From andrew at sweger.net Tue Feb 9 21:56:48 2010 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: Reminder February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting Message-ID: I'm sure you have not forgotten and require no reminder thanks to all the technology wired into your prefrontal cortex. Next Tuesday (the day after President's Day) is our next SPUG meeting where David will give us the why and how of DBIx::Class. And maybe, if you're not feverishly preparing for your son's first anniversary of his birth on the following Friday, you'll join us! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew Sweger To: SPUG Members Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:39:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting X-spam-level: * February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting ==================================================== Topic: DBIx::Class, why and how Speaker: David Ihnen Meeting Date: Tuesday, 16 February 2010 Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. Location: Marchex - 520 Pike Street Cost: Admission is free and open to the public Info: http://seattleperl.org/ ==================================================== Tuesday, February 16, is the next meeting of the THE SEATTLE PERL USERS GROUP. This must be some kind of record. It's not even February yet and I'm sending this announcement out. Mark your calendar! This Month's Talk ----------------- - Why and how to use DBIx::Class. - How to set up your classes, either DBIx::Class::Loader, or manual configuration. - Class::C3 basics - Creating plugins for inflate - Creating plugins for triggers - Transactions and assumptions regarding AutoCommit and shared handles - Advanced 'Complex Query' workarounds - Application of Null pattern About David Ihnen ----------------- David Ihnen has over ten years experience with progressively more object-oriented Perl programming. He learned DBIx::Class for the interview questions for a job in Flagstaff, Arizona at a urine analysis lab where he helped build a web-based lab result management system for use by their clients. Now he is back in Seattle at Amazon (for the third time), where he builds test frameworks and untangles the vagaries of complex financial perl scripts. He currently lives in Issaquah with his 15-year partner, Dhugal, and two german shepherd dogs, Akando and Banshee. http://dogpawz.com/photos/Akando/AkandoSkylosBanshee.jpg Pre-Meeting =========== If you are so inclined, please come to the pre-meeting at the nearby Elephant & Castle pub on 5th & Union (see map link below). Come enjoy some friendly conversation and perhaps a favorite beverage (they have a full restaurant too). We can usually be found at the back under the TV near the rear entrance that goes up into the hotel (if you enter through the front doors, just go straight back past the bar). We'll be there from 5:00 pm to 6:19 pm. Meeting Location ================ Marchex 520 Pike Street, Suite 1800 Seattle, WA 98101 The building is just East of Westlake Center. Enter from Pike Street. http://xrl.us/spugmap Due to all of the shopping around us there is plenty of parking available in garages, but it can be hard to find street parking in the evening. There is also a parking garage in the building, but check the rates and closing time (subject to change due to downtown events)! Attendees will need to wait near the elevators in the lobby and a Marchex employee will provide access to the 18th floor where the meeting room is located. If no one shows up to let you in, call (425) 533-2964 to let them know you're in the lobby. See you there! _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From andrew at sweger.net Mon Feb 15 06:56:38 2010 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:56:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting Message-ID: Remember, DBIx::Class at SPUG tomorrow evening. Details below... -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew Sweger To: SPUG Members Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:39:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting X-spam-level: * February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting ==================================================== Topic: DBIx::Class, why and how Speaker: David Ihnen Meeting Date: Tuesday, 16 February 2010 Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. Location: Marchex - 520 Pike Street Cost: Admission is free and open to the public Info: http://seattleperl.org/ ==================================================== Tuesday, February 16, is the next meeting of the THE SEATTLE PERL USERS GROUP. This must be some kind of record. It's not even February yet and I'm sending this announcement out. Mark your calendar! This Month's Talk ----------------- - Why and how to use DBIx::Class. - How to set up your classes, either DBIx::Class::Loader, or manual configuration. - Class::C3 basics - Creating plugins for inflate - Creating plugins for triggers - Transactions and assumptions regarding AutoCommit and shared handles - Advanced 'Complex Query' workarounds - Application of Null pattern About David Ihnen ----------------- David Ihnen has over ten years experience with progressively more object-oriented Perl programming. He learned DBIx::Class for the interview questions for a job in Flagstaff, Arizona at a urine analysis lab where he helped build a web-based lab result management system for use by their clients. Now he is back in Seattle at Amazon (for the third time), where he builds test frameworks and untangles the vagaries of complex financial perl scripts. He currently lives in Issaquah with his 15-year partner, Dhugal, and two german shepherd dogs, Akando and Banshee. http://dogpawz.com/photos/Akando/AkandoSkylosBanshee.jpg Pre-Meeting =========== If you are so inclined, please come to the pre-meeting at the nearby Elephant & Castle pub on 5th & Union (see map link below). Come enjoy some friendly conversation and perhaps a favorite beverage (they have a full restaurant too). We can usually be found at the back under the TV near the rear entrance that goes up into the hotel (if you enter through the front doors, just go straight back past the bar). We'll be there from 5:00 pm to 6:19 pm. Meeting Location ================ Marchex 520 Pike Street, Suite 1800 Seattle, WA 98101 The building is just East of Westlake Center. Enter from Pike Street. http://xrl.us/spugmap Due to all of the shopping around us there is plenty of parking available in garages, but it can be hard to find street parking in the evening. There is also a parking garage in the building, but check the rates and closing time (subject to change due to downtown events)! Attendees will need to wait near the elevators in the lobby and a Marchex employee will provide access to the 18th floor where the meeting room is located. If no one shows up to let you in, call (425) 533-2964 to let them know you're in the lobby. See you