From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Jan 7 16:13:06 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:13:06 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Google is hiring Perl folks? - request for introduction In-Reply-To: References: <001101c849ee$e7b593e0$650010ac@mlaptop> Message-ID: <016c01c8518b$3f002fe0$650010ac@mlaptop> That was it. Thanks. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Sweger [mailto:andrew at sweger.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:56 PM > To: Michael R. Wolf > Cc: spug-list at pm.org > Subject: Re: SPUG: Google is hiring Perl folks? - request for introduction > > See http://log.perl.org/ > > The spug-list runs via the pm.org infrastructure. Messages were possibly > delayed due to upgrades. I didn't look at the headers in detail to see if > they matched up with Ask and Robert's work, but it seems likely. > > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > > > Anyone have any ideas on why it took over 40 hours to propogate? > > > > > > -- > Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > things can go wrong at once. From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Jan 7 16:31:11 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:31:11 -0800 Subject: SPUG: It's in the pod, really. Re: JOB:... In-Reply-To: <200712291110.59016.m3047@inwa.net> References: <200712291110.59016.m3047@inwa.net> Message-ID: <016d01c8518d$c617db70$650010ac@mlaptop> > Do we need a talk on what it takes to be a licensed business in the State > of Washington, and how to look up whether your customers or vendors are > properly licensed (most of that is on-line these days and doesn't cost > anything and takes just minutes with a web browser)? I love that you're looking out for the state of the business within the State!!! Go gadfly. It's not entirely about the code, is it? As Open Source advocates, one of our community's shared values is the relationships between every *corpus* in the system, be they birthed _corporeal_ humans or registered _corporate_ businesses. Your offer to share WA State business insights sounds like an Open Source (and SPUG) issue to me, but not enough to fill a meeting. Perhaps it could be a slot in a multi-slot meeting. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Tue Jan 8 18:09:23 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:09:23 -0800 Subject: SPUG: OT - Interesting QA meeting on problem solving Message-ID: <000501c85264$a94d1eb0$650010ac@mlaptop> The WSA QA SIG (sponored by Quardev) is having a meeting this Wednesday on problem solving. It looks interesting. (See http://www.quardev.com/events/january_qasig_meeting). At our January meeting we welcome John Medina PhD, Director, Brain Center for Applied Learning, Seattle Pacific University. Dr. Medina's talk, titled The Strange World of Problem Solving, discusses what scientists have learned about the brain and some of the things to try to bring learning environments into 21st century. The speaker sounds interesting (see video clips), and he's got a book coming out soon, that integrates a CD, the web, and the book. His (multi-)media is his message, or at least his multi-media publishing model is supported by his research as he conveys his message. http://brainrules.net/ I wish I could attend. Please report back if you go. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Wed Jan 9 01:46:15 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:46:15 -0800 Subject: SPUG: online book "Producing Open Source Software" by Karl Fogel Message-ID: <001d01c852a4$7ac7fca0$650010ac@mlaptop> It's a big Internet out there. Although it's been there for a few years, I just found a great reference for project management. Karl Fogel, who worked for many years on SVN, wrote "Producing Open Source Software". It's available online at http://producingoss.com/en/index.html It is very well written. Bookmark it for future reference. It's a gem!!! Karl gave talks at the Bellingham LinuxFest and OSCON last year, both of which were well presented and well received. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From haircut at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 07:39:28 2008 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:39:28 -0800 Subject: SPUG: online book "Producing Open Source Software" by Karl Fogel In-Reply-To: <001d01c852a4$7ac7fca0$650010ac@mlaptop> References: <001d01c852a4$7ac7fca0$650010ac@mlaptop> Message-ID: <9ebd65110801090739w2412a766s74c07c1e592d417d@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 9, 2008 1:46 AM, Michael R. Wolf wrote: [...] > Karl Fogel, who worked for many years on SVN, wrote > "Producing Open Source Software". > > It's available online at http://producingoss.com/en/index.html > > It is very well written. Bookmark it for future reference. It's a gem!!! > [...] I second that; this book is fantastic. At least, the chapter I read on copyrights, licenses, and the logistics of same. -- Adam Monsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/spug-list/attachments/20080109/eea7c2fc/attachment.html From cmeyer at helvella.org Wed Jan 9 08:30:20 2008 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:30:20 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 Message-ID: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> January 2008 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting ==================================================== Topic: Perl Frameworks Speaker: Various Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. Location: Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps Cost: Admission is free and open to the public Info: http://seattleperl.org/ ==================================================== This coming Tuesday, January 15th, is the next meeting of the THE SEATTLE PERL USERS GROUP. This month we will have a number of SPUG regulars presenting short talks on various Perl based frameworks. We are taking a loose interpretation of "frameworks", and the talks will vary from OO systems to RDBMS-OO interfaces to Web Application frameworks. Here's the schedule: 1. CGI::Application => Andy Sweger 2. HTML::Template => Stephen Blum 3. Template Toolkit => Ingy 4. Mason => Gryphon Shafer 5. DBIx::Class => Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes 6. Catalyst => Colin Meyer 7. Squeak => Josh Jore 8. Moose => Jerry Gay This will be a great opportunity to get an introduction to these various frameworks and learn about the pleasures and/or pains of using them. ================ Thanks again to all the SPUG members that show up at meetings or participate on the list to make the group worthwhile in the first place, and all the JAPHs out there for just being. Meeting Location ================ January's meeting space is provided by Bryan Lhuillier of shiftboard.com. Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps: - The Harbor Steps is located at 1st & University Ave in Seattle. - Parking available on the street or in Western Ave lots. - The Terrace Room is located on the 6th Floor of the S.W. Building. - Enter the SW Building directly at 1200 Western Ave or use the Main Entrance (SE Building) located on 1st Avenue (next to Ipanema Grill) across from SAM. - We will post signs and/or people at both entrances, and you can also ask the concierge (or anybody else) for spot directions to the Terrace Room. - If you get lost, you can call Bryan's mobile phone - 206 427 6436 See you there! From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Wed Jan 9 18:54:19 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:54:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl Dev, Strong OO skills, Bellevue Message-ID: The full desired skill-set and responsibilities are outlined below. This is a permanent, W-2 position with a privately held company, allowing for salary, benefits, and a 401K. Position is on-site, in Bellevue, WA. G2's primary business is internet compliance monitoring. Perl Software Developer We are seeking an experienced Perl Developer to collaborate with business and technical staff to design, develop and maintain G2's applications and internal systems. Who are we? G2 Web Services is a fast growing leader in Internet Compliance monitoring, located in Bellevue, WA. We're profitable, not bound by venture capitalists, and actively extending existing infrastructure. G2 believes that happy employees create better products, so we work with you on tools you need, provide snacks and drinks for free, and give you a choice of OS X, Windows, or Linux on your desktop before you come to work. You would assist our extraordinary development team in creating and extending cool technologies scouring data all over the Internet and attempting to make sense of it. The ideal person knows how to work by themselves as well as with others, and works well in a fast-paced environment. You should know how to build modules in Perl, have experience in object oriented programming, and be able to talk about it as a human being, not as a textbook. Your responsibilities include: - Implementing scalable, robust, parallel systems interacting with very large data sets - Working on new ways to parse, mine, and otherwise deal with completely unstructured data - Optimizing, profiling and debugging existing software to make it stronger, better, and faster - Writing, optimizing and maintaining fast, intelligent interfaces between distributed components and