SPUG:YAPC Wiki Site

[Brian Ingerson]

On 15/06/03 01:38 -0700, William Julien wrote:
> <zap>
> >
> >So, I'd prefer that we do *nog* explore Wiki for a *replacement* of
> >this discussion. But if Wiki could be a *mirror* of this by using a
> >SMTP or NNTP gateway, that would be better -- Add folks who perfer
> >Wiki, without cutting off folks who don't. (That seems to be how many
> >of the perl.org groups are. I read 'em with NNTP, but many folks read
> >them with HTTP.)
> >
> >End rant,
> >Michael Wolf
> 
> I would agree that a wiki would not be a replacement of this mail
> list but I think would be a valuable enhacement. A person with
> a particular problem can post their code to the wiki and foster
> colabrative enhancement. Modern wiki's have full revision control and
> very powerful search capabilities. We use a wiki at work to provide
> a place for everyone to put all their bits of postit notes, scraps of
> email, unwritten knowlege, tips, techniques, diagrams, and howtos.
> 
> The original wiki was a product of an extreme programming project by Ward
> Cunnimham of www.c2.com. I tried the code available from c2.com and I
> found it very limiting. Instead I used a "patched" version of "UseModWiki"
> called NeuroWiki. See http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PatchedScripts

FWIW, Ward and I are considering collaborating an a project to
reimplement his Wiki using the kwiki framework. It would work exactly as
it currently does, but would be oh so much more extendable. And it would
be available on CPAN.

Cheers, Brian

> I have setup my domain to be a wiki. See http:/www.catmanor.com
> The page is dedicated to poems by T. S. Eloit. If you have any
> poetry of you own, I encourage you to contribute.
> 
> Wiki's are not necesssary linear like smtp or threaded like nntp. Any
> page can reference any other page. In usemod, a click on the page name
> will provide a reference to the page and all other pages that reference it.
> 
> >
> >P.S. I know my reply wasn't in direct response to the original post.
> >It just triggered somethin for me. For instance, I do *NOT* read the
> >newly created MOSS Wiki, but I *do* read email from the list. Call me
> >lazy, but it cuts me out from a portion of what's going on in that
> >community. Perhaps the net gain is better than the net loss, a
> >decision all communities or groups must make, but at some basic level,
> >I don't get Wiki. It seems to require that all posters be mini
> >WYSIWYG-webmasters-in-training and all that readers must continually
> >re-read content to discover what's changed. All seems like a waste of
> >human time for what computers do better.
> 
> On one click on "recent changes" you can get a list of all the wiki
> pages that have been modified. You can do revision comparisons.
> 
> >
> >P.P.S. I guess I've asked for it indirectly, so I'll ask dirctly --
> >Could someone clue me in on why Wiki is better than listserv, email
> >lists, news, SMTP, and NNTP, all of which are directed to my favorite,
> >familiar news/email readers (which I won't share the name of, because
> >it's not relevant to my argument -- lots of folks could substitute
> >their favorite news/email reader and make the same point).
> >
> >An inquiring (underinformed) mind wants to know....
> 
> I think the value is that of cooperative development with full version
> control. I can post some code and anyone can enhance it. Unlike mail
> and usenet, the lastest version is in one place. It is easy to perform
> diffs of previous versions to see what has changed. Try that with nntp.
> 
> >
> >Yes, I have to admit my ignorance in order to satisfy my curiosity!
> 
> Since the original wiki developed by Ward Cunninham, there have been
> over 200 versions implemented in many languages. It is a big place
> to explore and learn. 
> 
>    William Julien           _,'|            _.-''``-...___..--';
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> >
> >-- 
> >Michael R. Wolf
> >    All mammals learn by playing!
> >        MichaelRunningWolf at att.net
> >
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