there! _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Feb 15 08:35:53 2010 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:35:53 -0800 Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > Remember, DBIx::Class at SPUG tomorrow evening. Details below... Currently using Class::DBI on a current project, I sure would be interested in how folks might compare the two. I don't think that swapping one out for the other is appropriate, but knowing folks' experience with both would help on future projects. I propose that we take some time after the talk, and that talk's formal Q&A to have an open discussion to "Compare and Contrast" or "DBIx::Class -- why this instead of something else". I'm betting that there will be good "tribal knowledge" in the room to tap into. Looking forward to it... > February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting > ==================================================== > > Topic: DBIx::Class, why and how > Speaker: David Ihnen > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 16 February 2010 > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > Location: Marchex - 520 Pike Street > > Cost: Admission is free and open to the public > Info: http://seattleperl.org/ -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From mark.mertel at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 08:55:42 2010 From: mark.mertel at yahoo.com (Mark Mertel) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting In-Reply-To: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> References: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> Message-ID: <260467.57292.qm@web50103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I did some work a couple of years ago with Class::DBI and really enjoyed it. I was able to encapsulate some pretty complex relationships inside the model allowing me to keep the controllers and other scripts pretty clean. --- Mark Mertel mark.mertel at yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Michael R. Wolf To: SPUG Members Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:35:53 AM Subject: Re: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > Remember, DBIx::Class at SPUG tomorrow evening. Details below... Currently using Class::DBI on a current project, I sure would be interested in how folks might compare the two. I don't think that swapping one out for the other is appropriate, but knowing folks' experience with both would help on future projects. I propose that we take some time after the talk, and that talk's formal Q&A to have an open discussion to "Compare and Contrast" or "DBIx::Class -- why this instead of something else". I'm betting that there will be good "tribal knowledge" in the room to tap into. Looking forward to it... > February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting > ==================================================== > > Topic: DBIx::Class, why and how > Speaker: David Ihnen > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 16 February 2010 > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > Location: Marchex - 520 Pike Street > > Cost: Admission is free and open to the public > Info: http://seattleperl.org/ --Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmeyer at helvella.org Mon Feb 15 11:19:17 2010 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:19:17 -0800 Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting In-Reply-To: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> References: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> Message-ID: <20100215191917.GA14644@infula.marketoutsider.com> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:35:53AM -0800, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > >> Remember, DBIx::Class at SPUG tomorrow evening. Details below... > > Currently using Class::DBI on a current project, I sure would be > interested in how folks might compare the two. I don't think that > swapping one out for the other is appropriate, but knowing folks' > experience with both would help on future projects. Class::DBI is old, crufty and un-maintained. There's a compatibility plugin, DBIx::Class::CDBICompat, which will help you transition to DBIx::Class. You'll still suffer some of CDBI's weaknesses, like all the slowdown from lazy loading. If you would like to use a Perl ORM, then DBIx::Class has the biggest and most active community. Rose::DB is another reasonable choice. I believe that it is faster than DBIC. Personally, I waffle back and forth quite a bit on the overall usefulness of ORMs. They make simple things very quick. But has anyone used any ORMs that make the maintain complex queries easy? Writing and maintaining complex queries in DBIC make me want to shoot myself. I find myself desperately wishing for a domain specific language that's handily designed for information retrieval from relational databases. Oh yeah, there's this thing called SQL ... I do like writing a complex query in SQL, and hiding that in a db view. Then I can use DBIC for simple queries against the view, and get some benefits, like paging, for making quick web based db reports. But then try to make a report that rolls columns up together, or anything fancy, and this simple scheme becomes unwieldy. -Colin. From mark.mertel at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 12:38:47 2010 From: mark.mertel at yahoo.com (Mark Mertel) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:38:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100215191917.GA14644@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> <20100215191917.GA14644@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <127535.42363.qm@web50108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I didn't consider the lazy attribute population a weakness - it can come in handy when processing large numbers of records with lots of columns - it helps reduce memory bloat., and besides I'm pretty sure it can be overridden. --- Mark Mertel mark.mertel at yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Colin Meyer To: Michael R. Wolf Cc: SPUG Members Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 11:19:17 AM Subject: Re: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:35:53AM -0800, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > >> Remember, DBIx::Class at SPUG tomorrow evening. Details below... > > Currently using Class::DBI on a current project, I sure would be > interested in how folks might compare the two. I don't think that > swapping one out for the other is appropriate, but knowing folks' > experience with both would help on future projects. Class::DBI is old, crufty and un-maintained. There's a compatibility plugin, DBIx::Class::CDBICompat, which will help you transition to DBIx::Class. You'll still suffer some of CDBI's weaknesses, like all the slowdown from lazy loading. If you would like to use a Perl ORM, then DBIx::Class has the biggest and most active community. Rose::DB is