From andrew at sweger.net Fri Jun 8 14:46:28 2012 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? Message-ID: Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and it's been awfully quiet around here?) -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From brian.wisti at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 14:50:00 2012 From: brian.wisti at gmail.com (Brian Wisti) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:50:00 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL > (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? > > (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and > it's been awfully quiet around here?) Seems reasonable. After all, one of the first things I read was that there's `perl` and "Perl," but no such thing as "PERL." Kind Regards, Brian Wisti - a random geek http://coolnamehere.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.mertel at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 14:51:38 2012 From: mark.mertel at yahoo.com (Mark Mertel) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ...it would be better than if they spelled it JAVA ? --- Mark Mertel mark.mertel at yahoo.com >________________________________ > From: Andrew Sweger >To: SPUG Members >Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 2:46 PM >Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? > >Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL >(in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? > >(Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and >it's been awfully quiet around here?) > >-- >Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? things can go wrong at once. > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >? ? POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >? ? MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >? ? 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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Mark Mertel wrote: > ...it would be better than if they spelled it JAVA > > --- > Mark Mertel > mark.mertel at yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Sweger > *To:* SPUG Members > *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2012 2:46 PM > *Subject:* SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? > > Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL > (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? > > (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and > it's been awfully quiet around here?) > > -- > Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > things can go wrong at once. > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seaperldev at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 15:21:07 2012 From: seaperldev at gmail.com (Craig Steffler) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:21:07 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My question would be why is everyone shouting? Sounds like they maybe have an inferiority complex. Maybe they've been around Ruby on Rails too much. They tend to use ROR or maybe that's just recruiters. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Mark Mertel wrote: > ...it would be better than if they spelled it JAVA > > --- > Mark Mertel > mark.mertel at yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Sweger > *To:* SPUG Members > *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2012 2:46 PM > *Subject:* SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? > > Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL > (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? > > (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and > it's been awfully quiet around here?) > > -- > Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > things can go wrong at once. > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -- Craig Steffler 425-433-8482 Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Craig Steffler wrote: > My question would be why is everyone shouting? > Sounds like they maybe have an inferiority complex. > Maybe they've been around Ruby on Rails too much. > They tend to use ROR or maybe that's just recruiters. > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Mark Mertel wrote: > >> ...it would be better than if they spelled it JAVA >> >> --- >> Mark Mertel >> mark.mertel at yahoo.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Andrew Sweger >> *To:* SPUG Members >> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2012 2:46 PM >> *Subject:* SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? >> >> Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL >> (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? >> >> (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and >> it's been awfully quiet around here?) >> >> -- >> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several >> things can go wrong at once. >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> > > > > -- > Craig Steffler > 425-433-8482 > Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP > > - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who > have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - > > -- Craig Steffler 425-433-8482 Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seaperldev at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 15:56:56 2012 From: seaperldev at gmail.com (Craig Steffler) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:56:56 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Consider they look it up on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl Nice if you haven't looked at it in a while. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Craig Steffler wrote: > Look further and see if they have REGEX. > Better yet mess with them and ask what AWK stands for? > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Craig Steffler wrote: > >> My question would be why is everyone shouting? >> Sounds like they maybe have an inferiority complex. >> Maybe they've been around Ruby on Rails too much. >> They tend to use ROR or maybe that's just recruiters. >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Mark Mertel wrote: >> >>> ...it would be better than if they spelled it JAVA >>> >>> --- >>> Mark Mertel >>> mark.mertel at yahoo.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Andrew Sweger >>> *To:* SPUG Members >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2012 2:46 PM >>> *Subject:* SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? >>> >>> Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put >>> PERL >>> (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? >>> >>> (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind >>> and >>> it's been awfully quiet around here?) >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several >>> things can go wrong at once. >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Craig Steffler >> 425-433-8482 >> Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP >> >> - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who >> have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - >> >> > > > -- > Craig Steffler > 425-433-8482 > Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP > > - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who > have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - > > -- Craig Steffler 425-433-8482 Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjac at colliertech.org Fri Jun 8 16:16:15 2012 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:16:15 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> wut. AWK stands for the authors. It's just written awk 'cuz they're on the DL. I mean the dl. On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 15:29 -0700, Craig Steffler wrote: > > > > > Cc: > Andrew Sweger , > SPUG Members > Subject: > Re: SPUG: rejecting PERL > applicants? > Date: > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:29:49 -0700 > > > Look further and see if they have REGEX. > Better yet mess with them and ask what AWK stands for? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: I'm fond of Randal's answer to the question, found here: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=510594 Which is to say, it's perfectly reasonable to use the misuse of PERL as a shibboleth to identify outsiders; if you don't know (or don't *care to know*, which is even worse) enough about the language to know not to render it in all caps because (in the words of perlfaq1), "Perl is not an acronym," you shouldn't expect to pass a Bozo-filter screening for senior Perl developer positions. :D Look at it this way: Would another employer screening people for Java gigs take someone seriously who didn't know the difference between EJB (a technology) and MJB (a brand of mediocre coffee)? ;) Jeff D. Almeida near Seattle, WA On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP < cjac at colliertech.org> wrote: > wut. AWK stands for the authors. It's just written awk 'cuz they're on > the DL. I mean the dl. > > On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 15:29 -0700, Craig Steffler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > Andrew Sweger , > > SPUG Members > > Subject: > > Re: SPUG: rejecting PERL > > applicants? > > Date: > > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:29:49 -0700 > > > > > > Look further and see if they have REGEX. > > Better yet mess with them and ask what AWK stands for? > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alwanza at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 16:53:13 2012 From: alwanza at yahoo.com (Meryll Larkin) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: <1339199593.78903.YahooMailNeo@web65906.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Practical Extraction & Report Language Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister Or maybe PERL is just too important for lower case? Maybe they don't read the same authors that you do, or do read those authors but don't value them in the same order as you do, or they hired someone to write their resume. I've seen job announcements with Perl written as "PERL" - maybe they just want to catch your attention? Why don't you just write back to them and tell them you'll consider their application if the resume has "PERL" in lower case and see if they are willing to be more flexible than you are? 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Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > things can go wrong at once. > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From teldeschi at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 17:11:04 2012 From: teldeschi at gmail.com (KBS KBS) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:11:04 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: I would never hire anyone who knows what shibboleth means (don't worry Jeff I will most likely never get the opportunity to hire you and you just copied shibboleth from the post anyway). I don't get your EJB to MJB analogy to Perl and PERL. I don't think the letters are the same. Are they? Plus what about the caps? Just so no hard feelings are taken I think a BEER is in order. Anyone from the list who can make it to the Issaquah Brewpub before 6 and can spell PERL gets a beer on me. On Friday, June 8, 2012, Jeff Almeida wrote: > I'm fond of