systems over multiple locations Skills you must have: - A very strong foundation in Object Oriented Perl and object oriented methodologies - Experience and some ability in other object oriented languages, such as C++, Ruby, Python, PHP, or Java - Familiarity and extensive use of CPAN modules -- Especially if you've ever contributed - Experience and familiarity with MySQL or PostgreSQL - Proven problem solving and analytical ability What we'd like to see: - Experience with concurrent computing, using multithreading or other types of parallel processing - Work in start-up like environments, and/or commercial software development - Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or equivalent experience preferred - Understanding, and preferably experience with, socket programming or web protocols with Perl If you feel like this job description is general in spots, you're right, it is. G2 has a number of sensitive clients, many projects on the go, and we can't give it all away here. If you're the kind of developer who loves tackling hard problems and dealing with complex systems: we've got them. As a progressive employer, we offer a competitive salary based on your experience and fit, with a complete benefits package as well as growth opportunities in a flexible work environment. If you're interested, forward a cover letter, resume, and code examples if you have them to jobs at g2llc.com. From jack at foys.net Wed Jan 9 22:42:19 2008 From: jack at foys.net (Jack Foy) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:42:19 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> References: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> Message-ID: <20080110064219.GR7553@foys.net> Colin Meyer wrote: > Topic: Perl Frameworks > Speaker: Various > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it somewhere? I'd love to see these presentations, but I can't make Tuesday evening. -- Jack Foy From dblanchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 07:29:59 2008 From: dblanchard at gmail.com (Duane Blanchard) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:29:59 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080110064219.GR7553@foys.net> References: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> <20080110064219.GR7553@foys.net> Message-ID: I'd really appreciate this as well. Duane On Jan 9, 2008 10:42 PM, Jack Foy wrote: > Colin Meyer wrote: > > Topic: Perl Frameworks > > Speaker: Various > > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > > I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it > somewhere? I'd love to see these presentations, but I can't make > Tuesday evening. > > -- > Jack Foy > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From cmeyer at helvella.org Sun Jan 13 15:27:06 2008 From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:27:06 -0800 Subject: SPUG: slide preview In-Reply-To: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> References: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> Message-ID: <20080113232706.GB12080@infula.helvella.org> Have a look at the slides for my 10 minute segment on this coming Tuesday: http://colin.marketoutsider.com/talks/200801_spug_catalyst_10min/ -Colin. On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 08:30:20AM -0800, Colin Meyer wrote: > January 2008 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting > ==================================================== > > Topic: Perl Frameworks > Speaker: Various > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > Location: Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps > > Cost: Admission is free and open to the public > Info: http://seattleperl.org/ > > ==================================================== > > This coming Tuesday, January 15th, is the next meeting of the THE SEATTLE > PERL USERS GROUP. > > This month we will have a number of SPUG regulars presenting short talks > on various Perl based frameworks. We are taking a loose interpretation > of "frameworks", and the talks will vary from OO systems to RDBMS-OO > interfaces to Web Application frameworks. Here's the schedule: > > 1. CGI::Application => Andy Sweger > 2. HTML::Template => Stephen Blum > 3. Template Toolkit => Ingy > 4. Mason => Gryphon Shafer > 5. DBIx::Class => Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes > 6. Catalyst => Colin Meyer > 7. Squeak => Josh Jore > 8. Moose => Jerry Gay From krahnj at telus.net Sun Jan 13 16:36:47 2008 From: krahnj at telus.net (John W. Krahn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:36:47 -0800 Subject: SPUG: slide preview In-Reply-To: <20080113232706.GB12080@infula.helvella.org> References: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> <20080113232706.GB12080@infula.helvella.org> Message-ID: <478AAE9F.3050000@telus.net> Colin Meyer wrote: > Have a look at the slides for my 10 minute segment on this coming Tuesday: > > http://colin.marketoutsider.com/talks/200801_spug_catalyst_10min/ Very interesting comparison of file sizes: Open Office Presentation 19K Shockwave Flash 39K Adobe PDF 68K MS PowerPoint 100K Now why would you want to use MS file formats, he asked ironically? :-) John -- Perl isn't a toolbox, but a small machine shop where you can special-order certain sorts of tools at low cost and in short order. -- Larry Wall From m3047 at inwa.net Sun Jan 13 17:08:22 2008 From: m3047 at inwa.net (Fred Morris) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:08:22 -0800 Subject: SPUG: being a licensed business in the State of Washington Was:: It's in the pod... In-Reply-To: <200712291110.59016.m3047@inwa.net> References: <200712291110.59016.m3047@inwa.net> Message-ID: <200801131708.22238.m3047@inwa.net> Somebody wrote me a note and asked for three or four paragraphs on being a licensed business in the State of Washington and how to verify that kind of information. This covers the State of Washington, so federal registration requirements are omitted, and I assume you're a consultant. You register with the State of Washington, and that gets you a UBI number. Most cities have some sort of licensing, so you register with them and they give you another number and a city business license. You fill out a property tax affidavit for your business property and file it with your county government. If you have employees, you will also be filing with Labor and Industries and paying unemployment taxes and industrial insurance. NOTE: payroll services run around $20/check/employee but they can be worth it in terms of the paperwork hassles, especially if you only pay once or twice a month. If you have a good relationship with a staffing service, they may also be willing to be the middleman. You can check whether some outfit is licensed in the State here: http://www.access.wa.gov/business/licensestatus.aspx There are also links on there to other resources as well as FAQs. NOTE: they talk about construction a lot, because that's one of the industries where fraud is highest and consequences (risk of employees getting injured, or burn your house down, etc.) are also high; but it doesn't just apply to construction. If a business is licensed in the City of Seattle, you can check their license status here: http://www.seattle.gov/biz/ Other cities may have similar on-line tools, or you may have to contact the City Clerk. Unincorporated areas may not require a business license. Just because someone is licensed doesn't mean they're not an employee. It has to do with what they bring to the job (tools, expertise, etc.), your level of direction and control, as well as whether or not they have gone to the trouble to establish themselves as a business. That's unavoidably fuzzy between industries, but one good rule of thumb is that if someone has an employee who does substantially the same work as you are doing under the same conditions then you need to be an employee of someone... even if you're an LLC or corp. you'd probably better be paying L&I and worker's comp on yourself under these circumstances: I insist that people pay me on a W-2 if this is the case, "contract to hire" isn't going to fly and puts both them and you at risk. If you are an employee somewhere and some "contractor" is sitting in the chair next to you doing substantially the same thing you might want to check out their licensing and worker's comp status. That's what I know... -- Fred Morris, Fred Morris Consulting http://www.inwa.net/~m3047/contact.html From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Jan 14 21:15:23 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:15:23 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Taping tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: <20080110064219.GR7553@foys.net> References: <20080109163020.GI3107@infula.helvella.org> <20080110064219.GR7553@foys.net> Message-ID: <00a201c85735$a61e5cb0$650010ac@mlaptop> > I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it > somewhere? I'd love to see these presentations, but I can't make > Tuesday evening. > > -- > Jack Foy As treasurer of another professional group that regularly tapes their meetings, I have access to our camera. I'll bring it. Anyone have experience putting this kind of video up for public consumption? Michael -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Jan 14 22:36:30 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:36:30 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Contest for O'Reilly swag Message-ID: <00a401c85740$f714fb50$650010ac@mlaptop> As added incentive to attend what already promises to be a great set of talks, I've got some O'Reily swag that I can give away at this week's meeting. In order to make it interesting, let's have a contest. Anyone interested in helping me to come up with some questions? Michael P.S. I'll may be out of email contact until the meeting. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From schuh at farmdale.com Tue Jan 15 12:58:59 2008 From: schuh at farmdale.com (Mike Schuh) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: when is 5.10 not > 5.8? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to install some modules from CPAN, having just upgraded from Perl 5.8.8 to 5.10.0 Most of what I want to install has worked OK. In a few places, however, I get complaints about versions: - ERROR: perl (5.10.0) is installed, but we need version >= 5.8 and requires perl '5.8'; you have only 5.010000; giving up Any suggestions? perl -v returns This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i686-linux I suppose I could try setting up some links to fool the CPAN module, but I'm afraid that would just make things worse. Running Fedora Core 6 (2.6.22.14-72.fc6). Thanks. -- Mike Schuh - Seattle, Washington USA http://www.farmdale.com From jerry.gay at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 13:08:32 2008 From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:08:32 -0800 Subject: SPUG: when is 5.10 not > 5.8? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 15, 2008 12:58 PM, Mike Schuh wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to install some modules from CPAN, having just upgraded from > Perl 5.8.8 to 5.10.0 Most of what I want to install has worked OK. > no, you upgraded from Perl 5.008_008 to 5.010_000. > In a few places, however, I get complaints about versions: > > - ERROR: perl (5.10.0) is installed, but we need version >= 5.8 > > and > > requires perl '5.8'; you have only 5.010000; giving up > > > Any suggestions? > make sure your 'use 5.8' lines are modified to 'use 5.008', and all will work as expected. > perl -v returns > > This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i686-linux > it's rather unfortunate that perl's version is advertised as something it's not... or that it's stored as something it's not... anyway, things will compare nicely if you fix as i've suggested. ~jerry From andrew at sweger.net Tue Jan 15 15:48:48 2008 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:48:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: when is 5.10 not > 5.8? In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, jerry gay wrote: > make sure your 'use 5.8' lines are modified to 'use 5.008', and all > will work as expected. Is this backward compatible? If module maintainers fix this upstream, what's the oldest version of Perl that will understand 'use 5.00x' correctly? Just curious. Doesn't effect me directly. I'm just wondering how much distribution maintainers can help this at the CPAN level without resorting to patching modules before they can be built. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From andrew at sweger.net Tue Jan 15 15:50:12 2008 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: presentation hardware for tonight Message-ID: I'm bringing a backup presentation device. Project with 1024x768 supports SVGA, composite, S-video, and DVI inputs. I have cables for SVGA and DVI. I might have an S-video with me, but I'll probably forget to grab it. Sorry for the late notice. But it is a backup solution. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From schuh at farmdale.com Tue Jan 15 17:18:30 2008 From: schuh at farmdale.com (Mike Schuh) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:18:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: when is 5.10 not > 5.8? In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, jerry gay wrote: >On Jan 15, 2008 12:58 PM, Mike Schuh wrote: >> >> I'm trying to install some modules from CPAN, having just upgraded from >> Perl 5.8.8 to 5.10.0 Most of what I want to install has worked OK. > >no, you upgraded from Perl 5.008_008 to 5.010_000. Ah, OK. >> In a few places, however, I get complaints about versions: >> >> - ERROR: perl (5.10.0) is installed, but we need version >= 5.8 > >make sure your 'use 5.8' lines are modified to 'use 5.008', and all >will work as expected. Well, they aren't really my lines, but the module's I'm trying to load. >it's rather unfortunate that perl's version is advertised as something >it's not... or that it's stored as something it's not... Agreed, and Andrew's follow up question is spot on. >anyway, things will compare nicely if you fix as i've suggested. Indeed they did - but the Magic Place is in _build/prereqs *after* "perl Makefile.PL" is run. There ain't no "use 5.8" line anywhere in the source. After changing this as Jerry suggested, running "make && make test" is a much happier experience. But then the next module in my path to glory hits a different problem, but now it's time to head to tonight's meeting. Thanks, Jerry, for the tip. -- Mike Schuh - Seattle, Washington USA http://www.farmdale.com From jerry.gay at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 17:27:01 2008 From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:27:01 -0800 Subject: SPUG: when is 5.10 not > 5.8? In-Reply-To: References: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d9a3f400801151727x6eadde69rc2a140d38d31c4c4@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 15, 2008 3:48 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, jerry gay wrote: > > > make sure your 'use 5.8' lines are modified to 'use 5.008', and all > > will work as expected. > > Is this backward compatible? If module maintainers fix this upstream, > what's the oldest version of Perl that will understand 'use 5.00x' > correctly? Just curious. Doesn't effect me directly. I'm just wondering > how much distribution maintainers can help this at the CPAN level without > resorting to patching modules before they can be built. > yep, backward compatible to any perl 5.x. the 5.8.8 thing probably happened as a side effect of vstrings--a horrid half-man half-beast that ultimately did not survive. ghosts remain, however. ~jerry From gryphon.shafer at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 22:23:33 2008 From: gryphon.shafer at gmail.com (Gryphon Shafer) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:23:33 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Call for Topics (and Speakers) Message-ID: <45b837a10801152223o20b4e7dfk58fbb1ca22476b1e@mail.gmail.com> Greetings all, w00t, I have wireless at Colman dock. :) Anyway, I'd like to put out a call for topics and speakers for upcoming SPUG meetings. If you have topic ideas or would like to volunteer to speak, I'd like to hear from you. Speaking is both fun and rewarding. Not so much rewarding in the monetary sense, but maybe some free beer. Don't feel like you have to be a guru or genius to be a speaker; all are welcomed and encouraged to volunteer. Question for the SPUG list: Over the past few meetings, we've been talking about some pretty advanced topics, which is awesome, but I'm wondering what you all think about if we should offer a few more basic topics from time to time. It may help to attract some newer-to-Perl people into SPUG. At the same time, I don't want to loose the kind of climate we have now. What do you think? Gryphon From ingy at ingy.net Wed Jan 16 08:08:20 2008 From: ingy at ingy.net (Ingy dot Net) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:08:20 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Call for Topics (and Speakers) In-Reply-To: <45b837a10801152223o20b4e7dfk58fbb1ca22476b1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45b837a10801152223o20b4e7dfk58fbb1ca22476b1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080116160820.GB8968@ttul.org> On 15/01/08 22:23 -0800, Gryphon Shafer wrote: > Greetings all, > > w00t, I have wireless at Colman dock. :) Anyway, I'd like to put out a > call for topics and speakers for upcoming SPUG meetings. If you have > topic ideas or would like to volunteer to speak, I'd like to hear from > you. Speaking is both fun and rewarding. Not so much rewarding in the > monetary sense, but maybe some free beer. Don't feel like you have to > be a guru or genius to be a speaker; all are welcomed and encouraged > to volunteer. > > Question for the SPUG list: Over the past few meetings, we've been > talking about some pretty advanced topics, which is awesome, but I'm > wondering what you all think about if we should offer a few more basic > topics from time to time. It may help to attract some newer-to-Perl > people into SPUG. At the same time, I don't want to loose the kind of > climate we have now. What do you think? I think that a good speaker has things to offer for all levels. When I first got started with SPUG, Damian Conway came to town. His talks are at the same time not fully understandable by anyone and completely enjoyable by everyone. Seeing his talks inspired me to learn more about Perl. It also inspired me to try to give inspiring talks. I'm certainly no Damian, none of us are. But we can aspire to be. :) There are a lot of computer languages these days. Rather than cater to newbies to join Perl by training them in basics, I think it's