From phil at scharp.org  Fri Feb  1 06:13:09 2008
From: phil at scharp.org (Phil Kirsch)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:13:09 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Looking for Getopt::Std
Message-ID: <47A328F5.2070208@scharp.org>

I'm trying to bring some perl code into a new client's environment and 
find that they don't have Getopt::Std. I'm not finding it on CPAN. I'm 
finding "Getopt-Std-With-Check" (which also requires Getopt::Std) and a 
lot of other variants, but when I search for "Getopt::Std" on CPAN the 
only available downloads seem to be Perl-5.10.0. I realize the module 
might be incorporated in the new version, but I'm really not wanting to 
move to that.

Can anybody tell me where to find the "Getopt::Std" module?

Thanks!

Phil Kirsch

From phil at scharp.org  Fri Feb  1 06:32:58 2008
From: phil at scharp.org (Phil Kirsch)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:32:58 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Looking for Getopt::Std
In-Reply-To: <73ddeb6c0802010621m39326e35t6a9c5a23fac775eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47A328F5.2070208@scharp.org>
	<73ddeb6c0802010621m39326e35t6a9c5a23fac775eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A32D9A.7000202@scharp.org>

Thanks!

(Looking closer, I think I had a typo in one test script that may have 
lead me astray -- GEtOpt::Std.)

#!/usr/local/bin/perl
use Tk;
use GEtopt::Std;
print ("Hello ACI\n");
print ("\n");
foreach $i (@INC){
        print ("$i\n");
}

Of course the main module still does not work, so I need dig some more.

Phil

Adriano Ferreira wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2008 12:13 PM, Phil Kirsch <phil at scharp.org> wrote:
>   
>> I'm trying to bring some perl code into a new client's environment and
>> find that they don't have Getopt::Std. I'm not finding it on CPAN. I'm
>> finding "Getopt-Std-With-Check" (which also requires Getopt::Std) and a
>> lot of other variants, but when I search for "Getopt::Std" on CPAN the
>> only available downloads seem to be Perl-5.10.0. I realize the module
>> might be incorporated in the new version, but I'm really not wanting to
>> move to that.
>>
>> Can anybody tell me where to find the "Getopt::Std" module?
>>     
>
> That's weird as Getopt::Std is part of the official distribution of
> Perl since forever. That's what corelist says:
> ###
> $ corelist Getopt::Std
>
> Getopt::Std was first released with perl 5
> ###
> As the module is not available in its own distribution (like a dual
> life module), you may use directly the source from
>
> http://search.cpan.org/src/RGARCIA/perl-5.10.0/lib/Getopt/Std.pm
>
> This is a pure Perl code with the only prerequisite on Exporter (which
> hopefully your clients will have installed -- but at least Exporter is
> at CPAN now).
>
> You may write a minimum Makefile.PL to get it installed in the
> client's machine. Something like
>
> # Makefile.PL
> use ExtUtils::MakeMaker;
> WriteMakefile(
>      NAME => 'Getopt::Std',
>      VERSION_FROM => 'Std.pm',
> );
>
> # MANIFEST
> Makefile.PL
> Std.pm
>
> with the dist layout shown in the example MANIFEST file above.
>
> Regards,
> Adriano Ferreira
>
>
>   
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Phil Kirsch
>> _____________________________________________________________
>> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List
>>      POST TO: spug-list at pm.org
>> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list
>>     MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays
>>     WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/
>>
>>     

From a.r.ferreira at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 06:21:04 2008
From: a.r.ferreira at gmail.com (Adriano Ferreira)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:21:04 -0200
Subject: SPUG: Looking for Getopt::Std
In-Reply-To: <47A328F5.2070208@scharp.org>
References: <47A328F5.2070208@scharp.org>
Message-ID: <73ddeb6c0802010621m39326e35t6a9c5a23fac775eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 1, 2008 12:13 PM, Phil Kirsch <phil at scharp.org> wrote:
> I'm trying to bring some perl code into a new client's environment and
> find that they don't have Getopt::Std. I'm not finding it on CPAN. I'm
> finding "Getopt-Std-With-Check" (which also requires Getopt::Std) and a
> lot of other variants, but when I search for "Getopt::Std" on CPAN the
> only available downloads seem to be Perl-5.10.0. I realize the module
> might be incorporated in the new version, but I'm really not wanting to
> move to that.
>
> Can anybody tell me where to find the "Getopt::Std" module?

