From haircut at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:20:19 2009
From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:20:19 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Gmane mirror
Message-ID: <9ebd65110910010920o2135d83di158ba29eb8b916b5@mail.gmail.com>

Would folks like help setting up a Gmane mirror of this mailing list?

With Gmane, it would be possible to follow the mailing list in other
ways, like using USENET or RSS clients. I don't receive emails in my
inbox at all for the Gmane newsgroups I follow, but I can fetch new
messages at my leisure and reply to any individual email and my
message will be threaded right along with the best of 'em. Also, it's
gratis.

Here are some other Seattle-based special interest groups using Gmane:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.gslug
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.org.seattle
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.taclug.general

From tll711 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 09:37:27 2009
From: tll711 at yahoo.com (Trevor Leffler)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:37:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: OCLC Mashathon
Message-ID: <950523.92051.qm@web62401.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Passing along news of a day-long programming event on Seattle UW campus in November.  If creative collaboration resulting in structured data mashups sounds appealing, this might be for you...

"[It's] a great introduction to the idea of mashups and to some of
the services OCLC is offering in that area.  Even if they don?t program,
there are usually plenty of attendees who do that there?s interesting stuff to
participate in.  
 
Here?s a pointer to our page on it: http://worldcat.org/devnet/wiki/2009WAMashathon"

And...  "For those who don't know, OCLC is the
heavyweight in the world of library catalogs and data, and has been
instrumental in search and access technology for many years."

Cheers,
--Trevor



      

From cjac at colliertech.org  Thu Oct  1 11:00:31 2009
From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:00:31 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Another UW event
Message-ID: <1254420031.625.7.camel@norseth>

Speaking of events related to UW, there is going to be a "Symposium in
Computational Linguistics" held at the MS campus on 10/09/09.  Details
in forwarded email from the prof!

I figured at least MRW will be interested in the goings-on ;)

Cheers,

C.J.

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From haircut at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:05:40 2009
From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:05:40 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Gmane mirror
In-Reply-To: <4F968394-C88C-4118-B204-5D514F2FD7E8@att.net>
References: <9ebd65110910010920o2135d83di158ba29eb8b916b5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4F968394-C88C-4118-B204-5D514F2FD7E8@att.net>
Message-ID: <9ebd65110910011405u77796bacg34e74ecb6187d680@mail.gmail.com>

(from an off-list reply...)
> I like the idea, but it's not quite up to my A-list.

I should clarify. I'm willing to set it up... it just requires list
owner approval. The Web form takes about 2 minutes to fill out.

From twists at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 11:18:59 2009
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:18:59 -0700
Subject: SPUG: When is a caret just a caret? And what about dollar?
In-Reply-To: <3E1FFC9E-DA66-4018-89A5-A47E020C4F2A@att.net>
References: <3E1FFC9E-DA66-4018-89A5-A47E020C4F2A@att.net>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0910041118q23ab895cu7c6b79abc78f5392@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Michael R. Wolf <MichaelRWolf at att.net> wrote:
> I seem to remember that the meaning of caret in a regex is
> context-sensitive, and it can be an anchor, a complement, or just (with
> apologies to Sigmond) a caret.
>
> My memory is that caret is an anchor iff it's the first character in a regex
> and a complement iff it's the first character in a character class, else
> it's a self-match. ?Ergo, /^^[^^]^/ would match "beginning of line then
> caret then anything-but-a-caret then caret". ?I can't seem to find support
> for this (long-held) belief. ?Have I been wrong for this long?

\^ means the character '^'
^ anywhere outside a character class and without //m on, means "match
the start of the string"
^ with //m means "match the start of the string OR the start of any new line
^ as the first character in a character class inverts it
^ is part of a variable if the variable's name is something like $^W
or ${^WARNING_BITS}

> And while I'm at it, how 'bout dollar?  I thought it was an anchor iff it
> was the last character in the regex, else it introduced a scalar variable
> for interpolation.