better to blow them out of the water with the full awesomeness of Perl. Make Perl feel like a cult worth following. Ingy > > Gryphon > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From MichaelRWolf at att.net Wed Jan 16 08:54:51 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:54:51 -0800 Subject: SPUG: when is 5.10 not > 5.8? In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004401c85860$89ab78c0$cd00470a@mlaptop> > On Jan 15, 2008 12:58 PM, Mike Schuh wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm trying to install some modules from CPAN, having just upgraded from > > Perl 5.8.8 to 5.10.0 Most of what I want to install has worked OK. > > > no, you upgraded from Perl 5.008_008 to 5.010_000. [...] > > perl -v returns > > > > This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i686-linux > > > it's rather unfortunate that perl's version is advertised as something > it's not... or that it's stored as something it's not... anyway, > things will compare nicely if you fix as i've suggested. Unfortunate? If I didn't like Perl so much, I'd call it professional malpractice to require one form but report another. At least 'perldoc -f use' shows the "5.006_001" form. Is this still preferred to 'v5.6.1'? -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From rick.croote at philips.com Wed Jan 16 11:58:44 2008 From: rick.croote at philips.com (Rick Croote) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:58:44 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, here is hoping that the presentation is available on-line. After driving down from Bothell and turning in circles in unfamiliar territory for over a half an hour, and failing to find a place to park, I finally gave up on attending this meeting. Downtown sucks. Doesn't help I go to some of the garages and am informed that they are closing at 8 or 9pm. I was really looking forward to this one! --- Rick Croote Software Engineer Environment and Tools Team Philips Medical Systems Bothell, WA Rick.Croote at Philips.com Phone: 425-487-7834 To cc "Duane Blanchard" spug-list at mail.pm.org Re: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 Sent by: Classification spug-list-bounces+ri ck.croote=philips.co m at pm.org 2008-01-10 07:29 AM I'd really appreciate this as well. Duane On Jan 9, 2008 10:42 PM, Jack Foy wrote: > Colin Meyer wrote: > > Topic: Perl Frameworks > > Speaker: Various > > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > > I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it > somewhere? 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Doesn't help I go to some of the > garages and am informed that they are closing at 8 or 9pm. > > I was really looking forward to this one! > > --- > Rick Croote > Software Engineer > Environment and Tools Team > Philips Medical Systems > Bothell, WA > Rick.Croote at Philips.com > Phone: 425-487-7834 > > "Duane Blanchard" > > > > > "Duane Blanchard" > > Sent by: > spug-list-bounces+rick.croote=philips.com at pm.org > > 2008-01-10 07:29 AM > > > To > > > > cc > spug-list at mail.pm.org > > > Subject > Re: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 > > > Classification > > > > > I'd really appreciate this as well. > > Duane > > On Jan 9, 2008 10:42 PM, Jack Foy wrote: > > Colin Meyer wrote: > > > Topic: Perl Frameworks > > > Speaker: Various > > > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > > > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > > > > I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it > > somewhere? I'd love to see these presentations, but I can't make > > Tuesday evening. > > > > -- > > Jack Foy > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From xiebob at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 12:18:55 2008 From: xiebob at gmail.com (Christie P Robertson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:18:55 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 In-Reply-To: <10d16e520801161218p1eb70cf3q3ad585df44a78a74@mail.gmail.com> References: <10d16e520801161218p1eb70cf3q3ad585df44a78a74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10d16e520801161218m24ab9ca0k1744ff3ca759468a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry - make that Pike and 2nd. Christie On Jan 16, 2008 12:18 PM, Christie P Robertson wrote: > I park at a garage at Pike and 4th. $6 after 5pm, and I didn't leave > until after 9:30pm. > > For next time... > Christie > > > On Jan 16, 2008 11:58 AM, Rick Croote wrote: > > > > > > Well, here is hoping that the presentation is available on-line. After > > driving down from Bothell and turning in circles in unfamiliar territory for > > over a half an hour, and failing to find a place to park, I finally gave up > > on attending this meeting. Downtown sucks. Doesn't help I go to some of the > > garages and am informed that they are closing at 8 or 9pm. > > > > I was really looking forward to this one! > > > > --- > > Rick Croote > > Software Engineer > > Environment and Tools Team > > Philips Medical Systems > > Bothell, WA > > Rick.Croote at Philips.com > > Phone: 425-487-7834 > > > > "Duane Blanchard" > > > > > > > > > > "Duane Blanchard" > > > > Sent by: > > spug-list-bounces+rick.croote=philips.com at pm.org > > > > 2008-01-10 07:29 AM > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > cc > > spug-list at mail.pm.org > > > > > > Subject > > Re: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 > > > > > > Classification > > > > > > > > > > I'd really appreciate this as well. > > > > Duane > > > > On Jan 9, 2008 10:42 PM, Jack Foy wrote: > > > Colin Meyer wrote: > > > > Topic: Perl Frameworks > > > > Speaker: Various > > > > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > > > > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > > > > > > I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it > > > somewhere? I'd love to see these presentations, but I can't make > > > Tuesday evening. > > > > > > -- > > > Jack Foy > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > From MichaelRWolf at att.net Wed Jan 16 13:00:37 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:00:37 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Video and slides for 1/15 "Framework" extravaganza Message-ID: <002c01c85882$dbf26db0$cd00470a@mlaptop> We had what was probably a record-breaking SPUG session last night. I lost track of the speaker count, but I did record 2 hours and 55 minutes of video! This is my first time doing this, so it's great that two volunteers have stepped forward to assist with the next steps. If you have expertise to share or suggestions for where/how to post/upload/stream the video, how to chapter-ize it, compress it, cross-correlate it to slides, or any other aspects that I haven't yet considered, please contact me. I'll connect the worker bees and get the tape to the team. Thanks again to all the speakers! Good work. P.S. Speakers, if you haven't already done so, please get your slides to Gryphon so that we can coordinate slides and video. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Wed Jan 16 17:12:45 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:12:45 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004f01c858a6$183d8700$cd00470a@mlaptop> Rick, I'm sorry about your frustration with parking. (Colin, could you add the parking location to future announcements to assist future travelers?) I've already gotten some volunteers to assist getting the tapes online. I remember parking was an issue for my first SPUG meeting. I bicycled up from Portland (as part of a larger tour from Colorado to BC) to make Damian's "The Horror that is Self-GOL", and put my bicycle in a garage in time to make the pre-meeting, meeting, and post-meeting activities, only to find myself locked out upon my return. As a result, my first night in Seattle was spent, quite literally, with only the clothes on my back. A friend's couch was comfortable enough (notwithstanding the nightmares of rotating marquees and quines). -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net _____ From: spug-list-bounces+michaelrwolf=att.net at pm.org [mailto:spug-list-bounces+michaelrwolf=att.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of Rick Croote Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:59 AM To: spug-list at pm.org Subject: Re: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 Well, here is hoping that the presentation is available on-line. After driving down from Bothell and turning in circles in unfamiliar territory for over a half an hour, and failing to find a place to park, I finally gave up on attending this meeting. Downtown sucks. Doesn't help I go to some of the garages and am informed that they are closing at 8 or 9pm. I was really looking forward to this one! --- Rick Croote Software Engineer Environment and Tools Team Philips Medical Systems Bothell, WA Rick.Croote at Philips.com Phone: 425-487-7834 Inactive hide details for "Duane Blanchard" "Duane Blanchard" "Duane Blanchard" Sent by: spug-list-bounces+rick.croote=philips.com at pm.org 2008-01-10 07:29 AM To cc spug-list at mail.pm.org Subject Re: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 15 January 2008 Classification I'd really appreciate this as well. Duane On Jan 9, 2008 10:42 PM, Jack Foy wrote: > Colin Meyer wrote: > > Topic: Perl Frameworks > > Speaker: Various > > Meeting Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 > > Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. > > I don't suppose anyone would be willing to record this and post it > somewhere? 