That's weird as Getopt::Std is part of the official distribution of
Perl since forever. That's what corelist says:
###
$ corelist Getopt::Std

Getopt::Std was first released with perl 5
###
As the module is not available in its own distribution (like a dual
life module), you may use directly the source from

http://search.cpan.org/src/RGARCIA/perl-5.10.0/lib/Getopt/Std.pm

This is a pure Perl code with the only prerequisite on Exporter (which
hopefully your clients will have installed -- but at least Exporter is
at CPAN now).

You may write a minimum Makefile.PL to get it installed in the
client's machine. Something like

# Makefile.PL
use ExtUtils::MakeMaker;
WriteMakefile(
     NAME => 'Getopt::Std',
     VERSION_FROM => 'Std.pm',
);

# MANIFEST
Makefile.PL
Std.pm

with the dist layout shown in the example MANIFEST file above.

Regards,
Adriano Ferreira


> Thanks!
>
> Phil Kirsch
> _____________________________________________________________
> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List
>      POST TO: spug-list at pm.org
> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list
>     MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays
>     WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/
>

From cos at indeterminate.net  Fri Feb  1 15:08:00 2008
From: cos at indeterminate.net (John Costello)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:08:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: Modifying ExtUtils::Makemaker's include list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0802011505310.12084-100000@olivia.indeterminate.net>


I'm trying to get a Makefile.PL for ExtUtils::Makemaker to create a 
Makefile that will include my ~/perlinc libraries, as that is where 
Module::Build and other required local modules are installed.

Note that this isn't my own module; the author chose ExtUtils::Makemaker.

I've tried adding the INC key-value pair in Makefile.PL, to no effect, and 
my Google-fu isn't turning up anything.

John
----


From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org  Fri Feb  1 21:04:18 2008
From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:04:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl Web Dev, Financial sector, Bellevue
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802012100430.14883-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

[Sorry if this information is weak. I'm tired of getting recruiters to
recognize how valuable your time is. -Ed.]

Interested in individuals that can effectively utilize the modules in CPAN
to create high performance data mining and aggregation utilities and
processes with highly scalable databases.  Additionally, working on new
ways to parse, mine, and otherwise deal with completely unstructured data.  
Optimizing, profiling and debugging existing software to make it stronger,
better, and faster will be part of your skill set. Writing, optimizing and
maintaining fast, intelligent interfaces between distributed components
and systems over multiple locations will round out the need I have.  You
will be engineering in advanced Perl (Mod-Perl and OO Perl).  They are
committed to the utilization of Open Source.

The location is in North Bellevue with no parking restrictions.  This is a
permanent position with excellent benefits and salary.  They have flexible
hours with the occasional telecommute possibility.

The company is in the financial services internet web compliance business.
The company has experienced phenomenal growth over the past two years.  
This is an add to staff as a result of said growth.

Bill Parfitt
Parfitt Search Partners Technical Recruiting
Technical Search Division
425-844-1600 Office
206-992-6392 Cell
bparfitt at parfittsearch.com
www.parfittsearch.com


From cmeyer at helvella.org  Sat Feb  2 13:22:26 2008
From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:22:26 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Modifying ExtUtils::Makemaker's include list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0802011505310.12084-100000@olivia.indeterminate.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0802011505310.12084-100000@olivia.indeterminate.net>
Message-ID: <20080202212226.GA25101@infula.helvella.org>

Does setting the PERL5LIB environment variable help?

  export PERL5LIB=~/perlinc

That will have the effect of adding ~/perlinc to @INC everytime
that perl runs.

-Colin.

