff)
run a tight system. Comment to this in a new thread.)

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.



From andrew at sweger.net  Thu Jan 26 00:54:40 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Catalyst
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601260048500.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Does anyone know anyone who could do a 50 minute presentation on writing
Catalyst applications? Perl, represent!

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From cmeyer at helvella.org  Thu Jan 26 10:44:08 2006
From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:44:08 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Catalyst
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601260048500.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601260048500.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <20060126184408.GI13359@funpox.helvella.org>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 12:54:40AM -0800, Andrew Sweger wrote:
> Does anyone know anyone who could do a 50 minute presentation on writing
> Catalyst applications? Perl, represent!

I'm building a webapp with the catalyst framework. I generally like the
ideas. But I wouldn't recommend it to others as a serious framework,
because it is still too raw.

It is very lacking in documentation. It is also a quickly moving target,
with new plugins regularly deprecating other plugins that are also very
new. I find that I need to get on irc to ask questions about how
something is supposed to work regularly. And then I often end up digging
through the source anyway. All in all, it is a much better system than
Maypole, and the leader of Catalyst, Sebastian Riedel, is ever-so-
slightly less annoying than Simon Cozens. Did I just say that in a
public forum? I've got to watch that shit.

The catalyst team is very gung-ho, cranking out code at great rates, and
excited about reclaiming the ground that Perl lost to Ruby, due to Ruby-on-
Rails (which I don't particularly care for).

CGI::Application is a much more mature framework. It lacks some of the
application glue that catalyst gives you.

-Colin.

p.s. I'm starting to work on a SPUG talk on profiling and optimising
     Perl, with a side discussion about recursion vs. nonrecursion. We
     should set up a wiki page with a plan for future talks, so that I
     can choose a slot and have a deadline to motivate me into finishing
     the outline and slides.

From andrew at sweger.net  Thu Jan 26 19:12:13 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:12:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG Presentation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601201949280.11323-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601261910040.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Geoffrey,

Are you still interested in presenting your RoR material? 

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> Would you be willing to give a 50 minute presentation on evening of
> Tuesday, 21 February? If you need more time, then 21 March would probably
> be a better night.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at sweger.net  Thu Jan 26 19:56:05 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:56:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] February presentations filled
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601261952200.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Looks like we have presentations for Feb. Jerry Gay on testing + parrot
and Geoffrey Grosenbach on Ruby on Rails. I think they're subscribed to
this list as well.

Jerry, Geoffrey:

We need suitable blurbs and bios for advertising, please. The sooner, the
better. If anyone else bumps into these two, twist their arms. K'thx.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Geoffrey Grosenbach <boss at topfunky.com>
To: Andrew Sweger <andrew at sweger.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:33:01 -0800
Subject: Re: SPUG Presentation
X-spam-level: 

Andrew --

Yes, definitely! Either February or March would work fine for me.  
(I've been teaching a workshop this week and am just catching up on  
things.)

50 minutes sounds fine.


Thanks!
Geoff

......................................
Website Development | http://topfunky.com
Ruby on Rails Blog | http://nubyonrails.com
Ruby on Rails Workshops | http://rubyonrailsworkshops.com
Ruby on Rails Podcast | http://podcast.rubyonrails.org




On Jan 26, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> Geoffrey,
>
> Are you still interested in presenting your RoR material?
>
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:
>
>> Would you be willing to give a 50 minute presentation on evening of
>> Tuesday, 21 February? If you need more time, then 21 March would  
>> probably
>> be a better night.
>
> -- 
> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
>                                 things can go wrong at once.
>


From andrew at sweger.net  Sat Feb 18 14:18:12 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:18:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] February presentations filled
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601261952200.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602181417270.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

We're blurbless and Duane's running an independent SPUG program.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> Looks like we have presentations for Feb. Jerry Gay on testing + parrot
> and Geoffrey Grosenbach on Ruby on Rails. I think they're subscribed to
> this list as well.
> 
> Jerry, Geoffrey:
> 
> We need suitable blurbs and bios for advertising, please. The sooner, the
> better. If anyone else bumps into these two, twist their arms. K'thx.
> 
> 

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From boss at topfunky.com  Mon Feb 20 08:32:18 2006
From: boss at topfunky.com (Geoffrey Grosenbach)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:32:18 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] February presentations filled
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602181417270.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602181417270.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <782CBD2E-681D-4CD4-9DA2-3981BF05E49D@topfunky.com>

On Feb 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> We're blurbless and Duane's running an independent SPUG program.

Argh...sorry. It's probably too late, but here you go:


Geoffrey Grosenbach is a longtime Perl'er and was a regular member of  
SPUG until he moved to Taiwan three years ago. After spending two  
years as a Technology Coordinator at an American school there, he  
returned and is making a comfortable living as a snooty Ruby on Rails  
consultant.

He hosts the Ruby on Rails podcast (http://podcast.rubyonrails.com)  
and blogs at http://nubyonrails.com



Geoff

......................................
Website Development | http://topfunky.com
Ruby on Rails Blog | http://nubyonrails.com
Ruby on Rails Workshops | http://rubyonrailsworkshops.com
Ruby on Rails Podcast | http://podcast.rubyonrails.org


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From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Feb 20 08:47:26 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:47:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] February presentations filled
In-Reply-To: <782CBD2E-681D-4CD4-9DA2-3981BF05E49D@topfunky.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602200846450.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Do you have a similar blurb for the what you will cover?

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Geoffrey Grosenbach wrote:

> On Feb 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote:
> 
> > We're blurbless and Duane's running an independent SPUG program.
> 
> Argh...sorry. It's probably too late, but here you go:
> 
> 
> Geoffrey Grosenbach is a longtime Perl'er and was a regular member of  
> SPUG until he moved to Taiwan three years ago. After spending two  
> years as a Technology Coordinator at an American school there, he  
> returned and is making a comfortable living as a snooty Ruby on Rails  
> consultant.
> 
> He hosts the Ruby on Rails podcast (http://podcast.rubyonrails.com)  
> and blogs at http://nubyonrails.com

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From boss at topfunky.com  Mon Feb 20 09:20:57 2006
From: boss at topfunky.com (Geoffrey Grosenbach)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:20:57 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] February presentations filled
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602200846450.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602200846450.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <D6B8299E-440E-47C2-88D6-D1D760DF6745@topfunky.com>


On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> Do you have a similar blurb for the what you will cover?


For a long time, Ruby has presented itself as Perl's little brother  
(see "man ruby").

Recently, it's been trying to be the little brother who happens to be  
a movie star and drives a sportscar (search "google hacker of the  
year").

Is the current attention on Ruby on Rails deserved? Does Rails make  
website development faster and easier, or is it fueled by hype? (see  
SPUG Meeting, Feb 21, 6:30 pm.)