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In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400801151727x6eadde69rc2a140d38d31c4c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d9a3f400801151308v5d65a459h6a53bf33740520e1@mail.gmail.com> <1d9a3f400801151727x6eadde69rc2a140d38d31c4c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007301c858ad$b213fce0$cd00470a@mlaptop> > yep, backward compatible to any perl 5.x. the 5.8.8 thing probably > happened as a side effect of vstrings--a horrid half-man half-beast > that ultimately did not survive. ghosts remain, however. Fortunately, the documentation hints at (but is not as heavy-handed as the term "horridness" would require) that the first (and second) forms should be avoided. use v5.6.1; # compile time version check use 5.6.1; # ditto use 5.006_001; # ditto; preferred for backwards compatibility -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From jack at foys.net Wed Jan 16 21:46:23 2008 From: jack at foys.net (Jack Foy) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:46:23 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Video and slides for 1/15 "Framework" extravaganza In-Reply-To: <002c01c85882$dbf26db0$cd00470a@mlaptop> References: <002c01c85882$dbf26db0$cd00470a@mlaptop> Message-ID: <20080117054623.GW7553@foys.net> Michael R. Wolf wrote: > Thanks again to all the speakers! Good work. Thank you, Michael and others, for taking up the recording suggestion and running with it. I look forward to seeing the presentations! -- Jack Foy From MichaelRWolf at att.net Thu Jan 17 07:07:20 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:07:20 -0800 Subject: SPUG: 5.10 adoption strategies Message-ID: <001001c8591a$a92f72e0$650010ac@mlaptop> I'm interested to know how fully folks are adopting 5.10 and what their strategies are for migrating away from (or allowing co-existence of) 5.8. If you've moved beyond the developer-only curiosity stage, could you share your experience? * Have you fully adopted 5.10 for a production environment, or is it still at an evaluation stage? * What strategies are you using for having two (or more) Perl environments? * Do you plan to reduce eliminate older environments? * On Unix/Linux, is it sufficient to have different paths to the executable, then use these paths in the shebang line? * Is anyone running two versions in Windows? * How 'bout cygwin? * What's your strategy for "vetting" legacy Perl programs (and modules) through a test environment before allowing them to run in a production environment? * Have you found problems with backward compatibility? * How do you maintain and install version-specific modules? Is the compile-time @INC sufficient? -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From sthoenna at efn.org Thu Jan 17 20:33:25 2008 From: sthoenna at efn.org (Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:33:25 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Call for Topics (and Speakers) In-Reply-To: <45b837a10801152223o20b4e7dfk58fbb1ca22476b1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45b837a10801152223o20b4e7dfk58fbb1ca22476b1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080118043325.GA12132@raven.feelgoodnetworks.com> I'd kind of like to give a "what's coming in perl 5.12" talk, perhaps in May or June (to give time for there to be something to talk about). From MichaelRWolf at att.net Mon Jan 21 17:40:46 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:40:46 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Wanted: eCommerce service recommendations Message-ID: <002401c85c97$d010fb10$650010ac@mlaptop> I'd like to get recommendations to eCommerce sites for a friend who owns a small (3-person) warehouse and delivery business. A URL and a short one- or two-line description of your experience would be fine. I'll do the detailed research, and summarize back to the list if folks are interested. The new site should be a "custom config", not an expensive "custom dev" job. Here's a quick overview of requirements: - shopping cart + online payments - integration to MYOB (Mind Your Own Business) for - data upload (price, description, availability, picture, tags) - invoices - packing lists - site search - email newsletter management (and archive?) - B2C blogs - CMS/site-builder for articles, links, pictures, "customization" -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Wed Jan 23 14:20:57 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:20:57 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Warwalking or wardriving WiFi shirt for sale Message-ID: <008301c85e0e$413fc330$650010ac@mlaptop> I've got a large, black, WiFi shirt that I don't want. For $20, it's yours. http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/ 3 AAA batteries included. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Fri Jan 25 11:35:11 2008 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:35:11 -0800 Subject: SPUG: Wanted: eCommerce service recommendations In-Reply-To: <002401c85c97$d010fb10$650010ac@mlaptop> References: <002401c85c97$d010fb10$650010ac@mlaptop> Message-ID: <001d01c85f89$6b844d10$650010ac@mlaptop> I said I'd summarize my results back to the SPUG list... I got one response pointing me WebStore by Amazon http://www.amazonservices.com/webstore/, from a non-user who merely knew of its existence. I knew that Amazon scaled *up* to the biggies like Target, but I didn't know it scaled *down* to such a small size. The biggest down side for the service is that they charge 7% right off the top for everything sold, a bigger chunk than my friend is paying now. The up side is that WebStore is so feature rich. He's currently deciding if the extra services are worth the extra cost. It's a classic tradeoff (time-for-money or quality-for-money) business decision. He also did some research, and is evaluating "LightSpeed 2", a point-of-sale program he recently saw at MacWorld. It's got a client/server architecture that allows his Mac to act as the POS terminal, communicating with a web module for the store parts. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net > -----Original Message----- > From: spug-list-bounces+michaelrwolf=att.net at pm.org [mailto:spug-list- > bounces+michaelrwolf=att.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of Michael R. Wolf > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:41 PM > To: spug-list at pm.org > Subject: SPUG: Wanted: eCommerce service recommendations > > I'd like to get recommendations to eCommerce sites for a friend who owns a > small (3-person) warehouse and delivery business. > > A URL and a short one- or two-line description of your experience would be > fine. I'll do the detailed research, and summarize back to the list if > folks are interested. > > The new site should be a "custom config", not an expensive "custom dev" > job. > > Here's a quick overview of requirements: > > - shopping cart + online payments > - integration to MYOB (Mind Your Own Business) for > - data upload (price, description, availability, picture, tags) > - invoices > - packing lists > - site search > - email newsletter management (and archive?) > - B2C blogs > - CMS/site-builder for articles, links, pictures, "customization" > > -- > Michael R. Wolf > All mammals learn by playing! > MichaelRWolf at att.net > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Tue Jan 29 14:14:38 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:14:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Dev Manager - WhitePages.com Message-ID: Development Manager Job Description Permanent Position W-2 Status Physical Location: 1301 Fifth Ave, Suite 1600 map Seattle, WA 98101 No Telecommuting Company's Product: WhitePages.com provides a simple, fast and reliable way to find personal and business contact information online, and via web-enabled mobile devices. We also power the white pages of several leading websites and directories. Our Mission: To be the single best source for finding information to contact people. Contact Information: jcaggiano at whitepages.com Job Incentives: Bonus Plan and Stock Incentives Contact: Initially through recruiters and then with other company staff 1. Job Overview The Development Manager is responsible for leading 6-12 member technical teams and is responsible for overseeing architecture direction and development for new and existing products. Assists project management and product owners to meet time/cost objectives. Councils and mentors team members and conducts performance evaluations and career planning. Analyzes and refines practices and process to ensure team produces documented, high-quality, stable and high-performance applications for WhitePages.com. 2. Job Responsibilities a. Duties and Responsibilities - Be a role model to the team. - Facilitate effective team interaction. - Keep team well informed of changes within the organization. - Set team expectations and enforce coding standards and best practices. - Encourage team to make and keep commitments. - Work with others to establish project objectives, estimates and schedules. - Manage development projects, including assigning work, monitoring schedules, solving and/or elevating issues, and providing constant communication both within the project team and to other interested parties. - Manage and facilitate relationships between development staff and co-workers. - Provide managerial leadership within the organization. - Assist in establishing, maintenance, and improvement of Product Development processes and procedures. - Ensure team understands and meets business project objectives and requirements. - As necessary, assist in development. b. Management Responsibilities The Development Manager will have line management responsibilities, including: - Recruit experienced, high-value employees - Performance Reviews - Career planning - Participate in salary reviews and adjustments - Coaching and mentoring - Counseling - Team building - Expense report approval - Time and resource management - Manage difficult personnel situations and tactfully communicate sensitive information 3. Position Complexities and Conditions of Employment (Position demands that may apply, such as overnight shift work, daily and over-night travel requirements, high level of responsibilities with high-impact to the organization. - Outlined in responsibilities and competencies. 