On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 03:08:00PM -0800, John Costello wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to get a Makefile.PL for ExtUtils::Makemaker to create a 
> Makefile that will include my ~/perlinc libraries, as that is where 
> Module::Build and other required local modules are installed.
> 
> Note that this isn't my own module; the author chose ExtUtils::Makemaker.
> 
> I've tried adding the INC key-value pair in Makefile.PL, to no effect, and 
> my Google-fu isn't turning up anything.
> 
> John
> ----
> 
> _____________________________________________________________
> Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List  
>      POST TO: spug-list at pm.org
> SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list
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From cos at indeterminate.net  Sat Feb  2 15:19:29 2008
From: cos at indeterminate.net (John Costello)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:19:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: Modifying ExtUtils::Makemaker's include list
In-Reply-To: <20080202212226.GA25101@infula.helvella.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0802021519040.30231-100000@olivia.indeterminate.net>

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Colin Meyer wrote:

> Does setting the PERL5LIB environment variable help?
> 
>   export PERL5LIB=~/perlinc
> 
> That will have the effect of adding ~/perlinc to @INC everytime
> that perl runs.

Yes, that fixed that problem.  Thanks much!
 
> -Colin.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 03:08:00PM -0800, John Costello wrote:
> > 
> > I'm trying to get a Makefile.PL for ExtUtils::Makemaker to create a 
> > Makefile that will include my ~/perlinc libraries, as that is where 
> > Module::Build and other required local modules are installed.
> > 
> > Note that this isn't my own module; the author chose ExtUtils::Makemaker.
> > 
> > I've tried adding the INC key-value pair in Makefile.PL, to no effect, and 
> > my Google-fu isn't turning up anything.
> > 
> > John
> > ----
> > 
> > _____________________________________________________________
> > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List  
> >      POST TO: spug-list at pm.org
> > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list
> >     MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays
> >     WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/
> 

----


From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org  Mon Feb  4 11:24:04 2008
From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:24:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: JOB: [UPDATED] 3 Perl Web Devs, Financial sector, Bellevue
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802040957180.14883-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Parfitt Search Partners seeks three (3) Perl developers for a company in
North Bellevue that provides Internet compliance services to most all
large financial institutions including PayPal.

Your responsibilities include: 

 - Implementing scalable, robust, parallel systems interacting with very
   large data sets
 - Working on new ways to parse, mine, and otherwise deal with
   completely unstructured data
 - Optimizing, profiling and debugging existing software to make it
   stronger, better, and faster
 - Writing, optimizing and maintaining fast, intelligent interfaces
   between distributed components and systems over multiple locations

Skills you must have: 

 - A very strong foundation in Object Oriented Perl and object oriented
   methodologies
 - Experience and some ability in other object oriented languages, such
   as C++, Ruby, Python, PHP, or Java
 - Familiarity and extensive use of CPAN modules (especially if you've
   ever contributed )
 - Experience and familiarity with MySQL or PostgreSQL
 - Proven problem solving and analytical ability

Located in North Bellevue

Free parking

Full time, salaried (W2) position with benefits

There is some telecommuting possibility and flexible hours

The company is seeking individuals that can effectively utilize the
modules in CPAN to create high performance data mining and aggregation
utilities and processes with highly scalable databases.  Additionally,
working on new ways to parse, mine, and otherwise deal with completely
unstructured data.  Optimizing, profiling and debugging existing software
to make it stronger, better, and faster will be part of your skill set.
Writing, optimizing and maintaining fast, intelligent interfaces between
distributed components and systems over multiple locations will round out
the need I have.  You will be engineering in advanced Perl (Mod-Perl and
OO Perl).  They are committed to the utilization of Open Source.

The company provides Internet compliance services to most all large
financial institutions including PayPal.