\$ means the character '$'
Regexps using ' as the quote are non-interpolating so $ still means
the character '$'
$ interpolates if the name matches:
    * normal names like $foo
    * capture variables like $1 or $314159265
    * names with leading control characters like $^X or ${^WARNING_BITS}
    * punctuation like $$
        * EXCEPT the variables $(, $|, $)
$ that hasn't interpolated matches:
    * at the end of a string or before a \n at the end of a string if
/m wasn't on
    * at all the middle newlines too if /m was on

The idea about what "normal" is changes depending on whether your
source code is ASCII, Unicode, or EBCDIC.

Josh

From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org  Tue Oct 13 17:26:10 2009
From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl Dev, Seattle, WA
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910131658280.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

My name is Monita Nhem with Cobalt. Cobalt is the largest digital
advertising platform provider for automotive industry and is transforming
$8 billion dollars in advertising spending from traditional offline media
to online advertising.  Cobalt is looking for an innovative Perl Developer
to enhance and expand Cobalt's digital marketing platform. As a member of
a small focused team, you have an opportunity to influence and are
expected to innovate creative solutions. This position is a rewarding
opportunity to express your creativity, work with intelligent, innovative
people, and have your work touch millions of consumers.

COBALT GROUP JOB DESCRIPTION

This organization believes that each employee makes a significant
contribution to our success.  That contribution should not be limited by
the assigned responsibilities.  This position description is designed to
outline primary duties, qualifications and job scope, but not limit the
incumbent nor the organization to just the work identified.  It is our
expectation that each employee will offer his/her services where ever and
whenever necessary to ensure the success of our endeavors.

Department : Product Development
Title:       Senior Software Engineer
Reports To:  Director, Product Development

POSITION SUMMARY: 

Location- Seattle, WA
Duration- Permanent, full time
stock options- 5000 shares, but currently a private company.
W2
No telecommuting
 
We will sponsor H1 and will assist with relocation.

Cobalt is the largest digital advertising platform provider for automotive
industry and is transforming $8 Billion dollars in advertising spending from
traditional offline media to online advertising.

Cobalt is looking for innovative Senior Software Engineers to enhance and
expand Cobalt's digital marketing platform. As a member of a small focused
team, you have an opportunity to influence and are expected to innovate
creative solutions. This position is a rewarding opportunity to express your
creativity, work with intelligent, innovative people, and have your work touch
millions of consumers.

PRINCIPAL DUTIES & RESPONSIBILITIES:   

* Create sophisticated, imaginative and efficient back-end solutions for
  a large scale system.
* Develop high-quality code, establishing development standards and
  practice by example.
* Design reusable components by utilizing various standard frameworks.
* Evaluate requirements and initial mock-ups; make technology
  recommendations that support optimal construction, maintenance and
  performance.
* Leverage the latest developments in Internet technologies. 
* Serve as a technical resource and mentor.

REQUIREMENTS: 

* At least 5 - 10 years of hands on Perl experience.
* Passionate and committed with strong sense of ownership and
  craftsmanship.
* Strong communication skills (interpersonal, written, and verbal). 
* Highly proficient with Perl and Java/J2EE/Weblogic/Oracle. 
* Experience with Apache Struts and Spring. 
* Experience in Testing Frameworks like WebTest or Selenium.
* Extensive experience with Object Oriented Programming. 

Cobalt Work Environment: 

The Cobalt work environment is fast-paced, energized, friendly and
professional atmosphere with focus on quality, innovation, and an
ongoing commitment to excellence. Problem solving and thinking outside
of the box is important to our culture. We value talent and
intelligence, group spirit and diversity, creativity.

Interested candidates should email me his/her resume directly, and I
will schedule a time for us to discuss.  If this is not a good fit for
you, who do you know that would be interested?  I really appreciate the
help!

Cobalt is North America's leading provider of automotive marketing
services and has a 14-year history in increasing retailing effectiveness
and profitability for auto dealerships and manufacturers. Cobalt is the
only vendor in the automotive space that provides a comprehensive, fully
integrated suite of applications that give dealers the means to
accelerate at digital marketing - driving better in-market visibility,
leads and sales.