4. Job Competencies a) Technical knowledge, skills and abilities (Minimum required education, experience and specialized skills unique to this position). - BS degree in a computer-oriented technical discipline or equivalent experience. - 7+ years experience in technology, including 3+ years product development management or leadership. - Superior people skills - the focus of this position is maximizing the effectiveness of a team. - Assertive individual with a high-energy level. Entrepreneurial in nature, willing to take responsibility for product success. - Excellent project, resource, and requirements management skills. - Ability to manage and maintain multiple projects simultaneously, satisfying multiple constituencies, while still keeping overall corporate goals in mind. - Experience in technology product development, preferably with online applications. - Experience working in an Open Source environment, including the use of Perl, Apache, Linux, CVS, Bugzilla, etc. - Thorough understanding of, and experience with, various Product Development Life Cycles. - Deep and broad background in software development with hands-on experience in various SDLCs (Software Development Life Cycles), system architectures, programming languages, relational databases, Internet technologies, and system development methodologies - Strong business aptitude, including an understanding of the financial aspects of the business. - Analytical skills, able to creatively and explore multiple avenues, and move abstract concepts to implementation. - Excellent communication and presentation skills. - Ability to provide leadership and influence peers in a team environment and effectively establish positive inter-department relationships. Proven ability to effectively communicate with different levels of staff and external contacts. - Strong Microsoft Office skills (Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Project) - Excellent knowledge of scripting languages such as Perl and object-oriented concepts. - Experience implementing database-driven, web-based applications and client/server, internet system architectures. - Understands browser / client specific compatibility issues. - Knowledge of Apache and mod_perl. - Experience with HTML and CSS. - Knowledge of XML and XSLT. - Possesses demonstrated work experience with relevant technologies. - Proven track record in all of the above. b) Behavioral competencies - Leadership - Focuses on doing whatever must be done to produce the best near and long-term results for the company; communicates and supports near-term company direction and long-term vision for the future; provides a strong and positive role model and leads by example. - staffing/Hiring - Determines appropriate resources and develops hiring plan to achieve departmental goals; works with recruiting as an active participant in the hiring process to achieve hiring plan; evaluates qualifications of candidates and successfully determines if a candidate's skills and qualifications meet the job. Takes the time to hire the people capable of best succeeding in our culture; successfully trains and on-boards new employees to reduce employee turnover - Managing and Supervision - Effectively defines team goals and supports achievement of those goals by organizing people and resources; acknowledges and understand his/her role in developing the team to achieve its successes; communicates and encourages the team and individuals to high performance standards; sets clear expectations; delegates tasks and responsibility, empowers others to make decisions and achieve results; fosters accountability to ensure achievement of goals. - Coaching and development - Strives to develop and improve skills of direct reports by identifying areas of performance strengths and development opportunities; provides ongoing coaching to develop, mentor or counsel employees; provides ongoing feedback and is diligent in following up when improvements or additional feedback is needed; takes timely and appropriate action to address performance issues. Provides on the job development opportunities; develops employees into positions in which they can succeed. - Rewards and recognition - Gives credit to employees and other team members through verbal feedback, public acknowledgement and formal recognition program; makes compensation decisions in line with compensation plan to reward employees based on performance and responsibility. - Interpersonal Skills - Demonstrates competence at promoting cooperation and building team spirit; checks in with others in the organization and builds bonds by demonstrating an ability to find common ground and build rapport, recognizes that nothing important gets done alone or in a silo; fosters the value of relationships and gets along well with others, even during times of conflict. - Problem solving - Seeks to understand why problems exist, is thorough in gathering information and works to facilitate open dialog with impacted groups and/or people to understand root causes, resolve problems and prevent recurrences - Employee Empowerment - Provides the tools and resources for employees to resolve problems; proactively anticipates and eliminates potential obstacles that prevent assignments from being completed on time and with high quality; encourages others to identify problems and works with them to create a process to resolve. Joni Caggiano Recruiter WhitePages.com search. find. connect. m: 919.815.5977 jcaggiano at whitepages.com whitepagesinc.com From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Tue Jan 29 14:14:54 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:14:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Web Dev Manager - WhitePages.com Message-ID: Web Development Manager Permanent Position W-2 Status Physical Location: 1301 Fifth Ave, Suite 1600 map Seattle, WA 98101 No Telecommuting Company's Product: WhitePages.com provides a simple, fast and reliable way to find personal and business contact information online, and via web-enabled mobile devices. We also power the white pages of several leading websites and directories. Our Mission: To be the single best source for finding information to contact people. Contact Information: jcaggiano at whitepages.com Job Incentives: Bonus Plan and Stock Incentives Contact: Initially through recruiters and then with other company staff What it's all about: As Development Manager you'll be responsible for managing a 6-10 person development team within the Product Development Department, crafting the company's Internet-based product. As Dev Manager, you'll manage your team to maximize both short- and long-term productivity and career satisfaction. In addition, you will: - Manage and facilitate the relationships between Development staff and other departments, particularly Product Management, Quality Assurance, and Operations. - Work with Product Management, Developers, Quality Assurance, and Operations to establish project objectives and schedules. - Manage development projects, including assigning work, monitoring schedules, solving and/or elevating issues, and providing constant communication both within the project team and to other interested parties. - Provide managerial and process leadership both within and without the development organization. - As necessary, assist in the design and development of the business unit's product suite, with occasional coding in Perl and/or our other technologies. - Identify and recruit experienced and high-value potential employees - Design, implement, and oversee predictable development processes to measure and maintain quality standards, controls, and procedures. The Details: - Mentor, motivate and lead development staff. - Manage and facilitate relationships between development staff and co-workers. - Establish, maintain, and improve Product Development processes and procedures. - Establish, manage, and meet Product Development schedules. - Ensure that Development staff understand and meet projects, business objectives. - Identify and recruit experienced and high-value potential employees. - As necessary, write high-performance code containing minimal bugs according to business and IT resource requirements. - As necessary, create and maintain high-quality documentation of all relevant specifications, systems, and