Bill Parfitt
Parfitt Search Partners
425-844-1600 Office
206-992-6392 Cell
bparfitt at parfittsearch.com
www.parfittsearch.com





From methylgrace at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  4 11:49:10 2008
From: methylgrace at yahoo.com (Grace Hensley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:49:10 -0800
Subject: SPUG: QASIG - John Medina - Brain Rules - Meeting Report
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0620789767FABE2FE09D5FE4330@CEZ.ICE>

Hi Spuggers,

(Sorry for the delay, but I was busy having a baby .... ;)  )

I attended the QASIG (http://www.qasig.org/past_meetings.html) at  
Quardev in January, where we invited John Medina to speak about his  
upcoming book 'Brain Rules' (http://www.amazon.com/Brain-Rules- 
Principles-Surviving-Thriving/dp/0979777704/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1? 
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202148137&sr=8-1).  Dr. Medina is a dynamic and  
entertaining speaker.  My only gripe with the presentation was how he  
delivered his slides, opening a variety of files as he made his  
points; it could have been smoother.  I highly recommend that you  
visit his website and review his engaging short videos (http:// 
www.brainrulesbook.com).  By the way, this is the first time that  
I've ever seen a prose (non-software) book released with a website.   
Fun.

Dr. Medina spoke about two of his Brain Rules, Sleep, and Memory.  He  
is interested mainly about how people learn, and what it says for  
business practices or education.  As a QA person, I also tried to  
apply his talk specifically to software testing.

In the part of the speech regarding Memory, he discussed Intentional  
Blindness.  [Aside: Watch the video from the Visual Cognition Lab  
carefully.  How many times do you see the basketballs bounce? (http:// 
viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/15.html) ].  He reports that your  
brain edits out what is not supposed to be there.  Many points  
derived from patients with brain injuries were discussed, including  
the patient who had motion blindness (her brain edited out motion)  
(http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/ 
braindamage.htm#motion).  When you apply this to Problem Solving  
(which is what software developers and testers are particularly good  
at), be aware of your biases.  Remember, "What is obvious to you, is  
obvious to you."  ...  Read that again!!

He discussed several phases of memory, Immediate Memory; that which  
must be repeated within 30 seconds or is forgotten, Working Memory,  
in which you repeat the information within 60-90 minutes, and of  
course, Long Term Memory.  What is interesting is that information is  
subject to corruption (just like software data!) unless you relearn  
it.  The process of getting the informaiton into long-term memory  
takes about 11 years!  Dr. Medina proposed changing the school day  
from half-a-dozen disparate single topics to 2-3 topics that are  
repeated throughout the day.  Perhaps you can teach a topic once  
auditorily, once kinesthetically, and once visually, each day to  
reinforce the concepts, getting them into Working Memory.

Segue into Sleep, which Dr. Medina proposes is really how you get  
information into your long term memory.  Dr. Medina used the model of  
the laboratory rat whose brain wave patterns were measured during the  
maze learning, and while the rat slept that night.  The pattern  
during sleep was repeated thousands of times during the night.  If  
the rat was interrupted during sleep, then the rat 'forgot' how to  
solve the maze and had to relearn it the next day.  Note to parents  
of teenagers: Get them to bed, and keep them from listening to the  
radio or TV while sleeping!  Dr. Medina also discussed some  
interesting sleep disorders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Fatal_familial_insomnia).

Dr. Medina also described experiments where math problems were  
presented to study participants.  60% of those who were allowed to  
'sleep on it' came up with alternative creative solutions, compared  
to 20% of those who had to complete the task without a sleep  
interval.  He reported that effective problem solving decreased by  
110% if you go into sleep debt.

Finally, he made the point that events can be tagged by emotions and  
thus remembered better.  These 'post-it-notes' help reinforce ones'  
memories.  Therefore, memory and problem solving skills (i.e.  
software testing) are deeply influenced by ones' experiences and biases.

Enjoy, and y'all come to the next QASIG, too!