Geoff

......................................
Website Development | http://topfunky.com
Ruby on Rails Blog | http://nubyonrails.com
Ruby on Rails Workshops | http://rubyonrailsworkshops.com
Ruby on Rails Podcast | http://podcast.rubyonrails.org





From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 14:17:51 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:17:51 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] February presentations filled
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602181417270.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0601261952200.2898-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0602181417270.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400602201417le9966e9m653a73d4612b124c@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/18/06, Andrew Sweger <andrew at sweger.net> wrote:
> We're blurbless and Duane's running an independent SPUG program.
>
i totally dropped these blurbs from my list. sorry, folks.

also, some bad news, i have to back out of tomorrow's meeting, as my
wife gave me the flu as a late valentine's day gift. i've been out of
comission since saturday, with no end in sight. maybe duane can fill
in?

sorry for the late cancellation. i'll be happy to present at the
following meeting, if requested.
~jerry


> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:
>
> > Looks like we have presentations for Feb. Jerry Gay on testing + parrot
> > and Geoffrey Grosenbach on Ruby on Rails. I think they're subscribed to
> > this list as well.
> >
> > Jerry, Geoffrey:
> >
> > We need suitable blurbs and bios for advertising, please. The sooner, the
> > better. If anyone else bumps into these two, twist their arms. K'thx.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
>                                 things can go wrong at once.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SPUG-Workers mailing list
> SPUG-Workers at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-workers
>

From andrew at sweger.net  Tue Feb 21 10:12:00 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:12:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] work wiki
In-Reply-To: <20060126184408.GI13359@funpox.helvella.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0602211008090.19407-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Colin Meyer wrote:

> p.s. I'm starting to work on a SPUG talk on profiling and optimising
>      Perl, with a side discussion about recursion vs. nonrecursion. We
>      should set up a wiki page with a plan for future talks, so that I
>      can choose a slot and have a deadline to motivate me into finishing
>      the outline and slides.

I wanted to say that the wiki idea was great and I was going to say so
right away. But I figured I should get the thing "up" if I was going to
say that. But I never did. All I really need to do is move some DNS info
around and put the mediawiki site "live" and carve out a slice of it work
spug-werker stuff. So, brilliant idea, just waiting on execution. Maybe by
replying, I'll feel more inclined to make it happen. Anyone on the
mediawiki.seattleperl.org site is welcome to make a section for this
purpose (or suggest a better way to do it).

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 08:13:32 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:13:32 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] get mark jason dominus to visit this summer?
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400603060813t6e8c2e95h21a9e32440903984@mail.gmail.com>

mjd is working on a new book, and is doing a "Code Review World Tour"
in order to help write the book and promote it. from his posted
schedule (http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/tour.html) he'll be in
portland for oscon.

continuing our recent trend of getting great post-oscon speakers who
are in the neighborhood, i'd like to get him to come give a talk at
spug in august. i'd be happy to host him for his stay, if necessary.
there are some prerequirements for the visit, which include submission
of code for him to refactor and use during his talk. i think it could
be truly enlightening, and i'm hoping others will feel similar. if so,
let's get in touch with him soon, and make this happen.

thoughts?
~jerry

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 14:03:53 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:03:53 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] March Meeting
Message-ID: <c733c5a00603071403l23b8ba5aka696c2981234759f@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen anything about topics or speakers for March.  The
meeting is only two weeks away, we should lock these things down this
week so we can post the agenda and reminder to the larger group a week
before the meeting.

I've got nothing to present, but I'm hoping that we can re-schedule
Jerry's talk was postponed or someone else has something worth
presenting.

-Steve

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 07:19:18 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:19:18 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] March Meeting
In-Reply-To: <c733c5a00603071403l23b8ba5aka696c2981234759f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c733c5a00603071403l23b8ba5aka696c2981234759f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400603080719w7d12d5f0k5b833c0873184136@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/06, Steve Baylis <sbaylis at gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't seen anything about topics or speakers for March.  The
> meeting is only two weeks away, we should lock these things down this
> week so we can post the agenda and reminder to the larger group a week
> before the meeting.
>
> I've got nothing to present, but I'm hoping that we can re-schedule
> Jerry's talk was postponed or someone else has something worth
> presenting.
>
thanks for the reminder. i'm on for march 21 for a 50 minute talk on
perl testing. i owe andrew some blurbs, so i've included them below.
~jerry

Jerry Gay is a software consultant who uses Perl for fun and profit
mainly by automating people out of jobs. He's a core committer for
Parrot, the virtual machine destined to run Perl 6, where he's
responsible for the test suite.

Test More, ok?
My confidence that my code will perform to specification has improved
significantly since I learned how to write tests. I'll give an
overview of some of Perl's test modules, and share my experiences in
applying them to Parrot. Hopefully, this will inspire you to improve
confidence in your code by writing your own tests.

From andrew at sweger.net  Wed Mar  8 23:46:03 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:46:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] March Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400603080719w7d12d5f0k5b833c0873184136@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0603082345040.3836-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, jerry gay wrote:

>           ... i owe andrew some blurbs, so i've included them below.

Thanks. I'll get an announcement out this week and update the web site.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 06:54:38 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:54:38 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] audrey tang in seattle in june
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400603140654g1602a67cg14bf46852ab817c8@mail.gmail.com>

audrey's meeting with the microsoft folks to discuss perl 6, giving a
talk called "reconciling the irreconcilable." also, her yapc::na talk
is "deploying perl 6." she'd be happy to present either to spug, if we
can get a meeting scheduled during her time here.

i don't have her travel details yet, but i think it would be great to
have her present to spug. thoughts?

and does anybody have any thoughts about getting mark jason dominus
here to present (previous message?) i don't know how soon his dance
card will be filled.

~jerry

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 08:41:34 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:41:34 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] audrey tang in seattle in june
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400603140654g1602a67cg14bf46852ab817c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400603140654g1602a67cg14bf46852ab817c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c733c5a00603140841i63011a08me7ad1a92562ac0fa@mail.gmail.com>

I'd really like to see either of these talks and we should try to fit
a meeting into her schedule.  If it doesn't fall in line with our
regular meetings, we can either move the meeting or have a special
session in June.  Once you determine a time, I can make sure that we
have the space available.

As for MJD, I've always been a big fan of his talks and I forwarded
your last message up the chain over here to see if we can do for him
what we did for Stas last year.  Kevin, our CTO, was out of town last
week but I expect to be able to talk to him about it this week.  I
should have an update before next week's meeting.

Speaking of next week's meeting.... Is someone going to send a
reminder to the list?  I think that today would be the right time. 
I'm happy to do so, but I don't want to step on any toes.

-Steve

On 3/14/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
> audrey's meeting with the microsoft folks to discuss perl 6, giving a
> talk called "reconciling the irreconcilable." also, her yapc::na talk
> is "deploying perl 6." she'd be happy to present either to spug, if we
> can get a meeting scheduled during her time here.
>
> i don't have her travel details yet, but i think it would be great to
> have her present to spug. thoughts?
>
> and does anybody have any thoughts about getting mark jason dominus
> here to present (previous message?) i don't know how soon his dance
> card will be filled.
>
> ~jerry
> _______________________________________________
> SPUG-Workers mailing list
> SPUG-Workers at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-workers
>

From andrew at sweger.net  Tue Mar 14 08:58:00 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:58:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] March Meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0603082345040.3836-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0603140857370.3836-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, jerry gay wrote:
> 
> >           ... i owe andrew some blurbs, so i've included them below.
> 
> Thanks. I'll get an announcement out this week and update the web site.

Okay, I lied. And I was very sick. I'm doing it right *now*.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From kevin-spug at fink.com  Tue Mar 14 10:54:01 2006
From: kevin-spug at fink.com (Kevin Fink)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:54:01 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] get mark jason dominus to visit this summer?
Message-ID: <44171149.4060504@fink.com>

> mjd is working on a new book, and is doing a "Code Review World Tour"
> in order to help write the book and promote it. from his posted
> schedule (http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/tour.html) he'll be in
> portland for oscon.
>
> continuing our recent trend of getting great post-oscon speakers who
> are in the neighborhood, i'd like to get him to come give a talk at
> spug in august. i'd be happy to host him for his stay, if necessary.
> there are some prerequirements for the visit, which include submission
> of code for him to refactor and use during his talk. i think it could
> be truly enlightening, and i'm hoping others will feel similar. if so,
> let's get in touch with him soon, and make this happen.