procedures. - Participate/ Lead Hiring, performance Reviews - Participate in Salary reviews and adjustments - Coaching, mentoring and counseling - Team building - Expense report approval, time and resource management What you'll need to bring: - BS degree in a computer-oriented technical discipline or equivalent experience. - 7+ years experience in technology, including 3+ years product development management or leadership. - Superior people skills - the focus of this position is maximizing the effectiveness of a team. - Assertive individual with a high-energy level. Entrepreneurial in nature, willing to take responsibility for product success. - Excellent project, resource, and requirements management skills. - Ability to manage and maintain multiple projects simultaneously, satisfying multiple constituencies, while still keeping overall corporate goals in mind. - Experience in technology product development, preferably with online applications. - Experience working in an Open Source environment, including the use of Perl, Apache, Linux, CVS, Bugzilla, etc. - Thorough understanding of, and experience with, various Product Development Life Cycles. - Deep and broad background in software development with hands-on experience in various SDLCs (Software Development Life Cycles), system architectures, programming languages, relational databases, Internet technologies, and system development methodologies - Strong business aptitude, including an understanding of the financial aspects of the business. - Analytical skills, able to creatively and explore multiple avenues, and move abstract concepts to implementation. - Excellent communication and presentation skills. - Ability to provide leadership and influence peers in a team environment and effectively establish positive inter-department relationships. Proven ability to effectively communicate with different levels of staff and external contacts. - Strong Microsoft Office skills (Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Project) - Excellent knowledge of object-oriented design practices. - Experience implementing database-driven, web-based applications. - Knowledge of Apache and mod_perl. - Experience with HTML and XML - Proven track record in all of the above. Joni Caggiano Recruiter WhitePages.com search. find. connect. m: 919.815.5977 jcaggiano at whitepages.com whitepagesinc.com From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Tue Jan 29 14:15:12 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:15:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Web Dev III - WhitePages.com Message-ID: Web Developer III Permanent Position W-2 Status Physical Location: 1301 Fifth Ave, Suite 1600 map Seattle, WA 98101 No Telecommuting Company's Product: WhitePages.com provides a simple, fast and reliable way to find personal and business contact information online, and via web-enabled mobile devices. We also power the white pages of several leading websites and directories. Our Mission: To be the single best source for finding information to contact people. Contact Information: jcaggiano at whitepages.com Job Incentives: Bonus Plan and Stock Incentives Contact: Initially through recruiters and then with other company staff The Web Developer III is responsible for the implementation and maintenance of the WhitePages Network (WPN) applications. This developer needs to thrive in a fast paced, competitive, team environment. Creative implementation and trouble-shooting skills are necessary in order to analyze and remedy ambiguous but complex problems. Advanced skill in Perl, XSLT, CSS and JavaScript is required. A Web Developer III needs a disposition to working in a collaborative development process involving multiple team members from various departments to deliver quality content in a timely manner. Must be detail oriented with good communication skills. Responsibilities: - Produce high quality, custom coded applications and features. - Interpret and provide feedback on various requirements documents produced by Product Management and Design teams. - Fill a development leadership role in small project teams. - Meeting milestones and project objectives. - Communicate effectively with all parts of the business. - Work closely with external and internal customers to define work commitments, estimates and milestones. - A willingness to adhere to corporate style guidelines, best practices and processes while contributing to further refinement and improvement. - Write maintainable code that is easy to read and documented. - Provide mentorship and training for junior staff as needed. - Ability to lead and participate in peer code reviews. - Assist with other company tasks as needed. Technical knowledge, skills and abilities: - BS or advanced degree in computer science or related field. - 5+ years experience developing DHTML and CSS. - 5+ years developing advanced JavaScript. - 3+ years developing XSLT. - 3+ years of experience with software application development in a Linux environment using a modern programming language. Perl preferred. - Solid understanding of relational databases and SQL. - Experience with graphic design techniques and familiarity with Photoshop or GIMP. - Experience using CVS or other source code management system. - Demonstrated ability to write and maintain technical documentation. Joni Caggiano Recruiter WhitePages.com search. find. connect. m: 919.815.5977 jcaggiano at whitepages.com whitepagesinc.com From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Tue Jan 29 14:15:21 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:15:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl Programmer Position Message-ID: I have an opportunity for a FT position with a well funded and innovative medical device firm in Seatle, Wa. They are developing a wonderful product which will enable hundreds of thousands of individuals to improve, if not save, their lives in the area of neural stimulation It's a great team and they offer strong salary and benefits (stock options etc.,). If you are not interested in this position, but feel you know of someone who may be, please forward them this information. I do offer a $1000.00 referral fee for placed candidates. Please call me at 805-624-9834. No telecommuting and W-2 or 1099s, open ESSENTIAL JOB FUNCTIONS - Contributes to development and modification of Perl-based programming application for batch control and UI functions associated with the Company's high-performance computing infrastructure - Contributes to the development and documentation of formal testing associated with these applications - Contributes to definition and review of software modules and applications supporting the Company's high-performance computing infrastructure - Timely design and implementation of various software applications and modules with the highest level of quality - Documents results of design and development activities in a manner consistent with the Project Plan and applicable Company policies and procedures EDUCATION (list minimum level of education required to perform the job) - Bachelors Degree in related engineering field. EXPERIENCE (list minimum level of experience required to perform the job) - 3+ years in-depth Perl programming skills, preferably for PC applications - 3+ years experience with database and UI programming - Skilled with MS-Windows based PC's - Familiarity with network architectures - Exposure to software development in an FDA, or other regulated, environment preferred - Small and/or early-stage company experience optimal SPECIALIZED PROFICIENCY - Expert level Perl programming skills - Proficient in CGI, Tk programming - Proficient in some form of database programming (e.g., MySQL, Sql) - Configuration management software, build systems & issue tracking software experience Alex Szwed 805-624-9834 Managing Partner alek inc., From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Tue Jan 29 14:15:31 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Sr. Software Engineer - WhitePages.com Message-ID: Sr. Software Engineer Permanent Position W-2 Status Physical Location: 1301 Fifth Ave, Suite 1600 map Seattle, WA 98101 No Telecommuting Company's Product: WhitePages.com provides a simple, fast and reliable way to find personal and business contact information online, and via web-enabled mobile devices. We also power the white pages of several leading websites and directories. Our Mission: To be the single best source for finding information to contact people. Contact Information: jcaggiano at whitepages.com Job Incentives: Bonus Plan Pay: DOE Contact: Initially through recruiters and then with other company staff Sr. Software Engineer Want to Work on a top-40 website and the Internet's leading people search engine, doing hundreds of millions of searches every month, without being a cog in a very large wheel? Be involved in the full cycle of product development, from design to release, where millions of people see your work? Join an insanely smart, highly productive, creative, and innovative team? Then join us as a Sr. Software Engineer. Our Software Engineers are responsible for designing and building systems to search billions of records in milliseconds for WhitePages.com Inc.'s software, services, and applications. We need: Great, passionate engineers who want to build and ship highly-scalable, highly-performance products, and who want to learn from some of