From zoro98020 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:36:21 2016
From: zoro98020 at gmail.com (Mark Hinds)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:36:21 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
Message-ID: <577C1A45.2080501@gmail.com>

There's been no traffic here since April - Seems like maybe...

He's dead, Jim...


From dantaylor08 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 21:43:03 2016
From: dantaylor08 at gmail.com (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:43:03 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
In-Reply-To: <577C1A45.2080501@gmail.com>
References: <577C1A45.2080501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB8FEE4A-789E-4610-8D56-67B4090CA134@gmail.com>

Makes me sad in a nostalgic way. Perl was my first language. Got handed learning perl when I was 14, and told I'd be given a job if I learned it. Both happened.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mark Hinds <zoro98020 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There's been no traffic here since April - Seems like maybe...
> 
> He's dead, Jim...
> 
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From fusiondog at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 22:29:51 2016
From: fusiondog at gmail.com (Patrick Feliciano)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:29:51 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
In-Reply-To: <BB8FEE4A-789E-4610-8D56-67B4090CA134@gmail.com>
References: <577C1A45.2080501@gmail.com>
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At OSCON the perl guys were still excited about 6, rperl and cperl.  I
found it was easy to learn other languages after perl.  Since it had so
many ways to do it.  I still write lots of one liners, anything you might
do with sed or awk can be done with perl.  Maybe a revival is right around
the corner.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Daniel Taylor <dantaylor08 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Makes me sad in a nostalgic way. Perl was my first language. Got handed
> learning perl when I was 14, and told I'd be given a job if I learned it.
> Both happened.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mark Hinds <zoro98020 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There's been no traffic here since April - Seems like maybe...
> >
> > He's dead, Jim...
> >
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From pudge at pobox.com  Thu Jul  7 05:00:39 2016
From: pudge at pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 05:00:39 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
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I've never stopped using Perl as my primary language ...

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Patrick Feliciano <fusiondog at gmail.com>
wrote:

> At OSCON the perl guys were still excited about 6, rperl and cperl.  I
> found it was easy to learn other languages after perl.  Since it had so
> many ways to do it.  I still write lots of one liners, anything you might
> do with sed or awk can be done with perl.  Maybe a revival is right around
> the corner.
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Daniel Taylor <dantaylor08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Makes me sad in a nostalgic way. Perl was my first language. Got handed
>> learning perl when I was 14, and told I'd be given a job if I learned it.
>> Both happened.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mark Hinds <zoro98020 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > There's been no traffic here since April - Seems like maybe...
>> >
>> > He's dead, Jim...
>> >
>> > _____________________________________________________________
>> > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List
>> >    POST TO: spug-list at pm.org
>> > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list
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From jd at commandprompt.com  Thu Jul  7 05:52:01 2016
From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua D. Drake)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 05:52:01 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
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On 07/07/2016 05:00 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
> I've never stopped using Perl as my primary language ...
>

Yes but the idea of "revival" assumes lots of new people are using the 
language, which is not true (compared to others growth).

JD


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From zoro98020 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 07:06:22 2016
From: zoro98020 at gmail.com (Mark Hinds)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:06:22 -0700
Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...
Message-ID: <577E61DE.9060502@gmail.com>


OK, it looks like this list isn't quite dead yet... :-)

I've been using perl since sometime back in the 90's.

I ended up using it in an embedded linux system about 10 years ago
to replace a guile based scripting engine - That's one ugly M...

I used mod Event to create a pure event system to handle bunches of
serial IO and timer events. Worked/works great. Perl is a quite
a CPU big, but still compares well with other dynamic languages.

Seems that Python has taken over from Perl these days. I never liked
Python - using indention as fundamental element of syntax is obnoxious - IMHO.

I suppose Perl's goofy syntax make people cringe - I find it a rather
charming idiosyncrasy myself :-)

Question - Perl's anonymous functions seem to operate perfectly well
as closures - they capture the referenced environment properly and
free it when they themselves are no longer referenced. The guile
folks disputed that me those many years ago. Thoughts?