Sounds like a good idea to me.  WhitePages.com would be happy to host
the talk (at a regular or special SPUG meeting), help with travel
expenses, and may be able to provide some code to review.

Kevin



From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 10:59:04 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:59:04 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] get mark jason dominus to visit this summer?
In-Reply-To: <44171149.4060504@fink.com>
References: <44171149.4060504@fink.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400603141059u3282abb3mc2f61588f32affd2@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/14/06, Kevin Fink <kevin-spug at fink.com> wrote:
> > mjd is working on a new book, and is doing a "Code Review World Tour"
> > in order to help write the book and promote it. from his posted
> > schedule (http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/tour.html) he'll be in
> > portland for oscon.
> >
> > continuing our recent trend of getting great post-oscon speakers who
> > are in the neighborhood, i'd like to get him to come give a talk at
> > spug in august. i'd be happy to host him for his stay, if necessary.
> > there are some prerequirements for the visit, which include submission
> > of code for him to refactor and use during his talk. i think it could
> > be truly enlightening, and i'm hoping others will feel similar. if so,
> > let's get in touch with him soon, and make this happen.
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me.  WhitePages.com would be happy to host
> the talk (at a regular or special SPUG meeting), help with travel
> expenses, and may be able to provide some code to review.
>
that's wonderful news, and quite generous!
i'll forward the request to mark, and see if he's up for it.

~jerry

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 08:36:30 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:36:30 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] April Meeting
Message-ID: <c733c5a00603240836n511c5851o51cfb9a1866644a8@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that we have a speaker lined up for April yet, so I'd
like to take the spot to do a presentation on profiling, benchmarking
and tricks to make Perl run fast.

If there's no objections, I'll write up blurbs next week so we can
post something to the list by April 04.

-Steve

From andrew at sweger.net  Fri Mar 24 11:04:40 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:04:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <c733c5a00603240836n511c5851o51cfb9a1866644a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0603241017170.17872-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Gee. I don't know, Steve. Isn't Perl fast enough?

(I'm kidding)

That would be pretty sweet.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Steve Baylis wrote:

> I don't think that we have a speaker lined up for April yet, so I'd
> like to take the spot to do a presentation on profiling, benchmarking
> and tricks to make Perl run fast.
> 
> If there's no objections, I'll write up blurbs next week so we can
> post something to the list by April 04.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From sbaylis at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 10:22:06 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:22:06 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0603241017170.17872-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <c733c5a00603240836n511c5851o51cfb9a1866644a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0603241017170.17872-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <c733c5a00604121022l2a041f7fw99e737f0c856920a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Andy,

Since the meeting is next week, I guess we should send the
announcement and I should wrap up my presentation...

Below are the blurbs so you can send the announcement.  You can use
Craig for the contact person for access.  His number is 206.579.7113.


Who: Steve Baylis
I have been programming in Perl for the last ten years and I'm
currently the Lead Architect at WhitePages.com.  In my position, I am
responsible for ensuring our applications respond quickly and scale
efficiently. Given that we are a top 100 web property and all of our
code is in Perl, I have learned a *lot* about squeezing performance
from Perl.

What: Introduction to Making Perl Faster
Everyone knows "There's more than one way to do it", but that
generally means there's a fast way and a slow way and probably more
than a few in between.  Sometimes to get the best performance, you
have to sacrifice RAM or readability or both.  Sometimes, it's not
worth it.  Sometimes it is.  In my presentation, I'll use show how
we've tuned some large applications to get better performance as well
as demonstrate some simple things everyone can do to make their code
more efficient.

-Steve

From andrew at sweger.net  Wed Apr 12 10:34:23 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <c733c5a00604121022l2a041f7fw99e737f0c856920a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0604121034040.17872-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Cool. Announcement going out shortly.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Steve Baylis wrote:

> Hey Andy,
> 
> Since the meeting is next week, I guess we should send the
> announcement and I should wrap up my presentation...
> 
> Below are the blurbs so you can send the announcement.  You can use
> Craig for the contact person for access.  His number is 206.579.7113.
> 
> 
> Who: Steve Baylis
> I have been programming in Perl for the last ten years and I'm
> currently the Lead Architect at WhitePages.com.  In my position, I am
> responsible for ensuring our applications respond quickly and scale
> efficiently. Given that we are a top 100 web property and all of our
> code is in Perl, I have learned a *lot* about squeezing performance
> from Perl.
> 
> What: Introduction to Making Perl Faster
> Everyone knows "There's more than one way to do it", but that
> generally means there's a fast way and a slow way and probably more
> than a few in between.  Sometimes to get the best performance, you
> have to sacrifice RAM or readability or both.  Sometimes, it's not
> worth it.  Sometimes it is.  In my presentation, I'll use show how
> we've tuned some large applications to get better performance as well
> as demonstrate some simple things everyone can do to make their code
> more efficient.
> 
> -Steve
> 

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 08:02:55 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:02:55 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Fwd: SPUG: april 18 meeting followup (may speaker
	request)
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>

hey all~

i got a request this morning from some folks at imdb.com to do a
presentation next month. my response is below. as i said, i think it'd
be great to have them... do you?
if you do, i'd like to respond with an affirmative, so they can get to
the work of preparing a presentation.

what do you think?
~jerry

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com>
Date: Apr 20, 2006 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: SPUG: april 18 meeting followup
To: "H.B. Siegel" <hb at imdb.com>
Cc: Murray Chapman <muzzle at imdb.com>


i'd love it! spug is organized by committee, so i'll have to check
with the team before it's final... i'll start that process now. i
haven't seen any other requests by speakers, so you're first on the
list.

if you have any more specific info on a topic that somebody at
imdb.com may like to present, let me know, and i'll send it along to
the committee. i understand that it may take some time to find a
victim and force him to select a topic, so no pressure. we request a
speaker bio and presentation description for the official meeting
announcement, so if you're forcing somebody to write something, have
him write that :)

thanks for volunteering!
~jerry

On 4/19/06, H.B. Siegel <hb at imdb.com> wrote:
> Hi Jerry,
>
> How would you like a speaker from IMDb.com on our use of Perl (or some
> specific subtopic thereof...)?
>
> H.B. Siegel
> Director, IMDb.com
>

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 08:31:41 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:31:41 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Fwd: SPUG: april 18 meeting followup (may
	speaker request)
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c733c5a00604200831r6c3c77b9g3e120077af1b1aff@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good to me.

-Steve

On 4/20/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey all~
>
> i got a request this morning from some folks at imdb.com to do a
> presentation next month. my response is below. as i said, i think it'd
> be great to have them... do you?
> if you do, i'd like to respond with an affirmative, so they can get to
> the work of preparing a presentation.
>
> what do you think?
> ~jerry
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com>
> Date: Apr 20, 2006 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: SPUG: april 18 meeting followup
> To: "H.B. Siegel" <hb at imdb.com>
> Cc: Murray Chapman <muzzle at imdb.com>
>
>
> i'd love it! spug is organized by committee, so i'll have to check
> with the team before it's final... i'll start that process now. i
> haven't seen any other requests by speakers, so you're first on the
> list.
>
> if you have any more specific info on a topic that somebody at
> imdb.com may like to present, let me know, and i'll send it along to
> the committee. i understand that it may take some time to find a
> victim and force him to select a topic, so no pressure. we request a
> speaker bio and presentation description for the official meeting
> announcement, so if you're forcing somebody to write something, have
> him write that :)
>
> thanks for volunteering!
> ~jerry
>
> On 4/19/06, H.B. Siegel <hb at imdb.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > How would you like a speaker from IMDb.com on our use of Perl (or some
> > specific subtopic thereof...)?
> >
> > H.B. Siegel
> > Director, IMDb.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SPUG-Workers mailing list
> SPUG-Workers at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-workers
>

From kevin-spug at fink.com  Thu Apr 20 08:38:55 2006
From: kevin-spug at fink.com (Kevin Fink)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:38:55 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Fwd: SPUG: april 18 meeting followup (may
 speaker request)
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4447AB0F.5060809@fink.com>

Sounds good to me.