another reasonable choice. I believe that it is faster than DBIC. Personally, I waffle back and forth quite a bit on the overall usefulness of ORMs. They make simple things very quick. But has anyone used any ORMs that make the maintain complex queries easy? Writing and maintaining complex queries in DBIC make me want to shoot myself. I find myself desperately wishing for a domain specific language that's handily designed for information retrieval from relational databases. Oh yeah, there's this thing called SQL ... I do like writing a complex query in SQL, and hiding that in a db view. Then I can use DBIC for simple queries against the view, and get some benefits, like paging, for making quick web based db reports. But then try to make a report that rolls columns up together, or anything fancy, and this simple scheme becomes unwieldy. -Colin. _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Feb 15 12:35:37 2010 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:35:37 -0800 Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100215191917.GA14644@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> <20100215191917.GA14644@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <5BB19096-3BDD-4D37-8118-B2925625177B@att.net> On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Colin Meyer wrote: > Oh yeah, > there's this thing called SQL ... On a similar note, I found that, although it was convenient to have Perl callable "queries" that encapsulated that domain-specific language (that non-Perl language you SQL), the down side was that they *had* to be called from Perl. I couldn't call them from the MySQL command line. That became so annoying during analysis, testing, and debugging that I hacked together a piece of Perl that would allow me to call them from the command line. I felt so proud to have invented something so much like the MySQL command line that could call Perl instead of SQL stored procedures. Perhaps I should post my application as an add-on to Class::DBI and coin a new phrase into the Perl lexicon. I could call these Perl thingies "stored procedures", and I could field my application with the name of mysql. And I could reimplement all the commands of mysql's command-line interface.... Or I could add some kind of overloading to the existing mysql command- line interface that would access the Perl modules, strip out the Perl, and execute the SQL directly. Or.... I could use stored procedures in SQL as they grew up in the DB ecosystem. :-) Summary: Good: Perl callable code with Perl semantics. Great win for simple queries where the whole DBI genuflection is an overkill to retrieve one value. Bad: encapsulated SQL is no longer available to the SQL ecosystem of tools and design processes -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From skylos at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 12:59:14 2010 From: skylos at gmail.com (Skylos) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:59:14 -0800 Subject: SPUG: REMINDER February 2010 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting In-Reply-To: <5BB19096-3BDD-4D37-8118-B2925625177B@att.net> References: <15F7C9FE-E048-43DF-84F0-16F724571FCD@att.net> <20100215191917.GA14644@infula.marketoutsider.com> <5BB19096-3BDD-4D37-8118-B2925625177B@att.net> Message-ID: <3650cdc01002151259y659a6783pf3f2d472338d89a7@mail.gmail.com> Oh, I sure have some things to say about all this, but I just want to encourage ya'll to show up tomorrow night! Whee! David Ihnen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmeyer at helvella.org Thu Feb 18 13:10:07 2010 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:10:07 -0800 Subject: SPUG: spug ftw Message-ID: <20100218211007.GD2118@infula.marketoutsider.com> Last tuesday was the first SPUG meeting that I've been able to attend in some time. There were a bunch of people at the bar for the pre-SPUG meeting, and I was thrilled to count 27 attendees at the main meeting. I'd like to give a huge thanks to Andrew, for organizing the meetings, and to Joshua and David for volunteering to speak at the last two meetings. I understand that we have Tim and Josh lined up for the next couple of meetings, so things are looking good. Also, I'd like to remind folks that we have a little used IRC channel at #spug on irc.perl.org. I and a small handful of other people are regularly connected, so there is tinder for conversation, if someone ever sparks it. -Colin. From tim at consultix-inc.com Thu Feb 18 16:19:33 2010 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:19:33 -0800 Subject: SPUG: March Meeting & Training Discounts for SPUGsters Message-ID: <20100219001933.GA5671@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> Yo SPUGsters, Looking forward to seeing you at the March "12th Anniversary" meeting, for which I've recently been recruited as a speaker! In the meantime, I've attached a list of the classes my company is offering in Seattle over the next few months, which cover UNIX, Linux, and Perl topics. As a special treat for SPUG members, we'll double our usual"EarlyBird Discount" on all our upcoming classes. This means, for example, that you could save nearly $200 on the 3-day Intermediate Perl class that's coming in March! Looking forward to a SPUGtacular meeting next month! -Tim *----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher, PhD (206) 781-UNIX http://www.consultix-inc.com | | tim at ( TeachMePerl, TeachMeLinux, or TeachMeUnix ) dot Com | | CLASSES> Int. Perl: 3/3 Shell Prog. 3/15 UNIX/Linux: 3/18,29 | *-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- | > "Minimal Perl for UNIX People" has been an Amazon Best Seller! < | | * Download chapters, read reviews, and order at: MinimalPerl.com * | *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ============================================================== | Tim Maher, Ph.D. tim(AT)TeachMePerl.com | | SPUG Leader Emeritus spug(AT)TeachMePerl.com | | Seattle Perl Users Group http://www.SeattlePerl.org | | SPUG Wiki Site http://wiki.seattleperl.org | ============================================================== From: Tim Maher, Consultix Re: Updated Schedule of Upcoming Classes As indicated in the schedule below, the "EarlyBird Discount Deadline" for the Shell Programming class is this Friday, so those who wish to save some money on that class should try to pay by then. As always, let us know which classes you're interested in and we'll do our best to put them on our schedule at a time convenient for you! Or call to discuss the possibility of an on-site class at your location. See http://consultix-inc.com/courses for our complete list of courses. Best wishes, -Tim Maher (206) 781-8649 ------------------------------------------------------------- Winter/Spring Training Classes in Seattle from Consultix ------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE DATES Days Discount Deadline Intermediate Perl 3/03-3/05 3 2/05 Shell Programming 3/15-3/17 