For over 14 years, Cobalt's exclusive mission has been to help
automobile dealers and manufacturers increase their retailing
effectiveness and profits. With a comprehensive set of digital marketing
solutions including rich-media display ads and search, plus a superior
service organization that works in tandem with the technology, the
company continues to excel at that endeavor.

Cobalt has relationships with two-thirds of the world's major automotive
manufacturers. That translates to well over 50% of the automotive
dealerships in the United States, as well as automotive dealers in
Canada and Mexico, entrusting Cobalt with some component of their
digital marketing.

At Cobalt we believe you should demand two to three times the mileage
from your marketing dollar as you do today. With the industry's most
complete digital marketing services, no one else is as knowledgeable, or
committed, to providing your business with the tools and hands-on
assistance needed to create and convert more sales for less money.

Monita Nhem
Sr. Technical Recruiter
t 206.219.8991 |  f 206.374.0230 | e mnhem at cobalt.com
<mailto:htobaben at cobalt.com>   |  cobalt.com <http://www.cobalt.com/> 


From cjac at colliertech.org  Tue Oct 13 17:33:07 2009
From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:33:07 -0700
Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl Dev, Seattle, WA
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910131658280.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910131658280.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <73ac667f0910131733u8ada86an336e86b74be08ae4@mail.gmail.com>

I thought you guys moved to java

Sent from my PDP-11

On Oct 13, 2009 5:27 PM, "SPUG Jobs" <jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org> wrote:

My name is Monita Nhem with Cobalt. Cobalt is the largest digital
advertising platform provider for automotive industry and is transforming
$8 billion dollars in advertising spending from traditional offline media
to online advertising.  Cobalt is looking for an innovative Perl Developer
to enhance and expand Cobalt's digital marketing platform. As a member of
a small focused team, you have an opportunity to influence and are
expected to innovate creative solutions. This position is a rewarding
opportunity to express your creativity, work with intelligent, innovative
people, and have your work touch millions of consumers.

COBALT GROUP JOB DESCRIPTION

This organization believes that each employee makes a significant
contribution to our success.  That contribution should not be limited by
the assigned responsibilities.  This position description is designed to
outline primary duties, qualifications and job scope, but not limit the
incumbent nor the organization to just the work identified.  It is our
expectation that each employee will offer his/her services where ever and
whenever necessary to ensure the success of our endeavors.

Department : Product Development
Title:       Senior Software Engineer
Reports To:  Director, Product Development

POSITION SUMMARY:

Location- Seattle, WA
Duration- Permanent, full time
stock options- 5000 shares, but currently a private company.
W2
No telecommuting

We will sponsor H1 and will assist with relocation.

Cobalt is the largest digital advertising platform provider for automotive
industry and is transforming $8 Billion dollars in advertising spending from
traditional offline media to online advertising.

Cobalt is looking for innovative Senior Software Engineers to enhance and
expand Cobalt's digital marketing platform. As a member of a small focused
team, you have an opportunity to influence and are expected to innovate
creative solutions. This position is a rewarding opportunity to express your
creativity, work with intelligent, innovative people, and have your work
touch
millions of consumers.

PRINCIPAL DUTIES & RESPONSIBILITIES:

* Create sophisticated, imaginative and efficient back-end solutions for
 a large scale system.
* Develop high-quality code, establishing development standards and
 practice by example.
* Design reusable components by utilizing various standard frameworks.
* Evaluate requirements and initial mock-ups; make technology
 recommendations that support optimal construction, maintenance and
 performance.
* Leverage the latest developments in Internet technologies.
* Serve as a technical resource and mentor.