Kevin

jerry gay wrote:
> hey all~
> 
> i got a request this morning from some folks at imdb.com to do a
> presentation next month. my response is below. as i said, i think it'd
> be great to have them... do you?
> if you do, i'd like to respond with an affirmative, so they can get to
> the work of preparing a presentation.
> 
> what do you think?
> ~jerry
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com>
> Date: Apr 20, 2006 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: SPUG: april 18 meeting followup
> To: "H.B. Siegel" <hb at imdb.com>
> Cc: Murray Chapman <muzzle at imdb.com>
> 
> 
> i'd love it! spug is organized by committee, so i'll have to check
> with the team before it's final... i'll start that process now. i
> haven't seen any other requests by speakers, so you're first on the
> list.
> 
> if you have any more specific info on a topic that somebody at
> imdb.com may like to present, let me know, and i'll send it along to
> the committee. i understand that it may take some time to find a
> victim and force him to select a topic, so no pressure. we request a
> speaker bio and presentation description for the official meeting
> announcement, so if you're forcing somebody to write something, have
> him write that :)
> 
> thanks for volunteering!
> ~jerry
> 
> On 4/19/06, H.B. Siegel <hb at imdb.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> How would you like a speaker from IMDb.com on our use of Perl (or some
>> specific subtopic thereof...)?
>>
>> H.B. Siegel
>> Director, IMDb.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SPUG-Workers mailing list
> SPUG-Workers at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-workers


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Fri Apr 21 06:23:41 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:23:41 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG: april 18 meeting followup (may speaker
	request)
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400604200802l1b31a374pc52e8af88361aec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400604210623l4b98a783i13d270045152815a@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/20/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
> i got a request this morning from some folks at imdb.com to do a
> presentation next month. my response is below. as i said, i think it'd
> be great to have them... do you?
> if you do, i'd like to respond with an affirmative, so they can get to
> the work of preparing a presentation.
>
> what do you think?

thanks for the feedback. all 'aye's, no 'nay's. i'll let them know.
~jerry

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Fri Apr 21 06:36:35 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:36:35 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG: april 18 meeting followup
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400604200753y63726665t22e3922b297f6ddd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400604191613q2962cd8k99aacde825a189c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200604192348.k3JNmrf15733@uk1.imdb.com>
	<1d9a3f400604200753y63726665t22e3922b297f6ddd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400604210636p491507d2ncf9f79dc20950665@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/20/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
> i'd love it! spug is organized by committee, so i'll have to check
> with the team before it's final... i'll start that process now. i
> haven't seen any other requests by speakers, so you're first on the
> list.
>
i'm happy to report all are in favor of a speaker from imdb. we'd be
happy to have you at our next regular tech meeting, on the third
tuesday in may (the 16th.) i've included our organizing committee
address in my response, so we can work with you to coordinate the
talk.

> if you have any more specific info on a topic that somebody at
> imdb.com may like to present, let me know, and i'll send it along to
> the committee. i understand that it may take some time to find a
> victim and force him to select a topic, so no pressure. we request a
> speaker bio and presentation description for the official meeting
> announcement, so if you're forcing somebody to write something, have
> him write that :)
>
that is the next step. we request the talk details *at least* one week
before the talk, so a timely announcement can be made. sooner is
always better. if you have any questions, please feel free to contact
spug-workers at pm.org.

> thanks for volunteering!
~jerry

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Wed May 10 08:41:22 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:41:22 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Mtg Next Week
Message-ID: <c733c5a00605100841g6bf62fx8b8ca643c3835cf7@mail.gmail.com>

I think we have a speaker lined up but I haven't seen any reminder sent out
to the list.  We should try to get something out today or tomorrow.

Craig will be the point person for access, so you can use his cell -
206-579-7113

-Steve

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Wed May 10 08:51:17 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:51:17 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG: april 18 meeting followup
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400604210636p491507d2ncf9f79dc20950665@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400604191613q2962cd8k99aacde825a189c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200604192348.k3JNmrf15733@uk1.imdb.com>
	<1d9a3f400604200753y63726665t22e3922b297f6ddd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1d9a3f400604210636p491507d2ncf9f79dc20950665@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400605100851v5d9bae82j431a0370cd52c014@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/21/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
> that is the next step. we request the talk details *at least* one week
> before the talk, so a timely announcement can be made. sooner is
> always better. if you have any questions, please feel free to contact
> spug-workers at pm.org.
>
we're about week away from the next meeting, and it's time to send an
announcement out to the list members. my apologies for not reminding
you earlier, but we request a short speaker bio and a talk title and
description. please forward them at your earliest convenience, so we
can advertise your talk.

thanks again for volunteering. if i can assist in any way, don't
hesitate to contact me.
~jerry

From muzzle at imdb.com  Wed May 10 18:13:16 2006
From: muzzle at imdb.com (Murray Chapman)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:13:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG: april 18 meeting followup
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400605100851v5d9bae82j431a0370cd52c014@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0605110142540.31771-100000@uk2.imdb.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2006, jerry gay wrote:

> we're about week away from the next meeting, and it's time to send an
> announcement out to the list members. my apologies for not reminding
> you earlier, but we request a short speaker bio and a talk title and
> description. please forward them at your earliest convenience, so we
> can advertise your talk.

Hi Jerry,

I'll be giving the talk; here's some info you can use:

Perl at IMDb -- Murray Chapman

The Internet Movie Database is a top-100 website with an large amount of
highly-interlinked data.  We see ourselves as a technology company rather
than a media or entertainment company, having custom-built essentially all
of our software in Perl.  I would like to share some of the lessons we've
learned about Perl: what works, what doesn't, and what we wish it could do
-- as well as discussing practical information about building and
operating an ultra-high-volume website as part of a team that is
distributed across the globe.


About me:

I am the manager of the technology team at IMDb; our team's role is to
build and operate the website, development platform, and other internal
tools.  I have been with IMDb since 1993 when it was a hobby project
coordinated via rec.arts.movies.  Following our April 1998 aquisition by
Amazon.com I moved from Brisbane, Australia to Seattle to spearhead the
integration effort.  I'm a movie and computer geek, which makes IMDb the
perfect environment for me!



Thanks,
Murray

-- Murray Chapman                               Zheenl Punczna          --
-- muzzle at imdb.com                              zhmmyr at vzqo.pbz         --
-- Internet Movie Database                      Vagrearg Zbivr Qngnonfr --
-- http://www.imdb.com                          uggc://jjj.vzqo.pbz     --


From andrew at sweger.net  Thu May 11 16:57:40 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:57:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] meeting announcement
In-Reply-To: <c733c5a00605100841g6bf62fx8b8ca643c3835cf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0605111656170.13645-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Sorry for the delay. Meeting announcement will go out shortly and then
I'll get the website updated. I will also be attempting to switch the
(current) mediawiki into place of the kwiki pages as the official SPUG
Wiki.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at sweger.net  Thu May 11 17:01:43 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] wiki
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0605111656170.13645-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0605111659270.13645-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Thu, 11 May 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:

>                               I will also be attempting to switch the
> (current) mediawiki into place of the kwiki pages as the official SPUG
> Wiki.