Randal's answer to the question, found here: > http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=510594 > > Which is to say, it's perfectly reasonable to use the misuse of PERL as a > shibboleth to identify outsiders; if you don't know (or don't *care to > know*, which is even worse) enough about the language to know not to render > it in all caps because (in the words of perlfaq1), "Perl is not an > acronym," you shouldn't expect to pass a Bozo-filter screening for senior > Perl developer positions. :D > > Look at it this way: Would another employer screening people for Java gigs > take someone seriously who didn't know the difference between EJB (a > technology) and MJB (a brand of mediocre coffee)? ;) > > Jeff D. Almeida > near Seattle, WA > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP < > cjac at colliertech.org >wrote: > >> wut. AWK stands for the authors. It's just written awk 'cuz they're on >> the DL. I mean the dl. >> >> On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 15:29 -0700, Craig Steffler wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Cc: >> > Andrew Sweger > 'andrew at sweger.net');>>, >> > SPUG Members > 'spug-list at pm.org');>> >> > Subject: >> > Re: SPUG: rejecting PERL >> > applicants? >> > Date: >> > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:29:49 -0700 >> > >> > >> > Look further and see if they have REGEX. >> > Better yet mess with them and ask what AWK stands for? >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > 'spug-list at pm.org');> >> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seaperldev at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 17:24:16 2012 From: seaperldev at gmail.com (Craig Steffler) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:24:16 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: OMG, are we nerds or what. Talking 2 hours about the capitalisation of a 4 letter proper noun. We haven't even gotten into modperl, JavaScript, or RegEx. Curious, is there a talk planned for this month? Is anyone interested in Perl Dancer? On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM, KBS KBS wrote: > I would never hire anyone who knows what shibboleth means (don't worry > Jeff I will most likely never get the opportunity to hire you and you just > copied shibboleth from the post anyway). > > I don't get your EJB to MJB analogy to Perl and PERL. I don't think the > letters are the same. Are they? Plus what about the caps? > > Just so no hard feelings are taken I think a BEER is in order. Anyone from > the list who can make it to the Issaquah Brewpub before 6 and can spell > PERL gets a beer on me. > > On Friday, June 8, 2012, Jeff Almeida wrote: > >> I'm fond of Randal's answer to the question, found here: >> http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=510594 >> >> Which is to say, it's perfectly reasonable to use the misuse of PERL as a >> shibboleth to identify outsiders; if you don't know (or don't *care to >> know*, which is even worse) enough about the language to know not to render >> it in all caps because (in the words of perlfaq1), "Perl is not an >> acronym," you shouldn't expect to pass a Bozo-filter screening for senior >> Perl developer positions. :D >> >> Look at it this way: Would another employer screening people for Java >> gigs take someone seriously who didn't know the difference between EJB (a >> technology) and MJB (a brand of mediocre coffee)? ;) >> >> Jeff D. Almeida >> near Seattle, WA >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP < >> cjac at colliertech.org> wrote: >> >>> wut. AWK stands for the authors. It's just written awk 'cuz they're on >>> the DL. I mean the dl. >>> >>> On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 15:29 -0700, Craig Steffler wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Cc: >>> > Andrew Sweger , >>> > SPUG Members >>> > Subject: >>> > Re: SPUG: rejecting PERL >>> > applicants? >>> > Date: >>> > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:29:49 -0700 >>> > >>> > >>> > Look further and see if they have REGEX. >>> > Better yet mess with them and ask what AWK stands for? >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >>> >> >> > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -- Craig Steffler 425-433-8482 Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.d.almeida at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 17:32:06 2012 From: jeff.d.almeida at gmail.com (Jeff Almeida) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:32:06 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: Unless you're already IN Issaquah, is it even physically possible to get there before 6 on a Friday night, ever? :D And yes, I'm eager to see a Dancer talk -- but I'll be in Arkansas on the 19th, assuming that's the meeting date. >.< And the analogy was imperfect, yes... unless you regard them as similarly-subtle distinctions in general. ;) On Jun 8, 2012 5:24 PM, "Craig Steffler" wrote: > OMG, are we nerds or what. Talking 2 hours about the capitalisation of a 4 > letter proper noun. We haven't even gotten into modperl, JavaScript, or > RegEx. > > Curious, is there a talk planned for this month? > Is anyone interested in Perl Dancer? > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM, KBS KBS wrote: > >> I would never hire anyone who knows what shibboleth means (don't worry >> Jeff I will most likely never get the opportunity to hire you and you just >> copied shibboleth from the post anyway). >> >> I don't get your EJB to MJB analogy to Perl and PERL. I don't think the >> letters are the same. Are they? Plus what about the caps? >> >> Just so no hard feelings are taken