the best architects and engineers in the industry. We're a LAMP shop with particular expertise in Perl, PostgreSQL, and MySQL. What the Sr. Software Engineer position is all about: The Senior Software Engineer is responsible for the design, development, and maintenance of WhitePages.com Inc.'s software, services, and applications. This can include project implementation, code development, and maintenance; build management, architecture, design, project management, and other work as assigned by the department's Development Managers. Initial projects will be focused on object oriented design and development for our database driven web applications utilizing Perl. Responsibilities may include: - Write high-performance code and create scaleable systems according to business and IT resource requirements. - Write maintainable code that is easy to read, well-documented, and compliant with best-practice style conventions. - Write code containing minimal bugs, and assist in QA as needed. - Independently analyze, propose, and develop solutions for advanced technical problems and issues - Meet development milestones and business objectives on schedule. - Write software consistent with business objectives and project or task requirements - Contribute with strong personal effort and commitment to engineering initiatives. - Assist with application build management including implementing, maintaining and troubleshooting build process and release mechanisms. - Create and maintain high-quality documentation of all relevant specifications, systems, and procedures. - Communicate closely and effectively with engineering management, leads, and peers. - Communicate closely and effectively with product managers and business management, leads, and peers. - Assist with project management tasks (e.g. scheduling, task and project estimation, status report, etc.) as necessary. - Assist in recruiting as needed. What you need: - BS or advanced degree in computer science, engineering, or related technical field. (Or equivalent professional experience) - At least 5-10 years of software engineering experience. - Advanced knowledge of Perl and object-oriented design practices. - Experience implementing database-driven, web-based applications. - Intermediate to advanced knowledge of Linux and/or UNIX. - Knowledge of DBI and experience using Perl with relational databases. - Intermediate to advanced experience with mod_perl and Apache. - Advanced experience with Postgres, MySQL, and/or Oracle databases. - Advanced understanding of and practical experience with various SDLCs (Software Development Life Cycles). - Small project leadership and management experience in all phases of the development cycle (Inception, elaboration, construction, transition, maintenance) - Broad and expansive work history with a variety of languages, technologies, or projects. - Advanced knowledge of CVS. - Demonstrated ability to write and maintain technical documentation - Demonstrated ability to interpret and develop applications from requirement documents, functional specifications, and/or technical specifications. - Experience with Java a plus, not required. - Experience with XML and XSLT a plus, not required. - Experience with Search Engine, Directory Assistance, Marketing List, or similar data (names, phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, demographic profiles, etc) a plus, not required. What We Do: WhitePages.com is the definitive leader in online directory assistance, serving tens of millions of users each month. Our web properties are consistently top-ranked and we power the people search sections for several of the largest Internet properties including Verizon SuperPages.com and YellowPages.com. Driven by a spirit of innovation and a commitment to delivering consumer value, WhitePages.com has nearly doubled its profits and revenue each year since its incorporation in 2000 as Web site traffic grew from one million to nearly 40 million users each month. Help us break new ground in People Search as we execute on ambitious plans in 2008 and beyond! Why You Want To Work Here: A profitable, diverse and rapidly growing company, we were ranked a best place to work by Washington CEO Magazine, Seattle Business Monthly and Seattle Metropolitan Magazine. We were also recognized by Inc. Magazine as the 123rd Fastest Growing Private Company in North America! In addition to our competitive compensation package, we provide annual training and education allowances, discounted transportation passes, catered lunch on Fridays, free snacks and soda, and quarterly company-sponsored events. Our headquarters is located in the heart of downtown Seattle surrounded by great restaurants and interesting places. Bottom line: We're a small, highly profitable company and our people are smart, passionate, team players with high integrity who like challenge and have fun doing it! Interested? Check us out: http://www.whitepagesinc.com/careers/ Joni Caggiano Recruiter WhitePages.com search. find. connect. m: 919.815.5977 jcaggiano at whitepages.com whitepagesinc.com From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Tue Jan 29 14:15:46 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:15:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: 3 mo contract (to hire) Perl dev, Bellevue Message-ID: We have a fantastic opening for a 3 month contract to possible hire Perl development position. Our client is located in Bellevue, and has great work-life balance. They are looking for a solid Perl developer with a passion to work on internal systems. As a Perl developer, you'll work on creating and extending new technologies scouring data all over the internet. You should be able to work effectively alone as well as with others in a fast-paced environment. Skills Required: - Ability to build modules in Perl - Experience with object oriented programming - Ability to implement robust systems interacting with very large data sets - Work on new parsing and mining methodologies An overview of your required list with the appropriate answers Required skill set: Perl, object oriented programming Contract or permanent position: contract, potential contract-to-hire Expected contract duration and pay range: 3 months, $40/hr Placement through Robert Half Technology W2 status Bellevue, WA location Telecommuting not an option Company's product or service: financial industry Please let me know if you need any additional information. Thanks! Julie Taheri Account Executive Robert Half Technology julie.taheri at rht.com 13920 SE Eastgate Way, Suite 420 Bellevue, WA 98005 p: (425) 401-2941 f: (425) 562-9300 Robert Half International has been named to the America's Most Admired Companies list by Fortune magazine, ranking number one in the temporary help industry. From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org Wed Jan 30 07:40:12 2008 From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:40:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl dev - Lucidoc (Redmond) Message-ID: Perl Software Developer Wanted: - required skill-set: As a Perl Software Developer, you will work with the Lucidoc development team to develop and maintain core perl based software technologies. You will be focusing more on the interface and perl application areas of the system, though some core development may be occasionally required. - Work on the perl development portion of the current generation of core web-based system - Enhance the current techology as needed in response to customer and market needs - Work closely with DBA to coordinate application process and object code with ontology and metadata - architect and develop enhancements to the core system - Resolve application-level design and functional issues - Consult on, implement custome solutions as needed - Competencies: - good sw engineering practices, experience building rich internet aplications - practical knowledge of web interface, security, rich application design and development - strong verbal and written communication skills - positive get it done attitude - Understanding, experience with web development languages/technologies (mainly Perl), also JavaScript, DHTML, XML, and CSS - Practical knowledge of Oracle, SQL Server, and/or other database systems - Familiarity with Web development and deployment technologies on Linux and Windows - Experience with and understanding of basic usability principles and interface design - Experience with and understanding of Web Services in general, AJAX a plus - Familiarity with documentation, workflow, compliance management systems, requirements is useful - permanent position preferred - great benefits, stock plan under formulation - direct hire with Lucidoc Corporation - W-2 preferred - location: Redmond, WA - telecommuting options: occasionally - company's product or service: leading edge Software as a Service (SaaS) company with focus on compliance and policy management, client focus currently in Health Care and Finance industries, growth planned; interesting ontology technology core - Other Requirements: The joy of working in a small company on a highly competent, forward looking technology team, on the leading edge of emerging application design For information on the company, see www.lucidoc.com For more information on the position, send email to careers at lucidoc.com To apply, send your resume to careers at lucidoc.com We look forward to hearing from you!