Or better yet. If I can ever figure out how to change the logo on
mediawiki (cleanly!), maybe the mediawiki can just be the whole SPUG
website, eh?

If you know the correct way to change the mediawiki logo stuff, let me
know!

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at sweger.net  Thu May 11 17:18:56 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] writing announcements
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0605111716370.13645-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

The hardest part of writing the meeting announcement is coming up with the
cheesy copy:

  "Please join us Tuesday evening on 16 May 2006 at the regular monthly
   meeting of the Seattle Perl Users Group. Murray Chapman takes us inside
   the studio and on to the backlot for a glimpse into the Perl magic that
   keeps the reels turning at the Internet Movie Database. Come meet this
   star of script and web scenes made famous around the world."

Oh, and forgetting to put the title in the message subject. Bah. (It's
okay, I'm sick as a very sick dog. I'm only a few whimpers from being put
down.)


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Sun May 21 20:05:12 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:05:12 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] speak in seattle, and connect on LinkedIn?
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0605211923o5e720ceexab0bc55f6755e38a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5548073.1144868245085.JavaMail.app@app02.prod>
	<2715accf0604121409t629428bakc6f00156502dc20b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1d9a3f400605151438o3a638333r3f90142013c97e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<2715accf0605151601se283f9bn2c8f0e872053d9b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<2715accf0605211923o5e720ceexab0bc55f6755e38a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400605212005m4d89e705ud2b6b9ea5f021ec3@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/21/06, brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
> How about Monday July 24th for a SPUG thing? I can't get into town
> earlier, and I have a thing right after OSCON?
>
that's wonderful news!

our usual meeting would be tuesday, 18 july, but i'm certain we can
reschedule or have an extra-special meeting on monday the 24th. i'll
get the details (venue, etc) to you as july approaches. i've copied
the spug-workers (organizing committee,) so we're all aware of the
july date.

if you have a topic or topics you'd like to speak to, please let us
know in advance. we'll help you pick one if you'd like. oh, and if you
have any questions about spug and its members, sightseeing, trip
planning, or anything related to your visit, please give a shout.
we'll happily provide.

see you soon! be well.
~jerry

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 18:40:20 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:40:20 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] june meeting -- slight change?
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400606081840r1b837f1dw5fc849d8c885c3a7@mail.gmail.com>

i just spoke with audrey. it seems that wednesday or thursday (21st or
22nd) would work better for her, so she can make a stop in portland as
well. can we secure a space for the talk at 6:30p on either of those
nights, or are we locked in for friday the 23rd?

i have attached her bio and talk details below, so as soon as the
date, time, and location are settled,  we can send out the usual
invite. i think the sooner the better, so everyone has time to adjust
for the adjusted time.

btw i reverted the main wiki page from spam.
~jerry



Presentation Description
Deploying Perl 6

With the advent of v6.pm, we can write "use v6-pugs;", start coding in
Perl 6, and deploy it as part of a Perl 5 application, without any
extra dependencies such as Haskell, Parrot, or even C compilers.

This talk will discuss typical deployment scenarios, emphasizing on
the strength of Perl 6's deployment model:

    * Automatic dependency analysis, so upgrading CPAN modules will no
longer break programs mysteriously.
    * Multiversioning, allowing the use of multiple versions of the
same module on the system.
    * Module and function interfaces that enables more robust and
self-documenting programs.
    * Cross-platform bytecode, resulting in faster loading time and
cross-compilation opportunity to e.g. client-side JavaScript.

Moreover, we will present recipes for reusing Perl 5 modules in Perl 6
programs and vice versa.


Speaker Bio
Audrey Tang (Traditional chinese: ??; born April 18, 1981 as ???,
formerly known as Autrijus) is a Taiwanese free software programmer,
best known for initiating and leading the Pugs project, a joint effort
from Haskell and Perl communities to implement the Perl 6 language.

She is also known for internationalization and localization
contributions to several Free Software programs, including SVK, Kwiki,
Request Tracker and Slash, as well as heading Traditional Chinese
translation efforts for various Open Source-related books.

On the CPAN, Tang initiated over 100 Perl projects, including the
popular Perl Archive Toolkit (PAR), a cross-platform packaging and
deployment tool for Perl 5. She is also responsible for setting up
smoke test and digital signature systems for CPAN.

Tang is a high school dropout and a vocal proponent for autodidactism
and individualist anarchism.

From andrew at sweger.net  Thu Jun  8 19:08:06 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] june meeting -- slight change?
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400606081840r1b837f1dw5fc849d8c885c3a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0606081904040.18976-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Wow. You've lined up an incredible selection of speakers. I wonder if we
can get it posted on "use Perl;" like all the other PMs are doing. (I'm
kidding actually. Posting upcoming PM meetings on the "use Perl;"
announcements just dilutes the news it seems.)

It's gonna be a Perl Blowout Summer.

(The date change is fine by me.)

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, jerry gay wrote:

> i just spoke with audrey. it seems that wednesday or thursday (21st or
22nd) would work better for her, so she can make a stop in portland as
well. can we secure a space for the talk at 6:30p on either of those
nights, or are we locked in for friday the 23rd?

i have attached her bio and talk details below, so as soon as the
date, time, and location are settled,  we can send out the usual
invite. i think the sooner the better, so everyone has time to adjust
for the adjusted time.

btw i reverted the main wiki page from spam.
~jerry



Presentation Description
Deploying Perl 6

With the advent of v6.pm, we can write "use v6-pugs;", start coding in
Perl 6, and deploy it as part of a Perl 5 application, without any
extra dependencies such as Haskell, Parrot, or even C compilers.

This talk will discuss typical deployment scenarios, emphasizing on
the strength of Perl 6's deployment model:

    * Automatic dependency analysis, so upgrading CPAN modules will no
longer break programs mysteriously.
    * Multiversioning, allowing the use of multiple versions of the
same module on the system.
    * Module and function interfaces that enables more robust and
self-documenting programs.
    * Cross-platform bytecode, resulting in faster loading time and
cross-compilation opportunity to e.g. client-side JavaScript.

Moreover, we will present recipes for reusing Perl 5 modules in Perl 6
programs and vice versa.


Speaker Bio
Audrey Tang (Traditional chinese: ??; born April 18, 1981 as ???,
formerly known as Autrijus) is a Taiwanese free software programmer,
best known for initiating and leading the Pugs project, a joint effort
from Haskell and Perl communities to implement the Perl 6 language.

She is also known for internationalization and localization
contributions to several Free Software programs, including SVK, Kwiki,
Request Tracker and Slash, as well as heading Traditional Chinese
translation efforts for various Open Source-related books.

On the CPAN, Tang initiated over 100 Perl projects, including the
popular Perl Archive Toolkit (PAR), a cross-platform packaging and
deployment tool for Perl 5. She is also responsible for setting up
smoke test and digital signature systems for CPAN.