From sthoenna at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 07:57:36 2016
From: sthoenna at gmail.com (Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:57:36 -0400
Subject: SPUG: Perl closures
Message-ID: <CAN7g7HUD2TiphzW=LiwwaVPibQXtN-W=yqXwsyJqJPQfPJnTBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Mark Hinds <zoro98020 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Question - Perl's anonymous functions seem to operate perfectly well
> as closures - they capture the referenced environment properly and
> free it when they themselves are no longer referenced. The guile
> folks disputed that me those many years ago. Thoughts?
>

 Hard to know what to say without knowing what they were arguing.

They don't in fact capture the environment; they capture specific
lexicals.  This makes a difference if a lexical is only used in the closure
in a string eval.
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From kesteb at wsipc.org  Thu Jul  7 07:56:16 2016
From: kesteb at wsipc.org (Kevin Esteb)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:56:16 +0000
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
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I write Perl code every day. It's part of the infrastructure. Nobody gets excited about infrastructure, unless it doesn't work. Perl just works.



-----Original Message-----
From: spug-list [mailto:spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org] On Behalf Of Joshua D. Drake
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 5:52 AM
To: Chris Nandor; Patrick Feliciano
Cc: SPUG Members
Subject: Re: SPUG: Knock Knock

On 07/07/2016 05:00 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
> I've never stopped using Perl as my primary language ...
>

Yes but the idea of "revival" assumes lots of new people are using the language, which is not true (compared to others growth).

JD


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From david.dyck at fluke.com  Thu Jul  7 08:35:13 2016
From: david.dyck at fluke.com (Dyck, David)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:35:13 +0000
Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...
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It's been a while since I read
   http://perldoc.perl.org/perlref.html#Function-Templates

Did you see this note at the bottom:
   CAVEAT: Aliasing does not work correctly with closures. If you try to alias lexical variables from an inner subroutine or eval, the aliasing will only be visible within that inner sub, and will not affect the outer subroutine where the variables are declared. This bizarre behavior is subject to change.

-----Original Message-----
From: spug-list [mailto:spug-list-bounces+david.dyck=fluke.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hinds
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:06 AM
To: SPUG Members <spug-list at pm.org>
Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...


OK, it looks like this list isn't quite dead yet... :-)

I've been using perl since sometime back in the 90's.

I ended up using it in an embedded linux system about 10 years ago
to replace a guile based scripting engine - That's one ugly M...

I used mod Event to create a pure event system to handle bunches of
serial IO and timer events. Worked/works great. Perl is a quite
a CPU big, but still compares well with other dynamic languages.

Seems that Python has taken over from Perl these days. I never liked
Python - using indention as fundamental element of syntax is obnoxious - IMHO.

I suppose Perl's goofy syntax make people cringe - I find it a rather
charming idiosyncrasy myself :-)

Question - Perl's anonymous functions seem to operate perfectly well
as closures - they capture the referenced environment properly and
free it when they themselves are no longer referenced. The guile
folks disputed that me those many years ago. Thoughts?






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From dpommert at zipcon.net  Thu Jul  7 12:52:02 2016
From: dpommert at zipcon.net (Daniel Pommert)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:52:02 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
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I started using Perl around '91 after hearing many raves a year or two earlier from coworkers. I still use it regularly and have written several systems of over 10,000 lines, which would not have been reasonable without OO Perl. We have used Perl at my current team because we felt it was the fastest way to write the code.

I have been chastised from SPUG members and management for using Perl for more than a scripting language.  I agree that there are maddening things about the language that I wish weren't there, particularly involving support of stronger typed variables (better) and named procedure parameters (better). I wish I had access to better debugging tools (suggestions?) and that I would take the time to learn how to use a good Perl IDE (suggestions?)

I plan to port a lot of my applications and libraries to Java, which should be mostly straight forward. This would mainly be so that we could get better staff support, and to have my libraries available to our Web systems that happen to be written on Java. 

