From tim at retout.co.uk Mon Jun 3 00:06:50 2013 From: tim at retout.co.uk (Tim Retout) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday for more discussion of Perl. Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) But I also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... Hope to see you all there! -- Tim Retout -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at binary.co.uk Mon Jun 3 07:17:08 2013 From: merlyn at binary.co.uk (Merlyn Kline) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:17:08 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3 June 2013 08:06, Tim Retout wrote: > It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday > for more discussion of Perl. > Looks like I won't be up that way again :( Maybe next time. > Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) > Ah now there's a task for a dedicated programmer :) My experience so far seems to have matched many other programming projects: early development went well but as complexity has grown, insidious bugs have crept in leading to unexpected and undesirable behaviour. The somewhat laissez-faire approach of the outsourced developers that we got involved in more recent stages has made things worse in many respects. We haven't reached the release deadline yet so there's still hope but we are adjusting expectations to be on the safe-side. Merlyn Hope to see you all there! > > -- > Tim Retout > > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lw at judocoach.com Mon Jun 3 07:44:28 2013 From: lw at judocoach.com (Lance Wicks) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:44:28 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hopefully I'll be there this time. :-)? ----- Original Message ----- From: southampton-pm at pm.org To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:06:50 +0100 Subject:[Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm Hi all, It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday for more discussion of Perl. Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) But I also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... Hope to see you all there! -- Tim Retout Links: ------ [1] mailto:tim at retout.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.garland at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 3 13:53:13 2013 From: duncan.garland at ntlworld.com (GARLAND DUNCAN) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:53:13 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll be there. Before the last one I posted some stuff in our Google Community about going into Portsmouth University to talk to their computer club. Nobody replied. Shall I forget about it? On 3 June 2013 15:44, Lance Wicks wrote: > Hopefully I'll be there this time. :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > southampton-pm at pm.org > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: > Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:06:50 +0100 > Subject: > [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm > > > > Hi all, > > It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday > for more discussion of Perl > > Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) But I > also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... > > Hope to see you all there! > > -- > Tim Retout > > > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at retout.co.uk Mon Jun 3 15:01:45 2013 From: tim at retout.co.uk (Tim Retout) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think if we are going to have a meeting at a university, we need to be clear as to the reasons, and what we are looking to achieve. I do like the argument around drumming up more graduate applicants for Perl jobs, but I don't think any students are likely to commute to our meetings from Portsmouth once a month, so I think it will be hard for us to offer support to any interested students. If it were Southampton University, it might be different, but I know you had trouble getting in touch with anyone there. As I recall, student societies tend to go quiet in the summer ('cos it's either exam time or holidays). September/October might be the best time to go into a university, when all the gullible freshers are still keen. But we would need to make the student contacts ahead of time to get this organized. On 3 June 2013 21:53, GARLAND DUNCAN wrote: > I'll be there. > > Before the last one I posted some stuff in our Google Community about going > into Portsmouth University to talk to their computer club. Nobody replied. > Shall I forget about it? > > > On 3 June 2013 15:44, Lance Wicks wrote: >> >> Hopefully I'll be there this time. :-) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> southampton-pm at pm.org >> >> To: >> >> Cc: >> >> Sent: >> Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:06:50 +0100 >> Subject: >> [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday >> for more discussion of Perl >> >> Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) But I >> also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... >> >> Hope to see you all there! >> >> -- >> Tim Retout >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Southampton-pm mailing list >> Southampton-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm -- Tim Retout From ichaudhry at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 15:26:03 2013 From: ichaudhry at gmail.com (Imran Chaudhry) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:26:03 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I should be there. -- Sent from phone. Please excuse typos and brevity. On Jun 3, 2013 8:06 AM, "Tim Retout" wrote: > Hi all, > > It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday > for more discussion of Perl. > > Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) But I > also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... > > Hope to see you all there! > > -- > Tim Retout > > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.garland at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 4 02:43:16 2013 From: duncan.garland at ntlworld.com (Duncan Garland) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:43:16 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ba01ce6107$f04df7f0$d0e9e7d0$@ntlworld.com> Hi Tim, I didn't try Southampton University, you were going