Tang is a high school dropout and a vocal proponent for autodidactism
and individualist anarchism.
_______________________________________________
SPUG-Workers mailing list
SPUG-Workers at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-workers


-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From sbaylis at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 08:46:23 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:46:23 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] june meeting -- slight change?
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400606081840r1b837f1dw5fc849d8c885c3a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400606081840r1b837f1dw5fc849d8c885c3a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c733c5a00606120846s6621440aw5041ee42ac62a455@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jerry,

Our office will be available any night that week, so what ever works best
for Audrey is fine here.

-Steve

On 6/8/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i just spoke with audrey. it seems that wednesday or thursday (21st or
> 22nd) would work better for her, so she can make a stop in portland as
> well. can we secure a space for the talk at 6:30p on either of those
> nights, or are we locked in for friday the 23rd?
>
> i have attached her bio and talk details below, so as soon as the
> date, time, and location are settled,  we can send out the usual
> invite. i think the sooner the better, so everyone has time to adjust
> for the adjusted time.
>
> btw i reverted the main wiki page from spam.
> ~jerry
>
>
>
> Presentation Description
> Deploying Perl 6
>
> With the advent of v6.pm, we can write "use v6-pugs;", start coding in
> Perl 6, and deploy it as part of a Perl 5 application, without any
> extra dependencies such as Haskell, Parrot, or even C compilers.
>
> This talk will discuss typical deployment scenarios, emphasizing on
> the strength of Perl 6's deployment model:
>
>     * Automatic dependency analysis, so upgrading CPAN modules will no
> longer break programs mysteriously.
>     * Multiversioning, allowing the use of multiple versions of the
> same module on the system.
>     * Module and function interfaces that enables more robust and
> self-documenting programs.
>     * Cross-platform bytecode, resulting in faster loading time and
> cross-compilation opportunity to e.g. client-side JavaScript.
>
> Moreover, we will present recipes for reusing Perl 5 modules in Perl 6
> programs and vice versa.
>
>
> Speaker Bio
> Audrey Tang (Traditional chinese: ??; born April 18, 1981 as ???,
> formerly known as Autrijus) is a Taiwanese free software programmer,
> best known for initiating and leading the Pugs project, a joint effort
> from Haskell and Perl communities to implement the Perl 6 language.
>
> She is also known for internationalization and localization
> contributions to several Free Software programs, including SVK, Kwiki,
> Request Tracker and Slash, as well as heading Traditional Chinese
> translation efforts for various Open Source-related books.
>
> On the CPAN, Tang initiated over 100 Perl projects, including the
> popular Perl Archive Toolkit (PAR), a cross-platform packaging and
> deployment tool for Perl 5. She is also responsible for setting up
> smoke test and digital signature systems for CPAN.
>
> Tang is a high school dropout and a vocal proponent for autodidactism
> and individualist anarchism.
> _______________________________________________
> SPUG-Workers mailing list
> SPUG-Workers at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-workers
>

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 08:53:41 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:53:41 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] june meeting -- slight change?
In-Reply-To: <c733c5a00606120846s6621440aw5041ee42ac62a455@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400606081840r1b837f1dw5fc849d8c885c3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<c733c5a00606120846s6621440aw5041ee42ac62a455@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400606120853x207d2f71yefbfe408bc8b26a1@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/12/06, Steve Baylis <sbaylis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Jerry,
>
> Our office will be available any night that week, so what ever works best
> for Audrey is fine here.
>
great, thanks. let's plan on thursday, then, as that works better for
audrey. i'll update the wiki now.

okay, what needs to be done to get a meeting announcement out. andrew,
are you able to do this today? need anything to make it easier?
~jerry

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 09:08:45 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:08:45 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] june meeting -- slight change?
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400606120853x207d2f71yefbfe408bc8b26a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d9a3f400606081840r1b837f1dw5fc849d8c885c3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<c733c5a00606120846s6621440aw5041ee42ac62a455@mail.gmail.com>
	<1d9a3f400606120853x207d2f71yefbfe408bc8b26a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c733c5a00606120908v2c9fba87rcebe51bd18361cf@mail.gmail.com>

Colin will be the contact person.  You can list 206.354.7789 for the contact
number.

-Steve

On 6/12/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/12/06, Steve Baylis <sbaylis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Jerry,
> >
> > Our office will be available any night that week, so what ever works
> best
> > for Audrey is fine here.
> >
> great, thanks. let's plan on thursday, then, as that works better for
> audrey. i'll update the wiki now.
>
> okay, what needs to be done to get a meeting announcement out. andrew,
> are you able to do this today? need anything to make it easier?
> ~jerry
>

From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jun 12 09:31:45 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] june meeting -- slight change?
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400606120853x207d2f71yefbfe408bc8b26a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0606120929160.18976-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, jerry gay wrote:

> okay, what needs to be done to get a meeting announcement out. andrew,
> are you able to do this today? need anything to make it easier?

Topic description and current speaker bio written in third person helps a
lot. In terms of advertising, I try to aim for people who are sitting on
the fence trying to decide if they want to go. I figure anyone not sitting
on the fence has already made up their mind and there's no point arguing
with them.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at seattleperl.org  Mon Jun 12 11:02:56 2006
From: andrew at seattleperl.org (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] PREVIEW - meeting announcement 22 June 2006
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0606121036280.18976-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

This is the meeting announcement. I will distribute it to the list around
2:00 pm (PDT) including any corrections or improvements received by then.

 Special night: THURSDAY THURSDAY THURSDAY

        June 2006 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting
        =================================================
  
       Title: Deploying Perl 6
     Speaker: Audrey Tang

Meeting Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m.
    Location: Whitepages.com offices, downtown Seattle
              
        Cost: Admission is free and open to the general public
        Info: http://seattleperl.org/

             ===========================================

Please join us Thursday (yes, I said THURSDAY) evening on 22 June 2006 at
the (otherwise) regular monthly meeting of the Seattle Perl Users Group.
This month we are very happy to have Audrey Tang as our guest to talk
about deploying Perl 6 today. Are you ready to get Perl 6 out the door?
Come find out how you can do it now with everyone's favorite post modern
language. Perl, the language evolving so fast that you can write code
using tomorrow's technology yesterday.

We will not be meeting on Tuesday.

Thank you to our hosts at Whitepages.com for giving us a great place to
hold our meetings and presentations, to Jerry Gay for working out the
details of arranging for Audrey to meet with us, to the SPUG-Workers list
for picking up the loose pieces, to all the SPUG members that show up at
meetings or participate on the list to make the group worthwhile in the
first place, and all the JAPHs our there for just being.

See below for more information on...

    - Speaker Background
    - Presentation Description
    - Meeting Location

Speaker Background
==================

Audrey Tang
-----------

Audrey Tang (formerly known as Autrijus) is a Taiwanese free software
programmer, best known for initiating and leading the Pugs project, a
joint effort from Haskell and Perl communities to implement the Perl 6
language.

She is also known for internationalization and localization contributions
to several Free Software programs, including SVK, Kwiki, Request Tracker
and Slash, as well as heading Traditional Chinese translation efforts for
various Open Source-related books.

On the CPAN, Tang initiated over 100 Perl projects, including the
popular Perl Archive Toolkit (PAR), a cross-platform packaging and
deployment tool for Perl 5. She is also responsible for setting up
smoke test and digital signature systems for CPAN.

Tang is a high school dropout and a vocal proponent for autodidactism
and individualist anarchism.

Presentation Description
========================

Deploying Perl 6
----------------

With the advent of v6.pm, we can write "use v6-pugs;", start coding in
Perl 6, and deploy it as part of a Perl 5 application, without any extra
dependencies such as Haskell, Parrot, or even C compilers.