So, I think Perl is a good language. Perl 6 is better, but seems to have lost steam. I may have to move to Python or all Java in the future, however.

-- Daniel Pommert 

On July 7, 2016 7:56:16 AM PDT, Kevin Esteb <kesteb at wsipc.org> wrote:
>I write Perl code every day. It's part of the infrastructure. Nobody
>gets excited about infrastructure, unless it doesn't work. Perl just
>works.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spug-list [mailto:spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org] On
>Behalf Of Joshua D. Drake
>Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 5:52 AM
>To: Chris Nandor; Patrick Feliciano
>Cc: SPUG Members
>Subject: Re: SPUG: Knock Knock
>
>On 07/07/2016 05:00 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
>> I've never stopped using Perl as my primary language ...
>>
>
>Yes but the idea of "revival" assumes lots of new people are using the
>language, which is not true (compared to others growth).
>
>JD
>
>
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From zoro98020 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 07:01:35 2016
From: zoro98020 at gmail.com (Mark Hinds)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 07:01:35 -0700
Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...
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Dyck, David wrote:
> It's been a while since I read
>     http://perldoc.perl.org/perlref.html#Function-Templates
>
> Did you see this note at the bottom:
>     CAVEAT: Aliasing does not work correctly with closures. If you try to alias lexical variables from an inner subroutine or eval, the aliasing will only be visible within that inner sub, and will not affect the outer subroutine where the variables are declared. This bizarre behavior is subject to change.

Hi Dave,

Interesting, but I'd never even think use such a construct. Even if I did
want to create a local function it could simply put it into a simple
my variable and all would be well, no?

HandleEvent(SomeEvent, sub {
     my $x = $_[0] + 23;
     my $localFunc = sub { return $x *2 };
     return $localFunc->();
});






> -----Original Message-----
> From: spug-list [mailto:spug-list-bounces+david.dyck=fluke.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hinds
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:06 AM
> To: SPUG Members <spug-list at pm.org>
> Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...
>
>
> OK, it looks like this list isn't quite dead yet... :-)
>
> I've been using perl since sometime back in the 90's.
>
> I ended up using it in an embedded linux system about 10 years ago
> to replace a guile based scripting engine - That's one ugly M...
>
> I used mod Event to create a pure event system to handle bunches of
> serial IO and timer events. Worked/works great. Perl is a quite
> a CPU big, but still compares well with other dynamic languages.
>
> Seems that Python has taken over from Perl these days. I never liked
> Python - using indention as fundamental element of syntax is obnoxious - IMHO.
>
> I suppose Perl's goofy syntax make people cringe - I find it a rather
> charming idiosyncrasy myself :-)
>
> Question - Perl's anonymous functions seem to operate perfectly well
> as closures - they capture the referenced environment properly and
> free it when they themselves are no longer referenced. The guile
> folks disputed that me those many years ago. Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


From cxreg at pobox.com  Fri Jul  8 09:08:21 2016
From: cxreg at pobox.com (Dave Olszewski)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...
In-Reply-To: <577FB23F.9040705@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Mark Hinds wrote:

> Dyck, David wrote:
> > It's been a while since I read
> >     http://perldoc.perl.org/perlref.html#Function-Templates
> > 
> > Did you see this note at the bottom:
> >     CAVEAT: Aliasing does not work correctly with closures. If you try to
> > alias lexical variables from an inner subroutine or eval, the aliasing will
> > only be visible within that inner sub, and will not affect the outer
> > subroutine where the variables are declared. This bizarre behavior is
> > subject to change.
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Interesting, but I'd never even think use such a construct. Even if I did
> want to create a local function it could simply put it into a simple
> my variable and all would be well, no?
> 
> HandleEvent(SomeEvent, sub {
>     my $x = $_[0] + 23;
>     my $localFunc = sub { return $x *2 };
>     return $localFunc->();
> });