REQUIREMENTS:

* At least 5 - 10 years of hands on Perl experience.
* Passionate and committed with strong sense of ownership and
 craftsmanship.
* Strong communication skills (interpersonal, written, and verbal).
* Highly proficient with Perl and Java/J2EE/Weblogic/Oracle.
* Experience with Apache Struts and Spring.
* Experience in Testing Frameworks like WebTest or Selenium.
* Extensive experience with Object Oriented Programming.

Cobalt Work Environment:

The Cobalt work environment is fast-paced, energized, friendly and
professional atmosphere with focus on quality, innovation, and an
ongoing commitment to excellence. Problem solving and thinking outside
of the box is important to our culture. We value talent and
intelligence, group spirit and diversity, creativity.

Interested candidates should email me his/her resume directly, and I
will schedule a time for us to discuss.  If this is not a good fit for
you, who do you know that would be interested?  I really appreciate the
help!

Cobalt is North America's leading provider of automotive marketing
services and has a 14-year history in increasing retailing effectiveness
and profitability for auto dealerships and manufacturers. Cobalt is the
only vendor in the automotive space that provides a comprehensive, fully
integrated suite of applications that give dealers the means to
accelerate at digital marketing - driving better in-market visibility,
leads and sales.

For over 14 years, Cobalt's exclusive mission has been to help
automobile dealers and manufacturers increase their retailing
effectiveness and profits. With a comprehensive set of digital marketing
solutions including rich-media display ads and search, plus a superior
service organization that works in tandem with the technology, the
company continues to excel at that endeavor.

Cobalt has relationships with two-thirds of the world's major automotive
manufacturers. That translates to well over 50% of the automotive
dealerships in the United States, as well as automotive dealers in
Canada and Mexico, entrusting Cobalt with some component of their
digital marketing.

At Cobalt we believe you should demand two to three times the mileage
from your marketing dollar as you do today. With the industry's most
complete digital marketing services, no one else is as knowledgeable, or
committed, to providing your business with the tools and hands-on
assistance needed to create and convert more sales for less money.

Monita Nhem
Sr. Technical Recruiter
t 206.219.8991 |  f 206.374.0230 | e mnhem at cobalt.com
<mailto:htobaben at cobalt.com>   |  cobalt.com <http://www.cobalt.com/>

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From sthoenna at efn.org  Tue Oct 13 19:50:35 2009
From: sthoenna at efn.org (Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: When is a caret just a caret? And what about dollar?
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0910041118q23ab895cu7c6b79abc78f5392@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3E1FFC9E-DA66-4018-89A5-A47E020C4F2A@att.net>
	<dc5c751d0910041118q23ab895cu7c6b79abc78f5392@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53473.97.113.85.41.1255488635.squirrel@webmail.efn.org>

On Sun, October 4, 2009 11:18 am, Joshua ben Jore wrote:
> \^ means the character '^'

Except when in a ^-delimited regex (and not interpolated), in which case
\^ means what ^ would otherwise have.

> ^ anywhere outside a character class and without //m on, means "match
> the start of the string" ^ with //m means "match the start of the string OR
> the start of any new line ^ as the first character in a character class
> inverts it ^ is part of a variable if the variable's name is something
> like $^W or ${^WARNING_BITS}
>
>
> \$ means the character '$'

Ditto re $-delimited regex.

> Regexps using ' as the quote are non-interpolating so $ still means
> the character '$' $ interpolates if the name matches:
> * normal names like $foo
> * capture variables like $1 or $314159265
> * names with leading control characters like $^X or ${^WARNING_BITS}
> * punctuation like $$
> * EXCEPT the variables $(, $|, $)
> $ that hasn't interpolated matches:
> * at the end of a string or before a \n at the end of a string if
> /m wasn't on
> * at all the middle newlines too if /m was on

You left out $foo[EXPR] and $foo{EXPR}, which may interpolate $foo
or may interpolate a hash or array element, depending on perl's guess.