I think a BEER is in order. Anyone >> from the list who can make it to the Issaquah Brewpub before 6 and can >> spell PERL gets a beer on me. >> >> On Friday, June 8, 2012, Jeff Almeida wrote: >> >>> I'm fond of Randal's answer to the question, found here: >>> http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=510594 >>> >>> Which is to say, it's perfectly reasonable to use the misuse of PERL as >>> a shibboleth to identify outsiders; if you don't know (or don't *care to >>> know*, which is even worse) enough about the language to know not to render >>> it in all caps because (in the words of perlfaq1), "Perl is not an >>> acronym," you shouldn't expect to pass a Bozo-filter screening for senior >>> Perl developer positions. :D >>> >>> Look at it this way: Would another employer screening people for Java >>> gigs take someone seriously who didn't know the difference between EJB (a >>> technology) and MJB (a brand of mediocre coffee)? ;) >>> >>> Jeff D. Almeida >>> near Seattle, WA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP < >>> cjac at colliertech.org> wrote: >>> >>>> wut. AWK stands for the authors. It's just written awk 'cuz they're on >>>> the DL. I mean the dl. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 15:29 -0700, Craig Steffler wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Cc: >>>> > Andrew Sweger , >>>> > SPUG Members >>>> > Subject: >>>> > Re: SPUG: rejecting PERL >>>> > applicants? >>>> > Date: >>>> > Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:29:49 -0700 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Look further and see if they have REGEX. >>>> > Better yet mess with them and ask what AWK stands for? >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________________ >>>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >>>> >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> > > > > -- > Craig Steffler > 425-433-8482 > Sr. Software Engineer - Perl/Ruby on Rails/PHP > > - The Floppy Disk Icon means "save" for a whole generation of people who > have never seen one. -- Scott Hanselman - > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at sweger.net Fri Jun 8 17:47:16 2012 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it pedantic? Would I be overly concerned to insist that my name be spelled Andrew and not ANDREW (assuming lower-case letters are available)? I'm questioning the characterization of this as being pedantic. I don't think it necessarily is to expect names to be spelled correctly. But I did receive (off list) a good argument for why I might not want to filter resumes on the basis of the capitalization of the name of the Perl language. It has to do with statistics and needles in haystacks and irrelevant bias. I'm inclined to just ignore the "PERL" now. On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Robin Darby wrote: > > LOL! > YES, but it's probably a lucky escape for the candidate, if you are that pedantic! :) > > Ty > Robin... > > On 8 Jun 2012, at 15:46, Andrew Sweger wrote: > > > Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL > > (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? > > > > (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and > > it's been awfully quiet around here?) > > > > -- > > Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > > things can go wrong at once. > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From jd at commandprompt.com Fri Jun 8 18:03:43 2012 From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua D. Drake) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:03:43 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: <4FD2A0EF.6080306@commandprompt.com> On 06/08/2012 05:24 PM, Craig Steffler wrote: > OMG, are we nerds or what. Talking 2 hours about the capitalisation of a > 4 letter proper noun. We haven't even gotten into modperl, JavaScript, > or RegEx. The term is, circlejerk. jD -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Support, Training, Professional Services and Development The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ @cmdpromptinc - @postgresconf - 509-416-6579 From cjac at colliertech.org Fri Jun 8 18:20:23 2012 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:20:23 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1339204823.5717.6.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> ITYM p?dantic On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 18:00 -0600, Robin Darby wrote: > LOL! > YES, but it's probably a lucky escape for the candidate, if you are that pedantic! :) > > Ty > Robin... > > On 8 Jun 2012, at 15:46, Andrew Sweger wrote: > > > Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL > > (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? > > > > (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and > > it's been awfully quiet around here?) > > > > -- > > Andrew B. 