Grace Hensley
Geospiza, Inc.
methylgrace at yahoo.com






> From:	"Michael R. Wolf" <MichaelRWolf at att.net>
> To:	spug-list at pm.org, "SASAG Members" <members at lists.sasag.org>
> Date:	Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:09:23 -0800
> Subject:	SPUG: OT - Interesting QA meeting on problem solving
>
> Plain Text Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
>
> The WSA QA SIG (sponored by Quardev) is having a
>  meeting this Wednesday on
> problem solving.  It looks interesting. (See
> http://www.quardev.com/events/january_qasig_meeting).
>
>    At our January meeting we welcome John Medina
>  PhD, Director, Brain Center
>    for Applied Learning, Seattle Pacific
>  University. Dr. Medina's talk,
>    titled The Strange World of Problem Solving,
>  discusses what scientists
>    have learned about the brain and some of the
>  things to try to bring
>    learning environments into 21st century.
>
> The speaker sounds interesting (see video clips),
>  and he's got a book coming
> out soon, that integrates a CD, the web, and the
>  book.  His (multi-)media is
> his message, or at least his multi-media
>  publishing model is supported by
> his research as he conveys his message.
>
> http://brainrules.net/
>
> I wish I could attend.  Please report back if you
>  go.
>
>
> -- 
> Michael R. Wolf
>     All mammals learn by playing!
>         MichaelRWolf at att.net



From MichaelRWolf at att.net  Mon Feb  4 12:57:00 2008
From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:57:00 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Choose the right template system for your team
Message-ID: <002201c86770$84da8290$640010ac@mlaptop>

I haven't completed (err, started) getting the last month's "Framework"
tapes up on the net.

In the mean time, the Perl.com Newsletter
(http://perl.com/newsletters/020108-perl-news.html) has an article that
covers part of what we covered last month
(http://www.webquills.net/scroll/2008/01/choose-the-right-template-syst.html
).


-- 
Michael R. Wolf
    All mammals learn by playing!
        MichaelRWolf at att.net



From cmeyer at helvella.org  Wed Feb  6 15:37:46 2008
From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:37:46 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 19 February 2008
Message-ID: <20080206233746.GC1536@infula.helvella.org>

    February 2008 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting
    ====================================================

    Topic: DBI - Using Relational Databases from Perl
    Speaker: Colin Meyer
    Meeting Date: Tuesday, 19 February 2008
    Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m.
    Location: Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps 

    Cost: Admission is free and open to the public
    Info: http://seattleperl.org/

    ====================================================

This coming Tuesday, February 19th, is the next meeting of the THE SEATTLE
PERL USERS GROUP.  

Do you fear the void, the great undefined value, the null? If so, you
can relate to SPUG's fears for this month. As of one week ago, THERE
WAS NO ONE SCHEDULED TO GIVE A TALK! Gryphon managed to shanghai me
into presenting at the last minute. Please help us avoid this
situation. You've been thinking of giving a talk: what your company is
doing with Perl, or some neat little thing that you've worked on, or a
discussion of coding styles and the one correct way to write Perl
programs. Please, folks, hesitate no longer. Schedule yourself for a
talk. We are an easy going group and giving a talk at SPUG is a great
introduction to public speaking. You don't need to be a Perl guru, you
just need to enjoy the language.

Anyway. This month I'll be talking about the Perl Database Interface,
DBI.pm. This is a moderate level talk, based on a class that I wrote
and used to teach for Consultix, Inc. We'll talk about what
relational databases are, and how to make use of them through Perl, a
very handy skill.

================

Thanks again to all the SPUG members that show up at meetings or
participate on the list to make the group worthwhile in the first place,
and all the JAPHs out there for just being.

Meeting Location
================

February's meeting space is provided by Bryan Lhuillier of shiftboard.com.

  Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps:

  - The Harbor Steps is located at 1st & University Ave in Seattle.
  - Parking available on the street or in Western Ave lots.
  - The Terrace Room is located on the 6th Floor of the S.W. Building.
  - Enter the SW Building directly at 1200 Western Ave or use the Main
    Entrance (SE Building) located on 1st Avenue (next to Ipanema Grill)
    across from SAM.
  - We will post signs and/or people at both entrances, and you can also
    ask the concierge (or anybody else) for spot directions to the
    Terrace Room.
  - If you get lost, you can call Bryan's mobile phone - 206 427 6436

See you there! 