From michaelrwolf at att.net  Wed Oct 14 07:58:53 2009
From: michaelrwolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:58:53 -0700
Subject: SPUG: When is a caret just a caret? And what about dollar?
In-Reply-To: <53473.97.113.85.41.1255488635.squirrel@webmail.efn.org>
References: <3E1FFC9E-DA66-4018-89A5-A47E020C4F2A@att.net>
	<dc5c751d0910041118q23ab895cu7c6b79abc78f5392@mail.gmail.com>
	<53473.97.113.85.41.1255488635.squirrel@webmail.efn.org>
Message-ID: <C608FDA1-AEDA-4433-9966-39E48AB5A0F7@att.net>


On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:

> You left out $foo[EXPR] and $foo{EXPR}, which may interpolate $foo
> or may interpolate a hash or array element, depending on perl's guess.

Guess?  You mean it's non-deterministic?  Oh, the horror!  :-)

I guess this is a corollary to "Only perl parses Perl".

-- 
Michael R. Wolf
     All mammals learn by playing!
         MichaelRWolf at att.net





From michaelrwolf at att.net  Wed Oct 14 08:12:04 2009
From: michaelrwolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:12:04 -0700
Subject: SPUG: OT: non-email contact for Yitzchak
References: <20091014145904.C4D3B17006F@samwise.efn.org>
Message-ID: <468C0215-7ADC-4274-A4F1-61D6D34DB3B6@att.net>

Can someone let Yitzchak know about this email problem over non-email  
channels?


Begin forwarded message:

> From: MAILER-DAEMON at efn.org (Mail Delivery System)
> Date: October 14, 2009 7:59:04 AM PDT
> To: michaelrwolf at att.net
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
>
> This is the mail system at host samwise.efn.org.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>                   The mail system
>
> <sthoenna at efn.org>: permission denied. Command output: maildrop:  
> maildir over
>    quota.
> Reporting-MTA: dns; samwise.efn.org
> X-Postfix-Queue-ID: BD37D170074
> X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; michaelrwolf at att.net
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; sthoenna at efn.org
> Original-Recipient: rfc822;sthoenna at efn.org
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.7.0
> Diagnostic-Code: x-unix; maildrop: maildir over quota.
>
> From: "Michael R. Wolf" <michaelrwolf at att.net>
> Date: October 14, 2009 7:58:53 AM PDT
> To: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes <sthoenna at efn.org>, "Spug-List at Pm.Org" <spug-list at pm.org 
> >
> Subject: Re: SPUG: When is a caret just a caret? And what about  
> dollar?
>
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>
>> You left out $foo[EXPR] and $foo{EXPR}, which may interpolate $foo
>> or may interpolate a hash or array element, depending on perl's  
>> guess.
>
> Guess?  You mean it's non-deterministic?  Oh, the horror!  :-)
>
> I guess this is a corollary to "Only perl parses Perl".
>
> -- 
> Michael R. Wolf
>    All mammals learn by playing!
>        MichaelRWolf at att.net
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Michael R. Wolf
     All mammals learn by playing!
         MichaelRWolf at att.net




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From andrew at sweger.net  Wed Oct 14 12:29:57 2009
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: SPUG-list now mirrored to Gmane
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910141229080.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Looks like the SPUG-list is now being mirrored to Gmane for those wishing
to follow the list via RSS, etc.

http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From andrew at sweger.net  Wed Oct 14 12:30:34 2009
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: SPUG-list now mirrored to Gmane
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910141229080.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910141230090.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Oops! I forgot to mention: Thanks to Adam Monsen for setting this up!

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Andrew Sweger wrote:

> Looks like the SPUG-list is now being mirrored to Gmane for those wishing
> to follow the list via RSS, etc.
> 
> http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers
> 
> 

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.