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Adams-Collier KF7BMP" wrote: > ITYM p?dantic > > On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 18:00 -0600, Robin Darby wrote: >> LOL! >> YES, but it's probably a lucky escape for the candidate, if you are that pedantic! :) >> >> Ty >> Robin... >> >> On 8 Jun 2012, at 15:46, Andrew Sweger wrote: >> >>> Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL >>> (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? >>> >>> (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and >>> it's been awfully quiet around here?) >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several >>> things can go wrong at once. >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From robindarby at mac.com Sat Jun 9 00:15:54 2012 From: robindarby at mac.com (Robin Darby) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:15:54 -0600 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89A4B56C-CE69-4D19-B90A-B1DA3BD77788@mac.com> If ur name were an acronym you'd have a valid point (?). I understand that it's a cultural thing, I wish every developer respected (& loved) 'perl' the way we do! To fill seats, I'm happy to hire any half decent PHP developer who can write an SQL query (I don't even bother asking my UML questions anymore :( TBH, if I had my way, I'd reject anyone who didn't use MooseX::Declare. But I guess things aren't quite so provincial in Seattle? OTT, anyone planning to attend YAPC next week? Ty Robin... On Jun 8, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > Is it pedantic? Would I be overly concerned to insist that my name be > spelled Andrew and not ANDREW (assuming lower-case letters are available)? > I'm questioning the characterization of this as being pedantic. I don't > think it necessarily is to expect names to be spelled correctly. > > But I did receive (off list) a good argument for why I might not want to > filter resumes on the basis of the capitalization of the name of the Perl > language. It has to do with statistics and needles in haystacks and > irrelevant bias. I'm inclined to just ignore the "PERL" now. > > On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Robin Darby wrote: > >> >> LOL! >> YES, but it's probably a lucky escape for the candidate, if you are that pedantic! :) >> >> Ty >> Robin... >> >> On 8 Jun 2012, at 15:46, Andrew Sweger wrote: >> >>> Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL >>> (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? >>> >>> (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and >>> it's been awfully quiet around here?) >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several >>> things can go wrong at once. >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> > > -- > Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > things can go wrong at once. > From cjac at colliertech.org Sat Jun 9 13:31:17 2012 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:31:17 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: <1AF8A060-29C1-4C95-9BB4-BE1D8A58F1F7@mac.com> References: <1339204823.5717.6.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> <1AF8A060-29C1-4C95-9BB4-BE1D8A58F1F7@mac.com> Message-ID: <2EE5A866-F504-474A-8CA5-AD70B60CA243@colliertech.org> I could publish Lingua::Acronese::CJAC But I probably won't. Urban Dictionary all the way, mang. Sent from my PDP-11 On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Robin Darby wrote: > :) > I had to google every string in your mail; is there a cpan module to parse ur output? > > Ty > Robin... > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 7:20 PM, "C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP" wrote: > >> ITYM p?dantic >> >> On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 18:00 -0600, Robin Darby wrote: >>> LOL! >>> YES, but it's probably a lucky escape for the candidate, if you are that pedantic! :) >>> >>> Ty >>> Robin... >>> >>> On 8 Jun 2012, at 15:46, Andrew Sweger wrote: >>> >>>> Am I out of my gourd for refusing to consider job applicants that put PERL >>>> (in all caps) in their resume for a senior position? >>>> >>>> (Am I trolling? Perhaps a little. But the question has been on my mind and >>>> it's been awfully quiet around here?) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several >>>> things can go wrong at once. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________________ >>>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List >>> POST TO: spug-list at pm.org >>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list >>> MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays >>> WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ >> From schuh at farmdale.com Sat Jun 9 13:40:20 2012 From: schuh at farmdale.com (Mike Schuh) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: rejecting PDP-11 users? In-Reply-To: <2EE5A866-F504-474A-8CA5-AD70B60CA243@colliertech.org> References: <1339204823.5717.6.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> <1AF8A060-29C1-4C95-9BB4-BE1D8A58F1F7@mac.com> <2EE5A866-F504-474A-8CA5-AD70B60CA243@colliertech.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2012, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: >Sent from my PDP-11 Love it. Want another one? To have as an emergency backup? -- Mike Schuh, Seattle USA Sent from my desktop keyboard From tim at consultix-inc.com Tue Jun 12 14:22:45 2012 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:22:45 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> Message-ID: <20120612212245.GA31606@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 04:31:32PM -0700, Jeff Almeida wrote: > I'm fond of Randal's answer to the question, found here: > http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=510594 > > Which is to say, it's perfectly reasonable to use the misuse of PERL > as a shibboleth to identify outsiders; if you don't know (or don't > *care to know*, which is even worse) enough about the language to > know not to render it in all caps because (in the words of > perlfaq1), > > "Perl is not an acronym," < Maybe that was true for a fleeting period of time, but IMHO by now "Perl" has has effectively been an acronym for decades. IIRC, the argument for that "Not An Acronym" position has always been that Larry didn't have an expansion for "Perl" in mind when he adopted the name. However, one can certainly argue that Perl is at least officially a "back-ronym" (as in "On second