This talk will discuss typical deployment scenarios, emphasizing on the
strength of Perl 6's deployment model:

  - Automatic dependency analysis, so upgrading CPAN modules will no
    longer break programs mysteriously.
  - Multiversioning, allowing the use of multiple versions of the same
    module on the system.
  - Module and function interfaces that enables more robust and self-
    documenting programs.
  - Cross-platform bytecode, resulting in faster loading time and cross-
    compilation opportunity to e.g. client-side JavaScript.

Moreover, we will present recipes for reusing Perl 5 modules in Perl 6
programs and vice versa.

Meeting Location
================

Whitepages.com is located on the 16th floor of the Rainier Square Tower
(1301 5th Avenue, Seattle) which is across from the 5th Avenue Theater.
See the directions[1] for a quick primer on how to reach us from various
locations across Puget Sound.

There are plenty of locations to park in the area, including on the
street. If you're looking for off-street parking, you can park in the
Rainier Square garage which has an entrance on Union St.

After 6PM, the building management restricts access to most floors. Our
host is trying to take care of this, but if unsuccessful, they will
station someone on the 1st floor near the elevator bank and 5th Avenue
entrance to let people in. Worst case scenario, give our host a call on
his cell phone[2] and he'll run down to let you in.

Our hosts are providing a generous assortment of free sodas, fruit drinks,
teas, and coffee, and also have some snacks. You definitely won't
dehydrate here.

We look forward to seeing you!

[1] - http://www.whitepagesinc.com/locations
[2] - (206) 354-7789




From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 12:08:46 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:08:46 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] meeting monday
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400607211208q2bd6fd37xd74c6d0eea0330ef@mail.gmail.com>

i find myself utterly unable to write the meeting message for this
month. i'm double- and triple-booked with my time from now through
sunday morning. is there chance somebody else can get together the
speaker bio (brian d foy) and a brief talk description (an as yet
unspecific topic from mastering perl) so andy can send out the invite?

i'm sorry i fell down on this one. oh, while i'm at it, it looks like
mjd can't join us here in august, due to more important items like
finding a new job :(

so, i'll be looking for an august speaker, too (ingy may be available.)
~jerry

there is some good news, i spoke to damian, larry, and randal, and
they all showed interest in coming to seattle. i'm sure i can get
larry and randal here pretty easily, but it'll be a bit tricker to get
the damian, as sponsorship is likely required due to travel costs.

again, sorry for dropping the ball.

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 13:47:46 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:47:46 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400607241347w5e853c91s350e39ffc14284b2@mail.gmail.com>

will whitepages.com offices be available for a meeting tonight?

i haven't gotten the announcement out, and you all know it's really
late. but if the usual venue isn't available, i'll have to find an
alternate *in a hurry*. i'll do that, if i can't get confirmation that
whitepages.com offices are available.

let me know.
~jerry

From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jul 24 15:31:45 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] moderated messages
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0607241530570.18976-140000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

In Portland. Lousy network. Lost list admin pw. Attached 4 most recent
moderated msgs. Will fix list later when I get pw reset. Lots of SPUGgers
here already.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.

From andrew at sweger.net  Mon Jul 24 15:34:59 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] moderated messages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0607241530570.18976-140000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0607241534340.18976-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

My MUA sucks too. More later...

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> In Portland. Lousy network. Lost list admin pw. Attached 4 most recent
> moderated msgs. Will fix list later when I get pw reset. Lots of SPUGgers
> here already.
> 
> 

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From csimmons at whitepages.com  Mon Jul 24 13:58:07 2006
From: csimmons at whitepages.com (Craig Simmons)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:58:07 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement
Message-ID: <257134999D2E2741B83B4DA11DC53A7A127F2A@post.corp.w3data.com>

Yes - we can be available. I can stay to help people in.

Although it may be a sparse SPUG meeting as lots o' people are likely at
OSCON

C


-----Original Message-----
From: spug-workers-bounces+csimmons=whitepages.com at pm.org
[mailto:spug-workers-bounces+csimmons=whitepages.com at pm.org] On Behalf
Of jerry gay
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 1:48 PM
To: SPUG-Workers at pm.org
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement

will whitepages.com offices be available for a meeting tonight?

i haven't gotten the announcement out, and you all know it's really
late. but if the usual venue isn't available, i'll have to find an
alternate *in a hurry*. i'll do that, if i can't get confirmation that
whitepages.com offices are available.

let me know.
~jerry
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From csimmons at whitepages.com  Mon Jul 24 14:00:58 2006
From: csimmons at whitepages.com (Craig Simmons)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:00:58 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement
Message-ID: <257134999D2E2741B83B4DA11DC53A7A127F2D@post.corp.w3data.com>

And is the meeting tonight (Monday)? Or tomorrow night? (Tuesday)

C


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Simmons 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 1:58 PM
To: 'jerry gay'; SPUG-Workers at pm.org
Cc: Kevin Fink; Daina Wilburn
Subject: RE: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement

Yes - we can be available. I can stay to help people in.

Although it may be a sparse SPUG meeting as lots o' people are likely at
OSCON

C


-----Original Message-----
From: spug-workers-bounces+csimmons=whitepages.com at pm.org
[mailto:spug-workers-bounces+csimmons=whitepages.com at pm.org] On Behalf
Of jerry gay
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 1:48 PM
To: SPUG-Workers at pm.org
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement

will whitepages.com offices be available for a meeting tonight?

i haven't gotten the announcement out, and you all know it's really
late. but if the usual venue isn't available, i'll have to find an
alternate *in a hurry*. i'll do that, if i can't get confirmation that
whitepages.com offices are available.

let me know.
~jerry
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From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 14:01:32 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:01:32 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement
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On 7/24/06, Craig Simmons <csimmons at whitepages.com> wrote:
> Yes - we can be available. I can stay to help people in.
>
excellent, thanks.

> Although it may be a sparse SPUG meeting as lots o' people are likely at
> OSCON
>
yeah, i hoped to have the meeting last week, but the speaker is only
available tonight.
off to write the announcement! see you toninght. and thank you!

~jerry

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 14:03:31 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:03:31 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] late meeting announcement
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On 7/24/06, Craig Simmons <csimmons at whitepages.com> wrote:
> And is the meeting tonight (Monday)? Or tomorrow night? (Tuesday)
>
> C
>
it is tonight. same time (6:30p)

From andrew at sweger.net  Tue Jul 25 18:27:08 2006
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Solstice Talk for SPUG
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607251507470.16558@homer21.u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0607251820590.18976-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Sounds interesting. August is booked (MJD) and September is tentatively
booked (chromatic). We're currently handling scheduling on the groups wiki
site[1].

I've Cc:'d the SPUG-Workers mailing list, the group that handles
organizing the meetings and seeing that things get done. Can you reply
(including the SPUG-Workers list) with a brief description of the
presentation? Basically ad copy that we can use to help sell the
presentation (what is the topic and why should I attend). A presenter's
bio is appreciated if it's available.

Thanks!

[1] - http://wiki.seattleperl.org/

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Miles Crawford wrote:

> 
> Hey Andrew,
> 
> We chatted at YAPC about doing a presentation on the Solstice framework at 
> SPUG sometime this fall.
> 
> Just wanted to check in on that and let you know that we'd still be happy to 
> do that - what does your schedule look like?
> 
> See you,
> 
> -Miles
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 10:27:56 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:27:56 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Fwd: spug august speaker request (fulfilled!)
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400608121027x6142fbb5ldba4720a17447326@mail.gmail.com>

looks like we have a replacement speaker for the august meeting this coming
tuesday. i'm getting the group mail announcement ready now. patrick, miles,
if you have any questions about the meeting, you can ask them here.
otherwise, we'll see you tuesday evening!