From tyemq at cpan.org  Wed Oct 14 14:08:23 2009
From: tyemq at cpan.org (Tye McQueen)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:08:23 -0700
Subject: SPUG: OT: non-email contact for Yitzchak
In-Reply-To: <468C0215-7ADC-4274-A4F1-61D6D34DB3B6@att.net>
References: <20091014145904.C4D3B17006F@samwise.efn.org>
	<468C0215-7ADC-4274-A4F1-61D6D34DB3B6@att.net>
Message-ID: <f57370570910141408k754013c2v3bc7e3230d936fea@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Michael R. Wolf <michaelrwolf at att.net>wrote:

> Can someone let Yitzchak know about this email problem over non-email
> channels?
>

He is aware (I mentioned replying and he said "my inbox is full anyway").

Tye
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From tyemq at cpan.org  Wed Oct 14 19:46:02 2009
From: tyemq at cpan.org (Tye McQueen)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:46:02 -0700
Subject: SPUG: When is a caret just a caret? And what about dollar?
In-Reply-To: <f57370570910132024s1ae4a0d5qf5deb9ef75d8ce1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3E1FFC9E-DA66-4018-89A5-A47E020C4F2A@att.net>
	<dc5c751d0910041118q23ab895cu7c6b79abc78f5392@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f57370570910132024s1ae4a0d5qf5deb9ef75d8ce1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f57370570910141946q4a0866ect524a04b04e46ebe4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
<sthoenna at efn.org>wrote:

>
> Except when in a ^-delimited regex (and not interpolated), in which case
> \^ means what ^ would otherwise have.
>
> Ditto re $-delimited regex.
>

But it would be better if \^ meant \^ (literal '^') when inside m^...^ for
the sake of making m[...] reasonable.  (Did this change?  I recall first
contemplating this due to someone advocating m[...].)

> * punctuation like $$
> > * EXCEPT the variables $(, $|, $)
> > $ that hasn't interpolated matches:
>

It is quite unfortunate that $] is not also an exception, at least when
inside a character class.  That is probably my least favorite feature of the
DWIM here.

You left out $foo[EXPR] and $foo{EXPR}, which may interpolate $foo
> or may interpolate a hash or array element, depending on perl's guess.
>

If you want to know a bit about what "guess" means there, just read the
code.

But I'm curious of ways to force Perl's hand in either direction.  I'm also
intentionally not looking at the code myself at the moment trying to answer
my own question for reasons that I will leave unstated.  $temp= $foo[EXPR]
beforehand, of course.  $foo(?:)[EXPR].  ${foo[EXPR]}, likely. But I suspect
${foo}[EXPR] is still a DWIM case.

Oh, if you want to find the code in question, I can point the "weigh":

http://perl5.git.perl.org/perl.git?a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=%5Cbweigh%5Cb&sr=1

Tye
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From seasprocket at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 14:54:08 2009
From: seasprocket at gmail.com (seasprocket at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:54:08 -0700
Subject: SPUG: SPUG-list now mirrored to Gmane
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910141229080.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910141229080.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <3d8716b10910201454h3d9b73eet2ea1e95d2f2aa6d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew and Adam! Fyi, I just subscribed via google reader and the
messages that show up in the reader have no body. Also, the "topics" options
give 404s. Not that I'm complaining ...

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Andrew Sweger <andrew at sweger.net> wrote:

> Looks like the SPUG-list is now being mirrored to Gmane for those wishing
> to follow the list via RSS, etc.
>
> http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers
>
> --
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>                                things can go wrong at once.
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From haircut at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 10:11:52 2009
From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:11:52 -0700
Subject: SPUG: SPUG-list now mirrored to Gmane
In-Reply-To: <3d8716b10910201454h3d9b73eet2ea1e95d2f2aa6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910141229080.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
	<3d8716b10910201454h3d9b73eet2ea1e95d2f2aa6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1256145112.5674.56.camel@localhost>

> Thanks Andrew and Adam!

'welcome!

> Fyi, I just subscribed via google reader and the messages that show up
> in the reader have no body. Also, the "topics" options give 404s.

I concur.