3 2/19 UNIX/Linux Utilities 3/18-3/19 2 2/19 UNIX/Linux Fundamentals 3/29-4/02 4 3/05 Hashes and Arrays 4/07-4/08 1.5 3/12 Adv. Shell Programming 4/19-4/23 4.5 3/26 Database Prog. with DBI* 4/26-4/28 3 4/02 Perl Programming 5/04-5/06 3 4/09 Perl Modules, plus CGI 5/07 1 4/09 ------------------------------------------------------------- *Taught by Colin Meyer; other classes taught by Tim Maher CONSULTIX ON-LINE RESOURCES General Information: http://www.consultix-inc.com On-Site Training: http://www.consultix-inc.com/on-site.html Course Listings: Perl, http://teachmeperl.com/perllist.html UNIX/Shell, http://teachmeunix.com/unixlist.html Registration and Pricing: http://consultix-inc.com/register.html Instructor Evaluations: http://consultix-inc.com/evals.html Course Evaluations: http://consultix-inc.com/course_evals.html From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Thu Feb 18 17:01:38 2010 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:01:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl Dev, SIP/VoIP, downtown Seattle Message-ID: I wanted to reach out to you and share a new position that we are hiring for and see if you had anyone that would be interested. The requirements are listed below and all my contact info is below. Thanks for your time; I look forward to your response. - required skill-set: OO Perl Developer with some SIP or VoIP experience - contract or permanent position: Contract to hire - for contracts, expected duration and pay range: 3 month or less contract period then to full time, pay is $48hr - for permanent positions, availability of stock options or other incentive plans: N/A - Placement through recruiter, or directly with company? Through recruiter with the chance to convert to Full Time with company - W-2 vs. 1099 status: W2 - any restrictions on 1099 status: Corporation, etc.? No corp to corp - physical location: Downtown Seattle - telecommuting possible? No - company's product or service (e.g., e-commerce, grocery shopping, nuclear weapons, pornography, etc.): Advertising Ryan Luckenbaugh, Lead Technical Recruiter Chameleon Technologies o: 425.827.1173 c: 719.661.2129 f: 425.827.1174 e: ryan at chameleontechinc.com http://www.chameleontechinc.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanluckenbaugh> Follow us on http://www.twitter.com/chameleon_tech We pay referral bonuses up to $1,000. Chameleon Technologies was named one of Washington's Fastest Growing Private Companies by the Puget Sound Business Journal. From jjuran at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 17:20:50 2010 From: jjuran at gmail.com (Joshua Juran) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:20:50 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring Message-ID: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl- coding (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many that remembering them all would be tricky. Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) like to mention that in this thread? Josh From dan at concolor.org Thu Feb 18 17:47:40 2010 From: dan at concolor.org (Dan Sabath) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:47:40 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring In-Reply-To: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> References: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219014740.GC23571@faye.fairehosting.com> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 05:20:50PM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote: > It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl- > coding (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many > that remembering them all would be tricky. > > Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) > like to mention that in this thread? As I mentioned at the meeting, WhitePages is hiring. We currently have these engineering positions open. * Systems Engineer II * Software Engineer, Front End * Software Engineer, Back End * Sr. Software Engineer, Back End * Sr. Software Engineer, Front End * Developer/Analyst, Content and Search * Mobile App / API Developer You can currently see these and more at: http://bit.ly/30h6EG Regards, Dan Sabath Sr. Software Engineer WhitePages dsabath (@t) whitepages From andrew at sweger.net Thu Feb 18 18:27:52 2010 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring In-Reply-To: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, Joshua Juran wrote: > It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl- > coding (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many > that remembering them all would be tricky. > > Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) > like to mention that in this thread? As I mentioned at the meeting, Lucidoc is hiring. We currently have these developer positions open: Software Developer => http://bit.ly/9kMjbt Web Developer => http://bit.ly/b3sw3M -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From skylos at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 21:59:03 2010 From: skylos at gmail.com (Skylos) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:59:03 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring In-Reply-To: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> References: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3650cdc01002182159s62e70c9cxbcc3be46c64babae@mail.gmail.com> Amazon financial systems needs some help with perl and data accounting munging! Pass your resume to me and I'll send it on to the appropriate recruiter. I don't have a formal description. David Ihnen On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Joshua Juran wrote: > It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl-coding > (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many that > remembering them all would be tricky. > > Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) like to > mention that in this thread? > > Josh > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -- "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at sweger.net Fri Feb 19 13:10:20 2010 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives Message-ID: The SPUG mailing list (spug-list) is hosted and (primarily) archived by Perl Mongers using the mailman mail-list manager. The archives are open to the public. The issue of privacy and email addresses in those archives was brought to my attention. When something that looks like an email address appears in an address header or body of a message, the archiving software replaces it so it doesn't look like an email address. So, andrew at sweger.net becomes andrew at sweger.net. Of course, if you look at the archive with *this* message[1], it won't look like anything has changed at all. Any mailto links put over the address point to the mailing list. The complaint is that s/\@/ at / is not a sufficient obfuscation to reduce harvesting of email addresses by spammer. We could have quite a nice debate on this. I said we _could_. I took the matter to the Perl Mongers support folks. Robert Spier says our options are: 1) switch the archives to private - members only 2) someone contributes a patch to mailman to perform better/different obfuscation 3) do nothing I have my opinions on this, but it's not my list (I'm just it's control-freak dictator). What do y'all think? [1] - probably at http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/spug-list/2010-February/008848.html -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From bill at celestial.com Fri Feb 19 13:42:39 2010 From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:42:39 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010, Andrew Sweger wrote: >The SPUG mailing list (spug-list) is hosted and (primarily) archived by >Perl Mongers using the mailman mail-list manager. The archives are open to >the public. The issue of privacy and email addresses in those archives was >brought to my attention. When something that looks like an email address >appears in an address header or body of a message, the archiving software >replaces it so it doesn't look like an email address. So, >andrew at sweger.net becomes andrew at sweger.net. Of course, if you look at >the archive with *this* message[1], it won't look like anything has >changed at all. Any mailto links put over the address point to the mailing >list. The complaint is that s/\@/ at / is not a sufficient obfuscation to >reduce harvesting of email addresses by spammer. We could have quite a >nice debate on this. I said we _could_. > >I took the matter to the Perl Mongers support folks. Robert Spier says our >options are: > >1) switch the archives to private - members only >2) someone contributes a patch to mailman to perform better/different obfuscation >3) do nothing > >I have my opinions on this, but it's not my list (I'm just it's >control-freak dictator). What do y'all think? Do nothing. The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making them private would decrease their value. Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going through Mailman archives. Good spam filters are probably the most effective tool to minimize spam (even though I've been cussing some things with amavisd and spamassassin recently related to keeping perl modules current :-). I've had the same e-mail address for over 20 years now, and it's in the whois records for quite a few domains going back to days when I was too naive to use role addresses for such things. The number of spam messages that get through to my spam folder for review for false positives is quite manageable, miniscule compared to those that get into my completely unfiltered postmaster and security folders where they are great fodder for spamassassin's sa-learn. Bill -- INTERNET: bill at celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 Of all the contrivances devised for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes him with paper money. -- -Daniel Webster From cmeyer at helvella.org Fri Feb 19 13:47:39 2010 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:47:39 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Message-ID: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > > Do nothing. > > The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making > them private would decrease their value. > > Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going > through Mailman archives. +1 -Colin. From cmeyer at helvella.org Fri Feb 19 13:47:39 2010 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:47:39 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Message-ID: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > > Do nothing. > > The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making > them private would decrease their value. > > Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going > through Mailman archives. +1 -Colin. From mybustad at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:47:50 2010 From: mybustad at gmail.com (Matthew Bustad) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:47:50 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <946263f41002191347g6d8aa6dftd8af3d095ccc079b@mail.gmail.com> +2 On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Colin Meyer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: >> >> Do nothing. >> >> The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making >> them private would decrease their value. >> >> Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going >> through Mailman archives. > > +1 > > -Colin. > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > ? ? POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > ? ?MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > ? ?WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From mail.spammagnet at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:49:57 2010 From: mail.spammagnet at gmail.com (BenRifkah Bergsten-Buret) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:49:57 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: +1 -- Ben On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Colin Meyer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > > > > Do nothing. > > > > The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making > > them private would decrease their value. > > > > Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going > > through Mailman archives. > > +1 > > -Colin. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmeyer at helvella.org Fri Feb 19 13:53:54 2010 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:53:54 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring In-Reply-To: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> References: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219215354.GE15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> IMDb.com is hiring software engineers, for primarily Perl programming. Details: bit.ly/c3pWsB -Colin. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 05:20:50PM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote: > It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl-coding > (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many that > remembering them all would be tricky. > > Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) like to > mention that in this thread? > > Josh From mybustad at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:47:50 2010 From: mybustad at gmail.com (Matthew Bustad) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:47:50 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <946263f41002191347g6d8aa6dftd8af3d095ccc079b@mail.gmail.com> +2 On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Colin Meyer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: >> >> Do nothing. >> >> The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making >> them private would decrease their value. >> >> Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going >> through Mailman archives. > > +1 > > -Colin. > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > ? ? POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > ? ?MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > ? ?WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From bill at celestial.com Fri Feb 19 13:42:39 2010 From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:42:39 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010, Andrew Sweger wrote: >The SPUG mailing list (spug-list) is hosted and (primarily) archived by >Perl Mongers using the mailman mail-list manager. The archives are open to >the public. The issue of privacy and email addresses in those archives was >brought to my attention. When something that looks like an email address >appears in an address header or body of a message, the archiving software >replaces it so it doesn't look like an email address. So, >andrew at sweger.net becomes andrew at sweger.net. Of course, if you look at >the archive with *this* message[1], it won't look like anything has >changed at all. Any mailto links put over the address point to the mailing >list. The complaint is that s/\@/ at / is not a sufficient obfuscation to >reduce harvesting of email addresses by spammer. We could have quite a >nice debate on this. I said we _could_. > >I took the matter to the Perl Mongers support folks. Robert Spier says our >options are: > >1) switch the archives to private - members only >2) someone contributes a patch to mailman to perform better/different obfuscation >3) do nothing > >I have my opinions on this, but it's not my list (I'm just it's >control-freak dictator). What do y'all think? Do nothing. The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making them private would decrease their value. Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going through Mailman archives. Good spam filters are probably the most effective tool to minimize spam (even though I've been cussing some things with amavisd and spamassassin recently related to keeping perl modules current :-). I've had the same e-mail address for over 20 years now, and it's in the whois records for quite a few domains going back to days when I was too naive to use role addresses for such things. The number of spam messages that get through to my spam folder for review for false positives is quite manageable, miniscule compared to those that get into my completely unfiltered postmaster and security folders where they are great fodder for spamassassin's sa-learn. Bill -- INTERNET: bill at celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 Of all the contrivances devised for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes him with paper money. -- -Daniel Webster From andrew at sweger.net Fri Feb 19 14:10:17 2010 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: sorry for the double-replies Message-ID: Don't blame Bill for the double-replies to the list. I really need to stop using the members at seattleperl.org alias. Bill replied to my post but used a very reasonable feature of his MUA that picks up the list's address from the headers along with the alias I used in the To: field, thus sending off two messages. Hilarity ensues. Sorry. Maybe we can blame Bill a little bit. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From mail.spammagnet at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:49:57 2010 From: mail.spammagnet at gmail.com (BenRifkah Bergsten-Buret) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:49:57 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: +1 -- Ben On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Colin Meyer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > > > > Do nothing. > > > > The archives may be of general interest to perl folks so making > > them private would decrease their value. > > > > Spammers have easier ways of harvesting addresses than going > > through Mailman archives. > > +1 > > -Colin. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurt.buff at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:52:41 2010 From: kurt.buff at gmail.com (Kurt Buff) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:52:41 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> References: <20100219214239.GB29816@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 13:42, Bill Campbell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010, Andrew Sweger wrote: >>The SPUG mailing list (spug-list) is hosted and (primarily) archived by >>Perl Mongers using the mailman mail-list manager. The archives are open to >>the public. The issue of privacy and email addresses in those archives was >>brought to my attention. When something that looks like an email address >>appears in an address header or body of a message, the archiving software >>replaces it so it doesn't look like an email address. So, >>andrew at sweger.net becomes andrew at sweger.net. Of course, if you look at >>the archive with *this* message[1], it won't look like anything has >>changed at all. Any mailto links put over the address point to the mailing >>list. The complaint is that s/\@/ at / is not a sufficient obfuscation to >>reduce harvesting of email addresses by spammer. We could have quite a >>nice debate on this. I said we _could_. >> >>I took the matter to the Perl Mongers support folks. Robert Spier says our >>options are: >> >>1) switch the archives to private - members only >>2) someone contributes a patch to mailman to perform better/different obfuscation >>3) do nothing >> >>I have my opinions on this, but it's not my list (I'm just it's >>control-freak dictator). What do y'all think? > > Do nothing. Agreed. Kurt From kesteb at wsipc.org Fri Feb 19 14:04:19 2010 From: kesteb at wsipc.org (Kevin Esteb) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:04:19 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring In-Reply-To: <20100219215354.GE15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> References: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> <20100219215354.GE15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <2C4D2F304C57FB4EB05DF8A079E1BD260307C141E5@lan-srv-exch02.wsipc.org> Is anybody looking for after hours part time stuff? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org [mailto:spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org] On Behalf Of Colin Meyer Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:54 PM To: Joshua Juran Cc: SPUG Subject: Re: SPUG: Who's hiring IMDb.com is hiring software engineers, for primarily Perl programming. Details: bit.ly/c3pWsB -Colin. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 05:20:50PM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote: > It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl-coding > (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many that > remembering them all would be tricky. > > Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) like to > mention that in this thread? > > Josh _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Fri Feb 19 14:29:25 2010 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:29:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Amazon Builder Tools Group Message-ID: Builder tools group @Amazon has an opening for 11 reqs when I looked. In general, the backend services are c++, java with perl/mason on the topside. There also a couple of new rails teams being built. They are still in the early stages of forming and which means there is still time to convince them with the merits of catalyst/moose. If anything strikes you, let me know and I can help getting in contact with the right recruiter / hiring manger. #Interesting teams with open headcount. *Build to Release (Polaris) "Our services handle more than 3,500 build requests resulting in 13,000 builds, and 10,000 deployments on a normal day and this keeps on growing. We are working on utilizing the cloud computing technologies in ways that will allow us to completely automate the build and deployment process while we scale our systems to meet future demand. To make this possible we need are looking for talented developers interested in applying the latest technologies to the toughest problems." *Code to Commit (Poseidon) Java, web services, Perl, revision control, continuous deployment *Deploy "We own a system (Apollo) that helps software developers to easily manage the full lifecycle of production software. We tackle the complex aspects of software deployment, including versioning, dependency checking, phased rollout, production deployment, and automated validation testing. Our system is comprised of several components ranging from a front-end UI with command-line tools to a backend web service suite and workflow engine, written primarily in Java, C++, and Perl/Mason. We have a ton of exciting work ahead of us to build a continuous deployment workflow as well as to make it simple to deploy applications to the cloud (EC2). If you're passionate about the hard work of making complex software systems easy to manage, we're looking for you! " *Service Frameworks "Our projects has involved writing a high-performance socket library, new fast protocols, and bytecode generation for faster reflection. We have also implemented QoS systems such as a distributed throttling system, and a new load shedding library to help services when they are overloaded." -jacob ~ jstaggen at amazon.com From jwkrahn at shaw.ca Fri Feb 19 14:32:00 2010 From: jwkrahn at shaw.ca (John W. Krahn) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:32:00 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7F1160.1010604@shaw.ca> Andrew Sweger wrote: > > I have my opinions on this, but it's not my list (I'm just it's > control-freak dictator). What do y'all think? I don't know, you seem like a reasonable guy to me. ;-) (BTW, it's is a contraction for "it is" which doesn't make sense in that [second] sentence!) John -- The programmer is fighting against the two most destructive forces in the universe: entropy and human stupidity. -- Damian Conway From kesteb at wsipc.org Fri Feb 19 14:54:37 2010 From: kesteb at wsipc.org (Kevin Esteb) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:54:37 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Who's hiring In-Reply-To: <2C4D2F304C57FB4EB05DF8A079E1BD260307C141E5@lan-srv-exch02.wsipc.org> References: <955E0EA3-D04A-449F-A28A-0BF006E31BE2@gmail.com> <20100219215354.GE15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> <2C4D2F304C57FB4EB05DF8A079E1BD260307C141E5@lan-srv-exch02.wsipc.org> Message-ID: <2C4D2F304C57FB4EB05DF8A079E1BD260307C141E7@lan-srv-exch02.wsipc.org> Due to a response I received, I guess I should rephrase this. Is any employer looking for after hours, part time stuff. -----Original Message----- From: spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org [mailto:spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Esteb Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:04 PM To: 'Colin Meyer'; Joshua Juran Cc: SPUG Subject: Re: SPUG: Who's hiring Is anybody looking for after hours part time stuff? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org [mailto:spug-list-bounces+kesteb=wsipc.org at pm.org] On Behalf Of Colin Meyer Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:54 PM To: Joshua Juran Cc: SPUG Subject: Re: SPUG: Who's hiring IMDb.com is hiring software engineers, for primarily Perl programming. Details: bit.ly/c3pWsB -Colin. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 05:20:50PM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote: > It was encouraging to hear of some many employers hiring for Perl-coding > (and other) positions. In fact, there were sufficiently many that > remembering them all would be tricky. > > Would those with open positions (who haven't just posted to Jobs) like to > mention that in this thread? > > Josh _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From andrew at sweger.net Fri Feb 19 16:31:50 2010 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:31:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <4B7F1160.1010604@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, John W. Krahn wrote: > (BTW, it's is a contraction for "it is" which doesn't make sense in that > [second] sentence!) So true. Thats what ahppens when I wrote to fast. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From skylos at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 19:00:57 2010 From: skylos at gmail.com (Skylos) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:00:57 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Looking for the email of... Message-ID: <3650cdc01002191900u5acae90bv5401d3a1bba550dd@mail.gmail.com> The nice soft-spoken lady with the colored hair and the ubuntu-stickered netbook who sat in the front row. David Ihnen -- "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? things can go wrong at once. _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List ? ???POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list ? ? MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays ? ? WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjac at colliertech.org Fri Feb 19 21:55:13 2010 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:55:13 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Looking for the email of... In-Reply-To: <3650cdc01002191900u5acae90bv5401d3a1bba550dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3650cdc01002191900u5acae90bv5401d3a1bba550dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266645313.5237.4.camel@calcifer> I've forgotten her name, but I ran into her at the January GSLUG... Anone on the ubuntu-us-wa list remember her name? :) On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 19:00 -0800, Skylos wrote: > The nice soft-spoken lady with the colored hair and the > ubuntu-stickered netbook who sat in the front row. > > David Ihnen > > -- > "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jerry.gay at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 23:00:09 2010 From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:00:09 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Looking for the email of... In-Reply-To: <3650cdc01002191900u5acae90bv5401d3a1bba550dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3650cdc01002191900u5acae90bv5401d3a1bba550dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d9a3f401002192300w74ddfedcy295ad55986714ae8@mail.gmail.com> Her name is meryll larkin and her email is mll at alwanza.com On 2010-02-19, Skylos wrote: > The nice soft-spoken lady with the colored hair and the ubuntu-stickered > netbook who sat in the front row. > > David Ihnen > > -- > "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes > -- Sent from my mobile device From mll at alwanza.com Sat Feb 20 09:20:31 2010 From: mll at alwanza.com (Meryll Larkin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:20:31 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <6FAA0259086A410E98FCEAF5B4B6D88E@silver> Okay, I'm confused. We're Perl programmers - how hard it it to munge the email addresses in the archives? Or were you just waiting for someone to ask this question so you could "volunteer" him/her? I've done it before.... Meryll From mll at alwanza.com Sat Feb 20 09:31:25 2010 From: mll at alwanza.com (Meryll Larkin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:31:25 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives Message-ID: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> My apologies, I guess I should have been more specific. I would prefer my email address not to be in the archives. I would prefer that within my email address, my domain gets swapped out for "bogus.com" or something similar. I am less concerned about spammers than I am about trolls looking for targets. If it can't be done easily because the list is hosted somewhere we don't control, then I'd rather have some (any) precautions taken than none - and if I understand correctly, those steps are already being taken? thanks, Meryll From mll at alwanza.com Sat Feb 20 09:31:25 2010 From: mll at alwanza.com (Meryll Larkin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:31:25 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives Message-ID: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> My apologies, I guess I should have been more specific. I would prefer my email address not to be in the archives. I would prefer that within my email address, my domain gets swapped out for "bogus.com" or something similar. I am less concerned about spammers than I am about trolls looking for targets. If it can't be done easily because the list is hosted somewhere we don't control, then I'd rather have some (any) precautions taken than none - and if I understand correctly, those steps are already being taken? thanks, Meryll From mll at alwanza.com Sat Feb 20 09:20:31 2010 From: mll at alwanza.com (Meryll Larkin) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:20:31 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <20100219214738.GD15106@infula.marketoutsider.com> Message-ID: <6FAA0259086A410E98FCEAF5B4B6D88E@silver> Okay, I'm confused. We're Perl programmers - how hard it it to munge the email addresses in the archives? Or were you just waiting for someone to ask this question so you could "volunteer" him/her? I've done it before.... Meryll From bri at ifokr.org Sat Feb 20 18:01:02 2010 From: bri at ifokr.org (Bri Hatch) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:01:02 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> References: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> Message-ID: <20100221020102.GA18922@ifokr.org> Almost 2010-02-20 09:31 -0800, Meryll Larkin interposed: > I would prefer my email address not to be in the archives. I would prefer > that within my email address, my domain gets swapped out for "bogus.com" or > something similar. (Not directly related to the archive question.) If one wants to use a 'non-existant' domain, use 'example.{com,org,net}'. (Yes, DNS for these domains exist, and they even have a webserver up and running, but the names are reserved for examples in RFC-2606 and should black hole email, etc, quite well.) -- Bri Hatch, Systems and Security Engineer. http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ Preserve wildlife. Pickle a squirrel. Every message PGP signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From bri at ifokr.org Sat Feb 20 18:01:02 2010 From: bri at ifokr.org (Bri Hatch) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:01:02 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> References: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> Message-ID: <20100221020102.GA18922@ifokr.org> Almost 2010-02-20 09:31 -0800, Meryll Larkin interposed: > I would prefer my email address not to be in the archives. I would prefer > that within my email address, my domain gets swapped out for "bogus.com" or > something similar. (Not directly related to the archive question.) If one wants to use a 'non-existant' domain, use 'example.{com,org,net}'. (Yes, DNS for these domains exist, and they even have a webserver up and running, but the names are reserved for examples in RFC-2606 and should black hole email, etc, quite well.) -- Bri Hatch, Systems and Security Engineer. http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ Preserve wildlife. Pickle a squirrel. Every message PGP signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sthoenna at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 21:40:16 2010 From: sthoenna at gmail.com (Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:40:16 -0800 Subject: SPUG: email addresses in the archives In-Reply-To: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> References: <980EF01ADE234755BA4FE658803B85C6@silver> Message-ID: <7ee730351002202140p69f934dcp600c1e9650aab82d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Meryll Larkin wrote: > I would prefer my email address not to be in the archives. ?I would prefer > that within my email address, my domain gets swapped out for "bogus.com" or > something similar. > > I am less concerned about spammers than I am about trolls looking for > targets. ? I'm not sure I get what you mean by trolls. Can you expand on that? > If it can't be done easily because the list is hosted somewhere we don't > control, then I'd rather have some (any) precautions taken than none - and > if I understand correctly, those steps are already being taken? It's hosted by the Perl Foundation; specifically these guys: http://noc.perl.org/ If by "those steps", you mean replacing @ with " at " in both header and body, yes. If you mean something else, no. Last I read up on it, that simple substitution eliminates almost all spam (has this changed, anyone?) but if spam isn't your concern, I'm not sure that helps you.