From FedraY at parkerservices.com  Wed Feb  6 15:49:52 2008
From: FedraY at parkerservices.com (Fedra Y. Yazdi)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:49:52 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 19 February 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080206233746.GC1536@infula.helvella.org>
Message-ID: <BB81C72F2EC6AB498C8B5F064CD2EFB8C795D8@rogue.ParkerSvs.com>


Are we meeting for drinks first? Or straight to the Steps?


-----Original Message-----
From: spug-list-bounces+fedray=parkerservices.com at pm.org
[mailto:spug-list-bounces+fedray=parkerservices.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Colin Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:38 PM
To: spug-list at mail.pm.org
Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 19 February 2008

    February 2008 Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Meeting
    ====================================================

    Topic: DBI - Using Relational Databases from Perl
    Speaker: Colin Meyer
    Meeting Date: Tuesday, 19 February 2008
    Meeting Time: 6:30 - 8:30 p.m.
    Location: Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps 

    Cost: Admission is free and open to the public
    Info: http://seattleperl.org/

    ====================================================

This coming Tuesday, February 19th, is the next meeting of the THE
SEATTLE
PERL USERS GROUP.  

Do you fear the void, the great undefined value, the null? If so, you
can relate to SPUG's fears for this month. As of one week ago, THERE
WAS NO ONE SCHEDULED TO GIVE A TALK! Gryphon managed to shanghai me
into presenting at the last minute. Please help us avoid this
situation. You've been thinking of giving a talk: what your company is
doing with Perl, or some neat little thing that you've worked on, or a
discussion of coding styles and the one correct way to write Perl
programs. Please, folks, hesitate no longer. Schedule yourself for a
talk. We are an easy going group and giving a talk at SPUG is a great
introduction to public speaking. You don't need to be a Perl guru, you
just need to enjoy the language.

Anyway. This month I'll be talking about the Perl Database Interface,
DBI.pm. This is a moderate level talk, based on a class that I wrote
and used to teach for Consultix, Inc. We'll talk about what
relational databases are, and how to make use of them through Perl, a
very handy skill.

================

Thanks again to all the SPUG members that show up at meetings or
participate on the list to make the group worthwhile in the first place,
and all the JAPHs out there for just being.

Meeting Location
================

February's meeting space is provided by Bryan Lhuillier of
shiftboard.com.

  Terrace Room at The Harbor Steps:

  - The Harbor Steps is located at 1st & University Ave in Seattle.
  - Parking available on the street or in Western Ave lots.
  - The Terrace Room is located on the 6th Floor of the S.W. Building.
  - Enter the SW Building directly at 1200 Western Ave or use the Main
    Entrance (SE Building) located on 1st Avenue (next to Ipanema Grill)
    across from SAM.
  - We will post signs and/or people at both entrances, and you can also
    ask the concierge (or anybody else) for spot directions to the
    Terrace Room.
  - If you get lost, you can call Bryan's mobile phone - 206 427 6436

See you there! 
_____________________________________________________________
Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List  
     POST TO: spug-list at pm.org
SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list
    MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays
    WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/

From cmeyer at helvella.org  Wed Feb  6 15:55:15 2008
From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:55:15 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 19 February 2008
In-Reply-To: <BB81C72F2EC6AB498C8B5F064CD2EFB8C795D8@rogue.ParkerSvs.com>
References: <20080206233746.GC1536@infula.helvella.org>
	<BB81C72F2EC6AB498C8B5F064CD2EFB8C795D8@rogue.ParkerSvs.com>
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On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 03:49:52PM -0800, Fedra Y. Yazdi wrote:
> 
> Are we meeting for drinks first? Or straight to the Steps?

It seems like the default place for a drink before the meeting
is the Pike Place Brew Pub. I suggest that anyone so inclined
get together there at 5PM.

-Colin.

* http://www.pikebrewing.com/


From jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org  Thu Feb  7 10:38:48 2008
From: jobs-noreply at seattleperl.org (SPUG Jobs)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:38:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: JOB: Perl dev, Park City, Utah, Backcountry.com
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802071038080.14883-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Based in Park City, Utah, Backcountry.com is a growing dot com that
embraces open source. We operate six e-commerce sites on Perl, PostreSQL
and Red Hat. Additionally, our warehouse management, merchandising,
marketing and customer solutions tools follow the same mold. Our
development staff is at 15 right now and we're looking to grow the team by
30-50% this year.