Phil, you might try contacting the Gmane staff for support. They get
around to every request eventually (which is quite nice for a free
service!). See: http://gmane.org/contact.php
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From patricks at infogroupnw.com  Wed Oct 21 14:16:32 2009
From: patricks at infogroupnw.com (Patrick Schmeckpeper)
Date: 21 Oct 2009 17:16:32 -0400
Subject: SPUG: Job posting: Perl/OO Developer in Seattle
Message-ID: <1845750758.1256159792290.JavaMail.cfservice@webserver60>


Hi Everyone,

Looking for an outstanding Developer with Perl and strong OO Design/development skills for a 6+ month contract role. Seattle area for major retail client. Please find the job description below and anyone interested can send a resume to; patricks at infogroupnw.com 

 

Thanks!

 


Software Dev Engineer II 

Seattle
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6 months 


 

 


Job Description:        


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Patrick Schmeckpeper


Recruiting Manager | Infogroup Northwest
 | 503-841-9582- Cell | 503-598-3184- Desk | email: patricks at infogroupnw.com
 | LinkedIn Profile




 


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From jd at commandprompt.com  Wed Oct 21 14:30:08 2009
From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua D. Drake)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:30:08 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Speaking
Message-ID: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>

Hello,

Would you guys be interested in a "10 steps to optimizing PostgreSQL"
talk?
-- 
PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor
Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564
Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
If the world pushes look it in the eye and GRR. Then push back harder. - Salamander


From cjac at colliertech.org  Wed Oct 21 17:07:31 2009
From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:07:31 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Speaking
In-Reply-To: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
References: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
Message-ID: <1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>

Can you spin it to be about Perl? :)

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 14:30 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Would you guys be interested in a "10 steps to optimizing PostgreSQL"
> talk?

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From jd at commandprompt.com  Wed Oct 21 17:29:11 2009
From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua D. Drake)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:29:11 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Speaking
In-Reply-To: <1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>
References: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
	<1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>
Message-ID: <1256171351.22342.51.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 17:07 -0700, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote:
> Can you spin it to be about Perl? :)

Well yes and no. Perl is one of the most widely used languages with Pg.
Especially with things like Catalyst.

Joshua D. Drake


> 
> On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 14:30 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Would you guys be interested in a "10 steps to optimizing PostgreSQL"
> > talk?
> 
-- 
PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor
Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564
Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
If the world pushes look it in the eye and GRR. Then push back harder. - Salamander


From rise at knavery.net  Wed Oct 21 18:35:58 2009
From: rise at knavery.net (Kate)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: Speaking
In-Reply-To: <1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>
References: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
	<1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>
Message-ID: <20091021.183558.71130498.kate@knavery.net>

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 "C.J. Adams-Collier" wrote: 

> Can you spin it to be about Perl? :)

PostgreSQL optimization is always good to me, but I can see the point.
A bit on mixing in PL/Perl would absolutely rock, or perhaps something
optimization with the Perl/PostgreSQL interfaces.  We ran into a few
issues with prepared statements skipping indexes depending on using
fetchrow_hashref() versus fetchrow_array(), say, though that was with
an older PG version*.

* A testimony to PostgreSQL - it's running 8.1.4 and the master DB
  process had a three year uptime before a storage array lost power.

-- 
Kate Lynde                        ~~//~~                     kate at knavery.net

From jd at commandprompt.com  Thu Oct 22 08:24:52 2009
From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua D. Drake)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:24:52 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Speaking
In-Reply-To: <20091021.183558.71130498.kate@knavery.net>
References: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
	<1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>
	<20091021.183558.71130498.kate@knavery.net>
Message-ID: <1256225092.4956.6.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 18:35 -0700, Kate wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 "C.J. Adams-Collier" wrote: 
> 
> > Can you spin it to be about Perl? :)
> 
> PostgreSQL optimization is always good to me, but I can see the point.
> A bit on mixing in PL/Perl would absolutely rock, or perhaps something
> optimization with the Perl/PostgreSQL interfaces.  We ran into a few
> issues with prepared statements skipping indexes depending on using
> fetchrow_hashref() versus fetchrow_array(), say, though that was with
> an older PG version*.