to do that one. It took me several attempts to get in contact with Portsmouth University because the IT people wouldn't return my calls or answer my emails. I eventually succeeded when I went in via the careers department and they got Dr Scott to contact me. The proposal has always been to go there in the autumn. That's what Dr Scott suggested and that's what I put in the post. What we need to do now is to decide whether we really want to do something and what it should be. Dr Scott's email offers says they would like to hear about "any gaps in our curriculum" and offers the opportunity to "present to one of our staff meetings to set out your concerns". I don't have the skills to do that. I can't start telling a university where they are going wrong. I'd look a fool. That's why I suggested doing something more informal. Just get somebody to stump up some sponsorship for beer and sandwiches and go in and meet some of the students. Find out the lie of the land, perhaps not even do a presentation the first time. Just take in a couple of laptops in case somebody wants to demonstrate something. I don't think supporting any students will be a problem. That can be done over the internet. The objective will be to drum up interest in Perl or to establish that it can't be done. I would like to telephone Dr Scott in the next few weeks with some feedback. I can't do that at the moment because I don't know who I represent. I told him I represented a group of a dozen Perl professionals called Southampton PM. That might not be true, perhaps I just represent myself. All the best. Duncan -----Original Message----- From: Southampton-pm [mailto:southampton-pm-bounces+duncan.garland=ntlworld.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Tim Retout Sent: 03 June 2013 23:02 To: southampton-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm I think if we are going to have a meeting at a university, we need to be clear as to the reasons, and what we are looking to achieve. I do like the argument around drumming up more graduate applicants for Perl jobs, but I don't think any students are likely to commute to our meetings from Portsmouth once a month, so I think it will be hard for us to offer support to any interested students. If it were Southampton University, it might be different, but I know you had trouble getting in touch with anyone there. As I recall, student societies tend to go quiet in the summer ('cos it's either exam time or holidays). September/October might be the best time to go into a university, when all the gullible freshers are still keen. But we would need to make the student contacts ahead of time to get this organized. On 3 June 2013 21:53, GARLAND DUNCAN wrote: > I'll be there. > > Before the last one I posted some stuff in our Google Community about > going into Portsmouth University to talk to their computer club. Nobody replied. > Shall I forget about it? > > > On 3 June 2013 15:44, Lance Wicks wrote: >> >> Hopefully I'll be there this time. :-) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> southampton-pm at pm.org >> >> To: >> >> Cc: >> >> Sent: >> Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:06:50 +0100 >> Subject: >> [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on >> Wednesday for more discussion of Perl >> >> Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) >> But I also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... >> >> Hope to see you all there! >> >> -- >> Tim Retout >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Southampton-pm mailing list >> Southampton-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm -- Tim Retout _______________________________________________ Southampton-pm mailing list Southampton-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm From w at rren.co.uk Tue Jun 4 04:34:58 2013 From: w at rren.co.uk (Warren Humphreys) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:34:58 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: <00ba01ce6107$f04df7f0$d0e9e7d0$@ntlworld.com> References: <00ba01ce6107$f04df7f0$d0e9e7d0$@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <5544356F-FA61-473B-BF1D-9AE5953FF31C@rren.co.uk> Me too I won't got into the details here, but ask me about both Southampton and Portsmouth Uni on Wednesday - I might have a couple of very useful contacts. Warren On 4 Jun 2013, at 10:43, "Duncan Garland" wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I didn't try Southampton University, you were going to do that one. It took > me several attempts to get in contact with Portsmouth University because the > IT people wouldn't return my calls or answer my emails. I eventually > succeeded when I went in via the careers department and they got Dr Scott to > contact me. > > The proposal has always been to go there in the autumn. That's what Dr Scott > suggested and that's what I put in the post. What we need to do now is to > decide whether we really want to do something and what it should be. > > Dr Scott's email offers says they would like to hear about "any gaps in our > curriculum" and offers the opportunity to "present to one of our staff > meetings to set out your concerns". I don't have the skills to do that. I > can't start telling a university where they are going wrong. I'd look a > fool. > > That's why I suggested doing something more informal. Just get somebody to > stump up some sponsorship for beer and sandwiches and go in and meet some of > the students. Find out the lie of the land, perhaps not even do a > presentation the first time. Just take in a couple of laptops in case > somebody wants to demonstrate something. > > I don't think supporting any students will be a problem. That can be done > over the internet. > > The objective will be to drum up interest in Perl or to establish that it > can't be done. > > I would like to telephone Dr Scott in the next few weeks with some feedback. > I can't do that at the moment because I don't know who I represent. I told > him I represented a group of a dozen Perl professionals called Southampton > PM. That might not be true, perhaps I just represent myself. > > All the best. > > Duncan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Southampton-pm > [mailto:southampton-pm-bounces+duncan.garland=ntlworld.com at pm.org] On Behalf > Of Tim Retout > Sent: 03 June 