thought, let's agree it means X") because Larry went out of his way to embrace both "Practical Extraction and Reporting Language" and its evil twin "Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister" in no less a work as the Camel! By the way, there certainly are precedents for all-caps short cuts not being acronyms--for example, despite the modern trend of rendering UNIX as Unix, the former representation, standing for nothing in particular associated with those four letters, was the only rendering of that "word" (and later, registered trade mark) that ever appeared in the reams of AT&T/Bell Labs manuals or dozens of marketing promotions connected to UNIX* (I've got a a van-sized pile of AT&T documents going back to the early 1980s to prove this!) -Tim P.S. Some modern authors have creatively supplied back-ronyms for UNIX such as "Unified Networking Interactive Executive", which understandably tend to catch on with the users when they fit this well fit, but none has ever been officially sanctioned by the UNIX powers that be--in contrast to Larry's acceptance of the two expansions for Perl mentioned above. P.P.S. In other news, just because a sequence of letters is capitalized doesn't automatically mean it is supposed to be treated as an acronym, or vice versa (e.g. we use "scuba" not SCUBA). *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher, PhD (206) 781-UNIX http://www.consultix-inc.com | | tim at ( TeachMePerl, TeachMeLinux, or TeachMeUnix ) dot Com | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | ** INSTRUCTOR LED, HANDS-ON, INTERNET BASED, VIRTUAL CLASSES ** | *-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | > "Minimal Perl for UNIX People" has been an Amazon Best Seller! < | | * Download chapters, read reviews, and order at: MinimalPerl.com * | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* From jeff.d.almeida at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 14:36:26 2012 From: jeff.d.almeida at gmail.com (Jeff Almeida) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:36:26 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: <20120612212245.GA31606@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> <20120612212245.GA31606@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> Message-ID: OK, suppose I chose the turn of phrase, "Perl was not originally intended to be an acronym," instead? (Which, incidentally, might make good candidate for inclusion in the next revision of perlfaq1) Because either way, the strength of the shibboleth is really that the community doesn't render it in all-caps, regardless of reason. And for the record, I *prefer* "Pathologically eclectic rubbish lister," because, as anyone who has examined the joyful horror of Selfgol and its many, many unusual cousins will attest, 'Practical' is a matter of debate and 'extraction and reporting' are to Perl's capabilities as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are to the cast of Hamlet. ;) Oh, and yes Tim, after 9 years I finally did succeed in moving up here! Which, if you count from when I was living in Dallas in '03 and first (recently) tried, represents about a centimeter-per-second pace. :D Jeff D. Almeida near Seattle, WA On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Maher wrote: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 04:31:32PM -0700, Jeff Almeida wrote: > > I'm fond of Randal's answer to the question, found here: > > http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=510594 > > > > Which is to say, it's perfectly reasonable to use the misuse of PERL > > as a shibboleth to identify outsiders; if you don't know (or don't > > *care to know*, which is even worse) enough about the language to > > know not to render it in all caps because (in the words of > > perlfaq1), > > > > "Perl is not an acronym," < > > Maybe that was true for a fleeting period of time, but IMHO by now > "Perl" has has effectively been an acronym for decades. > > IIRC, the argument for that "Not An Acronym" position has always been > that Larry didn't have an expansion for "Perl" in mind when he adopted > the name. However, one can certainly argue that Perl is at least > officially a "back-ronym" (as in "On second thought, let's agree it > means X") because Larry went out of his way to embrace both "Practical > Extraction and Reporting Language" and its evil twin "Pathologically > Eclectic Rubbish Lister" in no less a work as the Camel! > > By the way, there certainly are precedents for all-caps short cuts not > being acronyms--for example, despite the modern trend of rendering > UNIX as Unix, the former representation, standing for nothing in > particular associated with those four letters, was the only rendering > of that "word" (and later, registered trade mark) that ever appeared > in the reams of AT&T/Bell Labs manuals or dozens of marketing > promotions connected to UNIX* (I've got a a van-sized pile of AT&T > documents going back to the early 1980s to prove this!) > > -Tim > P.S. Some modern authors have creatively supplied back-ronyms for UNIX > such as "Unified Networking Interactive Executive", which > understandably tend to catch on with the users when they fit > this well fit, but none has ever been officially sanctioned by > the UNIX powers that be--in contrast to Larry's acceptance of the > two expansions for Perl mentioned above. > > P.P.S. In other news, just because a sequence of letters is > capitalized doesn't automatically mean it is supposed to be > treated as an acronym, or vice versa (e.g. we use "scuba" > not SCUBA). > > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* > | Tim Maher, PhD (206) 781-UNIX