~jerry

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Patrick Michaud <pmichaud at u.washington.edu>
Date: Aug 12, 2006 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: spug august speaker request
To: jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com>
Cc: mcrawfor at u.washington.edu

Jerry,

We are definitely interested in speaking at SPUG, and this Tuesday will
work out well for us.  We can do a slightly updated version of the talk we
gave at YAPC, Introducing the Solstice Framework.  We'll be doing a live
demo of how we develop applications on the framework, and give an overview
of how some of the more advanced features have helped improve our
applications.

See you Tuesday,
-----------------------------------
Patrick Michaud, Software Developer
Catalyst Research and Development
Office of Learning Technologies
University of Washington
(206) 616-3406
http://catalyst.washington.edu

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, jerry gay wrote:

> patrick, miles~
>
> during yapc i spoke to you and the other catalyst folks about doing a
> talk for spug. mark dominus, our august speaker, had to cancel, so i'm
> looking for a speaker to fill the slot. i believe one of you (miles?)
> had mentioned giving your catalyst talk, and i'm wondering if you're
> still interested, and if so, can you do it this month? the meetings
> are usually third tuesday, which would mean the 15th, but i've been
> playing so many tricks with the schedule this summer, i think it'd be
> okay if the meeting were held on the fourth tuesday instead.
>
> if you can't do august, we can schedule you for october, if that works
> better. let me know.
> ~jerry
>

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 08:11:15 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:11:15 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] september meeting planning
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400609080811m6c3364b1saccb691e39c391ce@mail.gmail.com>

i'm getting things set up for our meeting on the 19th.
this month's meeting will feature chromatic.
i pinged him today to get some details as to what he'd like to talk about.
hopefully i'll have that info soon, and i'll post it here to get some feedback.

see you soon!
~jerry

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 16:56:48 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:56:48 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] september meeting planning cont'd
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400609131656h2b72bdb9vdf4f84910528bf4f@mail.gmail.com>

i have the talk info and speaker bio updated on the wiki
(wiki.seattleperl.org) so i'm *almost* ready to send out the reminder.
i'd like to make sure that i've got the proper host info. can someone
at whitepages volunteer to let folks in this week, and provide a phone
number so i can add it to the meeting reminder message? thanks.

see you tuesday.
~jerry

From sbaylis at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 17:14:13 2006
From: sbaylis at gmail.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:14:13 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] september meeting planning cont'd
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Hey Jerry,

Thanks for all of your hard work getting these talks together.  You can use
Daina as the contact person.  His number is 206.271.9267

See you Tuesday.

-Steve

On 9/13/06, jerry gay <jerry.gay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i have the talk info and speaker bio updated on the wiki
> (wiki.seattleperl.org) so i'm *almost* ready to send out the reminder.
> i'd like to make sure that i've got the proper host info. can someone
> at whitepages volunteer to let folks in this week, and provide a phone
> number so i can add it to the meeting reminder message? thanks.
>
> see you tuesday.
> ~jerry
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From sbaylis at whitepages.com  Mon Oct  9 09:51:29 2006
From: sbaylis at whitepages.com (Steve Baylis)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:51:29 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] October Meeting?
Message-ID: <33B47F69A0CC444CA074864F04A3E1361E9712@mail.corp.w3data.com>

Hey all,
 
Are we having a meeting next week?  The WhitePages office is available,
but I have nothing worthy of presenting.
 
-Steve

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From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Oct  9 10:01:24 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:01:24 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] October Meeting?
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On 10/9/06, Steve Baylis <sbaylis at whitepages.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Are we having a meeting next week?  The WhitePages office is available,
> but I have nothing worthy of presenting.
>
yes! we're having a meeting. there's no speaker booked, so let's all
be the speakers. it's fall and the harvest moon is waning. let's take
some time to talk about what we've harvested from perl this season.
come with examples of modules you've used, code you've written, or
concepts you've come to understand, and what fruits your labors have
bared.

i have many examples from my work on parrot, and i can spend a few
minutes describing a small module i wrote to filter application error
messages using Tie::File. i hope you can find an example or two and
are willing to share them with the group. otherwise, we can wander
downstairs and enjoy the fruits of someone else's harvest at rock
bottom :)

the meeting is the usual place and time (17oct at 18:30.) i'll send out
an announcement soon.
~jerry

From csimmons at whitepages.com  Tue Oct 17 08:34:11 2006
From: csimmons at whitepages.com (Craig Simmons)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:34:11 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Meeting Tonight?
Message-ID: <EF351FDCE6A1B64B925D0E416DE484D99735B3@post.corp.w3data.com>

Is there a SPUG meeting tonight? Haven't heard anything and wanted to
check...



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From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 14:00:11 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:00:11 -0700
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] Meeting Tonight?
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yes, thanks for the reminder, i'm sending out the invite now.

On 10/17/06, Craig Simmons <csimmons at whitepages.com> wrote:
> Is there a SPUG meeting tonight? Haven't heard anything and wanted to
> check...
>
>
>
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>
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From cmeyer at helvella.org  Mon Nov 20 13:54:05 2006
From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:54:05 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG meeting tomorrow
Message-ID: <20061120215405.GA30506@funpox.helvella.org>

Jerry,

I heard that Ingy offered to give a talk tomorrow at SPUG. If that's true,
great, and we need an announcement. If it's not true, no problem, we'll be
meeting anyway, informally, or to hear my p6 minitalk from work.

Either way, I'm willing to make the announcement. Let me know.

-Colin.

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 14:03:49 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:03:49 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] SPUG meeting tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <20061120215405.GA30506@funpox.helvella.org>
References: <20061120215405.GA30506@funpox.helvella.org>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400611201403j3d51c073j87780cd23f532747@mail.gmail.com>

colin~

i'm glad you got in touch with me. i've been busy with family in town,
and my furnace and fridge stopped working in two straight days. all's
well with the appliances now, but the spug announcement has slipped
down my list of priorities. yes, ingy did offer a talk about Jemplate
and some secret project, and i think that would be a great topic. i
figured it'd be 1/2 ingy and 1/2 freeform, because i liked that last
month, and so did others (yourself included.) if michael wolf is
there, ask him about the chicago hackathon, which was an incredible
success. i think we should be looking to host one in seattle whenever
practical.

i can't make the meeting this month due to family obligations, so
whatever you can put together would be much appreciated. sorry to hear
you're working with perl6 and i've got to miss the meeting. hope to
catch up with you soon.

~jerry

On 11/20/06, Colin Meyer <cmeyer at helvella.org> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> I heard that Ingy offered to give a talk tomorrow at SPUG. If that's true,
> great, and we need an announcement. If it's not true, no problem, we'll be
> meeting anyway, informally, or to hear my p6 minitalk from work.
>
> Either way, I'm willing to make the announcement. Let me know.
>
> -Colin.
>

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 17:56:57 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:56:57 -0800
Subject: [SPUG-Workers] december meeting planning
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400612121756l4e61e18aj68b5eeab4a3fee4@mail.gmail.com>

i won't be around for most of the rest of the month, and i'll
definitely miss the meeting if there is one on tuesday. could somebody
else please step up and plan a december meeting? thx
~jerry