Just so people are clear :). My idea on this is:

I am a Perl developer
I am not a DBA
What are the 10 things to change in the postgresql.conf that can make
postgresql go zip and what should I change them to?

I can also do other talks like general best practices, but that is
really a different talk as the above is an easy hour.

Joshua D. Drake


> 
> * A testimony to PostgreSQL - it's running 8.1.4 and the master DB
>   process had a three year uptime before a storage array lost power.
> 
-- 
PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor
Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564
Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
If the world pushes look it in the eye and GRR. Then push back harder. - Salamander


From andrew at sweger.net  Thu Oct 22 09:25:38 2009
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:25:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: Which editor(s) or IDE(s) are you using for Perl development?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910220924250.14629-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Gabor Szabo has a poll up to collect information about editors and IDEs
that are popular amongst Perl developers:

http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/2150554/

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From ryanc at greengrey.org  Thu Oct 22 14:18:17 2009
From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:18:17 -0700
Subject: SPUG: Speaking
In-Reply-To: <1256225092.4956.6.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
References: <1256160608.22342.37.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
	<1256170051.4448.1.camel@norseth>
	<20091021.183558.71130498.kate@knavery.net>
	<1256225092.4956.6.camel@jd-desktop.unknown.charter.com>
Message-ID: <20091022211817.GA6526@greengrey.org>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:24:52AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
| Just so people are clear :). My idea on this is:
| 
| I am a Perl developer
| I am not a DBA
| What are the 10 things to change in the postgresql.conf that can make
| postgresql go zip and what should I change them to?

Well personally, even if with it not being a specifically Perl talk, I
would find this highly interesting.  Mix some Perl things in and I think
you are set :)


-- 
Ryan Corder                  ||     () ASCII ribbon campaign
<ryanc at greengrey.org>     ||     /\  against HTML email
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From Josh.Worthey at thenewstribune.com  Fri Oct 30 12:27:22 2009
From: Josh.Worthey at thenewstribune.com (Worthey, Josh - Tacoma)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:27:22 -0700
Subject: SPUG: O'Reilly User Group
Message-ID: <3B81C2C962A2A04AB3086E8CEEA5124604578538@TACMAIL.tacoma.local>

Good afternoon,

 

I was wondering, is SPUG part of the O'Reilly User Group program?

It looks like they provide decent discounts to members.

 

Thanks,

Josh W.

 

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From andrew at sweger.net  Fri Oct 30 20:08:25 2009
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:08:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPUG: O'Reilly User Group
In-Reply-To: <3B81C2C962A2A04AB3086E8CEEA5124604578538@TACMAIL.tacoma.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910302003360.3158-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Worthey, Josh - Tacoma wrote:

> I was wondering, is SPUG part of the O'Reilly User Group program?
> 
> It looks like they provide decent discounts to members.

Yes, I guess we are. It's not an exclusive club really. Are you looking
for a discount code or something? If so, I can do some digging (but I'm
also under a lot of time pressure with work, so if anyone else knows the
"secret", speak up!).

They will actually ship us books for "free" if we ask for them, especially
if there's a good chance the recipient posts reviews.

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From cjac at colliertech.org  Fri Oct 30 21:07:27 2009
From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:07:27 -0700
Subject: SPUG: O'Reilly User Group
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910302003360.3158-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0910302003360.3158-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <1256962047.17836.1.camel@norseth>

Hey Brady?  Can you help us with this?

On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 20:08 -0700, Andrew Sweger wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Worthey, Josh - Tacoma wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering, is SPUG part of the O'Reilly User Group program?
> > 
> > It looks like they provide decent discounts to members.
> 
> Yes, I guess we are. It's not an exclusive club really. Are you looking
> for a discount code or something? If so, I can do some digging (but I'm
> also under a lot of time pressure with work, so if anyone else knows the
> "secret", speak up!).
> 
> They will actually ship us books for "free" if we ask for them, especially
> if there's a good chance the recipient posts reviews.
> 

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