2013 23:02 > To: southampton-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm > > I think if we are going to have a meeting at a university, we need to be > clear as to the reasons, and what we are looking to achieve. > > I do like the argument around drumming up more graduate applicants for Perl > jobs, but I don't think any students are likely to commute to our meetings > from Portsmouth once a month, so I think it will be hard for us to offer > support to any interested students. If it were Southampton University, it > might be different, but I know you had trouble getting in touch with anyone > there. > > As I recall, student societies tend to go quiet in the summer ('cos it's > either exam time or holidays). September/October might be the best time to > go into a university, when all the gullible freshers are still keen. But we > would need to make the student contacts ahead of time to get this organized. > > > On 3 June 2013 21:53, GARLAND DUNCAN wrote: >> I'll be there. >> >> Before the last one I posted some stuff in our Google Community about >> going into Portsmouth University to talk to their computer club. Nobody > replied. >> Shall I forget about it? >> >> >> On 3 June 2013 15:44, Lance Wicks wrote: >>> >>> Hopefully I'll be there this time. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> southampton-pm at pm.org >>> >>> To: >>> >>> Cc: >>> >>> Sent: >>> Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:06:50 +0100 >>> Subject: >>> [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on >>> Wednesday for more discussion of Perl >>> >>> Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) >>> But I also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting > things... >>> >>> Hope to see you all there! >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Retout >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Southampton-pm mailing list >>> Southampton-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Southampton-pm mailing list >> Southampton-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > > > > -- > Tim Retout > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Southampton-pm mailing list > Southampton-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm From ichaudhry at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 07:43:43 2013 From: ichaudhry at gmail.com (Imran Chaudhry) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:43:43 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Perl Mongers, Wednesday, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like I can't attend as it clashes with the missus "friends movie night" and I have to take care of the child. :-( Tim- friendly note about my GPG key signage. Duncan - I know folks at both Universities, if you need any specific contacts in specific departments then let me know. Have fun! On 3 June 2013 23:26, Imran Chaudhry wrote: > I should be there. > > -- > Sent from phone. Please excuse typos and brevity. > > On Jun 3, 2013 8:06 AM, "Tim Retout" wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> It's that time again! We'll be meeting at the Platform Tavern on Wednesday >> for more discussion of Perl. >> >> Lately I've been working on looking after my super-cute daughter. :) But I >> also went to OpenTech in London, and saw some quite interesting things... >> >> Hope to see you all there! >> >> -- >> Tim Retout >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Southampton-pm mailing list >> Southampton-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/southampton-pm -- Key fingerprint = EF78 310C C517 9564 9ECA 82F6 68FA E621 17E1 5D16 http://about.me/imranchaudhry From tim at retout.co.uk Wed Jun 5 13:54:26 2013 From: tim at retout.co.uk (Tim Retout) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 21:54:26 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Southampton Open Data hack around day - Wed 26th June Message-ID: Thought some of you might be interested in this event coming up at Southampton University: http://blog.soton.ac.uk/data/2013/05/22/open-data-hack-around-day/ -- Tim Retout From daveh at hodgkinson.org Wed Jun 5 14:39:48 2013 From: daveh at hodgkinson.org (Dave Hodgkinson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:39:48 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Southampton Open Data hack around day - Wed 26th June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5 Jun 2013, at 21:54, Tim Retout wrote: > Thought some of you might be interested in this event coming up at > Southampton University: > > http://blog.soton.ac.uk/data/2013/05/22/open-data-hack-around-day/ I'd live to know how many perlmongers turn out to this. I'm usually the only perlmonger in the village. From tim at retout.co.uk Thu Jun 13 00:35:24 2013 From: tim at retout.co.uk (Tim Retout) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:35:24 +0100 Subject: [Southampton-pm] Jobs + free beer Message-ID: Hi all, Apparently London.pm has a rule that you can email jobs to the mailing list if you are actually a member, but jobs from recruiters are not so welcome. This sounds like a good rule to me. With that in mind, CV-Library has several Perl developer roles it wants to fill - and hiring is really difficult, especially at senior/intermediate level. First, we are based right next to the station in Fleet, which makes it commutable from Southampton in ~60 minutes by train. We have a fairly large Perl codebase which we are cleaning up and adding features to. We are not afraid of CPAN modules, and use a fair amount of Moose, for example. Other cool technologies include Solr (for searching). I promise it's interesting! Sysadmin and Design are separate roles, which lets the development team focus on coding. We follow a reasonably traditional Scrum process. Plus you get to work with me. :) At the last Soton.pm meeting CV-Library generously paid for a round of drinks, and beer is cheap compared to recruiter fees. So they'll probably do that again for the next meeting. If you want to know more about the roles, come and talk to me! (Or email.) Also, if you know anyone else who would be suitable... well, why aren't they subscribed to this list already? Tell them about the free beer. -- Tim Retout -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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