Backcountry.com is a high growth company and a great opportunity lives
here.

 - contract or permanent position: either
 - for contracts, expected duration and pay range: 3 months to 1 year,
   pay based on experience
 - for permanent positions, availability of stock options or other
   incentive plans: profit sharing
 - Direct placement with company
 - Either W-2 or 1099 status is acceptable
 - No 1099 restrictions
 - Located in Park City, UT
 - We'd like permanent to relocate but the right individual could change
   that. Temporary could work remotely after an initial visit.
 - E-commerce - Niche outdoor gear

For more information about the company, please see:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backcountry.com

We'll be posting more positions shortly for junior, mid-level, and senior
developer positions shortly. Between now and then, please send me your
resume directly if you don't fit a profile on our site. We're looking for
OO Perl, AJAX and strong framework experience. We've currently built our
own custom Perl framework that's based on Ruby. We're using RoseDB as
well. 

Our culture is unique. We're a bunch of outdoor freaks. It's casual dress
and we have powder mornings. Work is flexible and the people rock. We have
PhD dropouts, Mechanical Engineers, Psychology majors and high school
grads killing it for us. We love them all.

To apply to the position above, please go to:

  http://www.backcountrycorp.com/corporate/section/2/jobs.html?job_cat=tech



From cmeyer at helvella.org  Mon Feb 11 09:10:29 2008
From: cmeyer at helvella.org (Colin Meyer)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:10:29 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Meeting Announcement -- 19 February 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080206233746.GC1536@infula.helvella.org>
References: <20080206233746.GC1536@infula.helvella.org>
Message-ID: <20080211171029.GB32305@infula.helvella.org>

On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 03:37:46PM -0800, Colin Meyer wrote:
>
> This coming Tuesday, February 19th, is the next meeting of the THE SEATTLE
> PERL USERS GROUP.  

Er, I didn't mean this coming Tuesday tomorrow. The SPUG meeting is a week from
tomorrow, on the 19th. 

See you in a week,
-Colin.

From m3047 at inwa.net  Mon Feb 18 14:52:35 2008
From: m3047 at inwa.net (Fred Morris)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:52:35 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Ann: SnakeStation 1.0 (Python)
Message-ID: <200802181452.35972.m3047@inwa.net>

I'm not so grandiose as to call this a framework; I'd call it a pumpstation 
toolkit for internet plumbers who need to munge web services. There are too 
many things it "should have" to list them all here. However, it was the basis 
of this: http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucusfinder and served around 290,000 
customers in under a month.

Simple is good.

http://www.inwa.net/~m3047/snakestation.html

--

Fred Morris, chief internet plumber, Fred Morris Consulting
http://www.inwa.net/~m3047/data-services.html


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 10:56:41 2008
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry.gay at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:56:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: SPUG: Your friend wants you to know about World Community Grid!
Message-ID: <246318021.1203620337014.JavaMail.wasadmin@wcgpds013>

spug,

i've been donating spare cpu cycles for almost ten years for various causes including aids, anthrax, and cancer cures. feel free to join the spug team if you can spare the electricity and want to contribute.

Please join me in helping solve some of humanity's most significant problems - cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, prepare for natural disasters and reduce hunger.  It's easy, safe and free - and all it takes is your computer and less than 10 minutes of your time!

I participate in World Community Grid, where I donate idle time on my computer to nonprofit research projects.  Today, hundreds of thousand of volunteers around the globe are donating processing time when their computers are on but not in use.  World Community Grid is using this computing power to conduct research on promising humanitarian projects, reducing research time from years to months.  As more and more individuals donate the unused capacity of their computers, World Community Grid will be able to complete more critical research.

You can be part of this exciting work!  Become a member of World Community Grid TODAY.  To learn more and join, go to World Community Grid's web site at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org and download a small software program onto your computer.  There's no simpler way to help change our world for the better.