http://www.consultix-inc.com | > | tim at ( TeachMePerl, TeachMeLinux, or TeachMeUnix ) dot Com | > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* > | ** INSTRUCTOR LED, HANDS-ON, INTERNET BASED, VIRTUAL CLASSES ** | > *-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | > "Minimal Perl for UNIX People" has been an Amazon Best Seller! < | > | * Download chapters, read reviews, and order at: MinimalPerl.com * | > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at consultix-inc.com Tue Jun 12 14:56:31 2012 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:56:31 -0700 Subject: SPUG: rejecting PERL applicants? In-Reply-To: References: <1339192298.9539.YahooMailNeo@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1339197375.5530.93.camel@foxtrot.cjac.ntr.f5net.com> <20120612212245.GA31606@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> Message-ID: <20120612215631.GA11930@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 02:36:26PM -0700, Jeff Almeida wrote: > OK, suppose I chose the turn of phrase, "Perl was not originally > intended to be an acronym," instead? (Which, incidentally, might > make good candidate for inclusion in the next revision of perlfaq1) > Because either way, the strength of the shibboleth is really that > the community doesn't render it in all-caps, regardless of reason. Those adherents to the "secret handshake" model of admitting new JAPHs to the Perl community might find themselves in hot water if an otherwise worthy JAPH were denied a job just for capitalizing "Perl", given the evidence that the language's name has effectively become an acronym. > And for the record, I *prefer* "Pathologically eclectic rubbish > lister," because, as anyone who has examined the joyful horror of > Selfgol and its many, many unusual cousins will attest, 'Practical' > is a matter of debate and 'extraction and reporting' are to Perl's > capabilities as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are to the cast of > Hamlet. ;) An interesting thought! > Oh, and yes Tim, after 9 years I finally did succeed in moving up > here! Which, if you count from when I was living in Dallas in '03 > and first (recently) tried, represents about a centimeter-per-second > pace. :D > > Jeff D. Almeida > near Seattle, WA Glad you finally made it; hope you can stand the weather! 8-} -Tim *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher, PhD (206) 781-UNIX http://www.consultix-inc.com | | tim at ( TeachMePerl, TeachMeLinux, or TeachMeUnix ) dot Com | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | ** INSTRUCTOR LED, HANDS-ON, INTERNET BASED, VIRTUAL CLASSES ** | *-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | > "Minimal Perl for UNIX People" has been an Amazon Best Seller! < | | * Download chapters, read reviews, and order at: MinimalPerl.com * | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* From augustinablair at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 10:50:23 2012 From: augustinablair at gmail.com (Augustina Blair) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:50:23 -0700 Subject: SPUG: SPUG Meeting May 15 2012 - The Good, The Bad, and The SPUGly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unless I hear differently, I haven't gotten any confirmation regarding anyone actually presenting so this will be a social SPUG. Florian Ragwitz (rafl) is in town and will be dropping by to join us for a bit! So come on out for beers and Perls and more beers! If anyone wants to present something, let me know so we can coordinate building access etc and I can update this announcement. > 5p to 9p at the Tap House Grill, drop in anytime! > > I will update the Google Calendar with the deetz. > > Augustina From augustinablair at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 10:51:42 2012 From: augustinablair at gmail.com (Augustina Blair) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:51:42 -0700 Subject: SPUG: CORRECTION: SPUG Meeting June 19 2012 Message-ID: That would be June 19th, not May 15th hehe. Auggy On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Augustina Blair wrote: > Unless I hear differently, I haven't gotten any confirmation regarding > anyone actually presenting so this will be a social SPUG. Florian > Ragwitz (rafl) is in town and will be dropping by to join us for a > bit! So come on out for beers and Perls and more beers! > > If anyone wants to present something, let me know so we can coordinate > building access etc and I can update this announcement. > > >> 5p to 9p at the Tap House Grill, drop in anytime! >> >> I will update the Google Calendar with the deetz. >> >> Augustina From augustinablair at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 16:53:08 2012 From: augustinablair at gmail.com (Augustina Blair) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:53:08 -0700 Subject: SPUG: CORRECTION: SPUG Meeting June 19 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will be heading over to the Tap House around 6pm. If anyone is there early, if you could post to the list where your table is so we don't all end up in separate places again ;) Auggy From baronmog at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 17:47:19 2012 From: baronmog at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Noah_R=C3=B8mer?=) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:47:19 -0700 Subject: SPUG: CORRECTION: SPUG Meeting June 19 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am standing at bar, Josh is briefly present. On Tuesday, June 19, 2012, Augustina Blair wrote: > I will be heading over to the Tap House around 6pm. 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