I haven't experienced this as it relates to a pretty new feature of Perl
(lvalue references), but it sounds more nuanced

  sub foo {
      my $x = 1;
      my $bar = sub {
          \(my $y) = \($x);
          $y = 3;
      }

      return $bar;
  }

so in that case, the $x in the returned closure would be aliased and
modified by the assignment to $y, but the outer closed-over $x is not
affected.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spug-list [mailto:spug-list-bounces+david.dyck=fluke.com at pm.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Hinds
> > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:06 AM
> > To: SPUG Members <spug-list at pm.org>
> > Subject: SPUG: It gaugtht bettuh...
> > 
> > 
> > OK, it looks like this list isn't quite dead yet... :-)
> > 
> > I've been using perl since sometime back in the 90's.
> > 
> > I ended up using it in an embedded linux system about 10 years ago
> > to replace a guile based scripting engine - That's one ugly M...
> > 
> > I used mod Event to create a pure event system to handle bunches of
> > serial IO and timer events. Worked/works great. Perl is a quite
> > a CPU big, but still compares well with other dynamic languages.
> > 
> > Seems that Python has taken over from Perl these days. I never liked
> > Python - using indention as fundamental element of syntax is obnoxious -
> > IMHO.
> > 
> > I suppose Perl's goofy syntax make people cringe - I find it a rather
> > charming idiosyncrasy myself :-)
> > 
> > Question - Perl's anonymous functions seem to operate perfectly well
> > as closures - they capture the referenced environment properly and
> > free it when they themselves are no longer referenced. The guile
> > folks disputed that me those many years ago. Thoughts?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _____________________________________________________________
> > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List
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> > 
> 
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> 

From daotoad at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 15:57:30 2016
From: daotoad at gmail.com (Mark Swayne)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:57:30 -0700
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There's an interesting YAPC talk about Perl usage that features some data
that calls what you are asserting into question. His data shows a
significant number of new (1-3 years) Perl devs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5Q4iPBNKM

FWIW Perl5 is back in TIOBE's top 10 with a growth rate exceeding that of
all but one of the other to 10 languages.

http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index?page=index

Perl is growing nicely.  It's just not the pre-eminent web language it once
was.  It seems to get mostly used for data munging and automation.




On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd at commandprompt.com>
wrote:

> On 07/07/2016 05:00 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
>
>> I've never stopped using Perl as my primary language ...
>>
>>
> Yes but the idea of "revival" assumes lots of new people are using the
> language, which is not true (compared to others growth).
>
> JD
>
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From rick.croote at philips.com  Mon Jul 11 12:46:42 2016
From: rick.croote at philips.com (Croote, Rick)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:46:42 +0000
Subject: SPUG: Knock Knock
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In my group we still rely on Perl 5 for the glue and automation.  It is running some of the web, most anything automated for running many (lost count) builds a night plus continuous.  We use C# for most any database or GUI application, having abandoned the old PerlTK and not adopting the TCL/TK from Perl way.  Our SW builds are driven by Python, but that is because we use SCons, or most likely that would also be Perl, well it was, under Cons.

We really do not do scripting, we write applications and infrastructure using only OO.

Rick Croote<http://pww.directory.healthcare.philips.com/empl.asp?id=xADOxkTMwADM>
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From: spug-list [mailto:spug-list-bounces+rick.croote=philips.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Mark Swayne
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Joshua D. Drake
Cc: Chris Nandor; SPUG Members
Subject: Re: SPUG: Knock Knock

There's an interesting YAPC talk about Perl usage that features some data that calls what you are asserting into question. His data shows a significant number of new (1-3 years) Perl devs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5Q4iPBNKM
FWIW Perl5 is back in TIOBE's top 10 with a growth rate exceeding that of all but one of the other to 10 languages.

http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index?page=index

Perl is growing nicely.  It's just not the pre-eminent web language it once was.  It seems to get mostly used for data munging and automation.



On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd at commandprompt.com<mailto:jd at commandprompt.com>> wrote:
On 07/07/2016 05:00 AM, Chris Nandor wrote:
I've never stopped using Perl as my primary language ...

Yes but the idea of "revival" assumes lots of new people are using the language, which is not true (compared to others growth).

JD


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