Thank you and see you on World Community Grid!,

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From MichaelRWolf at att.net  Thu Feb 21 11:39:42 2008
From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:39:42 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Microsoft says it will share info about technology;
	EU skeptical
Message-ID: <01d501c874c1$87ef5ba0$650010ac@mlaptop>

A "Breaking News" article from The Seattle Times as reported by The
Associated Press.


Anyone out there think that open (for some definition of "open") is a good
thing for applications?

Anyone out there think that Microsoft believes it?



Keywords: Microsoft, open connections, skepticism, EU antitrust

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004193555_webmsfts
hare21.html


-- 
Michael R. Wolf
    All mammals learn by playing!
        MichaelRWolf at att.net



From andrew at sweger.net  Thu Feb 28 18:33:33 2008
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:33:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: Presentation wanted: CPAN-Tester
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802281815320.13594-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Although I heard a rumor that our March meeting presentation is already
selected, I wanted to reach out and make a personal request for a SPUG
presentation. I would really love a presentation on how to be a
CPAN-Tester (like setting up a "clean room" or sandbox to perform nearly
automated testing of newly release distributions).

I would love to leave a machine or two burning through new CPAN uploads
feeding results back. I just made my first CPAN contribution recently and
was bowled over by the quality and diversity of the test reports. I'd
prefer to contribute to this instead of giving CPU cycles to searching for
extra terrestrials, cracking ciphers, or folding proteins.

And, if I can share my ignorance without being laughed at too much, I
would love a little hand-holding introduction to Perlmonks. How do I make
it useful to me without spending a lot of time on the site (I'm still
trying to kick my Slashdot addiction).

-- 
Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several
                                things can go wrong at once.


From MichaelRWolf at att.net  Fri Feb 29 10:51:03 2008
From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:51:03 -0800
Subject: SPUG: Presentation wanted: CPAN-Tester
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802281815320.13594-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802281815320.13594-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>
Message-ID: <00ba01c87b04$0a12f7c0$660010ac@mlaptop>

If you won't laugh at me, either, I'll join you in requesting some PerlMonk
insights from a PerlMonk insider.

Even after over a decade in Perl, I've never climbed over the barriers to
entry.  I'll read a posting someone references (like this one
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=668481 recently on perltrainers), but I
don't start out at perlmonks.org


And for my $0.02:

I could even see this kind of information being done in an UN-conference
style.  We could seed the meeting with some "Perl culture" issues (e.g.
PerlMonks, CPAN Testing, CPANTS, Strawberry Perl, ....) then let it devolve
to a series of lightening flash mobs, peer-to-peer, pair-wise style instead
of talking-head style.  Having it seeded by "real problems" (e.g. how to
evaluate the various SOAP modules, or how to game the CPANTS system) from
the audience could show a good flow through the various arenas.


-- 
Michael R. Wolf
    All mammals learn by playing!
        MichaelRWolf at att.net



From andrew at sweger.net  Fri Feb 29 15:46:19 2008
From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0802291544170.13594-100000@gandalf.addnorya.net>

Forwarding to SPUG on behalf of Uri Guttman. My apologies if this is your
third (or morth) viewing of this message.

What is the Perl College?

	The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job
	fairs. Here are its primary goals:

	* Provide free top quality training to qualified
	  junior level Perl developers
	* Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level
	* Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies
	* http://perlhunter.com/college.html

	The Perl College was created to address these issues in
	recruiting Perl coders:

	* A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers
	* A surplus of junior level Perl developers
	* Some are not developing Perl full time
	* Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get
	  needed training and experience
	* Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers

	We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this
	unique education/recruitment opportunity.

Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap!

	Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find
	and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl
	College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by
	pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated
	students. Then we take it one step further. We take those
	already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid
	intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost
	effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for
	your Perl recruitment needs?

Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition.

	If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian
	Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who
	are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers.
	Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot
	forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty
	most qualified students.

For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a
sponsor or a student go to these pages:

	http://perlhunter.com/college.html
	http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html
	http://perlhunter.com/students.html

Thanks,

Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College

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